Ardokian RP Planning Tread [OOC | Semi-Open | PT/MT/PMT?]

[New Aeyariss]

I did not intend for the RP to go this way. I already had a plan and an outline of a plot.

However since Quirinia made me turn President Sloane into a spy - I have had to improvise and change the story radically. I wasn't really happy with my last post as it is very disjointed and looks shoddy - I'm also lost as I have to create an entire new plot outline as I go along (I don't even know what is going to be happening in my next post) - So eventually I might be able to salvage it when I can think of how I can change the plot.

So yes, I've had to change a lot of things; otherwise President Sloane being a sleeper agent would not make sense. I originally envisioned him as a pro-independence politician, and created his country like that (he would obviously have created a country hostile to the UASR). However since he is now an agent of influence, I've had to change the circumstances of the country (he would obviously mould the country to be supportive of the UASR now).

1) That is something wrong? We made this RP so we can write it together, not just you alone ? This is our RP, that belongs to us all.

2) President Solane himself stated that he won on anti - Ardokian, pro - conservative platform. Now, in a second, he turned into lover of Ardoki. If majority of society backed up those ideas and Solane just within a second turned from anti - Ardoki to pro - Ardoki, do you really think they would back him up? More reasonably they would, even without whispers of IFC/SACTO intelligences, turn away from him and oppose him.

Perhaps best idea is not to change at all?

[Ardoki]

I did not intend for the RP to go this way. I already had a plan and an outline of a plot.

However since Quirinia made me turn President Sloane into a spy - I have had to improvise and change the story radically. I wasn't really happy with my last post as it is very disjointed and looks shoddy - I'm also lost as I have to create an entire new plot outline as I go along (I don't even know what is going to be happening in my next post) - So eventually I might be able to salvage it when I can think of how I can change the plot.

So yes, I've had to change a lot of things; otherwise President Sloane being a sleeper agent would not make sense. I originally envisioned him as a pro-independence politician, and created his country like that (he would obviously have created a country hostile to the UASR). However since he is now an agent of influence, I've had to change the circumstances of the country (he would obviously mould the country to be supportive of the UASR now).

1) That is something wrong? We made this RP so we can write it together, not just you alone ? This is our RP, that belongs to us all.

2) President Solane himself stated that he won on anti - Ardokian, pro - conservative platform. Now, in a second, he turned into lover of Ardoki. If majority of society backed up those ideas and Solane just within a second turned from anti - Ardoki to pro - Ardoki, do you really think they would back him up? More reasonably they would, even without whispers of IFC/SACTO intelligences, turn away from him and oppose him.

Perhaps best idea is not to change at all?

1) I'm not sure what part you are referring to exactly. However do remember that I am practically standing alone against two entire alliances as the defender, not complaining, however do remember that I'm at a great disadvantage either way.

2) I've already stated numerous times that the reason my posts contradict is because I did not originally intend for Sloane to be a spy. However since Quirinia started spreading all those lies, and a lot of people (including you) started believing him, I just had to go along with it even though I would have to change almost everything.

[New Aeyariss]

1) I'm not sure what part you are referring to exactly. However do remember that I am practically standing alone against two entire alliances as the defender, not complaining, however do remember that I'm at a great disadvantage either way.

I was speaking about you having "plans" for this RP. Murphy's law says that no plan will survive first contact with reality, so...

2) I've already stated numerous times that the reason my posts contradict is because I did not originally intend for Sloane to be a spy. However since Quirinia started spreading all those lies, and a lot of people (including you) started believing him, I just had to go along with it even though I would have to change almost everything.

And how does the fact that somebody spreads propaganda about some politician even matter?

In fact, I did not called him Ardokian agent until said point (though I called him a coward, yeah).

Some people say that truth is fist causality of war. I totally agree. With no offence, did you expect that we will see said conflict from your PoV and that we will think of everything the same as you do? Quirina did what every army does; spread propaganda, which is integral part of war. Which is obvious, since Qui is attempting to spread HIS worldveiw - which does not has to have anything in common with reality at all, but it will not stop people from accepting him.

If Nihonese trolls launched PSYOP in the internet, which would consist of them entering "Riona O`Brien is a whore" in Google until it becomes first result after searching her name - would you thus make Ms. O`Brien really a prostitute?

Not to mention that changing ENTIRE RP's consistency when it is on, without even asking any other RPed involved is massive Godmod - by saying massive, I mean massive.

