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Postby Volkegoth » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:19 pm

Delegate Glass can already tell that he and Severi will not be getting along.

"I agree. Debate has gone on long enough and I doubt any of us are changing our minds."
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:30 am

"Delegates, for the last time I would like to point out how we have worked to regain trust from all of you, or at least the base needed to enter the League as a member state, instead of the observer status we have had for this past year.

To update you one last time about the pocess: according to the request of Polar Svalbard to extradite all criminals involved, we have detained all men with the slightest responsibility and did everything we could to capture Ontariona Flammable and Krateon Unifo. They are now in New Aapelistan and together with Miklania we are working out the terms of their extradition.

Delegates, we want a fresh start. Our Prime-Minister Maximilian Montgomery will always act in best interest of the League to maintain your good trust, might you grant this, I can assure you of that."
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:42 am

Stephanie tapped on her tablet and one of the screens switched to a new proposal.

Proposal: Great-Imperialonia Full Membership
The Assembly of the League of the Western Isles


Appalled that the government of Great Imperialonia committed war crimes in the Sadievan war of 2015;

Noting that a 2015 League resolution punished the nation for its involvement by stripping it of its League membership and asking member nations to embargo the nation;

Further noting that war criminals from the war were not turned into the ICJ as requested;

Recognizing the nation has formed a new government that is seemingly more apologetic and more readily wishing to work with the League;

Reaffirming the League's commitment to the Peace and Security of the Isles;

Hereby:

1. Allows Great-Imperialonia to become a member-state once more,
2. Demands that Great-Imperialonia turns over all people it has arrested on charges of war crimes to the ICJ,
3. If Great-Imperialonia does not turn them all in by two months' time, it will be fully removed from the League on charges of deceiving the League,
4. Creates the Sadievan War Crimes Commission, whose main goal shall be to gain custody of the two Imperialonian war criminals who fled to New Aapelistan.

Introduced by Polar Svalbard on 9/2/17


Stephanie then stood up, "Delegates I believe that this resolution puts forth a good compromise. Great-Imperialonia can be back in the League, and the crimes committed in the Sadievan war shall not go unpunished. It is a shame that the families of those who died would have to wait this long, but until now the Imperialonian government has been uncooperative. I hope this is a step in the correct direction for them."
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:22 am

Fairglass nodded satisfied

"Delegates, though we cannot second nor vote, I will let you know that the Imperialonian government would fully support this resolution of Polar Svalbard, and that, in case, the resolutions receives a majority we will be fully cooperative to the demands."
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Postby Miklania » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:35 am

Dominic read through the resolution on his tablet. It seemed generally acceptable. But there were some sensitive points of business that needed to be addressed. "Stephanie, may I speak with you in private?"

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Postby Volkegoth » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:52 am

Delegate Glass looks carefully through Polar Svalbard's proposal and recalls a conversation he had a few minutes ago with the Governor-General. He was reminded that he was not in the Volkegothic political system anymore. This was international politics. Hendriks told Glass that he was alright with comments like the one he made earlier but he couldn't make such harsh comments in the Assembly. Glass considered his options.

"I second."
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Postby Ventlimer » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:40 pm

"I agree with the resolution. The commission should include representation from GI, however. Though they are the perpetrators of this event, they deserve to understand every part of the investigation."
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:31 pm

Edmond glanced ironically at Stephanie. He had watched the proceedings closely, and observed a sameness common between the current proposal, which was generally accepted, and his own proposal, which was abandoned and ignored. He said nothing, but bitterly pondered the strange mechanisms of the League, whereby he was cheated out of a successful proposal.
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The Trultin Isles
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Postby The Trultin Isles » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:22 am

"Ladies and gentleman, the Trultin Isles have some reservations about this proposal. Two months is an extremely short amount of time for appropriate legal proceedings to determine whether or not those arrested were actually complicit in the aforementioned warcrimes. My government would request that this period of time be extend to at least six months in order to ensure that due process of law is followed in this case. A year or eighteen months would be even better." Ambassador Barrande leans forward across the conference table.

