[IC] [TWI-Only] The League of TWI (Assembly)

[Great-Imperialonia]

“Excellencies, please let me explain myself further”

Isis Fairglass had foreseen all the objections.

“There is no such rule stating we should recognise a government just because it has the strongest grip on the country. The communist-nationalist government of President Nijakov of the CPNA is a regime that rose to power undemocratically in a one-party system. If we do not act, the USRNA/EUSR will only plunge us into more wars.

As the right honourable delegate from Corindia mentioned, we want a new stable, though more reliable and democratic nation. This is the perfect moment to shift balance in the region. We see the people of New Aapelistan already starting to publicly endorse him, with all the risk with it, because they see him as the only alternative to the communist regime. Indeed we do not have any quarrel with the people, but than let us truly seize this moment to finally come to aid and help that same people. If it is with this Emperor-Pretender, so be it. He has a strong claim to the Aprosian throne and will re-install a democratic capitalist nation with an elected bicameral congress. Just like Belle Isle en Terre just mentioned: sometimes a monarchy can be the strongest way to re-install a democracy.”

Lady Fairglass sat down

“Could the delegates opposing, please give us an alternate way to deal with the communist regime without forsaking the people of New Aapelistan once more?”

[Verdon]

"With all due respect Lady Fairglass, you seemed to have missed the point of our objection. The League is not an institution that should be recognizing claimants or choosing which parties are most legitimate. Your request is impossible."

[Atnaia]

"I stand with the representative of Verdon," Barburj said. "The League is not the place to decide whether one rule or another is 'legitimate'. We are not the arbitrators of sovereignty. As soon as we start picking and choosing who gets to rule which country, we've moved from a body focused on maintaining peaceful coexistence to an imperial government in its own right. The League does not get to choose rulers. It does not get to choose leaders. Let these matters be sorted out by the nations in question, and only when international peace is threatened should we become involved. Even then, we would not stand with one side or the other, but the people being harmed."

Barburj waved a hand. "Frankly, I find it ridiculous that it's even been brought up."

[Corindia]

"The EUSR does not meet the definition of a sovereign nation; its constituent nations have their own treaties and agreements with other nations throughout the Isles. Perhaps when they want to start acting like a sovereign nation then the question of their legitimacy can be meaningfully raised."

[Great-Imperialonia]

“The right honourable delegate from Polar Svalbard brought in the resolution to recognise the government of the Kahngate of Bhikkustan over the communist government that is effectively ruling the nation. They even got their own delegate and observer status. Precedent has been created your excellencies. I will not ask for any observer status, I simply ask your nations to break all ties still existing with the USNRA, for it is hypocrisy of the highest order to still continue to recognise a government so cruel to it’s own citizens.

New Aapelistan has been sanctioned by the League, I wish to simply extend this by asking all nations to break ties with the communist regime and recognise Nicholas’ government instead. In respond to the right honourable delegate of Verdon, we have no resolution to present, we ask for no official League observer status for Emperor Nicholas, we simply wanted to bring up this issue to express our opinion on this most important matter, as it is of great concern to the region and the League members, and urge other League members to, when the time is there and the choice between the USRNA and Aprosian Constitutional Empire is inevitable, you will make the right one.”

[Bhikkustan]

Fatima turned angrily to face the Verdonian delegate.
"You cannot deny our true government's right to representation. This current "EUSR" is merely a ruse to undermine the great Bhikkustani nation and its historical legitimacy. The EUSR cannot have the popular support of the people"

[Polar Svalbard]

Stephanie gave a faint laugh, "Polar Svalbard will do what it sees best to maintain international peace and security. Whether that is pursuing League resolutions, issuing sanctions, or fighting down in the South Mesder. So far all our actions have been motivated towards the dissolution of this phantom state that is the EUSR. Our goals are to remove them from the Mesder, reinstall the rightful government of Bhikkustan and hopefully make sure New Aapelistan will not disturb the peace again. This has been a struggle that has been going on for more than a few years now, trying to state that we are hypocritical is just willfully ignoring the momentum that is occurring in the world right now. Commuist forces will be removed from the South Mesder, Bhikkustan will be back to being a sovereign nation, and as to what happens to New Aapelistan, we shall see in the peace deal."

Stephanie turned towards Lady Fairglass, "I do not know where Great-Imperialonia stands on this matter, but Polar Svalbard does not wish to add rouge elements into the already occurring war that we are waging against malignant forces in the East."

