Benevolence's Vengeance (MT, OOC, Open)

[Ranoria]

To be realistic the attack on Ardakan has little chance at succeding. My heavy armored force is based in the area, and those MBTs and heavy IFVs will chew up the lightly armed landing force. Ardakan is also.the most heavily fortified, and defended of the three sectors. In addition there are a quite a lot of aircraft in the area.

Qirabashi landing is more of a toss up. It does not possess heavy armor like Ardakan however the forces in Qiraibashi are reasonably fortified. The coalition seems to be focusing most of its efforts in the city as well. It will come down to tactics.

The Ultsengel landing will probably suceed unless something drastic happens. The city is poorly defended compared to the other two. The area will probably give way to the coalition.

I think with significant missile bombardment coupled with air power (assuming we've destroyed local SAM batteries) should pave the way for infantry-heavy clearing of Qirabashi.

EDIT: As we saw at Normandy, bunkers & pillboxes are no match for wave after wave of men.

Actually, the allies attacked the least fortified part of the beach. And while of course eventually we may get overrun, our men will be coming in basically 1 boat against 2 or 3 machine guns with consistent mortar bombardment and infantry picking off any stragglers. I will have snipers in the buildings as well, just to fire at you cuz wynaut.
You will find it difficult to take on my defenses. You very well may prevail, but you won't be able to deploy everyone at once, and alot of the guys, tbh, will just get shot to hell before stepping onto the beach.
EDIT:What I'm trying to say is that you will suffer very heavy casualties in attacking Qiraibashi, and if we manage to hold you for two days(VERY unlikely) the assault could end rather quickly then.

[Mitheldalond]

To be realistic the attack on Ardakan has little chance at succeding. My heavy armored force is based in the area, and those MBTs and heavy IFVs will chew up the lightly armed landing force. Ardakan is also.the most heavily fortified, and defended of the three sectors. In addition there are a quite a lot of aircraft in the area.

Qirabashi landing is more of a toss up. It does not possess heavy armor like Ardakan however the forces in Qiraibashi are reasonably fortified. The coalition seems to be focusing most of its efforts in the city as well. It will come down to tactics.

The Ultsengel landing will probably suceed unless something drastic happens. The city is poorly defended compared to the other two. The area will probably give way to the coalition.

BUT Ultsengel is down a river. It would be harder to get a large force down there. (Not impossible, but it would take longer) Supplying the army wuld be difficult. I agree that attacking Ardaken is a suicide mission, but I've also got to agree with Kelvinsi that Qiraibashi is a toss up.
Within 50 kilos, I can fire off Thermobarics, within 45 Sen can utilize his own defenses. The beach itself will be hard to take, and there are defenses in place to intercept incoming missiles. They won't stop everything, just alot of it. If you land without bombarding the beachhead for at least a few hours, your men will likely have to fight through MGs, assault rifles, and with mortars. If you continue, you will face a small but heavily trained group of Ranorian soldiers who will be forced to retreat unless a massive portion of your force is taken down on the beachhead.
On the other hand, if I can stall you for 2 days, over a hundred thousand men, a massive armored division, more defenses, and aerial combat vehicles will arrive. At that point we will begin setting up bunkers and pillboxes along the beachhead, and it will become increasingly difficult to bombard. Then, even if you break through, you have to deal with over a thousand tanks and infantry along with gunships strafing the streets.

I have bombers that carry 88 cruise missiles each. I could easily wreak havock on the defenses around either city with just one aircraft. And I have 50 aircraft.

Also, I'm landing at Ultsengel, not coming at it from the north. And I'm not planning on landing where you have defenses set up on the beach.

My point is, don't get cocky you two. You haven't won yet by a long shot.