"As it is, the Trultin Isles cannot support this resolution without additional reassurances regarding the legal process for the accused."

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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:58 am

Stephanie looked towards the delegate, "Delegate, this time is for them to send us all that they have charged and the ICJ will decide if they are guilty or not. If we let them charge and process them and then send them to us, I believe there would be bias, and we would not receive all that we should receive."
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:28 am

"We agree with Stephanie, justice should come as soon as possible and Great-Imperialonia is willing to give it to them as soon as possible, with cooperation of the League. I hope I can assume we will also get a voice in the committee, as the major party involved"
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Postby Corindia » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:29 am

"But justice should not be rushed, should it?"

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Postby Ventlimer » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:21 am

Polar Svalbard wrote:Stephanie looked towards the delegate, "Delegate, this time is for them to send us all that they have charged and the ICJ will decide if they are guilty or not. If we let them charge and process them and then send them to us, I believe there would be bias, and we would not receive all that we should receive."

As I said, representation, delegate. This does not imply power.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:08 am

Stephanie looked towards the Corindi delegate, "It is not rushed, the Imperialonians have already arrested them, thus we can process them in however long a time period as we see fit."
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:58 pm

Fairglass nodded

"Those with enough suspicion will be prosecuted and rendered to the League, where they can be put to trial before the special investigative committee. We believe this can surely be done within two months"
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:16 pm

"I second Polar Svalbard's proposal. However, I do not think, if justice is to be served, that Greater Imperialonia should have any participation in the trials in the International Vourt of Justice beyond providing evidence and participation in the apprehension of the war criminals, as similarly opined by the Ventlimiran and Polar Svalbardian delegates. I fear they would obstruct justice in their zeal to demonstrate their turn to innocence and repentance from their wicked deed."

Sir Aymer Giles seated himself.
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:43 pm

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:"I second Polar Svalbard's proposal. However, I do not think, if justice is to be served, that Greater Imperialonia should have any participation in the trials in the International Vourt of Justice beyond providing evidence and participation in the apprehension of the war criminals, as similarly opined by the Ventlimiran and Polar Svalbardian delegates. I fear they would obstruct justice in their zeal to demonstrate their turn to innocence and repentance from their wicked deed."

Sir Aymer Giles seated himself.


"Delegate, we would never obstruct justice for those who committed crimes, however the committee is about the Imperialonian-Sadievi war and many things, besides the horrible genocide committed by the criminals who ruled our country then, happened. It would be a shame if those things did not come to light for the bereaved. They need to know the casus beli and the situation in Great-Imperialonia which eventually led to the genocide, to fully understand how there is a seperation between the regime and our democracy."
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Postby Corindia » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:48 pm

Great-Imperialonia wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:"I second Polar Svalbard's proposal. However, I do not think, if justice is to be served, that Greater Imperialonia should have any participation in the trials in the International Vourt of Justice beyond providing evidence and participation in the apprehension of the war criminals, as similarly opined by the Ventlimiran and Polar Svalbardian delegates. I fear they would obstruct justice in their zeal to demonstrate their turn to innocence and repentance from their wicked deed."

Sir Aymer Giles seated himself.


"Delegate, we would never obstruct justice for those who committed crimes, however the committee is about the Imperialonian-Sadievi war and many things, besides the horrible genocide committed by the criminals who ruled our country then, happened. It would be a shame if those things did not come to light for the bereaved. They need to know the casus beli and the situation in Great-Imperialonia which eventually led to the genocide, to fully understand how there is a seperation between the regime and our democracy."

"You speak of proving the separation between the old regime and democracy, and I don't doubt your earnesty, but so many democracies born in the cradle of tyranny have proven to be either fronts or weak to eventual infiltration of the same authoritarian ideals that they initially renounced. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask you to wait for a small period of time."

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:38 pm

Great-Imperialonia wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:"I second Polar Svalbard's proposal. However, I do not think, if justice is to be served, that Greater Imperialonia should have any participation in the trials in the International Vourt of Justice beyond providing evidence and participation in the apprehension of the war criminals, as similarly opined by the Ventlimiran and Polar Svalbardian delegates. I fear they would obstruct justice in their zeal to demonstrate their turn to innocence and repentance from their wicked deed."

