Benevolence's Vengeance (MT, OOC, Open)

[New Finnish Republic]

So am I still waiting,
For this world to stop hating.
Can't find a good reason,
Can't find hope to believe in.

But really. Emphasis on the still waiting. But meh, nothing I can do with my limited armaments.

Order your men to bayonet charge our warships via paddle boats.

That would be interesting

[The Oan Isles]

On April 8th 1700 Hours a Hale Isles drone accidentally destroyed an Oan school tour bus and killed 15 people, a response from the Oan government is still forthcoming. In my next post I'll call for negotiations.

[Ranoria]

So am I still waiting,
For this world to stop hating.
Can't find a good reason,
Can't find hope to believe in.

But really. Emphasis on the still waiting. But meh, nothing I can do with my limited armaments.

Order your men to bayonet charge our warships via paddle boats.

That would be interesting

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Ive been wondering what to do with the maggots flooding my prisons
COOOONG
PERMISSION TO SEND IN 1,500,000 prisoners arriving within the minute to bayonet charge the coalition navy with 1776 muskets and paddle boats! 20 men per big old paddle boat!
Kinda kidding kinda not.

[Congreveopia]

On April 8th 1700 Hours a Hale Isles drone accidentally destroyed an Oan school tour bus and killed 15 people, a response from the Oan government is still forthcoming. In my next post I'll call for negotiations.

April 8th 1700 hours is before my forces arrived, and you should consult with Hale Isles (me) before roleplaying his forces anyways, otherwise you're godmodding.

I'm going to sleep now, but we can work something out in the morning. I'd rather not make you delete your entire post, but it doesn't fit with events in its current state.

[Senkaku]

@Cong, regarding fear vs. loyalty: The Qiraji army is actually inspired by patriotism and loyalty, but Supreme Command and the Party have more of a "trust, but verify" attitude on said patriotism and loyalty. They've seen military coups end a lot of other regimes, thus firm political controls.

On April 8th 1700 Hours a Hale Isles drone accidentally destroyed an Oan school tour bus and killed 15 people, a response from the Oan government is still forthcoming. In my next post I'll call for negotiations.

Why on Earth is a Hales Isles drones somehow over Farahan. Why is a tour bus full of foreign children travelling through the city at such a volatile time. Why are those children even still in the country with all the tensions. Does Qiraj even have a program where they could be in the country. Why did you do this without consulting literally anyone beforehand.

So many questions. Please. Think things the fuck through before you post them, people.

[The Oan Isles]

I was referring a previous attack by your (Hale Isles) drones.

[Ranoria]

On April 8th 1700 Hours a Hale Isles drone accidentally destroyed an Oan school tour bus and killed 15 people, a response from the Oan government is still forthcoming. In my next post I'll call for negotiations.

April 8th 1700 hours is before my forces arrived, and you should consult with Hale Isles (me) before roleplaying his forces anyways, otherwise you're godmodding.

I'm going to sleep now, but we can work something out in the morning. I'd rather not make you delete your entire post, but it doesn't fit with events in its current state.

NUUUUUUU COOOOOONG
actually I am too so cya guys

[New Finnish Republic]

Mind answering my question Sen?

[The Oan Isles]

@Cong, regarding fear vs. loyalty: The Qiraji army is actually inspired by patriotism and loyalty, but Supreme Command and the Party have more of a "trust, but verify" attitude on said patriotism and loyalty. They've seen military coups end a lot of other regimes, thus firm political controls.

On April 8th 1700 Hours a Hale Isles drone accidentally destroyed an Oan school tour bus and killed 15 people, a response from the Oan government is still forthcoming. In my next post I'll call for negotiations.

Why on Earth is a Hales Isles drones somehow over Farahan. Why is a tour bus full of foreign children travelling through the city at such a volatile time. Why are those children even still in the country with all the tensions. Does Qiraj even have a program where they could be in the country. Why did you do this without consulting literally anyone beforehand.

So many questions. Please. Think things the fuck through before you post them, people.