[Ranoria]

BUT Ultsengel is down a river. It would be harder to get a large force down there. (Not impossible, but it would take longer) Supplying the army wuld be difficult. I agree that attacking Ardaken is a suicide mission, but I've also got to agree with Kelvinsi that Qiraibashi is a toss up.
Within 50 kilos, I can fire off Thermobarics, within 45 Sen can utilize his own defenses. The beach itself will be hard to take, and there are defenses in place to intercept incoming missiles. They won't stop everything, just alot of it. If you land without bombarding the beachhead for at least a few hours, your men will likely have to fight through MGs, assault rifles, and with mortars. If you continue, you will face a small but heavily trained group of Ranorian soldiers who will be forced to retreat unless a massive portion of your force is taken down on the beachhead.
On the other hand, if I can stall you for 2 days, over a hundred thousand men, a massive armored division, more defenses, and aerial combat vehicles will arrive. At that point we will begin setting up bunkers and pillboxes along the beachhead, and it will become increasingly difficult to bombard. Then, even if you break through, you have to deal with over a thousand tanks and infantry along with gunships strafing the streets.

I have bombers that carry 88 cruise missiles each. I could easily wreak havock on the defenses around either city with just one aircraft. And I have 50 aircraft.

Also, I'm landing at Ultsengel, not coming at it from the north. And I'm not planning on landing where you have defenses set up on the beach.

My point is, don't get cocky you two. You haven't won yet by a long shot.

Actually, does anyone else think it would be cool to have my army meet you guys's in Ultsengel and duke it out there?
As for the bombers, those better be some light-ass, cheap cruise missiles. Cruise missiles are rather large normally, not to mention tha tmost bombers (I knew this, don't know why I didn't think it applied to A-10) can't take off from a carrier, especially with 88 cruise missiles.

[Mitheldalond]

I have bombers that carry 88 cruise missiles each. I could easily wreak havock on the defenses around either city with just one aircraft. And I have 50 aircraft.

Also, I'm landing at Ultsengel, not coming at it from the north. And I'm not planning on landing where you have defenses set up on the beach.

My point is, don't get cocky you two. You haven't won yet by a long shot.

Actually, does anyone else think it would be cool to have my army meet you guys's in Ultsengel and duke it out there?
As for the bombers, those better be some light-ass, cheap cruise missiles. Cruise missiles are rather large normally, not to mention tha tmost bombers (I knew this, don't know why I didn't think it applied to A-10) can't take off from a carrier, especially with 88 cruise missiles.

I'll see you in Ultsengel then.

They're based on Beoing 747s.

[Ranoria]

Actually, does anyone else think it would be cool to have my army meet you guys's in Ultsengel and duke it out there?
As for the bombers, those better be some light-ass, cheap cruise missiles. Cruise missiles are rather large normally, not to mention tha tmost bombers (I knew this, don't know why I didn't think it applied to A-10) can't take off from a carrier, especially with 88 cruise missiles.

I'll see you in Ultsengel then.

They're based on Beoing 747s.

Yeah...I fly on those alot. (Or maybe 737, who knows) but they take alot more runway distance than a Nimitz even, and 88 cruise missiles? I don't even know if they have room unless you're firing them from the (originally) passenger areas or have a reload method from there to the wings/belly, but even then I doubt it. 88 is a shit ton. And unless there've been heavy mods, no 747 is going to get past my defenses anyways lol.
EDIT-So you'd basically have to fire fly them out of Ultsengel. And if you want my army, come and get it.
Of course that also leaves Qiraibashi undefended, but meh, I'll split off some of the forces.

[Mitheldalond]

I'll see you in Ultsengel then.

They're based on Beoing 747s.

Yeah...I fly on those alot. (Or maybe 737, who knows) but they take alot more runway distance than a Nimitz even, and 88 cruise missiles? I don't even know if they have room unless you're firing them from the (originally) passenger areas or have a reload method from there to the wings/belly, but even then I doubt it. 88 is a shit ton. And unless there've been heavy mods, no 747 is going to get past my defenses anyways lol.
EDIT-So you'd basically have to fire fly them out of Ultsengel. And if you want my army, come and get it.
Of course that also leaves Qiraibashi undefended, but meh, I'll split off some of the forces.

Cruise Missile Carrier Aircraft:


Firing AGM-158 JASSM-ER missiles with a range of over 600 miles. Land based with aerial refueling if necessary.

It's up to you whether you want to send some forces to Ultsengel or keep them all at Qiraibashi. Well, you and STAVKA.

