Ardokian RP Planning Tread [OOC | Semi-Open | PT/MT/PMT?]

[Novo Wagondia]

Thuasinisdún Archipelago

Land Area: Approximately 10 000 kilometres squared
Population: Approximately 15 000 000 (80% Ardokians, 20% immigrants)
Population Density: 1 500 people per square kilometres
Map: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=25655555#p25655555

History: The Thuasinisdún Archipelago was discovered in 1592 by Ardokian traders on route to Africa, it was uninhabited however a trading and military outpost was set up there by the imperial government in 1602. In 1841, it became a dumping ground for political opponents of the Ardokian monarchy and its population had reached 10 million by 1886. With the Great Proletarian Revolution sweeping across the Ardokian mainland in 1886, the people of the islands declared independence and created the independent State of Thuasinisdún. The revolutionary growing pains were well behind the UASR, and by 1920 the country's economy had rapidly expanded along with far higher living standards - It was time to spread the revolution to the archipelago. In 1922 the UASR invaded Thuasinisdún, the invasion eventually proved unsuccessful due to the skirmishing and insurgency of the locals, however millions of civilians had been killed.


In 2009, the UASR invaded once more - This time it was successful. However an insurgency against the occupying UASR forces has been raging ever since - The rebels are slowly pushing the Socialist Revolutionary Army (SRA) out of the countryside and into the cities and towns ...

Awesome. I'll get working on a map with cities and natural features; expect it to be done by later today. I was thinking a blend of Anglicized Irish Names and Traditional Gaelic Names (like modern day Ireland); would that be acceptable? Also, the two or three largest islands would be the centers of population, with the smaller ones serving mainly as tourist attractions and nature preserves. That should allow for a good deal of urban warfare, but also a strong base for the rebel guerrillas. And last thing I need to know is the climate; given that it is close to Africa but more green, the weather would probably be warm with plentiful rainfall (not yet a tropical island, but humid sub-tropical, like the Southeastern US or Southern China)

[Torrumbarry]

Sweet! This will be awesome!

Yep.

I would prefer to keep it limited to an insurgency and revolution by (IFC/SACTO controlled) insurgents and perhaps your special forces teams - I expect to be kicked out of the territory and a cold-war-esque stand-off to develop.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to turn it into an aircraft carrier orgy.

[Krjder]

Yep.

I would prefer to keep it limited to an insurgency and revolution by (IFC/SACTO controlled) insurgents and perhaps your special forces teams - I expect to be kicked out of the territory and a cold-war-esque stand-off to develop.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to turn it into an aircraft carrier orgy.

Oh, crumbs that would be insane. Due to the obscurity of the conflict I'm only deploying special forces. Maybe a battalion of Sároźags....

[Flardania]

Thuasinisdún Archipelago

Land Area: Approximately 10 000 kilometres squared
Population: Approximately 15 000 000 (80% Ardokians, 20% immigrants)
Population Density: 1 500 people per square kilometres
Map: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=25655555#p25655555

History: The Thuasinisdún Archipelago was discovered in 1592 by Ardokian traders on route to Africa, it was uninhabited however a trading and military outpost was set up there by the imperial government in 1602. In 1841, it became a dumping ground for political opponents of the Ardokian monarchy and its population had reached 10 million by 1886. With the Great Proletarian Revolution sweeping across the Ardokian mainland in 1886, the people of the islands declared independence and created the independent State of Thuasinisdún. The revolutionary growing pains were well behind the UASR, and by 1920 the country's economy had rapidly expanded along with far higher living standards - It was time to spread the revolution to the archipelago. In 1922 the UASR invaded Thuasinisdún, the invasion eventually proved unsuccessful due to the skirmishing and insurgency of the locals, however millions of civilians had been killed.

In 2009, the UASR invaded once more - This time it was successful. However an insurgency against the occupying UASR forces has been raging ever since - The rebels are slowly pushing the Socialist Revolutionary Army (SRA) out of the countryside and into the cities and towns ...

beautiful

[New Aeyariss]

Hmm.... 10 000 km is roughly size of northern Ireland.

I would quite frankly love to RP a city - state based of Singapore located in the Northern Area, which would not be de facto part of the islands, but would be invaded alongside escalation for "supporting the counter - revolutionaries".

[Flardania]

Yeah, we wouldn't want to turn it into an aircraft carrier orgy.

Oh, crumbs that would be insane. Due to the obscurity of the conflict I'm only deploying special forces. Maybe a battalion of Sároźags....

