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What should be done in Senkaku's absence?

Congreveopia tries to find some other nation to control Qiraj that is currently not involved with this RP
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Hypsinar controls Qiraj
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New Finnish Republic
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:42 pm

See this is where I was confused. The original plan was that's Tekkit's diversion was supposed to basically put the Qiraji forces away from the AO at least far enough away that our men could make it back to fall back. Also, aren't our planes supposed to be on route ready to begin aerial bombing of targets? Also Sen, can you give me exact numbers on your forces coming for my men as well as if you'd be so kind as to allow a few cruise missiles be allowed to be called on for fire support? My ships are armed with cruise missiles similar to the BrahMos, except a tad slower traveling at 2,800 km/h.
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Congreveopia
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Postby Congreveopia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:45 pm

Ranoria wrote:@Gametopia, satellites can easily see your fighters coming towards us from your fleet, and I was pretty much moving towards you from the beginning. Your fleet has a very low chance of taking non-critical damage, while mine is dead.

These are some satellites that I'd like to see then, because mine can't do that, and I'm reasonably certain I've invested a lot more in my space program than you have.

New Finnish Republic wrote:See this is where I was confused. The original plan was that's Tekkit's diversion was supposed to basically put the Qiraji forces away from the AO at least far enough away that our men could make it back to fall back. Also, aren't our planes supposed to be on route ready to begin aerial bombing of targets? Also Sen, can you give me exact numbers on your forces coming for my men as well as if you'd be so kind as to allow a few cruise missiles be allowed to be called on for fire support? My ships are armed with cruise missiles similar to the BrahMos, except a tad slower traveling at 2,800 km/h.

I thought Tekkit was just distracting the coastal defenses so that our forces could reach the shore.
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New Finnish Republic
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:03 pm

I might have to read through the IC again and confirm
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Postby The GAmeTopians » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:22 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
Ranoria wrote:@Gametopia, satellites can easily see your fighters coming towards us from your fleet, and I was pretty much moving towards you from the beginning. Your fleet has a very low chance of taking non-critical damage, while mine is dead.

These are some satellites that I'd like to see then, because mine can't do that, and I'm reasonably certain I've invested a lot more in my space program than you have.

New Finnish Republic wrote:See this is where I was confused. The original plan was that's Tekkit's diversion was supposed to basically put the Qiraji forces away from the AO at least far enough away that our men could make it back to fall back. Also, aren't our planes supposed to be on route ready to begin aerial bombing of targets? Also Sen, can you give me exact numbers on your forces coming for my men as well as if you'd be so kind as to allow a few cruise missiles be allowed to be called on for fire support? My ships are armed with cruise missiles similar to the BrahMos, except a tad slower traveling at 2,800 km/h.

I thought Tekkit was just distracting the coastal defenses so that our forces could reach the shore.

Yeah. Satellites CANNOT see something flying at Mach 1.6. Hence, you don't know I even exist yet.
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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:28 pm

Can I do something relevant

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Military Democracy of Birtonia
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Postby Military Democracy of Birtonia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:30 pm

Perhaps we should just move along to the invasion? It seems a bit messy now

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Congreveopia
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Postby Congreveopia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:32 pm

The GAmeTopians wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:These are some satellites that I'd like to see then, because mine can't do that, and I'm reasonably certain I've invested a lot more in my space program than you have.


I thought Tekkit was just distracting the coastal defenses so that our forces could reach the shore.

Yeah. Satellites CANNOT see something flying at Mach 1.6. Hence, you don't know I even exist yet.

Well, technically speaking, if they can rotate fast enough to stay focused on a point on the surface of the planet zipping past beneath them, they could just as easily focus on an object moving across the planet's surface at mach 1.6.

The problem is that they can't possibly scan that much ocean, and be detailed enough to see an object the size of an airplane, and be fast enough to finish taking their picture before the plane is gone. A satellite can have one of those attributes. Maybe some combinations of two with a lot of money and some very clever programming. Definitely not three.

Military Democracy of Birtonia wrote:Perhaps we should just move along to the invasion? It seems a bit messy now

I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?

For my part, I have a grand total of 0 cruise missiles in the Halian to contribute.
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New Finnish Republic
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:37 pm

Congreveopia wrote:I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?


