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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:53 pm

"Understandably these peacekeepers will be keeping your's and Domanania's accessibility low. Whether or not it is your land or the people of Romsay's is to be determined and if we find Vienne troops in Romsay interfering with the referendum, there will be consequences."
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Pacific Peace Union
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Postby Pacific Peace Union » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:55 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:"Understandably these peacekeepers will be keeping your's and Domanania's accessibility low. Whether or not it is your land or the people of Romsay's is to be determined and if we find Vienne troops in Romsay interfering with the referendum, there will be consequences."


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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:56 pm

"With all this settled, I believe we should move into voting procedures. I believe it is two seconds to start."
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Jahe Davmwoem
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Postby Jahe Davmwoem » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:08 pm

"I second this motion to put it to vote"

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Corindia
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Postby Corindia » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:09 pm

" I also second the motion"

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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:14 pm

"Polar Svalbard votes aye."
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Corindia
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Postby Corindia » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:15 pm

"The Democratic States of Corindia vote aye"

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Domanania
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Postby Domanania » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:10 pm

"Even if our vote means little, we say Aye"
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Vancouvia
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Postby Vancouvia » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:41 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:
Pacific Peace Union wrote:

"Oh no, I think everyone would be vehement against that. Polar Svalbard is an ally to neither of you, Vancouvia is allied to you and biased to you, and they have already had experience taking over a nation through... 'Peacekeeping' means. I would not trust them anywhere near Romsay after the International District."


"Do you mean the relatively short-lived peacekeeping operation that resulted in a completely turnaround of one of the region's most caustic and dangerous states? The incredibly successful operation that, need I remind you, allows us to sit in this bustling metropolis today under near perfect safety and comfort? How bizarre, how curt, for you to suggest that the I.D. operation was anything but a rousing success!? You argue against Vancouvian support in Vioraux while we have made no argument for it; you place your own nation on a pedestal instead of offering at the least a wide joint operation. This organization is nothing more than a Svalbard military shell corporation if this is the road you all intend to go down."

"Vancouvia votes no to this rabble and we remind the League that with any invasion of our allies, Vancouvia is obligated to act in response."
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Ostehaar
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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:24 am

Tomas gathered his papers and glanced around, quietly surveying the sitting bunch of diplomats discussing the fate of innocent people in a far away land. Stephanie's remark to Augustia about Vancouvia being "on the wrong side of history" was a key factor in his considerations, but he took his time and listened to the entire conversation before laying down his arguments.

"Fellow League members," he announced, "this is getting out of hand. Perhaps the recent successful intervention in Taziristan is clouding your judgment, making you think that the best solution must be to send in armed forces."

"Can anyone here tell me what exactly is going on there?" He looked around at the delegates. "Can anyone here assure me that these are really rebels fighting for freedom, and not a Doman proxy meant only to escalate the already tense situation on that island? Doesn't the quick and armed Doman reaction to the events disturb you even a bit? Let me remind you that not long ago, this League discussed the fate of that piece of land, so where were these oppressed rebels back then, which now claim they have the right to self-determination? On what grounds?"

"Now, I'm not saying this is all a scam. I believe all members here know that I am not a fan of Vioraux, to say the least. I'm merely raising important questions that should be considered before rushing in with guns loaded."

Tomas turned to Stephanie. "Self-determination, as you mentioned, is indeed a right held dear to us. But your firm stance in this case surprises me. Do you know something that other delegates here don't? What if tomorrow, New Aapelistan finances and arms an insurgency in your nation that claims to represent oppressed rebels? What if the next day, Euranian agents set up a rebel organization in Miklania that demands 'self-determination'? I think your hostility to Vioraux prevents you from thinking about all possible aspects of this issue. You said it yourself moments ago - 'we have no evidence' - How can you be so decisive without a shred of reliable information?"

"Regarding a referendum," he continued, "it's a joke. There are Doman forces around the place. It doesn't matter if they promise to withdraw - the people there know Domanania can simply cross the border again whenever they want. The same is true for Vioraux bombardments. The people there are under opposing threats constantly, so I don't think any results of a referendum there can be reliable."