Stephanie looked across the assembled delegates, "In the end we are here to promote security, and Polar Svalbard and our allies have been the forefront of that fight. Do not misinterpret our actions."

[Covonant]

"Covonant supports wholeheartedly the combined efforts of the league to denounce the regime currently taking hold in both Bhikkustan and New Aapelistan while making a bold stance of recognizing Nicholas Alexander ad the rightful ruler to New Aapelistan. The Union of Covonant government has already recognized the claims made by Nicholas Alexander and believe this organization should go even further in applying strong pressures against both Bhikkustan and New Aapelistan to send a message to the regimes currently taking hostage of the people that their disregards of international principles must not and will not be tolerated. Covonant has for the past few months have been an ardent proponent in adding pressures towards the two states that have consistently brought instability to the region. How much more instability must we see before we say enough is enough. Covonant will continue to apply pressures on Bhikkustan and New Aapelistan until we see the tides in government change and a acceptance of human rights and the people being given greater freedom over their life choices." Expressed Ashur Baptiste.

[Verdon]

"I'm sorry, I was unaware that deposed governments had the right to be recognized by multinational organizations.

"If the delegation from Polar Svalbard would legitimize a derelict government from Bhikkustan, why would they not recognize a claim on New Aapelistan? If all their actions are motivated toward the dissolution of the EUSR, why would they not take this as an opportunity to undermine EUSR authority? Why would you not use this as a chance to formulate a post-war plan to stabilize New Aapelistan since you've admitted that the peace deal could be ambiguous? Do not laugh at our accusations of hypocrisy when your inconsistant rhetoric makes them justified."

[Corindia]

"I'm sorry, I was unaware that deposed governments had the right to be recognized by multinational organizations.

"If the delegation from Polar Svalbard would legitimize a derelict government from Bhikkustan, why would they not recognize a claim on New Aapelistan? If all their actions are motivated toward the dissolution of the EUSR, why would they not take this as an opportunity to undermine EUSR authority? Why would you not use this as a chance to formulate a post-war plan to stabilize New Aapelistan since you've admitted that the peace deal could be ambiguous? Do not laugh at our accusations of hypocrisy when your inconsistant rhetoric makes them justified."

"The simple answer is that, contrary to the propaganda spouted in said nations, they don't make every decision based on what's worst for the so-called EUSR, but rather based on many factors and nuances, including legitimacy, the common welfare of the Isles, and the safety and protection of their citizens."

[Verdon]

"The simple answer is that, contrary to the propaganda spouted in said nations, they don't make every decision based on what's worst for the so-called EUSR, but rather based on many factors and nuances, including legitimacy, the common welfare of the Isles, and the safety and protection of their citizens."

"The League is not the place to pick and choose strategies. Precedents are set here."

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

'And those precedents must be followed," added Giles.

[Corindia]

"The simple answer is that, contrary to the propaganda spouted in said nations, they don't make every decision based on what's worst for the so-called EUSR, but rather based on many factors and nuances, including legitimacy, the common welfare of the Isles, and the safety and protection of their citizens."

"The League is not the place to pick and choose strategies. Precedents are set here."

"I think you're underestimating the complexity of politics and law. You mention precedent but make no accommodation for differing circumstances. The whole reason we meet here to create solutions, rather than consult a finite manual is because of the need to craft individual solutions for each problem at hand so as to maximize the greater good. We consult precedent as we do this of course, but by no means apply it to situations in which it is not relevant"

[Verdon]

"I think you're underestimating the complexity of politics and law. You mention precedent but make no accommodation for differing circumstances. The whole reason we meet here to create solutions, rather than consult a finite manual is because of the need to craft individual solutions for each problem at hand so as to maximize the greater good. We consult precedent as we do this of course, but by no means apply it to situations in which it is not relevant"

"If you would review the record I have already noted the similarities and differences in circumstances between the legitimization of these claims versus those of the exiled Bhikkustan. I am very well aware that differing circumstances should lead to different actions, but the logic that drives those actions should at least be consistent."

