Stop Killing My People! [OOC]

[Tekeristan]

Yep. My patience with it all snapped after a while Slak. But it's still interesting to see where this is going.

[Paginista]

Yeah, me and cardulan did our strikes. He freaked out saying it was god mod even though he had commited it as well and it was us replying to it in force. He said he'll ignore us and then i think cardy had some words with him

What I like with all of you is that you never, ever miss a target with your bombers as if they were TIE bombers. If someone RP's that he got even some of them down you start screaming NO THEY DID NOT. Agua was decent RPer more or less. Also if it is possible for all northern coalition of the SCUM drop the paragon act bullshit? It's getting tiresome your saint soldiers having ultra supply jet packs killing with Rambo style(yeah you know what i mean). What I liked from the Panthers which was a true(and evil) paramilitary force that is committing war crimes(no I don't get a erection on war crimes but I like the whole RP idea) and a fearful one that hates pagans and crucifies them for fun. You have to give some "food" for the Oehitans to post for, because behind every propaganda there is some truth, some note people.

What I don't like from the SCUM is that they are the beloved saints, every one has a bad side. I only shown my bad one but soon I will give mine good side soon. Also no logical society wouldn't have raised a pitchfork against an Opplandian war criminal but raises freaking bazookas when -

We are interrupting this shitpost to inform you that our spy drones who came out of thin fart air with the speed of light gave us information that in ALFSUND STRONK POW POW occurs all the time. Oh we have live feed to and EYE witnesses and of course voodo magic that can help see through the eyes of the dead too apparently.

I mean c'mon, and I have Flauc whining for me not posting for three days when pretty much many people post too many smallish posts to the duration of three freaking days and ME trying to adjust right the story.

Well im sorry that my brain is too fired from studying for exams the last few months to coherently keep the themes together. And yes I will start getting back into the serb style genocide stuff... There will be camps a coming

[Slakonian]

Yep. My patience with it all snapped after a while Slak. I'm have considering going off and starting a new conflict in some fictional area to use as fun and a training ground for posts.

What I don't like is they don't police themselves due they are on the same side. Well to give ourselves a small edge how about all warlords and orkfjellian rebel soldiers suddenly swear fealty to the Kongshammer gov? So that can someone stand up and fight due the commies are more or less done.

Due to you know as I stated above. Don't get me wrong, the thread is good but I don't like is those angels led by God's hammer are purifying the land with their TIE bombers,

[Paginista]

Yep. My patience with it all snapped after a while Slak. I'm have considering going off and starting a new conflict in some fictional area to use as fun and a training ground for posts.

What I don't like is they don't police themselves due they are on the same side. Well to give ourselves a small edge how about all warlords and orkfjellian rebel soldiers suddenly swear fealty to the Kongshammer gov? So that can someone stand up and fight due the commies are more or less done.

Due to you know as I stated above. Don't get me wrong, the thread is good but I don't like is those angels led by God's hammer are purifying the land with their TIE bombers,

Would you like to have the pleasure of defeting the panthers in a good old battle? They gotta have a big setback and i'm gunna start their own 'civil' war after exams finish next week

[Slakonian]

What I don't like is they don't police themselves due they are on the same side. Well to give ourselves a small edge how about all warlords and orkfjellian rebel soldiers suddenly swear fealty to the Kongshammer gov? So that can someone stand up and fight due the commies are more or less done.

Due to you know as I stated above. Don't get me wrong, the thread is good but I don't like is those angels led by God's hammer are purifying the land with their TIE bombers,

Would you like to have the pleasure of defeting the panthers in a good old battle? They gotta have a big setback and i'm gunna start their own 'civil' war after exams finish next week

Hmm, well maybe Traz could make a tactical retreat in order to let the both of us slaughter each other while he takes over Askvoll and linking up with the Kongshammer government forces? That could work.

[Tekeristan]

I really have to question Orkfjell soldiers suddenly switching sides as well, considering what Opplandia did to Orkfjell, considering that ally aircraft are constantly blowing up all the infrastructure around, and considering they know what the Kongshammer government has done to socialists/communists.

[Trazentiocheia]

Would you like to have the pleasure of defeting the panthers in a good old battle? They gotta have a big setback and i'm gunna start their own 'civil' war after exams finish next week

Hmm, well maybe Traz could make a tactical retreat in order to let the both of us slaughter each other while he takes over Askvoll and linking up with the Kongshammer government forces? That could work.

