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Western Pacific Territories
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:59 pm

Esgonia wrote:GUYS WHERE ARE YOU
ME AND FDR ARE BANZAI CHARGING AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE IN THE FIRE

Oh!
HANG ON, ABOUT 5,000 of us coming in!

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The Federation of Democratic Regions
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Postby The Federation of Democratic Regions » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:00 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
Equator Confederation wrote:*nerfhammer goes past ghostly body*
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

For the love of God, why won't you die! Oh wait, you're a ghost.
I need to go to Moderation and steal a banhammer from their secret lair.


Do you know how hard that would be? They've got guards and stuff.
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North Arkana
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:01 pm

Technically speaking, airstrikes are still allowed. It is the burden of the defender to prevent civilian casualties by having them leave the area. Any civilian casualties caused by strikes aimed at military targets are the fault of the defending force.
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Cirilla
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Postby Cirilla » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:05 pm

North Arkana wrote:Technically speaking, airstrikes are still allowed. It is the burden of the defender to prevent civilian casualties by having them leave the area. Any civilian casualties caused by strikes aimed at military targets are the fault of the defending force.

.... -_-

Esgonia wrote:GUYS WHERE ARE YOU
ME AND FDR ARE BANZAI CHARGING AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE IN THE FIRE

??? Theres no entrance to the city..... you can literally go into it. There is sentry towers watching the outskirts of the city. Kinda hard making a wall surrounding a city with a population over 10 million citizens.

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Esgonia
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Postby Esgonia » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:08 pm

Cirilla wrote:??? Theres no entrance to the city..... you can literally go into it. There is sentry towers watching the outskirts of the city. Kinda hard making a wall surrounding a city with a population over 10 million citizens.


I'm going to edit that. I used to think that it was a fortress, sorry.
And sentry towers are considered, hardpoints, right?
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Cirilla
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Postby Cirilla » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:12 pm

Esgonia wrote:
Cirilla wrote:??? Theres no entrance to the city..... you can literally go into it. There is sentry towers watching the outskirts of the city. Kinda hard making a wall surrounding a city with a population over 10 million citizens.


I'm going to edit that. I used to think that it was a fortress, sorry.
And sentry towers are considered, hardpoints, right?

Yes

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North Arkana
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:17 pm

Cirilla wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Technically speaking, airstrikes are still allowed. It is the burden of the defender to prevent civilian casualties by having them leave the area. Any civilian casualties caused by strikes aimed at military targets are the fault of the defending force.

.... -_-

If you're just straight up bombing the city, it's the attacker's fault. If you're making precision strikes on military targets who decided to set up next to civilians, it's the defender's fault.
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Esgonia
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Postby Esgonia » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:21 pm

North Arkana wrote: the city, it's the attacker's fault. If you're making precision strikes on military targets who decided to set up next to civilians, it's the defender's fault.


And isn't that considered a war crime as well or no?
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Cirilla
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Postby Cirilla » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:24 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Cirilla wrote:.... -_-

If you're just straight up bombing the city, it's the attacker's fault. If you're making precision strikes on military targets who decided to set up next to civilians, it's the defender's fault.

.....
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North Arkana
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:25 pm

Esgonia wrote:
North Arkana wrote: the city, it's the attacker's fault. If you're making precision strikes on military targets who decided to set up next to civilians, it's the defender's fault.


And isn't that considered a war crime as well or no?

Yes, setting up next to civilian or civil facilities so as to try to deter attack by having the possibility of civilian casualties is a war crime on the part of the defending force.
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North Arkana
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:31 pm

And to satisfy you Cirilla...

"Thus, the incidental killing of civilians in a bombing raid as part of a military operation is not murder because it is justified by military necessity."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/war_crimes.aspx
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Cirilla
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Postby Cirilla » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:37 pm

North Arkana wrote:And to satisfy you Cirilla...

"Thus, the incidental killing of civilians in a bombing raid as part of a military operation is not murder because it is justified by military necessity."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/war_crimes.aspx

Justifying death of innocents.........*Sigh*

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Postby Equator Confederation » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:39 pm

Cirilla wrote:
North Arkana wrote:And to satisfy you Cirilla...

"Thus, the incidental killing of civilians in a bombing raid as part of a military operation is not murder because it is justified by military necessity."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/war_crimes.aspx

Justifying death of innocents.........*Sigh*

Well, for example I support Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it was needed :D
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North Arkana
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:43 pm

Equator Confederation wrote:
Cirilla wrote:Justifying death of innocents.........*Sigh*

Well, for example I support Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it was needed :D

There's a significant number of Japanese and even Japanese veterans who see the atomic bombs as a terrible necessity.
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Equator Confederation
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Postby Equator Confederation » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:47 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Equator Confederation wrote:Well, for example I support Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it was needed :D

There's a significant number of Japanese and even Japanese veterans who see the atomic bombs as a terrible necessity.

I would prefer nuking two cities than having to invade and split another country with millions of casualties in both sides, and almost wipe out the Japanese population.
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Cirilla
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Postby Cirilla » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:48 pm

North Arkana wrote:There's a significant number of Japanese and even Japanese veterans who see the atomic bombs as a terrible necessity.


Equator Confederation wrote:Well, for example I support Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it was needed :D


Let's stop right there.

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Postby The Jaclean Empire » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:50 pm

Not sure what's going on is Cirilla still Nazi?
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Equator Confederation
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Postby Equator Confederation » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:51 pm

Cirilla wrote:
North Arkana wrote:There's a significant number of Japanese and even Japanese veterans who see the atomic bombs as a terrible necessity.


Equator Confederation wrote:Well, for example I support Hiroshima and Nagasaki because it was needed :D


Let's stop right there.

It was like: boom *6 thousand degrees* horrible way to see people die and suffer a lot

Ok I stahp
Please don't nuke me
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Western Pacific Territories
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:53 pm

Cirilla, can you give me some popcorn? Cruxa's on and I want you to audit all of his IC posts since the last audit. I also wanna see a causalities list.

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Postby Equator Confederation » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:56 pm

Cruxa
2.000.000 soldiers
at
fucking
once
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Western Pacific Territories
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:57 pm

Equator Confederation wrote:Cruxa
2.000.000 soldiers
at
fucking
once

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=25620302#p25620302

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Fronsland
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Postby Fronsland » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:57 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:Cirilla, can you give me some popcorn? Cruxa's on and I want you to audit all of his IC posts since the last audit. I also wanna see a causalities list.


POPCORN!
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Postby Fronsland » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:58 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
Equator Confederation wrote:Cruxa
2.000.000 soldiers
at
fucking
once

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=25620302#p25620302


HE went overboard
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Cirilla
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Postby Cirilla » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:58 pm

WTF Cruxa is that your original 2 million troops or are they the old ones that landed?!

"The one million marines spilled out of the transports left and running into the city to take up arms with the Army"
And wtf where is this army at?
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Western Pacific Territories
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:59 pm

Cirilla wrote:WTF Cruxa is that your original 2 million troops or are they the old ones that landed?!

It doesn't matter, nerf him pls!
I'll even give you the nerfhammer back.
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