If Sen is gracious enough to allow our Spec Ops to escape out of the area we might be able to. If not, we'll have to deal with the eventual firefight that will begin. Also, is nobody else posting their Spec Op attacks?
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:39 pm

Sen Makes Sashimi Out of Silliness: Installation One - The Scimitar of Righteousness

"The wheels of justice grind slowly, but when they get going they really like to run over silliness of Internet forums."




This post reminds me of the bad old days. Please do not make another of its like necessary.



Ranoria wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So, Ranoria. You're telling me that despite repeated requests from Qiraj- extremely polite and quiet up until now- your forces have refused to turn over command to Supreme Command and are now willing to switch sides and fight the Qiraji, just because they don't want a unified command? The national government, which has been directly lobbied now by the Qiraji Foreign Ministry, has refused to see reason? And even though your fleet is fighting and dying for the Motherland you want to jeopardize all of this?

Additionally, please stop underestimating the capacity of the Qiraji military. If fighting breaks out yes, it will be a slaughter, but not in the sense you seem to be thinking.


In short, if Ranorian forces continue to refuse to follow STAVKA's orders, they will be ordered to remove themselves from Qiraji soil. If they do not comply they will be removed, by force if necessary. Honestly, no one would ever realistically make this much fuss over such a simple and reasonable request. It is both ridiculous and unrealistic and I'd like it to stop (I assumed that was what a Political Department visit would accomplish).


Said village would not harbor them and would alert the military, which is probably already almost upon them because of drone recon and helicopter deployment of the advance force. They can stay in country, but stand and fight or surrender are their only options at this point.

Once again, you can't say to give you command when you leave for a week. You can take command, I simply stated that if you try and attack my me then you will die. ESPRs are trained from BIRTH. They can and will kill every man on sight, then the SAM systems would kick in. if you attacked me, I can and WILL colonize Qiraj. if you didn't, there isn't a problem.
Senkaku wrote:No. The Qiraji troops are pretty much almost to your position already.


Honestly I'm just confused as to why Ranoria is setting themselves up to be at war with both sides over a request as simple as integrated command. :p

@Gametopia, satellites can easily see your fighters coming towards us from your fleet,a dn I was pretty much moving towards you from the beginning. Your fleet has a very low chance of taking non-critical damage, while mine is dead.
@Senkaku: No, I'm not. My men see you have over 2 dozen troops outside their HQ, and if you attempt hostilities, those men are going to die. There is no question there.



Oh boy. Oh boy oh boy oh boy. ( - ___ - )

Now see, this is just the sort of thing that really, really, really irritates me. I point out unrealistic behavior and silliness. It's not a big deal, I understand why it might have been done, trying to make things more interesting, et cetera. But I voiced concerns and asked for a halt.

And instead, we had a double-down.

I find it irksome when people do this, because then I have to outline exactly why they are wrong on so many levels, and then they usually get all irritated. Let's hope a simple decimation is all this takes.



*Sen swings the Scimitar of Righteousness*




Once again, you can't say to give you command when you leave for a week.

And here we have our first major problem- a serious case of mixing up OOC and IC events. STAVKA did not go to the Bahamas for a week, I did. The events that would happen while I was gone were discussed. Qiraj asked for command in the IC, if the concept of OOC separation was not previously clear to you.

You can take command, I simply stated that if you try and attack my me then you will die.

Could include snark about fearing for my life because of your previous confusion of OOC and IC, could include grammar snark. Will skip it for the sake of brevity.
Really, by roughing up Qiraji officers and refusing to obey directives from Supreme Command, you're not leaving the Political Department much choice. However, they did bring several armored vehicles and helicopters, which have disgorged a large quantity of Political Department soldiers. Some may die, but I think mostly it will be the outnumbered commanders and officers in your headquarters. Additionally, they probably wouldn't die- the Political Department would very much prefer to tase them and keep them alive if it gets that serious (which they do not want it to).

ESPRs are trained from BIRTH.

I suppose you expect me to attach some special importance to this. I do not. "Trained from BIRTH" doesn't mean bulletproof.

They can and will kill every man on sight, then the SAM systems would kick in.


Yes, they will kill the dozens of Qiraji soldiers who were just sent in in armored vehicles and helicopters to support the commissars. And after that I suppose they will also kill the entire Revolutionary Guard and march into the Office of the State Presidium. Please. As for your SAM systems, you are in Qiraji territory (full of active troops), so even if your magical ESPR unicorns managed to keep your HQ online, your SAMs would have the shit jammed out of them and be murdered by ground troops pretty much instantly.