[Ardoki]

1) I'm not sure what part you are referring to exactly. However do remember that I am practically standing alone against two entire alliances as the defender, not complaining, however do remember that I'm at a great disadvantage either way.

I was speaking about you having "plans" for this RP. Murphy's law says that no plan will survive first contact with reality, so...

2) I've already stated numerous times that the reason my posts contradict is because I did not originally intend for Sloane to be a spy. However since Quirinia started spreading all those lies, and a lot of people (including you) started believing him, I just had to go along with it even though I would have to change almost everything.

And how does the fact that somebody spreads propaganda about some politician even matter?

In fact, I did not called him Ardokian agent until said point (though I called him a coward, yeah).

Some people say that truth is fist causality of war. I totally agree. With no offence, did you expect that we will see said conflict from your PoV and that we will think of everything the same as you do? Quirina did what every army does; spread propaganda, which is integral part of war. Which is obvious, since Qui is attempting to spread HIS worldveiw - which does not has to have anything in common with reality at all, but it will not stop people from accepting him.

If Nihonese trolls launched PSYOP in the internet, which would consist of them entering "Riona O`Brien is a whore" in Google until it becomes first result after searching her name - would you thus make Ms. O`Brien really a prostitute?

Not to mention that changing ENTIRE RP's consistency when it is on, without even asking any other RPed involved is massive Godmod - by saying massive, I mean massive.

Okay.

I'll change it to something different then.

I'll let you all decide what amongst yourselves.

[New Aeyariss]

I to be honest say no change and we simply keep all that was before:

1) Majority of Islanders are against Ardoki (70% against to 20% for as we agreed).

2) President is Ardokian spy.

3) Islands are 1000km from Ardoki

4) Resistance is present on two occupied islands and is engaged in heavy battles with Ardokians. It gained some ground,but does not dominate.


Actually if Solane falls, overthrown for example by military coup, this would give Ardoki perfect reason to invade.

[Inyourfaceistan]

@Ardoki: Just some time ago, you claimed something on my TG. You told me that I can RP resistance groups but "They consist solely of heterosexuals - 2.5% of the population."

I am pretty sure that this CONTRADICTS majority of agreements we had at the beginning of this RP - including, to begin, your own statements that "Majority is against Ardoki" and that "Resistance is slowly pushing Ardokians out of rural areas."

Stop, please, changing the RP in order so you may win. Thank you.

I did not intend for the RP to go this way. I already had a plan and an outline of a plot.

However since Quirinia made me turn President Sloane into a spy - I have had to improvise and change the story radically. I wasn't really happy with my last post as it is very disjointed and looks shoddy - I'm also lost as I have to create an entire new plot outline as I go along (I don't even know what is going to be happening in my next post) - So eventually I might be able to salvage it when I can think of how I can change the plot.

So yes, I've had to change a lot of things; otherwise President Sloane being a sleeper agent would not make sense. I originally envisioned him as a pro-independence politician, and created his country like that (he would obviously have created a country hostile to the UASR). However since he is now an agent of influence, I've had to change the circumstances of the country (he would obviously mould the country to be supportive of the UASR now).

You do realize Qui was bluffing IC, and not actually dictating that he was a spy/puppet, right?

[Ardoki]

I to be honest say no change and we simply keep all that was before:

1) Majority of Islanders are against Ardoki (70% against to 20% for as we agreed).

2) President is Ardokian spy.

3) Islands are 1000km from Ardoki

4) Resistance is present on two occupied islands and is engaged in heavy battles with Ardokians. It gained some ground,but does not dominate.


Actually if Solane falls, overthrown for example by military coup, this would give Ardoki perfect reason to invade.

1. Why would 70% of the population be against the UASR? We are of the same language and culture, we would improve their economy and strengthen their progressive social rights. Even if they were against us, they would certain support us a lot more than they would you (on account of your reputation of hating bisexuals and other LGBTQ+ people).

2. Okay then. However if he is, it would mean during his rule he would have manipulated the public opinion to support the UASR.

3. Okay.

4. Don't see how civilians armed with knives and baseball bats can gain ground against an army with tanks and drones.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Carloso how the hell did you get within 200km of him so fast with no resistence?

WTH man?

