Benevolence's Vengeance (MT, OOC, Open)

[Mitheldalond]

We all know what forces (or naval forces at least) have been sent. It's not that much of a challenge to figure out which formation of ships is who's.

But that's completely irrelevant. Ranoria has no allied forces besides the Qiraji navy, and they don't have a carrier, and none of them are more than a couple hundred kilometers from shore while this battle is taking place a couple thousand kilometers from shore.

Besides, if what you say was true (it isn't), then you wouldn't have been able to attack him either because there would be no way for you to know he wasn't an ally. And his case for that argument would be much stronger than yours.

EDIT: And that's not what you've been saying. You've been saying that he couldn't know where you were.

Ranoria is not Qiraji's only ally by a long shot. Bullshit.
And in any case, I'm waiting on Ranoria not the other way around. I posted my destroyers going after his La Fayettes and my aircraft carrier starting to move, which it can do.

None of Qiraj's other allies have naval forces in the area

[The GAmeTopians]

Ranoria is not Qiraji's only ally by a long shot. Bullshit.
And in any case, I'm waiting on Ranoria not the other way around. I posted my destroyers going after his La Fayettes and my aircraft carrier starting to move, which it can do.

None of Qiraj's other allies have naval forces in the area

Bull. Both Hypsinar and Kelvinsi have naval forces that have been in the area for two days.

[Congreveopia]

None of Qiraj's other allies have naval forces in the area

Bull. Both Hypsinar and Kelvinsi have naval forces that have been in the area for two days.

Kevlinsi has submarines, not a fleet. Hypsinar's fleet has two carriers, whereas yours only has one. And irregardless, messages will have been relayed around the appropriate political subchannels to alert everyone who their allies are.

You are right that this war is more confusing them most, because the major belligerent Congreveopia made no official declaration of war, rather choosing to make a statement on the 7th declaring that the war began on the 4th, but each nation involved will manage to find a way of knowing who its allies are. Nobody is going to let their fleet wander into the middle of this without everyone understanding who should and should not shoot it (except Legatia, apparently).

Long story short: He knows where your fleet is. He knows it's not an ally. His satellites could not have seen that it launched planes until it was too late. He can figure out the planes probably came from your fleet, but its not outside the realm of possibility that they could have come from someone else's in the coalition and taken a roundabout route.

[Mitheldalond]

None of Qiraj's other allies have naval forces in the area

Bull. Both Hypsinar and Kelvinsi have naval forces that have been in the area for two days.

Kelvinsi has submarines that have been doing literally nothing but hiding on the bottom of the ocean.

Hypsinar probably needs a retcon because there's literally no way his fleet has been in the area for days without getting the same treatment Ranoria's fleet just did. And if it was, he would be able to tell the Ranorians who and where you are. Not that they'd need it, since as I already pointed out, its not hard to figure out which formation of ships is whose.

Either Ranoria knows where your ships are, and whose they are, or you don't know where his ships are or whose they are. Same goes for me. And since we're not retconning out the last two pages of IC naval battle, Ranoria knows where and who you are and can shoot at you.

Now unless you want me to go all Senkaku on you, I suggest you stop with all the stupid arguments. You made the tactical mistake of putting your ships within the Ranorian fleet's firing range, now you have to deal with the consequences of that mistake, namely the large number of missiles he fired at you.

[The GAmeTopians]

We all know what forces (or naval forces at least) have been sent. It's not that much of a challenge to figure out which formation of ships is who's.

But that's completely irrelevant. Ranoria has no allied forces besides the Qiraji navy, and they don't have a carrier, and none of them are more than a couple hundred kilometers from shore while this battle is taking place a couple thousand kilometers from shore.

Besides, if what you say was true (it isn't), then you wouldn't have been able to attack him either because there would be no way for you to know he wasn't an ally. And his case for that argument would be much stronger than yours.

EDIT: And that's not what you've been saying. You've been saying that he couldn't know where you were.

Ranoria is not Qiraji's only ally by a long shot. Bullshit.
And in any case, I'm waiting on Ranoria not the other way around. I posted my destroyers going after his La Fayettes and my aircraft carrier starting to move, which it can do.

back the fuck off.

[Senkaku]

None of Qiraj's other allies have naval forces in the area

Bull. Both Hypsinar and Kelvinsi have naval forces that have been in the area for two days.

I have serious doubts that Ranorian high command, idiotic though it may be, could possibly be ignorant enough to confuse your fleet for allied ships. Messages have been relayed through appropriate political channels, as Cong said, and Qiraj (and probably Ranoria, since they committed to an alliance) will have been monitoring the coalition and the fleet's being assembled for it.

