Stop Killing My People! [OOC]

[Trazentiocheia]

Wait, they just travel trough Orkfjell and Kongshammer territory?

They will fight their way through Orkfjell and Kongshammer territory if needed

Can they? In that case Kongshammer would already be lost for the coalition is much bigger than just the Panthers and if the Panthers can just fight themselves a way trough Kongshammer....

Also, that would mean you ramp trough me on your way to Alfsund, right? There goes the profit of you and Slak killing eachother for me.

[Trazentiocheia]

Wait, did Slak get banned? Tell me the whole story!

No one got banned. Tekeristan wishes sabotage the RP a bit, Slakonian would like to help him with that. No one got banned but I kindly asked them and all those who no longer wish to participate to move out of this thread and start their own about the strike where they can discuss their things without griefing those who don't wish to strike.

I see, but Kardelia said Slak was banned before and I was interested why that has happened, I understand that you guys have an argument here but I'll keep out of it.

Just make sure Slak and I can fight at Alfsund before he's kicked.

[Paginista]

They will fight their way through Orkfjell and Kongshammer territory if needed

Can they? In that case Kongshammer would already be lost for the coalition is much bigger than just the Panthers and if the Panthers can just fight themselves a way trough Kongshammer....

Also, that would mean you ramp trough me on your way to Alfsund, right? There goes the profit of you and Slak killing eachother for me.

Wait.... now i am confused

[Trazentiocheia]

Can they? In that case Kongshammer would already be lost for the coalition is much bigger than just the Panthers and if the Panthers can just fight themselves a way trough Kongshammer....

Also, that would mean you ramp trough me on your way to Alfsund, right? There goes the profit of you and Slak killing eachother for me.

Wait.... now i am confused

Well you said your Panthers would fight themselves a way trough Kongshammer and Orkfjell if needed because Alfsund is in Southern Sundland and I was wondering why there's still war if you can just do that.

[Tekeristan]

Wait, did Slak get banned? Tell me the whole story!

No one got banned. Tekeristan wishes sabotage the RP a bit, Slakonian would like to help him with that. No one got banned but I kindly asked them and all those who no longer wish to participate to move out of this thread and start their own about the strike where they can discuss their things without griefing those who don't wish to strike.

I've invested hours upon hours into this roleplay, more time then you've put into it, why would I want to destroy it? I'm petitioning so that it can improve, and actually be fun to do anymore. How we feel with the course of the roleplay relates with the roleplay, and we simply wish to have our voices heard, rather than simply being ignored like our previous pleas. Ignoring problems is a great way to get them to grow.

[Paginista]

Wait.... now i am confused

Well you said your Panthers would fight themselves a way trough Kongshammer and Orkfjell if needed because Alfsund is in Southern Sundland and I was wondering why there's still war if you can just do that.

Because they're getting cocky. They havent faced a real military force and are on the brink of having their own civil war. If they fight your or the other guy's forces that I assume are made of actual soldiers then they will be pretty quickly killed. Also the panthers are streched out with most doing garrison duty in south cardulan

[Trazentiocheia]

Well you said your Panthers would fight themselves a way trough Kongshammer and Orkfjell if needed because Alfsund is in Southern Sundland and I was wondering why there's still war if you can just do that.

Because they're getting cocky. They havent faced a real military force and are on the brink of having their own civil war. If they fight your or the other guy's forces that I assume are made of actual soldiers then they will be pretty quickly killed. Also the panthers are streched out with most doing garrison duty in south cardulan

I can understand that but how are you getting them trough southern Oehiton? Are you gonna smuggle them for if you can fight yourselves a way trough can you also just end Kongshammer.

[Flauc]

You guys enhanced my English vocabulary today for I didn't know the word 'whining' and now I do.

From tomorrow onwards will I be a little more active than the last days, sorry for inactivity. I will post as planned and finish the half post I've got ready for it only deals with positioning, not actual fighting. This way I can order my tactical retreat when Paganista ICly confirms his expedition southwards.