Sir Aymer Giles seated himself.


"Delegate, we would never obstruct justice for those who committed crimes, however the committee is about the Imperialonian-Sadievi war and many things, besides the horrible genocide committed by the criminals who ruled our country then, happened. It would be a shame if those things did not come to light for the bereaved. They need to know the casus beli and the situation in Great-Imperialonia which eventually led to the genocide, to fully understand how there is a seperation between the regime and our democracy."

"However, you must acknowledge that such charges could easily be leveled against you, to the detriment of the International Court."
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Postby Miklania » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:08 pm

Great-Imperialonia wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:"I second Polar Svalbard's proposal. However, I do not think, if justice is to be served, that Greater Imperialonia should have any participation in the trials in the International Vourt of Justice beyond providing evidence and participation in the apprehension of the war criminals, as similarly opined by the Ventlimiran and Polar Svalbardian delegates. I fear they would obstruct justice in their zeal to demonstrate their turn to innocence and repentance from their wicked deed."

Sir Aymer Giles seated himself.


"Delegate, we would never obstruct justice for those who committed crimes, however the committee is about the Imperialonian-Sadievi war and many things, besides the horrible genocide committed by the criminals who ruled our country then, happened. It would be a shame if those things did not come to light for the bereaved. They need to know the casus beli and the situation in Great-Imperialonia which eventually led to the genocide, to fully understand how there is a seperation between the regime and our democracy."

"Lady Fairglass, I would greatly appreciate it if you do not try to hide behind the "casus belli", which was as we all know, was a sham. The actions taken to "protect" expatriates were absolutely not justified by the actual events on the ground. The war was a thinly veiled attempt at imperial conquest, plain and simple. Your deception failed, and you got burned. It would be to the benefit of all involved if your government were to fully apologize for this and cease attempting to explain away a genocidal campaign that was always handled in a way that unnecessarily threatened the lives of the people of Sadievi."

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:37 am

"Which I will certainly deny"

Fairglass stood up

"Delegate, it is still an absolute disgrace how Miklania interfered in the war. Prime-Minister Boris Cotton of the Pure Sadievian Capitalist Party had rose to power, not even democratically since he had denied 67% of his population the right to vote. Mr. Cotton started a campaign of hate over the country which allowed pogroms against Imperialonian and Aapelistanian citizens.

That man was totally out of his mind and he refused to talk with Imperialonia for wars happened 400 years earlier. We invaded the islands out of desperation to protect our people with the help of New Aapelistan as no other nation was willing to help. No one knows what Miklania was doing there, basically showing of military power in vain. Boris Cotton was even ousted by his own party before we broke through to the capital Irina. His successor from the PSCP wanted to negotiate peace and capitulation. They withdrew their troops, but what happened? Miklania kept fighting, for what purpose? Purely for personal gain, so please don't lecture us about our casus beli, because you certainty had none of legitimacy. Don't say you were trying to enforce their sovereignty, as you would have done the same thing to protect your citizens, just keep it to the crimes against humanity, which were committed in the same war purely because we were led by a benevolent dictatorial Emperor. "

The Countess of Seacliff sat down, they were willing to go far, but bowing for Miklania was not on her 'to-do' list. Even as observer she demanded to be treated fairly, which her nation deserved.
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Postby Ainslie » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:01 am

"I must say it is suspicious that Miklania always just happens to be involved in conflicts, especially ones involving members getting banned from this League - a non-partisan mechanism for peace. I believe it's probably worth looking into this odd correlation, but I'm sure many of my fellow delegates do not share the same sentiments as I do."
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Postby Miklania » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:21 am

Ainslie wrote:"I must say it is suspicious that Miklania always just happens to be involved in conflicts, especially ones involving members getting banned from this League - a non-partisan mechanism for peace. I believe it's probably worth looking into this odd correlation, but I'm sure many of my fellow delegates do not share the same sentiments as I do."