It'll be fascinating to find out why afterwards. It seemed logical at the time sorry. I didn't think that minutia such as those required extensive negotiation. Sorry.

[Senkaku]

Sen Makes Sashimi Out of Silliness: Installation Two- The Blue Tortoise of Justice

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"The Blue Tortoise of Justice watcheth over all Internet forums, ready to strike wherever injustice or stupidity doth emerge." Sen 9:99

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Whelp, you made me make a second one. You're in for it now.
*Sen unleashes the Blue Tortoise of Justice*

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Well, technically speaking, if they can rotate fast enough to stay focused on a point on the surface of the planet zipping past beneath them, they could just as easily focus on an object moving across the planet's surface at mach 1.6.

The problem is that they can't possibly scan that much ocean, and be detailed enough to see an object the size of an airplane, and be fast enough to finish taking their picture before the plane is gone. A satellite can have one of those attributes. Maybe some combinations of two with a lot of money and some very clever programming. Definitely not three.


I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?

For my part, I have a grand total of 0 cruise missiles in the Halian to contribute.

They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD

I did tell you I hated it when people doubled down on stupid things.

I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj.

"taking Qiraj"
In the same way Donald Trump is going to go to Iraq and "take away the oil"? Or in the same way shoplifters go into stores and take things? Please, I am confused. How exactly do you plan to just take a country of more than 70 million people with significant natural resources, military and intelligence assets, and foreign connections?

And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it.

You should deploy these guys everywhere then. They can immediately know when someone is about to shoot and instantly gun them down? That's like, fuckin' miraculous lah. Send them to police your cities. They're definitely ESP Rangers if they can just sense that shit.

In short, no, your soldiers are not going to stop forty motivated and well-equipped Political Department shock troopers, much less the entire Qiraji army or even the units just in Qiraibashi alone.

I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.

Because they are supposedly allies of the People's Democracy of Qiraj helping to defend it against third party attackers who their comrades at sea are actually presently already fighting.

I got back home at 8pm.

I too can sympathize with the difficulties caused by a demanding schedule, yet I fail to perceive the relevance of these difficulties on the discussion at hand.

Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.

Do you completely fail to understand some of the most basic principles of NS roleplaying? Based on what I'm reading here, it would appear so. So, allow yourself to be educated by the Blue Tortoise of Justice.

In NS, when players leave for periods of time, this is not known ICly. If I am playing a country in a P2TM RP, and leave for a few days, then by normal conventions long established in the RPing (that means roleplaying, by the way) community, that country is not suddenly helpless and open for anyone to pile on and gangbang it. When I return, I can make a response, based on the situation when I left and the events that have transpired over the IC amount of time that has passed since I left.

In NS, time doesn't pass the way it does here in the Real World! Instead, players can determine how fast or slow time passes. It's like one of those dreams that you can control, pretty fuckin' terrific. We're basically Timelords. Therefore, I could be gone for a week, and yet, as it has in the week I've been gone, the thread could advance by mere hours. This is because it would be very impractical for many reasons to have time work the way it does IRL (that means in real life, by the way).

So, regarding giving "me" command (it wouldn't really be me, understand, because I'm not a character in Qiraji Supreme Command), it doesn't actually matter if you had spent the entire last week constantly posting about building fortification. Everything you possibly could have posted would only have occurred over a matter of hours (the amount of time that's passed in the IC since I left), and I could've just summarized it (and honestly written it better, if I'm being snarky, which I definitely am at this point).

PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD

Allow me to be antagonistic, because I'm feeling a bit irritated: I could not give fewer fucks about the name of your absurd special operations soldiers.

[The Oan Isles]

On April 8th 1700 Hours a Hale Isles drone accidentally destroyed an Oan school tour bus and killed 15 people, a response from the Oan government is still forthcoming. In my next post I'll call for negotiations.

April 8th 1700 hours is before my forces arrived, and you should consult with Hale Isles (me) before roleplaying his forces anyways, otherwise you're godmodding.