And Cardulan, what's that prize/medal like thing on your flag? I only now saw something had changed.

Also, I've been made a Lord today.

It's a poppy for memorial. I asked Cardulan before.

[Trazentiocheia]

It's a poppy for memorial. I asked Cardulan before.

Thanks, good to know I'm the only one who noticed.

[Slakonian]

Wait, did Slak get banned? Tell me the whole story!

No one got banned. Tekeristan wishes sabotage the RP a bit, Slakonian would like to help him with that. No one got banned but I kindly asked them and all those who no longer wish to participate to move out of this thread and start their own about the strike where they can discuss their things without griefing those who don't wish to strike.

I am actually against Tek on this one. I didn't support this in particular.

Also I send a TG in Cardulan but it said she refuses to accept Tg's for me so here what I wanted to tell her:

I had isnpired an event from this: the imperial reunification

So here is the whole story, the rebel Orkfjell soldiers and the warlords meet on "neutra;" ground in order to negotiate. At first they seem to find to reconciliate themselves until Super Marios barge in and kill them all. They force all the soldiers to follow their orders from now on, as their officers are dead.

In order to prevent Kongshemmer forces to take more ground, the north coalition decides to send the Red Guards to contain them and get them killed in order to remove potential advesaries.

[Paginista]

Because they're getting cocky. They havent faced a real military force and are on the brink of having their own civil war. If they fight your or the other guy's forces that I assume are made of actual soldiers then they will be pretty quickly killed. Also the panthers are streched out with most doing garrison duty in south cardulan

I can understand that but how are you getting them trough southern Oehiton? Are you gonna smuggle them for if you can fight yourselves a way trough can you also just end Kongshammer.

What?

[Slakonian]

Because they're getting cocky. They havent faced a real military force and are on the brink of having their own civil war. If they fight your or the other guy's forces that I assume are made of actual soldiers then they will be pretty quickly killed. Also the panthers are streched out with most doing garrison duty in south cardulan

I can understand that but how are you getting them trough southern Oehiton? Are you gonna smuggle them for if you can fight yourselves a way trough can you also just end Kongshammer.

Well, they are here to inforce the northern coalition's rule but they don't know what's happening on the south due it's a grey area. Right?

[Tekeristan]

No one got banned. Tekeristan wishes sabotage the RP a bit, Slakonian would like to help him with that. No one got banned but I kindly asked them and all those who no longer wish to participate to move out of this thread and start their own about the strike where they can discuss their things without griefing those who don't wish to strike.

I am actually against Tek on this one.

My intent isn't to destroy the RP. -.- Bohemoravia is spreading slander.

[The Germanian states]

Sorry for my inactivity I have been busy with my life and will be gone for a while.

[Caracasus]

Anyways, back to the RP

Just made a post RE the earthquake Watersville - made some assumptions (i.e. that even though you don't have a standing army, you have emergency services roughly on a par with a reasonably developed nation IRL) and pledged support hope it looks OK, as it's very much your nation I don't want to post anything too out there.

EDIT: And Flauc - yes - good RP mate.

[Opplandia]

Trying to bring this back onto the rails a littlebit more, I had a discussion with someone about what goes wrong and how we can maybe fix it.

We have come down to a short list of things on which we could maybe work to improve this RP:

- everything should be toned-down a littlebit to reasonable numbers

- better planning/discussion in the OOC

- returning to the roots of this war and it´s aspects

- more kindness and respect in general.

So, that are pretty basic ideas of which a few already had been voiced sometimes, but didnt fall on fertile ground. With that actual stop in the yelling and cursing, this seems to be a good moment for another try. Now, here are a few ideas and suggestions as to how we may be able to solve the above points:

- as for the reasonalbility, maybe it would be a good idea to reduce the amount of troops. the main Invasion is over, so we dont need hundrets of thousands of soldiers anymore. maybe it would help if we could find an average number we can agree upon.