Going to sleep now, I'll comment on this tomorrow for OOCly I would like to give you your fight but there're some IC complications for me leaving Alfsund be. Anyway, see ya all tomorrow.

Sorry fr slowing you down, btw, but you two are still busy RL, right?

[Paginista]

Would you like to have the pleasure of defeting the panthers in a good old battle? They gotta have a big setback and i'm gunna start their own 'civil' war after exams finish next week

Hmm, well maybe Traz could make a tactical retreat in order to let the both of us slaughter each other while he takes over Askvoll and linking up with the Kongshammer government forces? That could work.

That could work. The panthers sould be run back across the great lake to the christian majority provinces and 'work camps' for pagans would be found along the way

[Slakonian]

Hmm, well maybe Traz could make a tactical retreat in order to let the both of us slaughter each other while he takes over Askvoll and linking up with the Kongshammer government forces? That could work.

Going to sleep now, I'll comment on this tomorrow for OOCly I would like to give you your fight but there're some IC complications for me leaving Alfsund be. Anyway, see ya all tomorrow.

Sorry fr slowing you down, btw, but you two are still busy RL, right?

More or less but no need to hurry mate for us! Also not to worry, when you leave he comes so that we can still have the war timing and when he leaves you come back again. that will confuse the defenders

[Dogs of War]

I think the biggest problem here is mixing up propaganda with facts. Benotonia’s post was perfectly legitimate since he did never state that he was saying the truth. He actually was right on being allowed to make his TV stations telling whatever he likes. All allegations were made in direct speech, and I can’t see any problems with that. Direct speech can hardly be considered godmodding. Propaganda is a very important tool and you should use it well. Godmodding is to some extend still encouraged in the threat (e.g Slakonian having Orkfjell soldiers switch allegiance to Kongshammer. I am sure he has a plan with that.)

I think the massive alliance post was absolutely necessary in my opinion because the no fly zone was completely ignored and just considered nonexistent for the sake of land grabbing.

As for Gente Del Agua, he did not surrender. He quit the RP for various reasons, one being time. His troops are still around and in the future they might evacuate to Tekeristan via Nangajala. For now this information is strictly OOC and should not be used in IC posts.

[Tekeristan]

viewtopic.php?p=441511#p441511

This was a fun read.

[Dogs of War]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=441511#p441511

This was a fun read.

Actually it was a bit boring and more captain-obvious-to-the-rescue-thing. It is also plain stupid because it contradicts the very idea of role playing. This is not a milsim and nerver can be. There is much more to winning a war than logistics. The next entry is a lot more interesting, and actually helpful for RP purpose. It is funny that in all the RPs I had over the years the same occures over and over again. The player who thinks his side is losing quits the RP to at least have the satisfaction that he could spoil the fun for the others in the last moment.

[Tekeristan]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=441511#p441511

This was a fun read.

Actually it was a bit boring and more captain-obvious-to-the-rescue-thing. It is also plain stupid because it contradicts the very idea of role playing. This is not a milsim and nerver can be. There is much more to winning a war than logistics. The next entry is a lot more interesting, and actually helpful for RP purpose. It is funny that in all the RPs I had over the years the same occures over and over again. The player who thinks his side is losing quits the RP to at least have the satisfaction that he could spoil the fun for the others in the last moment.

Hint hint taken. But I left for several reasons, and if you wish to know them just ask. I'm willing to explain my actions.

I posted mine as a hint hint as well, as logistics are a massive part of the roleplay going down. However it has been completely overlooked in some circumstances through the use of number wanking or otherwise. How good logistics are displays how the soldiers are fighting, and that changes the scene of what these people are facing. The state of how logistics can move also depicts how things are for the civilians, and yet there hasn't been a single post on the potienital mass-starvation the people of Orkfjell are faced against; or soldiers with like a half full magazine left and only single meals. These are major elements to a story, and even massively more for one focused around a war.