I'm going to sleep now, but we can work something out in the morning. I'd rather not make you delete your entire post, but it doesn't fit with events in its current state.

I can adjust the time. That's why I emphisised accidental. Unforseen circumstances like a transmission error or something could have. That's why I'm not declaring war lefr right and center or remaining relatively vague on those details (Goodnight though it's morning where I am)

[The United Remnants of America]

So am I still waiting,
For this world to stop hating.
Can't find a good reason,
Can't find hope to believe in.

But really. Emphasis on the still waiting. But meh, nothing I can do with my limited armaments.

Where are your forces stationed? I'll have Alpha squad flee towards them.

The just west and just east of the capital, with a third unit nearing the eastern border.

[Senkaku]

Where are your forces stationed? I'll have Alpha squad flee towards them.

The just west and just east of the capital, with a third unit nearing the eastern border.

I think the capital is a bit far from where you're operating, Cong. You're on the coast of Farahan Governorate, in the Syrtij Delta. Kharsaan is hundreds of miles away.

[Senkaku]

April 8th 1700 hours is before my forces arrived, and you should consult with Hale Isles (me) before roleplaying his forces anyways, otherwise you're godmodding.

I'm going to sleep now, but we can work something out in the morning. I'd rather not make you delete your entire post, but it doesn't fit with events in its current state.

I can adjust the time. That's why I emphisised accidental. Unforseen circumstances like a transmission error or something could have. That's why I'm not declaring war lefr right and center or remaining relatively vague on those details (Goodnight though it's morning where I am)

I think you don't understand. The entire post is filled with unauthorized actions and other things.

[The Oan Isles]

I can adjust the time. That's why I emphisised accidental. Unforseen circumstances like a transmission error or something could have. That's why I'm not declaring war lefr right and center or remaining relatively vague on those details (Goodnight though it's morning where I am)

I think you don't understand. The entire post is filled with unauthorized actions and other things.

I was not aware that accidentally destroying a school tour bus for which no one was blamed or any action taken thereto would raise such a furor. I'll draw a line through it.

[Mizentia]

I'm honestly down to switch this to a great patriotic war in defense of petroleum flavored sovereignty

[Mitheldalond]

Ranoria have you seen this? It's rather relevant.

I don't think he quite understands what placing them under STAKVA command entails. I'm not entirely sure I do either. Do you intend to just tell them generally where they're needed and what you need them to do, or are planning on telling them how to deploy their forces and making other tactical decisions?

Stavka would be instructing them as to where they're needed in what numbers and capacities, giving them information regarding the rest of the Qiraji military's movements and Qiraj's other allies so they could better cooperate, telling them how to build and man fortifications to fit in with the Red Army's networks, et cetera. Certain amounts of leeway and disgression would be left to their commanders, obviously, as foreign allies, and they wouldn't have political oversight (although at this point, the Political Department or State Security might have some covert personnel penetrate their organization to monitor things given how problematic they've been).

Essentially, Qiraj wants a unified command under their control so they can best organize a single cohesive defense. They'll leave some things to the local commanders, but they just want control of the forces that are being used to defend the country. The problem right now with Kelvinsian and Ranorian forces (Ranorian forces are disobeying more actively and based off what I've read actually roughed up some Qiraji officers, and are likely actively disrupting the Red Army) is that they're building fortifications and stuff that don't mesh at all with what the Red Army is trying to build, and they're getting in the way of Qiraji forces. Their experience and equipment is valued, but they need to be helping, not making the Red Army's job harder.

And Sen, you get ALL THE BROWNIE POINTS for The Lord of the Rings and music, plus a few extra for the Doctor Who reference.

Also, out of curiosity, did we ever find out why Qiraj shot down Benevolence after agreeing to its presence in the first place?

[Ranoria]

Sen Makes Sashimi Out of Silliness: Installation Two- The Blue Tortoise of Justice

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"The Blue Tortoise of Justice watcheth over all Internet forums, ready to strike wherever injustice or stupidity doth emerge." Sen 9:99

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Whelp, you made me make a second one. You're in for it now.
*Sen unleashes the Blue Tortoise of Justice*

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They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD

I did tell you I hated it when people doubled down on stupid things.