- for planning and reasoning, there is one vital point that needs to be acknowledged: respect. respect for the other players and their work, as well as their governance over their own troops. that means stop killing people that you cant reach and stop trying to 100 percentedly reverse someone elses actions.
with that in mind, we could try to enhance planning and discussion through communication; in other words, telling. just tell the ppl in the OOC when you are going to launch an attack, tell them when you are going to move a load of soldiers elsewhere. on top of that, wait for reply. when you just attacked a city, let the enemy post their reaction to your attack and dont just say 'everything killed, heeheehee'.

- as for the whole 'back to the roots'-thing, that would mean bring the focus back to 'Alliance vs Oehiton-Orkfjell'. theoretically this would mean that each and every 'side war' had to be closed down and the effects had to be reversed to Zero. actually we dont want to try this, as it wouldnt bear any fruits. though a possible solution that came up is this: People could maybe use captured Areas/Cities as a base for their troops, from which they could participate in the main action.

- as for the 'general kindness' I would say that is pretty much included in the above points.


Alright now, those are just a few rough ideas that have come up during that discussion and Im not going to enforce anything on You guys without at least some consent. All of what Ive written above can still be adjusted to our actual situation, if we really want to. Now Im asking all of you to voice your opinions on this and maybe a few suggestions of your own. Maybe we can have a civilised discussion here again.

[Watersville]

Anyways, back to the RP

Just made a post RE the earthquake Watersville - made some assumptions (i.e. that even though you don't have a standing army, you have emergency services roughly on a par with a reasonably developed nation IRL) and pledged support hope it looks OK, as it's very much your nation I don't want to post anything too out there.

EDIT: And Flauc - yes - good RP mate.

That is a good assumption. And yes, even though automobiles are banned, there is an exception for ambulances and fire trucks. Your post is perfectly fine.

[Slakonian]

Trying to bring this back onto the rails a littlebit more, I had a discussion with someone about what goes wrong and how we can maybe fix it.

We have come down to a short list of things on which we could maybe work to improve this RP:

- everything should be toned-down a littlebit to reasonable numbers

- better planning/discussion in the OOC

- returning to the roots of this war and it´s aspects

- more kindness and respect in general.

So, that are pretty basic ideas of which a few already had been voiced sometimes, but didnt fall on fertile ground. With that actual stop in the yelling and cursing, this seems to be a good moment for another try. Now, here are a few ideas and suggestions as to how we may be able to solve the above points:

- as for the reasonalbility, maybe it would be a good idea to reduce the amount of troops. the main Invasion is over, so we dont need hundrets of thousands of soldiers anymore. maybe it would help if we could find an average number we can agree upon.

- for planning and reasoning, there is one vital point that needs to be acknowledged: respect. respect for the other players and their work, as well as their governance over their own troops. that means stop killing people that you cant reach and stop trying to 100 percentedly reverse someone elses actions.
with that in mind, we could try to enhance planning and discussion through communication; in other words, telling. just tell the ppl in the OOC when you are going to launch an attack, tell them when you are going to move a load of soldiers elsewhere. on top of that, wait for reply. when you just attacked a city, let the enemy post their reaction to your attack and dont just say 'everything killed, heeheehee'.

- as for the whole 'back to the roots'-thing, that would mean bring the focus back to 'Alliance vs Oehiton-Orkfjell'. theoretically this would mean that each and every 'side war' had to be closed down and the effects had to be reversed to Zero. actually we dont want to try this, as it wouldnt bear any fruits. though a possible solution that came up is this: People could maybe use captured Areas/Cities as a base for their troops, from which they could participate in the main action.

- as for the 'general kindness' I would say that is pretty much included in the above points.


Alright now, those are just a few rough ideas that have come up during that discussion and Im not going to enforce anything on You guys without at least some consent. All of what Ive written above can still be adjusted to our actual situation, if we really want to. Now Im asking all of you to voice your opinions on this and maybe a few suggestions of your own. Maybe we can have a civilised discussion here again.