This is even dumber than Ranoria proposing to "colonize" me over Stavka asking for a unified command. Seriously, with satellites, radar, radio, and fucking binoculars, it is known that the Gametopian fleet is here and pretty much where they are. Now chill the fuck out and stop saying stupid-ass things, please.

[Military Democracy of Birtonia]

Can we fucking go back to RP'ing?

[The United Remnants of America]

Can we fucking go back to RP'ing?

Can we RP'ing go back to fucking?

[New Finnish Republic]

Sen would you mind replying to my question on what you're wanting to do with my Spec Op unit?

[Military Democracy of Birtonia]

Can we fucking go back to RP'ing?

Can we RP'ing go back to fucking?

I mean yeah, I guess

[Senkaku]

Can we fucking go back to RP'ing?

I shall not rest until my enemies are driven before me, their cities burned, their people slaughtered like sheep and driven to the five horizons, their armies shattered before me, and their womenfolk and children enslaved.

Sen would you mind replying to my question on what you're wanting to do with my Spec Op unit?

I'm thinking a few hundred soldiers arrive and besiege them and eventually either kill them all or capture them, and maybe a few somehow slip away. Obviously because they're such amazing spec ops soldiers they'd take a fair amount of Qiraji down, but they're majorly outnumbered.

[Senkaku]

Death to Stupid Shit, Chapter One: The Flail of God

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"I am the flail of God. If you had not created great sins, God would not have sent me to punish you."

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I will keep this up for as long as it takes. As I said to Birt, my pursuit shall be as unceasing as the light of the Sun and Moon, and no matter if it takes ten thousand years, I shall have my victory.

*sigh*
I understant that you can get back and make a response. On the other hand, you wouldn't have been fortifying Qiraibashi, you would've been desperately defending it. Which would you prefer? Fortifications or slim to none?
As for the ESPRs, its nothing special to see someone make a move to raise their gun or to telegraph said movement beforehand. I clarified their names because you asked.


Like I said, I'm completely willing to hand over command.
As for the taking Qiraj thing, it means a big fat conquest.

I'm getting really fucking sick and fucking tired of this fucking bullshit. Now, let's get down to business.

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I understant

Clearly you understand nothing about any of this based on the rest of your response. Or rather, under"stant", whatever that means.

On the other hand, you wouldn't have been fortifying Qiraibashi, you would've been desperately defending it.

Once again, you utterly fail to comprehend even the slimmest pale shade of the concept of OOC and IC separation. At this point, I fucking give up- however, allow me to mention that in both War Drums and The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, I mentioned that the Red Army was in fact doing guess what? Fortifying Ardakan and Qiraibashi. So, since you cannot grasp one of the simplest, basest concepts of NS RPing, let me put it that way. It's already done/in progress. You posting about it while I was gone is not necessary for the city to be fortified for the eventual allied attack.

Which would you prefer? Fortifications or slim to none?

As I just goddamnmotherfucking explained, me leaving for a week does not fucking preclude the construction of fortifications in the IC, and even if it did, it wouldn't be an issue because I've already written about it. When I left, STAVKA did not just go dark for a few hours in IC time.

As for the ESPRs, its nothing special to see someone make a move to raise their gun or to telegraph said movement beforehand.

However, it is very special to be able to see all forty men in a group and shoot all of them before any of them can manage to draw a weapon (especially when they have armored vehicles and helicopters with mounted weapons).

I clarified their names because you asked.

I did not ask, I do not care, and I will continue referring to them however the fuck I please. Right now that is ESP Rangers, but there's also the idea of Extra-atmospheric Shithead Power Rangers, or something along those lines.

Like I said, I'm completely willing to hand over command.

And yet, in the IC, there are armed officers of the Red Army Political Department presently encountering resistance from Ranorian officers regarding this very transaction. How peculiar. I suppose we'll never know why.

As for the taking Qiraj thing, it means a big fat conquest.

Ah, yes, because just straight-up conquering countries is so simple. I'm glad that's such a straightforward, doable, and realistic task that your nation could definitely accomplish, without any issues whatsoever.

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[Hypsinar]

Well..... not much can be said about the last few posts.

[Mitheldalond]

Ranoria is not Qiraji's only ally by a long shot. Bullshit.
And in any case, I'm waiting on Ranoria not the other way around. I posted my destroyers going after his La Fayettes and my aircraft carrier starting to move, which it can do.

back the fuck off.