[New Aeyariss]

1. Why would 70% of the population be against the UASR? We are of the same language and culture, we would improve their economy and strengthen their progressive social rights. Even if they were against us, they would certain support us a lot more than they would you (on account of your reputation of hating bisexuals and other LGBTQ+ people).

Why do South Koreans hate North Koreans?

I was pretty sure that history of said island was that this was the place where Ardokian nobility / capitalists fled. You yourself admitted that it was stronghold of conservatism.

If majority of people have such views, why would they want "progressive social rights"? "Progressive social rights" is not something that everybody wants by birth. For example persecution of LGBT individuals (Not taking stance now, claiming fact) in many Slavic (Russia, Serbia) or Muslim counties is supported by huge majority. This is just to illustrate what I mean; conservatism and capitalism can be exactly the same appealing to people as your progressivism is.

You really think that conservatives or capitalists would like to be killed or sent to re - education camp? I guess no. This is not ethnic, religious conflict - this is territorial dispute mixed with ideological conflict. And whole fulcrum is, weather you want companies to be private or to be state owned.

2. Okay then. However if he is, it would mean during his rule he would have manipulated the public opinion to support the UASR.

Why?

Agents of influence often are inserted into said nations / groups to claim they are one of their own (eg. capitalists) to paralyse them.

So that could have been task of Solano. Paralyse capitalists on the island.

4. Don't see how civilians armed with knives and baseball bats can gain ground against an army with tanks and drones.

While I meant Than military when speaking about that, who says that civilians could not get guns? Modern insurgencies are in general usually much lesser in numbers than regular armies at which they are armed.

And I am pretty sure that major arms producers such as TECT, me, IYF, Riysa - all of whose are in SACTO, not to mention farer SACTO arms producers - would be very willing to arm such anti - communist militias to kill the communists... In fact forming "strike squadrons" out of locals is my normal policy .

[Flardania]

1. Why would 70% of the population be against the UASR? We are of the same language and culture, we would improve their economy and strengthen their progressive social rights. Even if they were against us, they would certain support us a lot more than they would you (on account of your reputation of hating bisexuals and other LGBTQ+ people).

Why do South Koreans hate North Koreans?

I was pretty sure that history of said island was that this was the place where Ardokian nobility / capitalists fled. You yourself admitted that it was stronghold of conservatism.

If majority of people have such views, why would they want "progressive social rights"? "Progressive social rights" is not something that everybody wants by birth. For example persecution of LGBT individuals (Not taking stance now, claiming fact) in many Slavic (Russia, Serbia) or Muslim counties is supported by huge majority. This is just to illustrate what I mean; conservatism and capitalism can be exactly the same appealing to people as your progressivism is.

You really think that conservatives or capitalists would like to be killed or sent to re - education camp? I guess no. This is not ethnic, religious conflict - this is territorial dispute mixed with ideological conflict. And whole fulcrum is, weather you want companies to be private or to be state owned.

2. Okay then. However if he is, it would mean during his rule he would have manipulated the public opinion to support the UASR.

Why?

Agents of influence often are inserted into said nations / groups to claim they are one of their own (eg. capitalists) to paralyse them.

So that could have been task of Solano. Paralyse capitalists on the island.

4. Don't see how civilians armed with knives and baseball bats can gain ground against an army with tanks and drones.

While I meant Than military when speaking about that, who says that civilians could not get guns? Modern insurgencies are in general usually much lesser in numbers than regular armies at which they are armed.

And I am pretty sure that major arms producers such as TECT, me, IYF, Riysa - all of whose are in SACTO, not to mention farer SACTO arms producers - would be very willing to arm such anti - communist militias to kill the communists... In fact forming "strike squadrons" out of locals is my normal policy .

^Can also be said about China and Taiwan too

[Ardoki]

1. Why would 70% of the population be against the UASR? We are of the same language and culture, we would improve their economy and strengthen their progressive social rights. Even if they were against us, they would certain support us a lot more than they would you (on account of your reputation of hating bisexuals and other LGBTQ+ people).

Why do South Koreans hate North Koreans?

I was pretty sure that history of said island was that this was the place where Ardokian nobility / capitalists fled. You yourself admitted that it was stronghold of conservatism.

If majority of people have such views, why would they want "progressive social rights"? "Progressive social rights" is not something that everybody wants by birth. For example persecution of LGBT individuals (Not taking stance now, claiming fact) in many Slavic (Russia, Serbia) or Muslim counties is supported by huge majority. This is just to illustrate what I mean; conservatism and capitalism can be exactly the same appealing to people as your progressivism is.