Senkaku: No, I'm not. My men see you have over 2 dozen troops outside their HQ, and if you attempt hostilities, those men are going to die. There is no question there.

See, here's the funny thing. By my count, I have forty-odd troops on site (including three IFVs and two helicopters), plus thousands more soldiers and many more vehicles of all types in and around the city. Your Extrasensory Perception Rangers or whatever they are are presumably susceptible to bullets and explosives (but if not, eventually the Revolutionary Guard and Special Weapons Department could probably build some sort of DEW to deal with them).

if you attacked me, I can and WILL colonize Qiraj. if you didn't, there isn't a problem.

I could be snarky about grammar here. Actually, I will. All these tense shifts. You should work on that.
As for the claim of the capability and will to "colonize" Qiraj, you are engaging in unrealistic Internet dickwaving of the depressingly normal kind. No, you won't. That's preposterous, and would not fit at all with this RP even if it were remotely within the bounds of possibility.




In short: Please stop being silly and actually RP seriously rather than engaging in ridiculous unrealistic actions and then throwing a tantrum when the irrationality of said actions are pointed out.

*Sen sheaths the Scimitar of Righteousness*
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:40 pm

Apologies to Cong for ostentatious post formatting. I find it can be more effective when decimation/lampooning is desired.
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Postby Military Democracy of Birtonia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:42 pm

I've got... Like a metric fuckton of missiles left in the arsenal ship and more on my Attack sub.

Additionally, Sen... That brought a tear to my eye.

Absolutely wondwrful.

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Postby The Tekkit Guy » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:47 pm

Okay, I'm confused with the nature of the diversion too. I thought it would distract the ground and maritime security for long enough for the special forces to attack, but people think it was to cover the invasion. My ships do have a lot of missiles, though, so its entirely possible for me to do both. Each of the 4 frigates have 25 cruise missiles, and each of the 7 battlecruisers have 20. but I would not use my capital ships' missiles to attack ground targets if possible. I will use their 12-inch cannons to bombard the shore fortifications before the landing. If I remember correctly, they outrange the Ranorian coastal defenses.
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Postby Ranoria » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:48 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
The GAmeTopians wrote:Yeah. Satellites CANNOT see something flying at Mach 1.6. Hence, you don't know I even exist yet.

Well, technically speaking, if they can rotate fast enough to stay focused on a point on the surface of the planet zipping past beneath them, they could just as easily focus on an object moving across the planet's surface at mach 1.6.

The problem is that they can't possibly scan that much ocean, and be detailed enough to see an object the size of an airplane, and be fast enough to finish taking their picture before the plane is gone. A satellite can have one of those attributes. Maybe some combinations of two with a lot of money and some very clever programming. Definitely not three.

Military Democracy of Birtonia wrote:Perhaps we should just move along to the invasion? It seems a bit messy now

I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?

For my part, I have a grand total of 0 cruise missiles in the Halian to contribute.

They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:49 pm

This is turning into a clusterfuck very fast
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:51 pm

The Tekkit Guy wrote:Okay, I'm confused with the nature of the diversion too. I thought it would distract the ground and maritime security for long enough for the special forces to attack, but people think it was to cover the invasion. My ships do have a lot of missiles, though, so its entirely possible for me to do both. Each of the 4 frigates have 25 cruise missiles, and each of the 7 battlecruisers have 20. but I would not use my capital ships' missiles to attack ground targets if possible. I will use their 12-inch cannons to bombard the shore fortifications before the landing. If I remember correctly, they outrange the Ranorian coastal defenses.

Now I'm confused as to what the diversion was.


Perhaps we could just wait on it...? Or, idk...
It just seems like it's gotten pretty muddled, and since I already have a post with initial spec ops responses, perhaps if it's done it could be done as an actual intentional direct attack? Seems like it'd be more destructive than the spec ops attacks, honestly.

Also, you may outrange Ranoria (although I feel like 12-inch cannons would be outraged by almost any missile), but Brothers Elsen, Malak, and Soliryn may have other ideas.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:52 pm

Ranoria wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:Well, technically speaking, if they can rotate fast enough to stay focused on a point on the surface of the planet zipping past beneath them, they could just as easily focus on an object moving across the planet's surface at mach 1.6.