I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj.

"taking Qiraj"
In the same way Donald Trump is going to go to Iraq and "take away the oil"? Or in the same way shoplifters go into stores and take things? Please, I am confused. How exactly do you plan to just take a country of more than 70 million people with significant natural resources, military and intelligence assets, and foreign connections?

And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it.

You should deploy these guys everywhere then. They can immediately know when someone is about to shoot and instantly gun them down? That's like, fuckin' miraculous lah. Send them to police your cities. They're definitely ESP Rangers if they can just sense that shit.

In short, no, your soldiers are not going to stop forty motivated and well-equipped Political Department shock troopers, much less the entire Qiraji army or even the units just in Qiraibashi alone.

I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.

Because they are supposedly allies of the People's Democracy of Qiraj helping to defend it against third party attackers who their comrades at sea are actually presently already fighting.

I got back home at 8pm.

I too can sympathize with the difficulties caused by a demanding schedule, yet I fail to perceive the relevance of these difficulties on the discussion at hand.

Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.

Do you completely fail to understand some of the most basic principles of NS roleplaying? Based on what I'm reading here, it would appear so. So, allow yourself to be educated by the Blue Tortoise of Justice.

In NS, when players leave for periods of time, this is not known ICly. If I am playing a country in a P2TM RP, and leave for a few days, then by normal conventions long established in the RPing (that means roleplaying, by the way) community, that country is not suddenly helpless and open for anyone to pile on and gangbang it. When I return, I can make a response, based on the situation when I left and the events that have transpired over the IC amount of time that has passed since I left.

In NS, time doesn't pass the way it does here in the Real World! Instead, players can determine how fast or slow time passes. It's like one of those dreams that you can control, pretty fuckin' terrific. We're basically Timelords. Therefore, I could be gone for a week, and yet, as it has in the week I've been gone, the thread could advance by mere hours. This is because it would be very impractical for many reasons to have time work the way it does IRL (that means in real life, by the way).

So, regarding giving "me" command (it wouldn't really be me, understand, because I'm not a character in Qiraji Supreme Command), it doesn't actually matter if you had spent the entire last week constantly posting about building fortification. Everything you possibly could have posted would only have occurred over a matter of hours (the amount of time that's passed in the IC since I left), and I could've just summarized it (and honestly written it better, if I'm being snarky, which I definitely am at this point).

PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD

Allow me to be antagonistic, because I'm feeling a bit irritated: I could not give fewer fucks about the name of your absurd special operations soldiers.

*sigh*
I understant that you can get back and make a response. On the other hand, you wouldn't have been fortifying Qiraibashi, you would've been desperately defending it. Which would you prefer? Fortifications or slim to none?
As for the ESPRs, its nothing special to see someone make a move to raise their gun or to telegraph said movement beforehand. I clarified their names because you asked.

Ranoria have you seen this? It's rather relevant.

Stavka would be instructing them as to where they're needed in what numbers and capacities, giving them information regarding the rest of the Qiraji military's movements and Qiraj's other allies so they could better cooperate, telling them how to build and man fortifications to fit in with the Red Army's networks, et cetera. Certain amounts of leeway and disgression would be left to their commanders, obviously, as foreign allies, and they wouldn't have political oversight (although at this point, the Political Department or State Security might have some covert personnel penetrate their organization to monitor things given how problematic they've been).

Essentially, Qiraj wants a unified command under their control so they can best organize a single cohesive defense. They'll leave some things to the local commanders, but they just want control of the forces that are being used to defend the country. The problem right now with Kelvinsian and Ranorian forces (Ranorian forces are disobeying more actively and based off what I've read actually roughed up some Qiraji officers, and are likely actively disrupting the Red Army) is that they're building fortifications and stuff that don't mesh at all with what the Red Army is trying to build, and they're getting in the way of Qiraji forces. Their experience and equipment is valued, but they need to be helping, not making the Red Army's job harder.