[Corindia]

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"I think you're underestimating the complexity of politics and law. You mention precedent but make no accommodation for differing circumstances. The whole reason we meet here to create solutions, rather than consult a finite manual is because of the need to craft individual solutions for each problem at hand so as to maximize the greater good. We consult precedent as we do this of course, but by no means apply it to situations in which it is not relevant"

"If you would review the record I have already noted the similarities and differences in circumstances between the legitimization of these claims versus those of the exiled Bhikkustan. I am very well aware that differing circumstances should lead to different actions, but the logic that drives those actions should at least be consistent."

"Consistent logic does not always lead to the same results in different situations."

[Verona Beach]

"Verona Beach uses a standard three-part recognition system for each nation. Does it have a claim to a territory, does it control at least some of that territory, and does it run the essential functions of a government- you know, collecting taxes, enforcing the law, building infrastructure, and et cetera.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, Madam Fairglass, but your Aprosian Imperial Government does... none of this, correct? What benefits are we, and this body as a whole, to gain from recognizing a government that does not function as a government? Forgive me for being harsh here." Spencer stated bluntly.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

Sir Giles smiled,“I too, shall be plain with you. The Bhikkustani Khangate violates that definition too, yet here it is, residing in these hallowed halls, which the Emporer has so politely refrained from asking, thus burdening us less than the Khangate. While your definition is not unreasonable, it is most unreasonable to impose your definition on the League, and, more importantly, to reject a foundation for the Stabilisation of the East.”

[Great-Imperialonia]

"Verona Beach uses a standard three-part recognition system for each nation. Does it have a claim to a territory, does it control at least some of that territory, and does it run the essential functions of a government- you know, collecting taxes, enforcing the law, building infrastructure, and et cetera.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, Madam Fairglass, but your Aprosian Imperial Government does... none of this, correct? What benefits are we, and this body as a whole, to gain from recognizing a government that does not function as a government? Forgive me for being harsh here." Spencer stated bluntly.

“First might I compliment the right honourable delegate with the three standers as I think they are a fair way to define a legitimate government and the same three my government upholds.

To start second one, Emperor Nicholas has a strong claim to the territory, as his direct ancestors ruled the lands once, before being overthrown. Nicholas II also formed a government, with a First Minister Viktor Aristov and other ministries such as the Ministry of Defence, Ministry of Infrastructure, Ministry of Foreign Affairs etc. The Ministry of Domestic Affairs is currently investigating the possibility of temporarily appointing congressmen.

The only problem we have according to your standards, is that he lacks the possession of territory, but there are various reports of monarchist fractions trying to claim towns in his name. There are even reports of our intelligence agencies of monarchist fractions in the high positions of New Aapelistan trying to get more influence in the name of the Džehar Nicholas.”

[Verona Beach]

Sir Giles smiled,“I too, shall be plain with you. The Bhikkustani Khangate violates that definition too, yet here it is, residing in these hallowed halls, which the Emporer has so politely refrained from asking, thus burdening us less than the Khangate. While your definition is not unreasonable, it is most unreasonable to impose your definition on the League, and, more importantly, to establish a foundation for the Stabilisation of the East.”

"Our standard is not unique to us, dear delegate. The Veronite government has also made no statement regarding Bhikkustan at the moment on which government is legitimate. Thank you for your concern, but Verona Beach is not in a position to impose most anything in a body formed for cooperation above all else." Spencer nodded.

“First might I compliment the right honourable delegate with the three standers as I think they are a fair way to define a legitimate government and the same three my government upholds.

To start second one, Emperor Nicholas has a strong claim to the territory, as his direct ancestors ruled the lands once, before being overthrown. Nicholas II also formed a government, with a First Minister Viktor Aristov and other ministries such as the Ministry of Defence, Ministry of Infrastructure, Ministry of Foreign Affairs etc. The Ministry of Domestic Affairs is currently investigating the possibility of temporarily appointing congressmen.

The only problem we have according to your standards, is that he lacks the possession of territory, but there are various reports of monarchist fractions trying to claim towns in his name. There are even reports of our intelligence agencies of monarchist fractions in the high positions of New Aapelistan trying to get more influence in the name of the Džehar Nicholas.”

"Not having territory is... a bit of an issue, honourable delegate. Of course, we would be willing to recognize the Imperial government as a government-in-exile, but we will go the route of other nations in this hall and stand by to see who the Aprosian people choose as their leaders if, as you say, there is monarchist support within New Aapelistan. However, your accomplishment in regards to your other two goals is admirable to say the least. I shall wait to say any more, dear delegates, pending approval from the higher-ups."