The Return of the Shadow Valkyries is imminent

[Inyourfaceistan]

Hmm.... 10 000 km is roughly size of northern Ireland.

I would quite frankly love to RP a city - state based of Singapore located in the Northern Area, which would not be de facto part of the islands, but would be invaded alongside escalation for "supporting the counter - revolutionaries".

Did you see my map? There is one island where this could probably work.

Also, Ardoki, when you say "80% Ardokian, 20% immigrant"; you are speaking in purely racial/ethnic terms, right? Not in terms of support?

[Novo Wagondia]

Hmm.... 10 000 km is roughly size of northern Ireland.

I would quite frankly love to RP a city - state based of Singapore located in the Northern Area, which would not be de facto part of the islands, but would be invaded alongside escalation for "supporting the counter - revolutionaries".

Did you see my map? There is one island where this could probably work.

Also, Ardoki, when you say "80% Ardokian, 20% immigrant"; you are speaking in purely racial/ethnic terms, right? Not in terms of support?

I think we should keep the islands as they are; a separate city-state could be set up as a supply point nearby.

[Krjder]

I think the IFC should produce its own ORBAT, where we work in cohesion as opposed to each nation launching it's own attack. eg, two guys provide carrier fleets, others a few airborne divisions, others submarines, commandos and so on...

[New Aeyariss]

Did you see my map? There is one island where this could probably work.

Also, Ardoki, when you say "80% Ardokian, 20% immigrant"; you are speaking in purely racial/ethnic terms, right? Not in terms of support?

I think we should keep the islands as they are; a separate city-state could be set up as a supply point nearby.

I rather envision it as my own stand against SRA...

[Flardania]

I think the IFC should produce its own ORBAT, where we work in cohesion as opposed to each nation launching it's own attack. eg, two guys provide carrier fleets, others a few airborne divisions, others submarines, commandos and so on...

which would work so much better than the last IFC Intervention

[Krjder]

I think the IFC should produce its own ORBAT, where we work in cohesion as opposed to each nation launching it's own attack. eg, two guys provide carrier fleets, others a few airborne divisions, others submarines, commandos and so on...

which would work so much better than the last IFC Intervention

Yeah, so much better. As Torrumbarry rightfully said, it would turn into a carrier fleet orgy that's not necessary.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I think the IFC should produce its own ORBAT, where we work in cohesion as opposed to each nation launching it's own attack. eg, two guys provide carrier fleets, others a few airborne divisions, others submarines, commandos and so on...

That would kill me; unless all the military assets were assigned to one player elected with the most strategic know-how; plus IC that would work better if we all had inter-operable net-centric warfare, and I know there are some 4GW people in here that would not like me making us all adhere to NCW...

Even then don't expect me to entrust my F-22A's to anyone, and don't expect me to deploy them without my own logistics and support assets.

[Krjder]

I think the IFC should produce its own ORBAT, where we work in cohesion as opposed to each nation launching it's own attack. eg, two guys provide carrier fleets, others a few airborne divisions, others submarines, commandos and so on...

That would kill me; unless all the military assets were assigned to one player elected with the most strategic know-how; plus IC that would work better if we all had inter-operable net-centric warfare, and I know there are some 4GW people in here that would not like me making us all adhere to NCW...

Even then don't expect me to entrust my F-22A's to anyone, and don't expect me to deploy them without my own logistics and support assets.

Hhm, it's not about entrusting things to certain people. You are probably better at low key and guerrilla war than I am, so you should concentrate on deploying special forces via airdrop or by submarine. Whereas, I could provide air support for ground operations. Someone else could provide the main bulk of ground troops and vehicles and so on.

[Novo Wagondia]

I think we should keep the islands as they are; a separate city-state could be set up as a supply point nearby.

I rather envision it as my own stand against SRA...

That would work, though I think the islands should remain as a unified political body, without any city-states among them. The Singapore-style state could be a little further down the coast, and you could invade to show Ardoki we aren't playing around.

I think the IFC should produce its own ORBAT, where we work in cohesion as opposed to each nation launching it's own attack. eg, two guys provide carrier fleets, others a few airborne divisions, others submarines, commandos and so on...

That would kill me; unless all the military assets were assigned to one player elected with the most strategic know-how; plus IC that would work better if we all had inter-operable net-centric warfare, and I know there are some 4GW people in here that would not like me making us all adhere to NCW...

Even then don't expect me to entrust my F-22A's to anyone, and don't expect me to deploy them without my own logistics and support assets.