The problem is that they can't possibly scan that much ocean, and be detailed enough to see an object the size of an airplane, and be fast enough to finish taking their picture before the plane is gone. A satellite can have one of those attributes. Maybe some combinations of two with a lot of money and some very clever programming. Definitely not three.


I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?

For my part, I have a grand total of 0 cruise missiles in the Halian to contribute.

They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD

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New Finnish Republic wrote:This is turning into a clusterfuck very fast


You know it. :/
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Postby Ranoria » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:53 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The Tekkit Guy wrote:Okay, I'm confused with the nature of the diversion too. I thought it would distract the ground and maritime security for long enough for the special forces to attack, but people think it was to cover the invasion. My ships do have a lot of missiles, though, so its entirely possible for me to do both. Each of the 4 frigates have 25 cruise missiles, and each of the 7 battlecruisers have 20. but I would not use my capital ships' missiles to attack ground targets if possible. I will use their 12-inch cannons to bombard the shore fortifications before the landing. If I remember correctly, they outrange the Ranorian coastal defenses.

Now I'm confused as to what the diversion was.


Perhaps we could just wait on it...? Or, idk...
It just seems like it's gotten pretty muddled, and since I already have a post with initial spec ops responses, perhaps if it's done it could be done as an actual intentional direct attack? Seems like it'd be more destructive than the spec ops attacks, honestly.

Also, you may outrange Ranoria (although I feel like 12-inch cannons would be outraged by almost any missile), but Brothers Elsen, Malak, and Soliryn may have other ideas.

Ive got a range of 50 kilos til my main force comes. Im basically a sitting duck right now. No Fleet, no defenses really. Unless, Senkaku, you have interception weaponry???
PS: What's a clusterfuck?
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Postby New Finnish Republic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:04 pm

Anyways Sen so to answer my questions, I want to know what routes you want to go with this

a) My troops manage to slip past your QRF and make it back to sea where they make it back to the fleet and you don't have to worry about us two posting strings of engagement

b) Your troops find my troops and engage them. My men will basically hole up in a defensive position until the landing force arrives (Which should be arriving relatively soon if all goes to plan) along with our aerial campaign. My men, as previously stated, are armed with anti-armor weaponry and have the FNS Lohikäärme ready to deliver Cruise Missile strikes if needed. I also need to know the size of the force you're sending at me.

Your call mi amigo.
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Postby Military Democracy of Birtonia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:08 pm

How do you not know what a cluster duck is.

On my phone so excuse the duck

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Postby Ranoria » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:12 pm

Military Democracy of Birtonia wrote:How do you not know what a cluster duck is.

On my phone so excuse the duck

*shrugs*
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Postby Congreveopia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:16 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Sen Makes Sashimi Out of Silliness: Installation One - The Scimitar of Righteousness

"The wheels of justice grind slowly, but when they get going they really like to run over silliness of Internet forums."




This post reminds me of the bad old days. Please do not make another of its like necessary.



Ranoria wrote:Once again, you can't say to give you command when you leave for a week. You can take command, I simply stated that if you try and attack my me then you will die. ESPRs are trained from BIRTH. They can and will kill every man on sight, then the SAM systems would kick in. if you attacked me, I can and WILL colonize Qiraj. if you didn't, there isn't a problem.

@Gametopia, satellites can easily see your fighters coming towards us from your fleet,a dn I was pretty much moving towards you from the beginning. Your fleet has a very low chance of taking non-critical damage, while mine is dead.
@Senkaku: No, I'm not. My men see you have over 2 dozen troops outside their HQ, and if you attempt hostilities, those men are going to die. There is no question there.



Oh boy. Oh boy oh boy oh boy. ( - ___ - )

Now see, this is just the sort of thing that really, really, really irritates me. I point out unrealistic behavior and silliness. It's not a big deal, I understand why it might have been done, trying to make things more interesting, et cetera. But I voiced concerns and asked for a halt.

And instead, we had a double-down.

I find it irksome when people do this, because then I have to outline exactly why they are wrong on so many levels, and then they usually get all irritated. Let's hope a simple decimation is all this takes.



*Sen swings the Scimitar of Righteousness*




Once again, you can't say to give you command when you leave for a week.

And here we have our first major problem- a serious case of mixing up OOC and IC events. STAVKA did not go to the Bahamas for a week, I did. The events that would happen while I was gone were discussed. Qiraj asked for command in the IC, if the concept of OOC separation was not previously clear to you.