[Dogs of War]

There was not much on a hint in it. The logistics thing is pointless if you allow every thing to be that gigantic as it is in nationstates. They take normal sized nations as basis yet no such thing exists in this game. Let’s take my nation compared to the USA for example. I would have 4 billon citizens compared to the USA’s 300 million. I have gdp of 760 billion compared to the usa’s 16 billion and finally a defense budget of 44.5 compared to the usa’s 3.5 which might explain why the only thing I really like about the nations are the flags. So the nationstates stats can hardly be used, yet players always come up with them in an rp: I have the better human rights than you! Claiming that a nation like mine could not deploy 300 tanks is just plain stupid. I can’t help but laugh at the idea that just because it is not explicitly stated it does not exist. This is one of the dumbest, yet most frequently encountered moves on nationstates. Second only to my iron-dome-is-better-because-pokemon. If some one fires cruise missiles, consider him firing decoys too. If some one deploys tanks, consider them to have fuel. I don’t see any reason to make NS wars more complex than video games just because someone has read a wikipedia entry on logistics and now thinks he knows how wars are fought. There is a lot more to it, for example the problems democracies would face. Caracasus was the only one including that in his posts. All other nations are totalitarian dictatorships with not the trace of an opposition, well I think Bohemoravia had something like that too. In some states the public opinion can decide the outcome of a war and is much more important than logistics. Logistics are not too bad for an RP but my opinion is if Gente Del Agua wants to RP some anarchist pirates who landed on the shores of Oehiton he should be allowed to do so. Sure, they don’t have a nation that supplies them and they could not have ammo or fuel or missiles when they just departed from a war but what use would that be? When some one wants to participate in the RP he should be allowed to and the rest should be settled in the OOC. If the maximum amount of troops is not set people will come up with armies according to their ridiculous stats. Than there is the problem that soldiers don’t actually sacrifices themselves. They don’t kill themselves for some ideology, they surrender if things get too difficult or they flee. There is weather, there is terrain…this can go on for hours. Besides all that you did not seem to have read to many of the posts other people had done in the RP. I always had the feeling that up to 80 percent of the population were depending on international aid according to Caracasus’ estimates. People in Orkfjell are revolting because their towns are used as baits to provoke allied air strikes and so on. Besides that no one has stopped you from writing that stuff. A lot of problems with realism from all the years of role playing I learned that a very good way to get these things done is do them yourself. Take care of your own logistics and others will follow. What your troops can do, what your missiles can do, what your stealth bombers can do, all that can those of the others too.

[Tekeristan]

There was not much on a hint in it. The logistics thing is pointless if you allow every thing to be that gigantic as it is in nationstates. They take normal sized nations as basis yet no such thing exists in this game. Let’s take my nation compared to the USA for example. I would have 4 billon citizens compared to the USA’s 300 million. I have gdp of 760 billion compared to the usa’s 16 billion and finally a defense budget of 44.5 compared to the usa’s 3.5 which might explain why the only thing I really like about the nations are the flags. So the nationstates stats can hardly be used, yet players always come up with them in an rp: I have the better human rights than you! Claiming that a nation like mine could not deploy 300 tanks is just plain stupid. I can’t help but laugh at the idea that just because it is not explicitly stated it does not exist. This is one of the dumbest, yet most frequently encountered moves on nationstates. Second only to my iron-dome-is-better-because-pokemon. If some one fires cruise missiles, consider him firing decoys too. If some one deploys tanks, consider them to have fuel. I don’t see any reason to make NS wars more complex than video games just because someone has read a wikipedia entry on logistics and now thinks he knows how wars are fought. There is a lot more to it, for example the problems democracies would face. Caracasus was the only one including that in his posts. All other nations are totalitarian dictatorships with not the trace of an opposition, well I think Bohemoravia had something like that too. In some states the public opinion can decide the outcome of a war and is much more important than logistics. Logistics are not too bad for an RP but my opinion is if Gente Del Agua wants to RP some anarchist pirates who landed on the shores of Oehiton he should be allowed to do so. Sure, they don’t have a nation that supplies them and they could not have ammo or fuel or missiles when they just departed from a war but what use would that be? When some one wants to participate in the RP he should be allowed to and the rest should be settled in the OOC. If the maximum amount of troops is not set people will come up with armies according to their ridiculous stats. Than there is the problem that soldiers don’t actually sacrifices themselves. They don’t kill themselves for some ideology, they surrender if things get too difficult or they flee. There is weather, there is terrain…this can go on for hours. Besides all that you did not seem to have read to many of the posts other people had done in the RP. I always had the feeling that up to 80 percent of the population were depending on international aid according to Caracasus’ estimates. People in Orkfjell are revolting because their towns are used as baits to provoke allied air strikes and so on. Besides that no one has stopped you from writing that stuff. A lot of problems with realism from all the years of role playing I learned that a very good way to get these things done is do them yourself. Take care of your own logistics and others will follow. What your troops can do, what your missiles can do, what your stealth bombers can do, all that can those of the others too.