And Sen, you get ALL THE BROWNIE POINTS for The Lord of the Rings and music, plus a few extra for the Doctor Who reference.

Also, out of curiosity, did we ever find out why Qiraj shot down Benevolence after agreeing to its presence in the first place?

Like I said, I'm completely willing to hand over command.
As for the taking Qiraj thing, it means a big fat conquest.

[The GAmeTopians]

Well, technically speaking, if they can rotate fast enough to stay focused on a point on the surface of the planet zipping past beneath them, they could just as easily focus on an object moving across the planet's surface at mach 1.6.

The problem is that they can't possibly scan that much ocean, and be detailed enough to see an object the size of an airplane, and be fast enough to finish taking their picture before the plane is gone. A satellite can have one of those attributes. Maybe some combinations of two with a lot of money and some very clever programming. Definitely not three.


I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?

For my part, I have a grand total of 0 cruise missiles in the Halian to contribute.

They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD
*****EDIT:YAYDARTHVADERTHEME

They're also likely not able to see the planes launching at that speed (Aircraft launch at very high speeds off of aircraft carriers), and the aircraft are stored in closed hangars on the carrier, so to you it would appear my carrier was just sitting in the water.

[Congreveopia]

I think you don't understand. The entire post is filled with unauthorized actions and other things.

I was not aware that accidentally destroying a school tour bus for which no one was blamed or any action taken thereto would raise such a furor. I'll draw a line through it.

Okay, let's sit down and talk this out, people.

Firstly, there's nothing wrong with you choosing to lose a bus of yours. That's well within your rights as an RPer. The problem is "godmodding" or controlling someone else's troops without their permission. Typically, godmodding occurs when one RPer kills the troops of another RPer in a post, without checking that it's okay first, but really any instance where you control someone else's troops is godmodding.

So, in this situation, my special forces and their associated drones were my troops, but you controlled one of the drones to make it destroy your bus without me agreeing to let you do that. To a lesser extent, you also tacitly controlled Qiraj government because you suggested that they wouldn't do anything to remove a bus full of children from a war zone, but that's not such a big deal.

Secondly, your post conflicts with pre-established details in the RP. There isn't really a nice concise term for this, like there is for godmodding that I'm aware of, but its a problem nonetheless. Firstly, 1700 hours on the 8th of April is too early for my special forces to have arrived in the nation, and secondly, all their drones were accounted for (four blew up Qiraji military targets, two were shot down and crashed), so there wasn't a rogue one flying around that could have hit the bus. Thirdly, as a minor point, nations outside the coalition don't know what nation's responsible for what attacks, so you shouldn't have known that the drone was Halian.

Now, I'm not angry here, because I believe that you are trying to roleplay correctly, and I cannot stress how important that is enough. As long as I believe that you are trying to RP well, I'm here to help you deal with faults like these in your posts. At the point where I think someone is deliberately messing with things, I'm no longer the caring nurturing OP, and I'm instead out for blood, but you don't have to worry about that yet.

So, let's see what we can do to fix this post, shall we?

The lowest-effort way to fix things is to find a realistic way for one of my drones to have actually hit your bus and then just retcon my post so that that happened. Unfortunately, the drones hitting or missing their targets is pretty central to the plotline of my post, so the only real option there is that one of the drones that was shot down hit your bus. The shot drones die pretty quickly, though, for reasons*, so the bus would have had to be within around 100 meters of the SAM site during the middle of the night, and I don't really feel like there's any reasonable explanation for that.

This gets us into higher-effort ways of correcting things; meaning that you'll have to delete and rewrite your post because there's no way for it to agree with the story thus far. If we accept that you need to rewrite your post, then there are a bunch of ways to achieve roughly the same result: my soldiers could steal the bus to escape from the Qirajis after their car breaks down; the Birtonian airplane's debris could destroy the bus; NFR's troops could destroy the bus somehow in their firefight with Qiraji forces; the bus could be destroyed by a damaged/confused missile during the initial bombardment of Qiraj. Do any of these options (or anything you can think of) sound interesting to you, or shall we keep looking for another solution?