You can take command, I simply stated that if you try and attack my me then you will die.

Could include snark about fearing for my life because of your previous confusion of OOC and IC, could include grammar snark. Will skip it for the sake of brevity.
Really, by roughing up Qiraji officers and refusing to obey directives from Supreme Command, you're not leaving the Political Department much choice. However, they did bring several armored vehicles and helicopters, which have disgorged a large quantity of Political Department soldiers. Some may die, but I think mostly it will be the outnumbered commanders and officers in your headquarters. Additionally, they probably wouldn't die- the Political Department would very much prefer to tase them and keep them alive if it gets that serious (which they do not want it to).

ESPRs are trained from BIRTH.

I suppose you expect me to attach some special importance to this. I do not. "Trained from BIRTH" doesn't mean bulletproof.

They can and will kill every man on sight, then the SAM systems would kick in.


Yes, they will kill the dozens of Qiraji soldiers who were just sent in in armored vehicles and helicopters to support the commissars. And after that I suppose they will also kill the entire Revolutionary Guard and march into the Office of the State Presidium. Please. As for your SAM systems, you are in Qiraji territory (full of active troops), so even if your magical ESPR unicorns managed to keep your HQ online, your SAMs would have the shit jammed out of them and be murdered by ground troops pretty much instantly.

Senkaku: No, I'm not. My men see you have over 2 dozen troops outside their HQ, and if you attempt hostilities, those men are going to die. There is no question there.

See, here's the funny thing. By my count, I have forty-odd troops on site (including three IFVs and two helicopters), plus thousands more soldiers and many more vehicles of all types in and around the city. Your Extrasensory Perception Rangers or whatever they are are presumably susceptible to bullets and explosives (but if not, eventually the Revolutionary Guard and Special Weapons Department could probably build some sort of DEW to deal with them).

if you attacked me, I can and WILL colonize Qiraj. if you didn't, there isn't a problem.

I could be snarky about grammar here. Actually, I will. All these tense shifts. You should work on that.
As for the claim of the capability and will to "colonize" Qiraj, you are engaging in unrealistic Internet dickwaving of the depressingly normal kind. No, you won't. That's preposterous, and would not fit at all with this RP even if it were remotely within the bounds of possibility.




In short: Please stop being silly and actually RP seriously rather than engaging in ridiculous unrealistic actions and then throwing a tantrum when the irrationality of said actions are pointed out.

*Sen sheaths the Scimitar of Righteousness*

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Congreveopia wrote:Well, technically speaking, if they can rotate fast enough to stay focused on a point on the surface of the planet zipping past beneath them, they could just as easily focus on an object moving across the planet's surface at mach 1.6.

The problem is that they can't possibly scan that much ocean, and be detailed enough to see an object the size of an airplane, and be fast enough to finish taking their picture before the plane is gone. A satellite can have one of those attributes. Maybe some combinations of two with a lot of money and some very clever programming. Definitely not three.


I'd be good with speeding towards it. Does the coalition want to figure out how many cruise missiles we have on the OOC, then give them targets, then invasion?

For my part, I have a grand total of 0 cruise missiles in the Halian to contribute.

They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD
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I also support this message.

...

Well, no, actually I don't. It has poor OOC-IC separation, unstable grammar, and some whining. There is a certain aspect I support, though, and that aspect is Ranoria's right to do this. As long as things are realistic, they are allowed, and if Ranoria's government is so realistically insane that they will attack the nation they were attempting to defend, then that is their decision to make, but that insanity had better manifest itself elsewhere as well. Reinforcements could be abruptly cut off; units could be given conflicting orders; forces could be unexpectedly ordered to withdraw, ect. Just as long as someone plays a nation realistically, they can play whatever sort of nation they want.

Speaking of, Senkaku, I notice your most recent post hints that your army is more controlled by fear than loyalty. I do hope we see some unexpected routes or desertion as a result of that decision.

And yes, Hale Isles's government has realistic advantages and drawbacks as well, but allow me some mystique in not revealing my hand right now just to drive home a point.


Ranoria wrote:They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.

Ehhhh... no... no, they probably can't. There are satellites that can, to be sure, but they'll more be giving you a picture every few hours, not a live feed, and that's assuming that your government has nothing else for them to photograph.