[New Finnish Republic]

Maybe if we can conclude this friggin' Spec Op insertion we can move on to the invasion

[The United Remnants of America]

*twiddles thumbs*

Someone mentioned me encountering people... I'm cool with that.

[Ranoria]

Yeah...I fly on those alot. (Or maybe 737, who knows) but they take alot more runway distance than a Nimitz even, and 88 cruise missiles? I don't even know if they have room unless you're firing them from the (originally) passenger areas or have a reload method from there to the wings/belly, but even then I doubt it. 88 is a shit ton. And unless there've been heavy mods, no 747 is going to get past my defenses anyways lol.
EDIT-So you'd basically have to fire fly them out of Ultsengel. And if you want my army, come and get it.
Of course that also leaves Qiraibashi undefended, but meh, I'll split off some of the forces.

Cruise Missile Carrier Aircraft:


Firing AGM-158 JASSM-ER missiles with a range of over 600 miles. Land based with aerial refueling if necessary.

It's up to you whether you want to send some forces to Ultsengel or keep them all at Qiraibashi. Well, you and STAVKA.

Interesting.
Stlll easiest thing on the market to shoot down though lol.

[The Selkie]

Short question for all those nice gents with the cruise missiles: Why does no one of you target other installations of military use? Power plants, transformer stations (you know which one I mean...), bridges, every stretch of highway, which goes on for two kilometres in a straight line, runways, command centres, kindergardens and so on, and so on, and so on?

[Mizentia]

I'm thinking aircraft can do that. At least for me my main concern is creating a zone for my planes to operate since that's most of my force.

Maybe it'd be different if I had brought an entire fleet lol

[Military Democracy of Birtonia]

Short question for all those nice gents with the cruise missiles: Why does no one of you target other installations of military use? Power plants, transformer stations (you know which one I mean...), bridges, every stretch of highway, which goes on for two kilometres in a straight line, runways, command centres, kindergardens and so on, and so on, and so on?

Ah yes, kindergartens. Must keep the enemy from reaching their children about shapes and shit, that'll be my downfall.

[New Finnish Republic]

We're planning on our aerial campaign to take care of that. Think of the U.S invasion of Iraq.

[The GAmeTopians]

Bigger ORBAT:
Army:
3,000 infantrymen
40 Dire Wolf tanks (Lyran Arms)
200 Scout infantry

Navy:
All of the following is from VMK Armaments
6 Zeedier Class Fast Attack Submarines
2 Indonesia Class Nuclear Attack Submarines
7 Common New-Generation Destroyers
7 Common Multi-Purpose Frigates
1 Commonwealth Class Nuclear Aircraft Carrier
1 De Ruyter Class Battlecruiser
Non-VMK:
20 Troop Transport Frigates

Air Force:
60 Shadowhawk fighters (Lyran Arms)
20 Sparrowhawk fighters (Lyran Arms)
4 'Dreadnought' Bombers (VMK)
10 Vipers

Special Forces:
100 International Law Enforcement (ILO) Officers

[The Selkie]

We're planning on our aerial campaign to take care of that. Think of the U.S invasion of Iraq.

But for example with enemy air bases: Wouldn't it be more effective to destroy them before our own bombers come? So that we don't have that much of a hazzle fighting for air supriority Battle of Britain Style (albeit a bit more modern)?
If we destroy the air bases with all planes on the ground, they can't take off, those in the air will fall like bricks. The enemy knows, that we are coming, so surprise air attacks like in the Six Days War are out of question, so we need to take the enemy airfields out as cost-efficient as possible - cruise missile strikes.
The US had the great advantage in both Iraq-Wars, that there wasn't much the Iraquis could have launched to intercept their bombers, they simply swarmed everything and anything with more planes to bomb stuff then the Iraquis had at all. And they took out a few key-localities before even the first bomber lifted off.

[Ranoria]

We're planning on our aerial campaign to take care of that. Think of the U.S invasion of Iraq.