Yes, I know that the nations of nationstates are different from the nations of real life; there is little point going over that.

The point of the problem is balance, and story making.

The point I bring up logistics is that it's the counter for godmodding and can be a big element for storytelling. I don't ever mean to go as far as setting up complete supply routes, no. Opplandia will be my example for this.

Opplandia has arrived with around 90 warships, going upwards to the size of battleships. With that he has instantly become untouchable in any naval regard, and now uses this massive fleet to fire off thousands of cruise missiles seemingly every week. With this, he has his entire country on military stand by and seemingly refuses to take any form of loses with this. We seem to ignore how outright expensive this would be, and ignore the other results of such actions unless they hurt the " enemy team ".

I hope I don't need to explain why this is just not fun for anyone in the opposition, and is just outright toxic for story elements.

For story telling the factor of logistics plays into things. My example will be Orkfjell.

Orkfjell is surrounded by an ungodly sized naval blockade, and at the same time is under constant bombardment from the air and sea. There are several conflicts scattered around with very little fuel to go around. This has a massive effect on how the roleplay will be done down there.

This gives the perspectives of under armed soldiers who are very used to walking and very good at hiding from aircraft. With no communication via radio or the like have grown to use flags and other means to communicate.

[Slakonian]

Well DoW, actually these Orkjell soldiers swearing allegiance to Kongshammer is a rumour by the refugees while it would have been a logical move and maybe the only one. Why?

Well, I am sure the only troops that remain loyal to Orkjell REC are the Red Guards. The rest I am pretty sure they remember the Opplandia bombings and will now fight more bitter against their former comrades as they view them nothing more than traitors and thus swearing fealty to Oehiton to have a fighting chance against all of us.

I have no illusions, I will lose the war but let it be being remembered as a the greatest battle in NS history.

[Slakonian]

Also Tekeri you forgot Opplandia making a whole fuss about a single god damned dead pilot and thankfully Dogs made him to understand that it was a long time ago AND there are always casualties in war.

[Paginista]

Well DoW, actually these Orkjell soldiers swearing allegiance to Kongshammer is a rumour by the refugees while it would have been a logical move and maybe the only one. Why?

Well, I am sure the only troops that remain loyal to Orkjell REC are the Red Guards. The rest I am pretty sure they remember the Opplandia bombings and will now fight more bitter against their former comrades as they view them nothing more than traitors and thus swearing fealty to Oehiton to have a fighting chance against all of us.

I have no illusions, I will lose the war but let it be being remembered as a the greatest battle in NS history.

And you may as well give the panthers an actual fight too. They need a good asskickin

[Caracasus]

For what it's worth I tend to use the NS stats as a broad indicator of what that nation may be like - i.e. a nation with few civil rights on their stats probably isn't going to be a particularly nice place to live, a nation that spends half their government budget on defense is going to have a large army, a nation with above 150 on scientific advancement is probably gonna be pretty scientifically advanced and so on.It's an indicator but clearly it's not perfect.

[Slakonian]

Well DoW, actually these Orkjell soldiers swearing allegiance to Kongshammer is a rumour by the refugees while it would have been a logical move and maybe the only one. Why?

Well, I am sure the only troops that remain loyal to Orkjell REC are the Red Guards. The rest I am pretty sure they remember the Opplandia bombings and will now fight more bitter against their former comrades as they view them nothing more than traitors and thus swearing fealty to Oehiton to have a fighting chance against all of us.

I have no illusions, I will lose the war but let it be being remembered as a the greatest battle in NS history.

And you may as well give the panthers an actual fight too. They need a good asskickin

Well, I could force the panthers hand to kill their pagan comrades by crushing them into defeat lol

[Opplandia]

Also Tekeri you forgot Opplandia making a whole fuss about a single god damned dead pilot and thankfully Dogs made him to understand that it was a long time ago AND there are always casualties in war.

impossible casualties remain impossible, no matter how much you say 'it´s done, get over it'.