EDIT:

The Oan Isles wrote:
April 9th 1700 Hours Farahan, Qiraj

The uproarous excitement of the children to see their families after a week of eager exploration of a foreign country filled Lucy Diagon with conflicting emotions. The trip had been for the most part exhausting. Far off military activity had caused numerous changes to the tour itinerary. That vexed her but the spontaneity kept the students interested where many other trips had been afflicted with malaise.

She was hoping that things would be different this time. That perhaps she may complete 20 years of teaching on a sprightly note. Having been left by her husband, she desperately clung on to the hope that things would be better. It was upon the fickle loyalty of the students that, for now, that hope lay.

The bus swerved dramatically as the bus briver wrestled with stubborn gears to keep them on the road. The weather had been less than perfect. Strange bursts of dust caused them to veer off track. He slammed the steering wheel in frustration and conferred with Lucy.

"We have a serious problem".
"What could that be, sir".
"I can't navigate us through the windy road and dusty weather as the bus is becoming over heated and clogged. I called a friend of mine, he's a mechanic from Ultsengel".
"Okay so do you need help with anything?"
"Not at this point but just try and keep everyone alive for the next three hours".

She thought to herself, that was perculiar. As she clapped and sang with the students bidding the time a quick passing, no one noticed the drone, no one noticed the billowing plumes of smoke, no one noticed the approach of doom.

Lifting his sweaty head from the engine, a strange object flew over the horizon. Horrid memories sprung forth from a deep abyss that he had hoped he would never look into. He clambered into the bus revving the engine. The prodded and pushed and shoved to no avail. Sensing danger he ordered everyone off the bus. Panic filled the air and horror filled Lucy's heart when it was all too late.

On April 9th 2000 Hours La Rochelle, The Oan Isles

Abram Uluwela had received a phone call from "some guy in Koyrage, I think" as his secretary put it. He surveyed the room he had worked in for a very long time. He was so excited when he got his first desk that he took his friends out on an extravagant trip he had to wash dishes for to afford. That youthful exhuberance steadily faded. The real pain and struggle of journalism had made him a little harder and little less young. He had seen a mother plead for him to take her son in the Phillipines, the wind had blown so hard and storm was so strong he was blown away from her andnever saw he again. It was moments like these that the acclaim of his peers could not even rally human vanity.

His phone rung. Although annoyed he had to respond. A frantic voice and hurried words in a strangely Middle Eastern accent spat at him. It was then that he knew the story that had to be told though he never anticipated what it would mean. Tomorrow would go to print the herald of change.

The La Rochelle Times
"A most compelling read"


By Abram Uluwela, La Rochelle
|
April 10


Yesterday drones alledgedly deployed by the special forces of the Hale Isles to intercept assailants to their positions in Qiraj or to destroy the military installations of the Qiraji Armed Forces had inadvertently assailed and destroyed a tour bus of Oan students on a foreign education tour. Of the fifteen learners, teachers and security on board none are believed to have survived and any investigations are proving difficult to mount in lieu of the conflict there.

Taking a retrospective view of the situation, the government has made military intervention an option to defend Oan military and civilian personnel and Oan assets. The extent of this action is unclear yet sources close to La Rochelle claim that the government will pursue negotiations to calm the situation and facilitate for a ceasefire so that rescue and humanitarian operations can be initiated.

Sorry, I'm missing some context here. Did Qiraj stage this attack and pin it on the Hale Isles or what?
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Postby The Tekkit Guy » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:19 pm

Ranoria wrote:
Military Democracy of Birtonia wrote:How do you not know what a cluster duck is.

On my phone so excuse the duck

*shrugs*


A clusterfck or Charlie Foxtrot in the military, is a bad situation of complete chaos and confusion.
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Postby Ranoria » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:22 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:
Sen Makes Sashimi Out of Silliness: Installation One - The Scimitar of Righteousness

"The wheels of justice grind slowly, but when they get going they really like to run over silliness of Internet forums."




This post reminds me of the bad old days. Please do not make another of its like necessary.






Oh boy. Oh boy oh boy oh boy. ( - ___ - )

Now see, this is just the sort of thing that really, really, really irritates me. I point out unrealistic behavior and silliness. It's not a big deal, I understand why it might have been done, trying to make things more interesting, et cetera. But I voiced concerns and asked for a halt.

And instead, we had a double-down.