This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, and also completely wrong. You haven't even responded to Ranoria's attack on your fleet from his first post in the naval battle.

[The GAmeTopians]

back the fuck off.

This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, and also completely wrong. You haven't even responded to Ranoria's attack on your fleet from his first post in the naval battle.

Guided missiles aren't going to hit right off. And there's only been one post directed to me as far as a naval battle.

[Congreveopia]

To begin with, Ranoria, I need to see some evidence that you understand that time can pass OOC/IRL without time passing in the IC. If you remain unclear on this point, that's approaching grounds for me removing you from this RP. You can argue with Senkaku about your ESPRs' capabilities, the conquerable-ness of nations, and whether you're handing over command until the entire universe is a uniform temperature, but if you're unclear on the very basic mechanics of RPing, then there's a serious problem.

Can we fucking go back to RP'ing?

Can we RP'ing go back to fucking?

Not if the mods have anything to say about it, no.

In reality, though, I'm eager to begin the invasion as well. The next step in that is any coalition nation that wants to post launching cruise missiles should post that, like Tekkit has done. Then Senkaku should respond to all that. Then Hale Isles is putting some frigging boots on some frigging ground come hell or high water. I've seen too many RPs die because the intro took forever to let the IC flounder around with pre-invasion much longer. The pre-invasion posts are all good, but there are a bunch of nations that can only get involved when we actually invade.

[Congreveopia]

Why is this written in size 299? Chapter Zero: Congreveopia nicks Senkaku's formatting and double posts

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"Did you guys know that we've been exploring mars for 50 years now?"

GTS Spear, 700 Hours ... The carrier stopped roughly 500 miles from the enemy fleet...

~0820 hours
Ranorian Fleet, within 60 km of Gametopian Fleet

Something went seriously wrong here. The fastest armed watercraft in the world is the Skjold-class corvette, which achieved 63 knots in a brief sprint. These posts suggest that the Ranorian fleet achieved an average speed of 301.6 knots during the time between 0700 hours and 0820 hours (beating the top speed of the world's fastest watercraft by 46.79 kilometers per hour!), which is not going to happen even if the fleet is fired out of some sort of nuke powered cannon. The GAmetopian fleet is the fleet launching this attack, so it gets to decide how close it wants to gets before it engages. Hence, I'm deciding this in favor of GAmeTopia: the GAmeTopian and Ranorian fleets were 500 miles apart as of 0700 hours, and, as such, the Ranorian fleet could not get closer than 742.9 kilometers by 0820 hours, assuming a stationary GAmeTopian fleet. (The limiting factor for the Ranorian fleet is the reported top speed of an Ohio class submarine being 25 knots.)

The missiles were ago, each Zumwalt letting loose 10 Tomohawks, 2 at each Gametopian warship, while the Kirovs fired off their own payloads, each firing a P-700 Granit 'Shipwreck' missile at each Gametopian ship and one more at the Carrier while the Davis Class Interceptors prepared to shoot down the enemy air wing, MiGs and F-18s right behind them, just waiting to swoop in and finish the fight.

742.9 kilometers is above the max range of the Granit. I'll let it slide if GAmeTopia will, but otherwise you should retcon to not have fired your Granits.

...The Hawks mowed through the enemy, reducing the [Ranorian] Air Force to mere husks in seconds...Meanwhile, the GAmeTopian naval fleet had sustained relatively minor injuries, most of the missiles missing or destroyed mid-flight by the defense systems...As the fighters were fired upon by the ships, they left the navy's range quickly..."Major Crick, what are the Hawk losses?" "The entirety of Hawks Eight and Nine, sir..."Attention Ranorian fleet! Surrender now or be destroyed. I have both the means and motive to order it so. We do not need more blood spilled today, but I am giving you the choice. You have thirty seconds before we sink you for good if you do not surrender."

Now, this is a good summary and end post, assuming Ranoria agreed to the end results you posted:

• The GAmeTopian fleet is largely undamaged from the Ranorian missiles.
• Hawks 8 and 9 are destroyed.
• The Ranorian carrier's force of fighters is destroyed.
• The rest of the GAmeTopian fighters have escaped back out of range.

There was no reply. There was no halt to the AGS systems firing into the mass of planes fruitlessly, to no avail. No Ranorian would surrender. Ever. of course, they could allow the enemy onto their ship and fight, but deceit was another breach of honor. All guns continued to fire on the Gametopian planes. The Zumwalts sunk lower in the water to avoid being hit while the La Fayettes fired their 6 missiles each at the Gametopians.