*Specifically, they don't know they've been hit, so they can't correct properly. Both the drones that went down were shot in the wing, and neither shot hit anything critical. They could have kept flying with the damage if they were programmed to, but they weren't. The hole in the wing increased drag on the wing, which meant that wing slowed down, and the airplane turned in the direction of the damaged wing. The drones interpreted this as the wind pushing them off course, so they made a turn to correct it. Seeing as they don't have rudders, this turn meant raising the damaged wing and lowering the undamaged wing, which increases drag on the damaged wing and slows it down further. This causes a positive feedback loop leading to the damaged wing stalling and the drone losing control. Similarly, quadrotor UAVs can actually fly with one rotor missing, but they need to know its missing, or they'll just do a backflip and die.

They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD
*****EDIT:YAYDARTHVADERTHEME

They're also likely not able to see the planes launching at that speed (Aircraft launch at very high speeds off of aircraft carriers), and the aircraft are stored in closed hangars on the carrier, so to you it would appear my carrier was just sitting in the water.

I thought aircraft carriers typically kept planes on deck in times of battle because it was faster to launch that way. I could well be wrong, though. And it's a moot point because either way his satellites don't have the imaging frequency to warn him about your aircraft.

[The Oan Isles]

I was not aware that accidentally destroying a school tour bus for which no one was blamed or any action taken thereto would raise such a furor. I'll draw a line through it.

Okay, let's sit down and talk this out, people.

Firstly, there's nothing wrong with you choosing to lose a bus of yours. That's well within your rights as an RPer. The problem is "godmodding" or controlling someone else's troops without their permission. Typically, godmodding occurs when one RPer kills the troops of another RPer in a post, without checking that it's okay first, but really any instance where you control someone else's troops is godmodding.

So, in this situation, my special forces and their associated drones were my troops, but you controlled one of the drones to make it destroy your bus without me agreeing to let you do that. To a lesser extent, you also tacitly controlled Qiraj government because you suggested that they wouldn't do anything to remove a bus full of children from a war zone, but that's not such a big deal.

Secondly, your post conflicts with pre-established details in the RP. There isn't really a nice concise term for this, like there is for godmodding that I'm aware of, but its a problem nonetheless. Firstly, 1700 hours on the 8th of April is too early for my special forces to have arrived in the nation, and secondly, all their drones were accounted for (four blew up Qiraji military targets, two were shot down and crashed), so there wasn't a rogue one flying around that could have hit the bus. Thirdly, as a minor point, nations outside the coalition don't know what nation's responsible for what attacks, so you shouldn't have known that the drone was Halian.

Now, I'm not angry here, because I believe that you are trying to roleplay correctly, and I cannot stress how important that is enough. As long as I believe that you are trying to RP well, I'm here to help you deal with faults like these in your posts. At the point where I think someone is deliberately messing with things, I'm no longer the caring nurturing OP, and I'm instead out for blood, but you don't have to worry about that yet.

So, let's see what we can do to fix this post, shall we?

The lowest-effort way to fix things is to find a realistic way for one of my drones to have actually hit your bus and then just retcon my post so that that happened. Unfortunately, the drones hitting or missing their targets is pretty central to the plotline of my post, so the only real option there is that one of the drones that was shot down hit your bus. The shot drones die pretty quickly, though, for reasons*, so the bus would have had to be within around 100 meters of the SAM site during the middle of the night, and I don't really feel like there's any reasonable explanation for that.

This gets us into higher-effort ways of correcting things; meaning that you'll have to delete and rewrite your post because there's no way for it to agree with the story thus far. If we accept that you need to rewrite your post, then there are a bunch of ways to achieve roughly the same result: my soldiers could steal the bus to escape from the Qirajis after their car breaks down; the Birtonian airplane's debris could destroy the bus; NFR's troops could destroy the bus somehow in their firefight with Qiraji forces; the bus could be destroyed by a damaged/confused missile during the initial bombardment of Qiraj. Do any of these options (or anything you can think of) sound interesting to you, or shall we keep looking for another solution?