I can agree with all those, that was the arguing about this whole time.

[Benotonia]

With that, I ask Slak, and potentially others, to join me in our little strike and refusal to go on under these conditions anymore. We intend to head off and create our own event, and escape from the discrimination we found ourselves against here.

It is one thing to be unhappy about something but it is a different thing to try to destroy Cardulan's work

My intent isn't to destroy the RP. -.- Bohemoravia is spreading slander.

I agree with Bohemoravia here. Using the thread to call others to leave the RP and join another event to "punish" the OP is threadjacking.

[Caracasus]

From Opplandia:

- everything should be toned-down a littlebit to reasonable numbers

Agreed. Let's not forget there is a naval blockade and a no-fly zone in place. Part of the reason for this occurring is because people were moving silly numbers of troops and ships in. Oehiton is a wreck - it has very few standing cities and almost no infrastructure - the vast majority of its population is now sheltering in the ruins dependent on foreign aid. This isn't a country that can support large numbers of troops.

- better planning/discussion in the OOC

Oh god yes. If you're planning a major offensive, please let people know! TG them if it's not something that can be said on OOC.

- returning to the roots of this war and it´s aspects

As long as this doesn't interrupt the merry saga of the Oehitonain A-Team Kjoll, Seb, Keynes and Birla I think this is a good idea. It's become very disparate at the moment. Have a plan, and try to stick to it.

- more kindness and respect in general.

Self explanatory and cannot be stated enough.

One more thing for people posting. Posting about the strengths of your players or armies is fine - but please, please, please build in some weaknesses too! It's a non-dice based RP - and as such we can all pull stuff to make our guys invulnerable, but that is absolutely no fun at all.

For example (and I'm using my nation because I can better explain things with it), Caracasus has been played as a borderline MT/PMT state. Caracasus has highly advanced troop body armour, T.U.S.K destroyers, orbital weapons, all kinds of neat spy stuff and god knows what else. I could have made my freighters invulnerable and stuck a hundred guys in Elephant Hide on every aid convoy - I didn't though because if I did that then I'd take no bloody losses. Instead I looked at what could undermine Caracasus - so I went with the fact that it's a nation that takes democracy to extremes - there's so much argument in Caracasus that it's very difficult to ensure that the mission would get enough supplies to start with, Caracasus has a completely different social and economic model that has caused friction and misunderstanding in Oehiton on both sides, the citizens are never going to support a war of aggression and other nations know that and could (and have) used it, propoganda etc. has a very real effect on how my nation reacts to things and Caracasus's stance on civil rights makes it something of a soft target for acts of terrorism. Hence we have a mission that is broadly effective in accomplishing its aims but has to overcome very significant challenges and obstacles to do so.

You have other examples. Tekeristan's power grab worked, momentarily, but he played a nation that overextended its reach and paid for it - and he played loosing well - Tekeristan is now shellshocked and is suffering the kind of blow to its collective psyche that we'd expect. S.C.A.R have high morale and a lot of popular support - they are however under equipped technologically speaking and about as fantastically disciplined as you'd expect a bunch of armed rebels to be. Cardulan has a powerful military but its reluctance to fully engage in the war has cost it in the past and will likely do so in the future - now they have to balance the possibility of fighting a protracted guerrilla war that could go on for decades. Albie made great strides at the start but (before they stopped posting for a while) let their arrogance get the better of them - leading them into very difficult positions. The Doom Legions arrived in Vik expecting a war, and are now saddled with a humanitarian crisis that they're woefully underequipped and prepared for that will sap their ability to move forward with the conflict. Watersville provides humanitarian aid, but the idealism of their mission and their strict pacifism has made them targets.

I guess I'd like to say that losing can be fun, and is most certainly absolutely vital to progressing the story.