You really think that conservatives or capitalists would like to be killed or sent to re - education camp? I guess no. This is not ethnic, religious conflict - this is territorial dispute mixed with ideological conflict. And whole fulcrum is, weather you want companies to be private or to be state owned.

1. The South Koreans don't want to be part of North Korea - As a result of the North's drastically inferior living standard and social rights. The UASR is in a better economic position and has a higher living standard than the archipelago - Re-unification would offer a better living standard for the people of the archipelago.

I never admitted it was a stronghold of social conservatism (please direct me to where I said that). It was conservative in that it rejected the Great Proletarian Revolution, and was previously less socially progressive than the UASR for a while (they have almost caught up now, and are more progressive than most IFC countries). However it would always have been called socially progressive, due to their Ardokian culture.

Well considering about 95% of the population identifies as bisexual, I really doubt they would support the persecution of LGBTQ+ people. I also doubt they would support the aggressors, such as Nihon among others, who are known to have policies very hostile (and in some cases outright genocidal) against LGBTQ+ people. Since the majority of the people are socially progressive, I fail to see how you think social conservatism is very attractive to them.

As long as the people accept the Communist Party, and adhere to Marxism-Ahearnism, they will be fine. Plus practically all corporations in the archipelago have been wanting re-unification for a long time, as it would allow them to operate in the UASR and greatly increase their profits. I would assume the local media has been supporting this agenda for a long time.

[New Carloso]

Carloso how the hell did you get within 200km of him so fast with no resistence?

WTH man?

I'm not sure if you read my post correctly but I said clearly they are submarines and very quiet and stealthy ones at that that were for most of the time cruis'n through the thermocline being undetectable and shiz.

EDIT: And it isn't even within 200 km of Ardoki, its 200 km south of Thuas.

[New Aeyariss]

1. The South Koreans don't want to be part of North Korea - As a result of the North's drastically inferior living standard and social rights. The UASR is in a better economic position and has a higher living standard than the archipelago - Re-unification would offer a better living standard for the people of the archipelago.

Then why Taiwanese do not want to re - unify with PRC? Issue is not also about quality of lives, but about the fact that in general people do not like being killed for their believes.

I never admitted it was a stronghold of social conservatism (please direct me to where I said that). It was conservative in that it rejected the Great Proletarian Revolution, and was previously less socially progressive than the UASR for a while (they have almost caught up now, and are more progressive than most IFC countries). However it would always have been called socially progressive, due to their Ardokian culture.

Well considering about 95% of the population identifies as bisexual, I really doubt they would support the persecution of LGBTQ+ people. I also doubt they would support the aggressors, such as Nihon among others, who are known to have policies very hostile (and in some cases outright genocidal) against LGBTQ+ people. Since the majority of the people are socially progressive, I fail to see how you think social conservatism is very attractive to them.

I given LGBT rights as an issue as an example that not everybody wants progressivism, the same way like not everybody likes conservatism.

Besides:

From 1000 to 1600 CE - The Empire mainly focussed inwards - It wasn't until the 1600s when we started colonial and trade expansion. Thuasinisdún was discovered and settled in the early 17th Century - It was originally uninhabited but was settled by political dissidents who were exiled there.

Nihon suggested (and I think it is a good idea) that the islands are were the former imperial remnants fled after the revolution. It would be under Nihonese protection now.

Since the monarch and his family were killed - Perhaps the islands can be a republic with the former nobility as the holders of political and economic power and influence?

While there would be some Ardokian nationalists who wish to unite with the UASR, they would be a minority. We intend to use the immigrants (who were used as cheap labour by the natives) as supporters.

Don't cheat on me.

I am quite frankly getting impression that you are attempting to manipulate the RP so you get into favourable situation. That is what we call metagaming. You also godmoded by changing entire RP when it was in it's tracks.

The RP was going well until you started changing it without even consulting us. If you change entire RP during it's duration - that is massive Godmod.

As long as the people accept the Communist Party, and adhere to Marxism-Ahearnism, they will be fine. Plus practically all corporations in the archipelago have been wanting re-unification for a long time, as it would allow them to operate in the UASR and greatly increase their profits. I would assume the local media has been supporting this agenda for a long time.

And what with those who do not want to adhere to Marxism - Ahearnism?