I think we should operate as a Bosnia-style intervention: each military contributes its own ground, sea, and air forces in smaller doses, and retains command of them, but the mission is organized by a cooperative body (in our case the IFC) which works with national commands to cooperate offensively and defensively.

[New Aeyariss]

Well if I am the one invading this ain't gonna be fun for Ardokians....



You all know too well what I am capable of. And you all know that geneva convention is my least concern .

[Krjder]

I rather envision it as my own stand against SRA...

That would work, though I think the islands should remain as a unified political body, without any city-states among them. The Singapore-style state could be a little further down the coast, and you could invade to show Ardoki we aren't playing around.

That would kill me; unless all the military assets were assigned to one player elected with the most strategic know-how; plus IC that would work better if we all had inter-operable net-centric warfare, and I know there are some 4GW people in here that would not like me making us all adhere to NCW...

Even then don't expect me to entrust my F-22A's to anyone, and don't expect me to deploy them without my own logistics and support assets.

I think we should operate as a Bosnia-style intervention: each military contributes its own ground, sea, and air forces in smaller doses, and retains command of them, but the mission is organized by a cooperative body (in our case the IFC) which works with national commands to cooperate offensively and defensively.

I think it would be better if each nation specialises in one thing, it makes it more exciting and our efforts more effective. Though, it could be interesting, regarding my relationship with certain members...

[Inyourfaceistan]

I'm not going to tout my own horn, but I believe my fast-paced, mixed-action strategy would be the best for invading.

I have noticed many people either stuck in the delusion that D-Day styled massed amphibious landings are still a thing, or under the delusion that you can effectively open, refine and defend corridors for deployment simply through small-unit 'guerrilla' warfare and non-conventional means.

So I would really prefer to handle my own invasion and not leave it up to anyone else.

I say we divide and conquer though.
Similar* to D-Day how the western allies landed at different beach heads; we should land at different islands/parts of the island.

[Novo Wagondia]

That would work, though I think the islands should remain as a unified political body, without any city-states among them. The Singapore-style state could be a little further down the coast, and you could invade to show Ardoki we aren't playing around.



I think we should operate as a Bosnia-style intervention: each military contributes its own ground, sea, and air forces in smaller doses, and retains command of them, but the mission is organized by a cooperative body (in our case the IFC) which works with national commands to cooperate offensively and defensively.

I think it would be better if each nation specialises in one thing, it makes it more exciting and our efforts more effective. Though, it could be interesting, regarding my relationship with certain members...

Well let's first get a sense of what everybody is good at. Perhaps each nation could mainly contribute their specialized units, but still leave room for support forces that could work in conjunction with other nations.

For example, Wagondia is especially adept at guerrilla warfare, so our contribution will be largely guerilla-style special forces. However, we also have a powerful navy, so sending two or three warships shouldn't be out of the question. If everybody works like that we can still excel at what we are good at, and keep commitments from spiraling out of control, without leaving massive duties like air support in the hands of only one country

[Krjder]

I think it would be better if each nation specialises in one thing, it makes it more exciting and our efforts more effective. Though, it could be interesting, regarding my relationship with certain members...

Well let's first get a sense of what everybody is good at. Perhaps each nation could mainly contribute their specialized units, but still leave room for support forces that could work in conjunction with other nations.

For example, Wagondia is especially adept at guerrilla warfare, so our contribution will be largely guerilla-style special forces. However, we also have a powerful navy, so sending two or three warships shouldn't be out of the question. If everybody works like that we can still excel at what we are good at, and keep commitments from spiraling out of control, without leaving massive duties like air support in the hands of only one country

I'm proficient at alpine or forest warfare, for both OOC and IC reasons. My navy isn't bad either, so I can deploy a few destroyers for naval bombardment. I might deploy some shock troops too to scare the shit out the enemy.

Beware, the Sároźags are coming...

[Quirina]

Tag

Also, I'm interested to roleplay with Ardoki, mainly to test how my new combat platform will work. I hope he reads this ('coz his settings are shifted to ignore my posts).

[New Aeyariss]

If the city state is not a thing then I think I will go with Kaigun Rikusentai brigade.

[Riysa]

Riysa reporting in. Still have space for some fun from the EW King himself?

[Novo Wagondia]

I present to you all the new, revised, detailed map of the Thuasinisdún Archipelago

[Krjder]

I present to you all the new, revised, detailed map of the Thuasinisdún Archipelago

Nice work!