[Tekeristan]

Good to see Caracasus finally supports to what we've been asking for. >~>

[Opplandia]

Good to see Caracasus finally supports to what we've been asking for. >~>

well, let´s say it´s good that people are willing to discuss about this.

[Caracasus]

I've supported this kind of thing throughout.

[Paginista]

From Opplandia:


You have other examples. Tekeristan's power grab worked, momentarily, but he played a nation that overextended its reach and paid for it - and he played loosing well - Tekeristan is now shellshocked and is suffering the kind of blow to its collective psyche that we'd expect. S.C.A.R have high morale and a lot of popular support - they are however under equipped technologically speaking and about as fantastically disciplined as you'd expect a bunch of armed rebels to be. Cardulan has a powerful military but its reluctance to fully engage in the war has cost it in the past and will likely do so in the future - now they have to balance the possibility of fighting a protracted guerrilla war that could go on for decades. Albie made great strides at the start but (before they stopped posting for a while) let their arrogance get the better of them - leading them into very difficult positions. The Doom Legions arrived in Vik expecting a war, and are now saddled with a humanitarian crisis that they're woefully underequipped and prepared for that will sap their ability to move forward with the conflict. Watersville provides humanitarian aid, but the idealism of their mission and their strict pacifism has made them targets.

I guess I'd like to say that losing can be fun, and is most certainly absolutely vital to progressing the story.

Kinda adding the panthers and Paginista to it:

The panthers although brave and have large swathes of territory still use outdated vehicles, including like has been said many times before improvised armoured cars. Any sort of post 1950's AT weapon will take them out no problem, their T-55's that they use as their man battle tanks slightly deal with this issue bu putting rubber skirting around the tanks, however said skirting is clumsy and adds weight, slowing them down. They'll also suffer the fact that their only airpower when Paginista isnt directly intervening is a few 1950's soko jets (G-2 Galeb) that they can't maintain, replace or fuel half the time due to the huge fuel demands for the ground forces. They are also close to civil war over the issue of the treatment of Pagans and the 'selling out' of their 'heroes' bu mauzer to at least save part of his skin in future

[Slakonian]

From Opplandia:


You have other examples. Tekeristan's power grab worked, momentarily, but he played a nation that overextended its reach and paid for it - and he played loosing well - Tekeristan is now shellshocked and is suffering the kind of blow to its collective psyche that we'd expect. S.C.A.R have high morale and a lot of popular support - they are however under equipped technologically speaking and about as fantastically disciplined as you'd expect a bunch of armed rebels to be. Cardulan has a powerful military but its reluctance to fully engage in the war has cost it in the past and will likely do so in the future - now they have to balance the possibility of fighting a protracted guerrilla war that could go on for decades. Albie made great strides at the start but (before they stopped posting for a while) let their arrogance get the better of them - leading them into very difficult positions. The Doom Legions arrived in Vik expecting a war, and are now saddled with a humanitarian crisis that they're woefully underequipped and prepared for that will sap their ability to move forward with the conflict. Watersville provides humanitarian aid, but the idealism of their mission and their strict pacifism has made them targets.

I guess I'd like to say that losing can be fun, and is most certainly absolutely vital to progressing the story.

Kinda adding the panthers and Paginista to it:

The panthers although brave and have large swathes of territory still use outdated vehicles, including like has been said many times before improvised armoured cars. Any sort of post 1950's AT weapon will take them out no problem, their T-55's that they use as their man battle tanks slightly deal with this issue bu putting rubber skirting around the tanks, however said skirting is clumsy and adds weight, slowing them down. They'll also suffer the fact that their only airpower when Paginista isnt directly intervening is a few 1950's soko jets (G-2 Galeb) that they can't maintain, replace or fuel half the time due to the huge fuel demands for the ground forces. They are also close to civil war over the issue of the treatment of Pagans and the 'selling out' of their 'heroes' bu mauzer to at least save part of his skin in future

We all bow to the Panthers . My top favorite group