I find it irksome when people do this, because then I have to outline exactly why they are wrong on so many levels, and then they usually get all irritated. Let's hope a simple decimation is all this takes.



*Sen swings the Scimitar of Righteousness*





And here we have our first major problem- a serious case of mixing up OOC and IC events. STAVKA did not go to the Bahamas for a week, I did. The events that would happen while I was gone were discussed. Qiraj asked for command in the IC, if the concept of OOC separation was not previously clear to you.


Could include snark about fearing for my life because of your previous confusion of OOC and IC, could include grammar snark. Will skip it for the sake of brevity.
Really, by roughing up Qiraji officers and refusing to obey directives from Supreme Command, you're not leaving the Political Department much choice. However, they did bring several armored vehicles and helicopters, which have disgorged a large quantity of Political Department soldiers. Some may die, but I think mostly it will be the outnumbered commanders and officers in your headquarters. Additionally, they probably wouldn't die- the Political Department would very much prefer to tase them and keep them alive if it gets that serious (which they do not want it to).


I suppose you expect me to attach some special importance to this. I do not. "Trained from BIRTH" doesn't mean bulletproof.



Yes, they will kill the dozens of Qiraji soldiers who were just sent in in armored vehicles and helicopters to support the commissars. And after that I suppose they will also kill the entire Revolutionary Guard and march into the Office of the State Presidium. Please. As for your SAM systems, you are in Qiraji territory (full of active troops), so even if your magical ESPR unicorns managed to keep your HQ online, your SAMs would have the shit jammed out of them and be murdered by ground troops pretty much instantly.


See, here's the funny thing. By my count, I have forty-odd troops on site (including three IFVs and two helicopters), plus thousands more soldiers and many more vehicles of all types in and around the city. Your Extrasensory Perception Rangers or whatever they are are presumably susceptible to bullets and explosives (but if not, eventually the Revolutionary Guard and Special Weapons Department could probably build some sort of DEW to deal with them).


I could be snarky about grammar here. Actually, I will. All these tense shifts. You should work on that.
As for the claim of the capability and will to "colonize" Qiraj, you are engaging in unrealistic Internet dickwaving of the depressingly normal kind. No, you won't. That's preposterous, and would not fit at all with this RP even if it were remotely within the bounds of possibility.




In short: Please stop being silly and actually RP seriously rather than engaging in ridiculous unrealistic actions and then throwing a tantrum when the irrationality of said actions are pointed out.

*Sen sheaths the Scimitar of Righteousness*

I support this message.

Ranoria wrote:
They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.
I am being serious. Make your post. If you attack, I'm taking Qiraj. if you don't you still have my support. And no, I never said their bulletproof(that'd be cool tho), I said that before you shoot the ESPRs will see it coming, and they'll gun down any soldier who attempts it. I honestly don't see why my men being ready for a fight is so big of a deal when you've proved my point by saying yo have even MORE forces there than what I thought.
And seriously? Throwing a fit? It's called explaining, and explaining why I didn't reply for so long. I got back home at 8pm. Not to mention I've explained to you why I couldn't give you command from the start. You left for a week. If I had given you command then, the city wold be in no way fortified or ready for an attack. Now, it is.
PS: SPR is Special Platoon Recons, ESPR is Elite Special Platoon Recons. I though SPR sounded cool a couple years ago and made it an acronym. xD
*****EDIT:YAYDARTHVADERTHEME

I also support this message.

...

Well, no, actually I don't. It has poor OOC-IC separation, unstable grammar, and some whining. There is a certain aspect I support, though, and that aspect is Ranoria's right to do this. As long as things are realistic, they are allowed, and if Ranoria's government is so realistically insane that they will attack the nation they were attempting to defend, then that is their decision to make, but that insanity had better manifest itself elsewhere as well. Reinforcements could be abruptly cut off; units could be given conflicting orders; forces could be unexpectedly ordered to withdraw, ect. Just as long as someone plays a nation realistically, they can play whatever sort of nation they want.

Speaking of, Senkaku, I notice your most recent post hints that your army is more controlled by fear than loyalty. I do hope we see some unexpected routes or desertion as a result of that decision.

And yes, Hale Isles's government has realistic advantages and drawbacks as well, but allow me some mystique in not revealing my hand right now just to drive home a point.


Ranoria wrote:They can't see a plane at Mach 1.6, to be certain, but they can see an aircraft carrier emptying and likely the planes taking off.