Spencer whipped out a tablet, opened an encrypted message service, and tapped out a message.

[Balnik]

The doors would faintly open and a short, fair skinned woman with short blonde hair and a worried look would quickly scurry inside and around all the arguing ambassadors to look for a laid out seat. The woman, dressed in a standard business suit would carry a single stack of papers and a Balniki seal pin on the left side of her chest.

The woman would soon spot the empty seat that once belonged to the previous Balniki ambassador and would blow off the nameplate to remove all the collected dust. The previous ambassador was removed from his post due to lung cancer complications and Balnik neglected to send another ambassador since until his death which occurred three days before the arrival of the woman. Amidst all the chaos the small woman would soon pin a large bar on the other side of her chest, A nametag reading "SOPHIA FAZLIĆ: BALNIK AMBASSADOR." Once that has been concluding she soon turns her eyes towards the squabble that would be the room of ambassadors.

[Queste]

Major Yulia, by this point, had been staring agape at the squabbling of the League delegates, wide eyed and unsure of what to do. A soft-spoken woman by nature, she had not expected the League to be so hostile and passive-aggressive. Was this why nothing was ever done in a democracy? Perhaps it was for the best that it had been dismantled in her country. She turned as the doors to the room opened, and she sat a bit taller in her seat as the short woman entered, likely another delegate.

"Welcome," she said softly to the Balniki delegate, unsure what else to add to this current state of affairs.

[Balnik]

Major Yulia, by this point, had been staring agape at the squabbling of the League delegates, wide eyed and unsure of what to do. A soft-spoken woman by nature, she had not expected the League to be so hostile and passive-aggressive. Was this why nothing was ever done in a democracy? Perhaps it was for the best that it had been dismantled in her country. She turned as the doors to the room opened, and she sat a bit taller in her seat as the short woman entered, likely another delegate.

"Welcome," she said softly to the Balniki delegate, unsure what else to add to this current state of affairs.

"Pozdravi." Sophia would day back in the same sort of hushed tone that the Major spoke to her in. She allowed a wry smile to cross her face as she looked towards the others in an amused fashion. "Perplexing is it not?" She speaks back to the woman, her accent slightly broken and very apparent. "I'm afraid I know as much as you, a conversation about the EUSR is occurring however I am very lost." She says, her eyebrows raising as she takes a dip of her glass of water, intrigued and surprised by the remarks of some of the delegates and the general atmosphere of the chamber.

[Verona Beach]

"Welcome, new and honourable delegates. I trust your first impressions of these hallowed halls have been... mixed."

[Queste]

"Pozdravi." Sophia would day back in the same sort of hushed tone that the Major spoke to her in. She allowed a wry smile to cross her face as she looked towards the others in an amused fashion. "Perplexing is it not?" She speaks back to the woman, her accent slightly broken and very apparent. "I'm afraid I know as much as you, a conversation about the EUSR is occurring however I am very lost." She says, her eyebrows raising as she takes a dip of her glass of water, intrigued and surprised by the remarks of some of the delegates and the general atmosphere of the chamber.

Sarah smiled at the woman, pleasantly surprised at the similar language. "Prijemno poznajomytysia." She replied, then nodded sheepishly. "I am lost as well, unfortunately. I was not expecting such a... eh... quick downturn." Her accent was similarly heavy, but easily understandable, and she clasped her hands together politely, turning to look back at the rest of the delegation nervously. Perhaps... the Empress should have chosen someone more outspoken to be here. Then again, things are not as peaceful and calm outside of the country...

[Balnik]

"Welcome, new and honourable delegates. I trust your first impressions of these hallowed halls have been... mixed."

"Hullo hullo. Yes it is very strange yes. I am Sophia Fazlić, and am very new to this. However before his death Ambassador Korvin taught and educated me very well. Nothing I am not prepared for. However it has been quite some time since Balniki presence here and I would be very happy to establish that here once again. The woman would say with a pleasant smile and an innocent aura. She would appear young but not naive and ill prepared. She has been taught above adequately by the previous delegate.

Looking back to the Major next to her with a bright smile she would speak back. "I am pleasantly surprised. You must be the representative from Queste then. No?" With a slight snicker she would look back towards the center of the room. "Even though it may seem chaotic it's what we are taught to do. Someone has to make sure that dialogue is kept and I suppose that would be us."