What about them? Neither do people want to be killed for their believes, nor do their loved ones like this. Nor do people having their mouths shut so they can not criticize government.

[New Aeyariss]

Besides Ardoki - if you wanted me to invade pro - Ardokian islands, you could have stated this at the beginning, not messed that I myself do not know what is "canon" and what is not "canon" now.

[Ardoki]

Besides Ardoki - if you wanted me to invade pro - Ardokian islands, you could have stated this at the beginning, not messed that I myself do not know what is "canon" and what is not "canon" now.

That is because I originally intended to invade the islands myself. However now since Sloane was made into a spy, everything has changed.

I've already said if you want to change things, agree on something together.

However regardless of whether the majority of people dislike the UASR. They would support us against your invasion (due to your wish to kill them all).

[Ardoki]

I'll just start again, from before Quirinia came into the conference and ruined everything.

[New Aeyariss]

That is because I originally intended to invade the islands myself. However now since Sloane was made into a spy, everything has changed.

I've already said if you want to change things, agree on something together.

However regardless of whether the majority of people dislike the UASR. They would support us against your invasion (due to your wish to kill them all).

1) He was not made into spy. You made him into spy, defying original canon and our agreements. If Nihonese troll calls Riona O`Brien a whore does it means that she works in a brothel? Propaganda does not have to be true.

2) I given my proposition.

3) Who told you that I plan to invade the islands?

If you have noticed all campaigns I carried in last year usually involved my intelligence setting front for entrance of my military.

My plan, in general, was to lead the fight against Ardoki with hands of locals. Arm them, train them, and unleash them upon communists.

Besides, I do not plan to kill them all, since I do not hate Ardokians or the islanders. But invaders can expect no mercy.

Again, Quirina ruined nothing. You did by changing RP. Quirina spread propaganda - you were the one that made it true.

[Novo Wagondia]

Besides:

From 1000 to 1600 CE - The Empire mainly focussed inwards - It wasn't until the 1600s when we started colonial and trade expansion. Thuasinisdún was discovered and settled in the early 17th Century - It was originally uninhabited but was settled by political dissidents who were exiled there.

Nihon suggested (and I think it is a good idea) that the islands are were the former imperial remnants fled after the revolution. It would be under Nihonese protection now.

Since the monarch and his family were killed - Perhaps the islands can be a republic with the former nobility as the holders of political and economic power and influence?

While there would be some Ardokian nationalists who wish to unite with the UASR, they would be a minority. We intend to use the immigrants (who were used as cheap labour by the natives) as supporters.

Don't cheat on me.

I am quite frankly getting impression that you are attempting to manipulate the RP so you get into favourable situation. That is what we call metagaming. You also godmoded by changing entire RP when it was in it's tracks.

The RP was going well until you started changing it without even consulting us. If you change entire RP during it's duration - that is massive Godmod.

Yeah...

You've turned this completely on i's head, and this is coming from perhaps one of if not the most liberal and progressive nation amongst the IFC/SACTO opposition. I recognize that you may not have liked the RPing style that some people put across in the negotiation thread, but it's honestly immature to manipulate the entire situation to make them look foolish or wrong. That's an issue to take up with them personally, not something we should all have to suffer. I'm not sure, but it seems to me you have an impression that everybody here is coming at your throat (which is not at all true), and your reaction is abusing the power you know you have over this RP. So yes, some consultation and a more mature approach (some would call it staying true to what you've already promised) would be in order. You seem to be a quality RPer and have some great ideas, and I'd love to participate, but I don't think any of us will be able to if this instant reversal of the plot continues. It's not fair to us and both you and ourselves deserve better from an RP.

Besides Ardoki - if you wanted me to invade pro - Ardokian islands, you could have stated this at the beginning, not messed that I myself do not know what is "canon" and what is not "canon" now.

That is because I originally intended to invade the islands myself. However now since Sloane was made into a spy, everything has changed.

I've already said if you want to change things, agree on something together.

However regardless of whether the majority of people dislike the UASR. They would support us against your invasion (due to your wish to kill them all).

Sloane being a spy is still a perfect example of a borderline godmod. Some rogue generals under your payroll would be one thing; having a president who in the course of one summit decides to fight against those he invited to save his own country is another. There's way too much self-victimization going on; nobody here but the most extreme, least represented elements, wants to kill the citizens of either of your country or the archipelago, and impose this LGBT-bashing quasi-fascist regime you've thought up. And if they do, that's a matter for you to take up with them, in which you would have my support along with many others. I feel offended that the intentions of my country would be instantly profiled into a broad 'genocidal gay killers' category just because our foreign policy conflicts with the UASR.