*Specifically, they don't know they've been hit, so they can't correct properly. Both the drones that went down were shot in the wing, and neither shot hit anything critical. They could have kept flying with the damage if they were programmed to, but they weren't. The hole in the wing increased drag on the wing, which meant that wing slowed down, and the airplane turned in the direction of the damaged wing. The drones interpreted this as the wind pushing them off course, so they made a turn to correct it. Seeing as they don't have rudders, this turn meant raising the damaged wing and lowering the undamaged wing, which increases drag on the damaged wing and slows it down further. This causes a positive feedback loop leading to the damaged wing stalling and the drone losing control. Similarly, quadrotor UAVs can actually fly with one rotor missing, but they need to know its missing, or they'll just do a backflip and die.

They're also likely not able to see the planes launching at that speed (Aircraft launch at very high speeds off of aircraft carriers), and the aircraft are stored in closed hangars on the carrier, so to you it would appear my carrier was just sitting in the water.

I thought aircraft carriers typically kept planes on deck in times of battle because it was faster to launch that way. I could well be wrong, though. And it's a moot point because either way his satellites don't have the imaging frequency to warn him about your aircraft.

Thanks cool I'm sorry shup.
EDIT: bye guys have fun

[Mitheldalond]

I was not aware that accidentally destroying a school tour bus for which no one was blamed or any action taken thereto would raise such a furor. I'll draw a line through it.

Okay, let's sit down and talk this out, people.

Firstly, there's nothing wrong with you choosing to lose a bus of yours. That's well within your rights as an RPer. The problem is "godmodding" or controlling someone else's troops without their permission. Typically, godmodding occurs when one RPer kills the troops of another RPer in a post, without checking that it's okay first, but really any instance where you control someone else's troops is godmodding.

So, in this situation, my special forces and their associated drones were my troops, but you controlled one of the drones to make it destroy your bus without me agreeing to let you do that. To a lesser extent, you also tacitly controlled Qiraj government because you suggested that they wouldn't do anything to remove a bus full of children from a war zone, but that's not such a big deal.

Secondly, your post conflicts with pre-established details in the RP. There isn't really a nice concise term for this, like there is for godmodding that I'm aware of, but its a problem nonetheless. Firstly, 1700 hours on the 8th of April is too early for my special forces to have arrived in the nation, and secondly, all their drones were accounted for (four blew up Qiraji military targets, two were shot down and crashed), so there wasn't a rogue one flying around that could have hit the bus. Thirdly, as a minor point, nations outside the coalition don't know what nation's responsible for what attacks, so you shouldn't have known that the drone was Halian.

Now, I'm not angry here, because I believe that you are trying to roleplay correctly, and I cannot stress how important that is enough. As long as I believe that you are trying to RP well, I'm here to help you deal with faults like these in your posts. At the point where I think someone is deliberately messing with things, I'm no longer the caring nurturing OP, and I'm instead out for blood, but you don't have to worry about that yet.

So, let's see what we can do to fix this post, shall we?

The lowest-effort way to fix things is to find a realistic way for one of my drones to have actually hit your bus and then just retcon my post so that that happened. Unfortunately, the drones hitting or missing their targets is pretty central to the plotline of my post, so the only real option there is that one of the drones that was shot down hit your bus. The shot drones die pretty quickly, though, for reasons*, so the bus would have had to be within around 100 meters of the SAM site during the middle of the night, and I don't really feel like there's any reasonable explanation for that.

This gets us into higher-effort ways of correcting things; meaning that you'll have to delete and rewrite your post because there's no way for it to agree with the story thus far. If we accept that you need to rewrite your post, then there are a bunch of ways to achieve roughly the same result: my soldiers could steal the bus to escape from the Qirajis after their car breaks down; the Birtonian airplane's debris could destroy the bus; NFR's troops could destroy the bus somehow in their firefight with Qiraji forces; the bus could be destroyed by a damaged/confused missile during the initial bombardment of Qiraj. Do any of these options (or anything you can think of) sound interesting to you, or shall we keep looking for another solution?