Ehhhh... no... no, they probably can't. There are satellites that can, to be sure, but they'll more be giving you a picture every few hours, not a live feed, and that's assuming that your government has nothing else for them to photograph.



EDIT:

The Oan Isles wrote:
April 9th 1700 Hours Farahan, Qiraj

The uproarous excitement of the children to see their families after a week of eager exploration of a foreign country filled Lucy Diagon with conflicting emotions. The trip had been for the most part exhausting. Far off military activity had caused numerous changes to the tour itinerary. That vexed her but the spontaneity kept the students interested where many other trips had been afflicted with malaise.

She was hoping that things would be different this time. That perhaps she may complete 20 years of teaching on a sprightly note. Having been left by her husband, she desperately clung on to the hope that things would be better. It was upon the fickle loyalty of the students that, for now, that hope lay.

The bus swerved dramatically as the bus briver wrestled with stubborn gears to keep them on the road. The weather had been less than perfect. Strange bursts of dust caused them to veer off track. He slammed the steering wheel in frustration and conferred with Lucy.

"We have a serious problem".
"What could that be, sir".
"I can't navigate us through the windy road and dusty weather as the bus is becoming over heated and clogged. I called a friend of mine, he's a mechanic from Ultsengel".
"Okay so do you need help with anything?"
"Not at this point but just try and keep everyone alive for the next three hours".

She thought to herself, that was perculiar. As she clapped and sang with the students bidding the time a quick passing, no one noticed the drone, no one noticed the billowing plumes of smoke, no one noticed the approach of doom.

Lifting his sweaty head from the engine, a strange object flew over the horizon. Horrid memories sprung forth from a deep abyss that he had hoped he would never look into. He clambered into the bus revving the engine. The prodded and pushed and shoved to no avail. Sensing danger he ordered everyone off the bus. Panic filled the air and horror filled Lucy's heart when it was all too late.

On April 9th 2000 Hours La Rochelle, The Oan Isles

Abram Uluwela had received a phone call from "some guy in Koyrage, I think" as his secretary put it. He surveyed the room he had worked in for a very long time. He was so excited when he got his first desk that he took his friends out on an extravagant trip he had to wash dishes for to afford. That youthful exhuberance steadily faded. The real pain and struggle of journalism had made him a little harder and little less young. He had seen a mother plead for him to take her son in the Phillipines, the wind had blown so hard and storm was so strong he was blown away from her andnever saw he again. It was moments like these that the acclaim of his peers could not even rally human vanity.

His phone rung. Although annoyed he had to respond. A frantic voice and hurried words in a strangely Middle Eastern accent spat at him. It was then that he knew the story that had to be told though he never anticipated what it would mean. Tomorrow would go to print the herald of change.

The La Rochelle Times
"A most compelling read"


By Abram Uluwela, La Rochelle
|
April 10


Yesterday drones alledgedly deployed by the special forces of the Hale Isles to intercept assailants to their positions in Qiraj or to destroy the military installations of the Qiraji Armed Forces had inadvertently assailed and destroyed a tour bus of Oan students on a foreign education tour. Of the fifteen learners, teachers and security on board none are believed to have survived and any investigations are proving difficult to mount in lieu of the conflict there.

Taking a retrospective view of the situation, the government has made military intervention an option to defend Oan military and civilian personnel and Oan assets. The extent of this action is unclear yet sources close to La Rochelle claim that the government will pursue negotiations to calm the situation and facilitate for a ceasefire so that rescue and humanitarian operations can be initiated.

Sorry, I'm missing some context here. Did Qiraj stage this attack and pin it on the Hale Isles or what?

I'm only invading if he attacks. Once again.
And oh. They can't then.\
BUT Gametopia launched missiles at me as well, did he not? Wouldn't that leave me within detection range..? This naval stuff is REALLY starting to confuse me.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:23 pm

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For this world to stop hating.
Can't find a good reason,
Can't find hope to believe in.

But really. Emphasis on the still waiting. But meh, nothing I can do with my limited armaments.
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Postby Congreveopia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:31 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:So am I still waiting,
For this world to stop hating.
Can't find a good reason,
Can't find hope to believe in.

But really. Emphasis on the still waiting. But meh, nothing I can do with my limited armaments.

Where are your forces stationed? I'll have Alpha squad flee towards them.
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