Then there's this post. It conflicts with the idea that the battle's over, and assumes the GAmeTopian planes are still overhead. To me, this says "Ranoria didn't agree to GAmeTopia's summary prior to GAmeTopia posting it." If that's the case, then GAmeTopia is at fault for jumping his planes out of combat before Ranoria was done with them. Not giving enemy forces a chance to act is a godmod just as much as posting for them is. Ranoria is also at fault, here, though, because he should have confronted GAmeTopia clearly about this on the OOC, not made a further post that conflicts with what GAmeTopia established.

Alerted to the presence of the La Fayettes as soon as the first missile was launched, the aircraft carrier moved to he east instantly. Each of the four destroyers went after one La Fayette, ready to sink them. The destroyers' hi copters trailed above them as well, with aerial torpedoes ready to drop. Meanwhile the 70 remaining Hawks tore through the enemy fleet, each dropping a missile on a random ship. Half of Hawk Seven is destroyed by the gunfire, the rest of Hawk Seven does to take enough damage to be destroyed.

GAmeTopia then perpetuates this mess by making a post with his fighters that he previously established to have fled outside the Ranoiran navy's range.

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Summary, and how to solve this:

GAmeTopia, Ranoria, the fleets are 742.9 kilometers apart. I want you two to talk on the OOC and figure out what the end of this battle will look like for both of your forces. What fighters were shot down? What fighters survived? Which ships were sunk, and which are still afloat? How many missiles did each of you fire, and where did they come from? Once that's done, you can retcon backwards and/or post forwards to reach the conclusion you've both agreed to. Mitheldalond, I respectfully ask you to stay out of this. I understand that you were trying to help, and I bear you little to no ill will for events, but you engaged in this debate and things got worse. Now I want to see if GAmeTopia and Ranoria can put things back together without our help.

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To everyone:

Can we take a chill pill with regard to the tone and language of the OOC? There's been more swearing on the OOC than the IC, and the people on the IC are getting shot at. An RP is a collaborative exercise, and I want to imagine you all smiling when you make posts on the OOC, not glaring at each other. (And no, this isn't just directed at Senkaku for his ostentatious rebuttals to Ranoria those are (or at least were) written in the spirit of humor not hatred.)

[Military Democracy of Birtonia]

But the hatred is strong with this one

[Mitheldalond]

I shall bow to the wishes of the mighty and Benevolence OP. Praise be to him!

[The GAmeTopians]

I bow to no one!
Except to Our Lord and Savior the OP.

[Senkaku]

those are (or at least were) written in the spirit of humor not hatred.)

....I plead the Fifth.

[The Nation of Ceneria]

Oh, how I wish I had the range and assets to smack somebody... But my helicopters are still days away.

[Ranoria]

Bull. Both Hypsinar and Kelvinsi have naval forces that have been in the area for two days.

I have serious doubts that Ranorian high command, idiotic though it may be, could possibly be ignorant enough to confuse your fleet for allied ships. Messages have been relayed through appropriate political channels, as Cong said, and Qiraj (and probably Ranoria, since they committed to an alliance) will have been monitoring the coalition and the fleet's being assembled for it.

This is even dumber than Ranoria proposing to "colonize" me over Stavka asking for a unified command. Seriously, with satellites, radar, radio, and fucking binoculars, it is known that the Gametopian fleet is here and pretty much where they are. Now chill the fuck out and stop saying stupid-ass things, please.

...For the...what, FOURTH time, I'm not going to colonize you if you don't attacke me.
I dont have time to scan much more, maybe later, got home just a few minutes ago. Gotta shower and do HW. AND get some god damn food. And make sure my knee isn't at risk of popping out.
WONDERFUL DAy.
If someone posted on the IC sorry if I dont reply tonight.

[New Finnish Republic]

Can we take a chill pill with regard to the tone and language of the OOC? There's been more swearing on the OOC than the IC, and the people on the IC are getting shot at.

Regarding the squabble that has become our OOC, allow me to say one thing. *Ahem* Vittu, vituttaa niin vitusti!

There, now all cursing (ooc related) is out of my system.

[Ranoria]

Can we take a chill pill with regard to the tone and language of the OOC? There's been more swearing on the OOC than the IC, and the people on the IC are getting shot at.

Regarding the squabble that has become our OOC, allow me to say one thing. *Ahem* Vittu, vituttaa niin vitusti!

There, now all cursing (ooc related) is out of my system.

Oh, oh thank the lord there were no posts. I'm so tired. Nite!..
ah, no sleeping emoji...
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