But for example with enemy air bases: Wouldn't it be more effective to destroy them before our own bombers come? So that we don't have that much of a hazzle fighting for air supriority Battle of Britain Style (albeit a bit more modern)?
If we destroy the air bases with all planes on the ground, they can't take off, those in the air will fall like bricks. The enemy knows, that we are coming, so surprise air attacks like in the Six Days War are out of question, so we need to take the enemy airfields out as cost-efficient as possible - cruise missile strikes.
The US had the great advantage in both Iraq-Wars, that there wasn't much the Iraquis could have launched to intercept their bombers, they simply swarmed everything and anything with more planes to bomb stuff then the Iraquis had at all. And they took out a few key-localities before even the first bomber lifted off.

Cong wants to punish, not destroy, Qiraj. While highways and power plants would work...
you won't be able to fire much through Qiraibashi's defenses.

[The Selkie]

But for example with enemy air bases: Wouldn't it be more effective to destroy them before our own bombers come? So that we don't have that much of a hazzle fighting for air supriority Battle of Britain Style (albeit a bit more modern)?
If we destroy the air bases with all planes on the ground, they can't take off, those in the air will fall like bricks. The enemy knows, that we are coming, so surprise air attacks like in the Six Days War are out of question, so we need to take the enemy airfields out as cost-efficient as possible - cruise missile strikes.
The US had the great advantage in both Iraq-Wars, that there wasn't much the Iraquis could have launched to intercept their bombers, they simply swarmed everything and anything with more planes to bomb stuff then the Iraquis had at all. And they took out a few key-localities before even the first bomber lifted off.

Cong wants to punish, not destroy, Qiraj. While highways and power plants would work...
you won't be able to fire much through Qiraibashi's defenses.

Ah, I see... the light-hearted approach.

[Military Democracy of Birtonia]

But for example with enemy air bases: Wouldn't it be more effective to destroy them before our own bombers come? So that we don't have that much of a hazzle fighting for air supriority Battle of Britain Style (albeit a bit more modern)?
If we destroy the air bases with all planes on the ground, they can't take off, those in the air will fall like bricks. The enemy knows, that we are coming, so surprise air attacks like in the Six Days War are out of question, so we need to take the enemy airfields out as cost-efficient as possible - cruise missile strikes.
The US had the great advantage in both Iraq-Wars, that there wasn't much the Iraquis could have launched to intercept their bombers, they simply swarmed everything and anything with more planes to bomb stuff then the Iraquis had at all. And they took out a few key-localities before even the first bomber lifted off.

Cong wants to punish, not destroy, Qiraj. While highways and power plants would work...
you won't be able to fire much through Qiraibashi's defenses.

Once your in war, all of those targets become of strategic value. Elimination of a Main Supply Route (or MSR) will greatly impede enemy efforts to reinforce and supply their frontline.

[The Commonwealth of the South Pacific]

Is this war too far ahead for me to join or am I still able to

[Ranoria]

Is this war too far ahead for me to join or am I still able to

Actually, the land invasions are just about to start CONG! THIS GUY WANTS IN!
@Coalition-
xD is nobody even attacking Qiraibashi?

[The Commonwealth of the South Pacific]

Cool, I read the OP and since Qiraj is outnumbered I'm thinking of joining. I looked at the map of Qiraj but it doesn't show where camp Benevolence is, do you know where it is dude.

[The GAmeTopians]

Is this war too far ahead for me to join or am I still able to

Actually, the land invasions are just about to start CONG! THIS GUY WANTS IN!
@Coalition-
xD is nobody even attacking Qiraibashi?

I will be once my fleet arrives...

[New Finnish Republic]

Cool, I read the OP and since Qiraj is outnumbered I'm thinking of joining. I looked at the map of Qiraj but it doesn't show where camp Benevolence is, do you know where it is dude.

It's irrelevant as of now really. That situation is long over.

[The Commonwealth of the South Pacific]

So yeah, I'll get a post up on the IC

[Ranoria]

Cool, I read the OP and since Qiraj is outnumbered I'm thinking of joining. I looked at the map of Qiraj but it doesn't show where camp Benevolence is, do you know where it is dude.

Sic. We need more allies. Welcme aboard! I hope...