"Literally one war resulted in that."
Great-Imperialonia wrote:"Which I will certainly deny"

Fairglass stood up

"Delegate, it is still an absolute disgrace how Miklania interfered in the war. Prime-Minister Boris Cotton of the Pure Sadievian Capitalist Party had rose to power, not even democratically since he had denied 67% of his population the right to vote. Mr. Cotton started a campaign of hate over the country which allowed pogroms against Imperialonian and Aapelistanian citizens.

That man was totally out of his mind and he refused to talk with Imperialonia for wars happened 400 years earlier. We invaded the islands out of desperation to protect our people with the help of New Aapelistan as no other nation was willing to help. No one knows what Miklania was doing there, basically showing of military power in vain. Boris Cotton was even ousted by his own party before we broke through to the capital Irina. His successor from the PSCP wanted to negotiate peace and capitulation. They withdrew their troops, but what happened? Miklania kept fighting, for what purpose? Purely for personal gain, so please don't lecture us about our casus beli, because you certainty had none of legitimacy. Don't say you were trying to enforce their sovereignty, as you would have done the same thing to protect your citizens, just keep it to the crimes against humanity, which were committed in the same war purely because we were led by a benevolent dictatorial Emperor. "

The Countess of Seacliff sat down, they were willing to go far, but bowing for Miklania was not on her 'to-do' list. Even as observer she demanded to be treated fairly, which her nation deserved.


"So the appropriate response to another sovereign nation deciding the rules for its internal politics is justification for invasion and destruction of that nation? The appropriate forum for voicing such concerns is the League. I trust that in the future your nation will make use of this forum instead of resorting to violence to express your displeasure with others.

I would also like to make sure that we're talking about the same war, because your version of history is vastly different from the one that I know. Imperialonian forces never reached the capital. We continued fighting because you continued to invade. Our objective, clearly stated and clearly legal under international law was to defend a sovereign nation from attack by an imperialist force that was hell bent on total domination. The war crimes were committed by those in power, the same people that decided to go to war in the first place. The Imperialonian aggression in Sadievi was an undeniable over reaction to the actual circumstances on the ground. From this we are forced to conclude that your nation is either completely full of morons who do not deserve to be part of any governing body, let alone this League, or that those in power had ulterior motives for invading, and used your "casus belli" as their excuse. We will not be satisfied until you condemn the entire invasion as what it was, an act of imperial aggression."

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On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:26 am

"I am concerned that the Imperialonian Government seems more concerned with re-consolidating its power base than taking any responsibilities for the nation's previous actions. Once again, I recommend them to look at past case studies so that they can see the beaten path to lasting peace."

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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:02 pm

Stephanie cleared her throat, "I'm in agreement with Dominic here. As such I am amending in another operative clause to this proposal."

Proposal: Great-Imperialonia Full Membership
The Assembly of the League of the Western Isles


Appalled that the government of Great Imperialonia committed war crimes in the Sadievan war of 2015;

Noting that a 2015 League resolution punished the nation for its involvement by stripping it of its League membership and asking member nations to embargo the nation;

Further noting that war criminals from the war were not turned into the ICJ as requested;

Recognizing the nation has formed a new government that is seemingly more apologetic and more readily wishing to work with the League;

Reaffirming the League's commitment to the Peace and Security of the Isles;

Hereby:

1. Allows Great-Imperialonia to become a member-state once more;
2. Demands that Great-Imperialonia turns over all people it has arrested on charges of war crimes to the ICJ;
3. If Great-Imperialonia does not turn them all in by two months' time, it will be fully removed from the League on charges of deceiving the League;
4. Creates the Sadievan War Crimes Commission, whose main goal shall be to gain custody of the two Imperialonian war criminals who fled to New Aapelistan;
5. Demands that the government of Great-Imperialonia condemns its part in the Sadievan War of 2015 as an act of Imperialistic Aggression.

Introduced by Polar Svalbard on 9/2/17


"If your nation is so apologetic I believe you will have no problem with this, Lady Fairglass."
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