[Ardoki]

That is because I originally intended to invade the islands myself. However now since Sloane was made into a spy, everything has changed.

I've already said if you want to change things, agree on something together.

However regardless of whether the majority of people dislike the UASR. They would support us against your invasion (due to your wish to kill them all).

1) He was not made into spy. You made him into spy, defying original canon and our agreements. If Nihonese troll calls Riona O`Brien a whore does it means that she works in a brothel? Propaganda does not have to be true.

2) I given my proposition.

3) Who told you that I plan to invade the islands?

If you have noticed all campaigns I carried in last year usually involved my intelligence setting front for entrance of my military.

My plan, in general, was to lead the fight against Ardoki with hands of locals. Arm them, train them, and unleash them upon communists.

Besides, I do not plan to kill them all, since I do not hate Ardokians or the islanders. But invaders can expect no mercy.

Again, Quirina ruined nothing. You did by changing RP. Quirina spread propaganda - you were the one that made it true.

Okay then.

It is settled.

You will control an anti-UASR resistance front against my Communist Forces. There can be limited IFC/SACTO support (e.g. funds, training, special forces) - Though no invasion (at least not yet) as I don't have time.

Thoughts?

[Ardoki]

-Snip-

I know first-hand of what the SACTO does to LGBTQ+ people.

If they invade, the people would not support it. It would be like neo-nazis invading Israel - Why would the Israelis welcome the neo-nazis?

[New Aeyariss]

I know first-hand of what the SACTO does to LGBTQ+ people.

If they invade, the people would not support it. It would be like neo-nazis invading Israel - Why would the Israelis welcome the neo-nazis?

I had several chances to observe what Ardoki does to Christians.

Again who is telling anything here about invasion? Only goal of SACTO intervention is to keep Ardokian forces out of the Islands, not to stay on them.

Before I say my opinion, I would like to hear what others say.

[Ardoki]

I know first-hand of what the SACTO does to LGBTQ+ people.

If they invade, the people would not support it. It would be like neo-nazis invading Israel - Why would the Israelis welcome the neo-nazis?

I had several chances to observe what Ardoki does to Christians.

Again who is telling anything here about invasion? Only goal of SACTO intervention is to keep Ardokian forces out of the Islands, not to stay on them.

Before I say my opinion, I would like to hear what others say.

The resistance would not be pro-christian. At best they would probably just ignore christians, as they are an insignificant and almost invisible minority.

[Novo Wagondia]

-Snip-

I know first-hand of what the SACTO does to LGBTQ+ people.

If they invade, the people would not support it. It would be like neo-nazis invading Israel - Why would the Israelis welcome the neo-nazis?

I'm not denying that SACTO has a bad record in that respect, but the rest of us (certainly the majority) don't partake in such actions. If you want to avoid the worst prejudice, just OOCly consult them and reach a solution on how much to tolerate. As a country (and a person) who takes human rights very seriously, especially gay rights, being profiled as an ignorant and oppressive conservative state simply because we don't worship your brand of communism is more than untrue, it's offensive. You're making us all pay for perceived crimes that, if they happened at all by the one or two nations who condone them, would be strongly condemned by almost all parties.

[New Aeyariss]

Well I admit, that my nation does limit LGBT rights since my nation opposes them, and neither I will deny that I am far more harsh in methods I use in combat that states from the IFC.

However nowhere did Nihon experiment on Christians. Nor did Nihon ban homosexuality - unlike Ardoki which banned both hetero and homosexuality.

[New Carloso]

I know first-hand of what the SACTO does to LGBTQ+ people.

If they invade, the people would not support it. It would be like neo-nazis invading Israel - Why would the Israelis welcome the neo-nazis?

I had several chances to observe what Ardoki does to Christians.

Again who is telling anything here about invasion? Only goal of SACTO intervention is to keep Ardokian forces out of the Islands, not to stay on them.

Before I say my opinion, I would like to hear what others say.

It depends really.

If Ardoki decides to go ahead with his plans to try and sink the Redoubtable, I have only this to say to him.

Though, I'd prefer we kept things going the way they so I don't have to retcon all my actions.