*Specifically, they don't know they've been hit, so they can't correct properly. Both the drones that went down were shot in the wing, and neither shot hit anything critical. They could have kept flying with the damage if they were programmed to, but they weren't. The hole in the wing increased drag on the wing, which meant that wing slowed down, and the airplane turned in the direction of the damaged wing. The drones interpreted this as the wind pushing them off course, so they made a turn to correct it. Seeing as they don't have rudders, this turn meant raising the damaged wing and lowering the undamaged wing, which increases drag on the damaged wing and slows it down further. This causes a positive feedback loop leading to the damaged wing stalling and the drone losing control. Similarly, quadrotor UAVs can actually fly with one rotor missing, but they need to know its missing, or they'll just do a backflip and die.

They're also likely not able to see the planes launching at that speed (Aircraft launch at very high speeds off of aircraft carriers), and the aircraft are stored in closed hangars on the carrier, so to you it would appear my carrier was just sitting in the water.

I thought aircraft carriers typically kept planes on deck in times of battle because it was faster to launch that way. I could well be wrong, though. And it's a moot point because either way his satellites don't have the imaging frequency to warn him about your aircraft.

A third alternative would be for him to have orchestrated the attack himself, as an excuse to blame Hale Isles to gain public support in his country for a war against Hale (or in support of Qiraj). Or possibly the attack never occurred, and he just made the story up to gain support for the war.

Carriers usually have aircraft on deck, because it is faster, but also because some or many carriers don't have enough space in their hangars for their entire air wing. If the satellite has enough resolution, it could probably see aircraft on the deck, and if its really lucky might catch one on the catapult prior to launch. Not that it would necessarily need to; if there's an enemy carrier in the area, you should be prepared and looking for an air attack anyway.

My assumption was that the satellites being used were good enough to give us a rough idea of where all our fleets were, and that was about it. Besides, most satellites take about 90 minutes to complete an orbit, so you're only getting a picture or two of an area from them once every 90 minutes.

[The GAmeTopians]

What I'm saying is, there's no way of knowing I'm not an ally! Therefore, since all I did was air attack, he can't just go and attack my fleet.

[Mitheldalond]

What I'm saying is, there's no way of knowing I'm not an ally! Therefore, since all I did was air attack, he can't just go and attack my fleet.

We all know what forces (or naval forces at least) have been sent. It's not that much of a challenge to figure out which formation of ships is who's.

But that's completely irrelevant. Ranoria has no allied forces besides the Qiraji navy, and they don't have a carrier, and none of them are more than a couple hundred kilometers from shore while this battle is taking place a couple thousand kilometers from shore.

Besides, if what you say was true (it isn't), then you wouldn't have been able to attack him either because there would be no way for you to know he wasn't an ally. And his case for that argument would be much stronger than yours.

EDIT: And that's not what you've been saying. You've been saying that he couldn't know where you were.

[The GAmeTopians]

What I'm saying is, there's no way of knowing I'm not an ally! Therefore, since all I did was air attack, he can't just go and attack my fleet.

We all know what forces (or naval forces at least) have been sent. It's not that much of a challenge to figure out which formation of ships is who's.

But that's completely irrelevant. Ranoria has no allied forces besides the Qiraji navy, and they don't have a carrier, and none of them are more than a couple hundred kilometers from shore while this battle is taking place a couple thousand kilometers from shore.

Besides, if what you say was true (it isn't), then you wouldn't have been able to attack him either because there would be no way for you to know he wasn't an ally. And his case for that argument would be much stronger than yours.

EDIT: And that's not what you've been saying. You've been saying that he couldn't know where you were.

Ranoria is not Qiraji's only ally by a long shot. Bullshit.
And in any case, I'm waiting on Ranoria not the other way around. I posted my destroyers going after his La Fayettes and my aircraft carrier starting to move, which it can do.