[Tekeristan]

Also Tekeri you forgot Opplandia making a whole fuss about a single god damned dead pilot and thankfully Dogs made him to understand that it was a long time ago AND there are always casualties in war.

impossible casualties remain impossible, no matter how much you say 'it´s done, get over it'.

Just like it's somehow AGAINST the rules for someone to defend themselves. Stating the damages committed by your own actions and not allowing other players to do any input is godmodding.

[Opplandia]

impossible casualties remain impossible, no matter how much you say 'it´s done, get over it'.

Just like it's somehow AGAINST the rules for someone to defend themselves. Stating the damages committed by your own actions and not allowing other players to do any input is godmodding.

says the one who had mobile missile-launchers appear out of nowhere, right on the edge of a cliff.

[Tekeristan]

Just like it's somehow AGAINST the rules for someone to defend themselves. Stating the damages committed by your own actions and not allowing other players to do any input is godmodding.

says the one who had mobile missile-launchers appear out of nowhere, right on the edge of a cliff.

Nope, those launchers were from the Tekeristan occupation of Sundland. The launchers are positioned on the coastline of Sundland. It makes complete logical sense that Tekeristan would bring such instruments during its time in Sundland; and how I said I left all the military vehicles and supplies with the Orkfjell troops. The troops operating them have been trained by Tekeristani operators, but they are Orkfjell troops.

I believe I even had a number of them posted in my ORBAT that I made a long while back.

But your actions have simply been godmodding. Firing thousands of cruise missiles, driving around a gigantic and unstoppable navy, leaving your country on complete militaristic defense lockdown for weeks, posting damages and not letting players act in defense, and so on. These actions are simply toxic.

It also highlights the refusal for police action from other alliance members on actions such as this. When Bentonia posted on the " Alfsund Genocide " whilst it was literally impossible to even know such actions were going down other then there is a major battle in that area the Alliance media LEAPT onboard and shipped with it. When Opplandia fired cruise missiles at Orkfjell, and I made the post to defend the city I was told to take my post down and replace it. So there is a hefty divide in all this.

[Cardulan]

-whinging-
What I don't like from the SCUM is that they are the beloved saints, every one has a bad side.

–more whining-

We are interrupting this shitpost to inform you that our spy drones who came out of thin fart air with the speed of light gave us information that in ALFSUND STRONK POW POW occurs all the time. Oh we have live feed to and EYE witnesses and of course voodo magic that can help see through the eyes of the dead too apparently.
-even more whining-

This is quite interesting as there has not been a single offensive operation of the SCAR for weeks, while your godmodding is quite out of hand. You confirmed than the guys in the estates don't have weapons, than you claim in the IC that they have. Though not as propaganda but as fact. This is a very good example of godmodding. Information of the massacre becomes public and you whine in the OOC that you have locked the city airtight while flying on magic carpets through the no-fly zone. This might not count as godmodding but it is a good example of very bad RP.

You also use your puppet to run the Wolves while DoW explicitly told you not to. Not with the intend to promote the story in any way but for the sole purpose of having them commit a lot of war crimes which is…guess what? Yeah right, godmodding and bad role playing at the same time.

Don't get me wrong here, to me this was all about having fun and being nice and friendly. I normally do not complain about what other people do but I do stand up for my friends. Your allegations are completely baseless and you are not in the position to make such claims.

-a lot of whining- and ignore the other results of such actions unless they hurt the " enemy team ".

This is a perfect summary of your actions. Whining about Opplandia deploying three carrier groups but doing absolutely nothing about Gente del Agua teleporting 300 ships out of nowhere, magically whizzing through the no-fly zone and bombing all cities in Oehiton while his invisible helicopters reached Norvik and droped off ground troops is not very believable I must say. I can't see how this would improve the game. I even made you co-OP so you could take care of this but apparently this did not matter to you. Do you aim to poison the RP in hope of more people leaving it?

It needs to be said now. You should all stop whining and throwing around baseless and stupid accusations. If you have constructive criticism, feel free to post your ideas or improve your own game play. If you would like to poison the game for those who like it than just post your good byes and piss off. If you have something to say about other players than you do that in a very, very nice way. If you can't do that, you keep it to yourself and continue playing without complaining at all or you might just say good bye.

I want to run a story driven role play here were all the participants cooperate. Now I have to spend my time to lecture people about the mote and the beam which is not very pleasant. I leave you with this.