"As Barbury stated, what we need here is a non-biased, independent, and unarmed fact-finding mission, to uncover the reasons and factors behind this whole incident. They would have to interview representatives on both sides, and have complete access to all relevant places and documentation. Additionally, I believe the Doman forces must withdraw as soon as possible."

"As for the resolution itself," Tomas said casually, glancing at the large text displayed behind his back, "I oppose the referendum and the peacekeepers, which are the core of the resolution. Therefore, Ostehaar votes against it."
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Jahe Davmwoem
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Postby Jahe Davmwoem » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:31 am

Peter glanced over at Tomas, then back to the text. "The Highrock confederation had many issues with the proposal, and Tomas raises several good points. Even if they both move, which Viouraux seems unwilling to do, the people would be afraid still because that could change at any moment.

We only were going to say aye because we thought it was the best possible. Tomas just clarified that we can put out better. So the Highrock Confederation no places their vote, a resounding no"
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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:36 am

"We seem to revel in hypotheticals while the issues stand before us. Do we have the time to conduct a fact finding mission. It rather seems to be that both nations, Domanania and Vioraux seem poised to go to war over Romsay, and in the end it is those who live in Romsay that will suffer most. Whatever this body decides, Polar Svalbard will abide by it, whether it decides that Svalbardians should go out to help protect them, or that the Svalbardians should wait while facts are gathered. I prefer the peacekeepers and Referendum as I find that will be the swiftest way to prevent armed conflict from breaking out. At the moment Polar Svalbard is preparing a few humanitarian aid vessels to be sent to Romsay to be distributed to the people in light of the Vienne Blockade, what response they meet should be tell-tale enough, for us Svalbardians at least."

Stephanie turned to Augustia, "I had believed once, especially during my tenure as an ambassador of Polar Svalbard, that Polar Svalbard and Vancouvia were allies. That we held common beliefs, yet here we are, on two side of a fence. Our beliefs are that the state of Vioraux is abusing its citizens, your belief is that a piece of paper is more important than you other friends. I do not know our future in the Coalition of Free Nations, but I hope the Consul Adstutia will reconsider all things considered."

Stephanie rubbed the bridge of her nose, "My fellow delegates, once again we stand at the gates of history prepared to leap. This time, once again we hear the baying of the masses. Once again we find that the toxic culture of Vioraux has put us into another difficult situation as an international body. Svalbardians are willing to risk their lives, to help support downtrodden in a place figure out where they wish to go. We would hope that others would come with us, but if we must go alone we would. If the people of Romsay want to go back to Vioraux it would be our pleasure to ensure a safe turn around, with little threat from Domanania, if the other way around we would do it the other way. And if the people of Romsay truly wish to be free, we would happily protect their independence. At these times I like to go back to a quote by a wise man that my father read to me as a child often, 'We cannot help everyone, but everyone can help someone.' Thus I ask my fellow delegates to support us in our endeavors, and hopefully that you will send peacekeepers of your own so that the people of Romsay understand that the international community truly wishes to help them get where they wish to go. Whether that be Vienne, Domananian, or Romsan."
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Ostehaar
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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:28 pm

"Delegate, I do not disagree about the need to do something," Tomas said, his face turned to Stephanie, "but notice that you haven't even responded to the issues I raised. True, we do need to prevent further suffering of the civilians that are under threat - but I don't see why you consider Vioraux specifically a greater threat than Domanania."

"Look at the facts we currently do have, delegate. There are Doman forces among civilians. There is the threat of bombardments and blockade by Vioraux. How can you trust any referendum to represent the true will of the people there, given this situation? You haven't explained that."

"Secondly, you keep ignoring the discrepancies between the current situation and the situation a few months ago. Why were no rebels or oppressed civilians even mentioned back then? You also ignore the concept of this being a Doman operation to make the League respond this way. These are not hypothetical considerations, but real concerns which you wave off."

"I fully understand your will to act quickly," Tomas concluded, "but acting quickly while ignoring the real problems and adding more fuel to the fire, will only result in more suffering to the civilian population."
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Jahe Davmwoem
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Postby Jahe Davmwoem » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:54 pm

"Stephanie, is intelligence not the first requirement of every military action? You want to send Svalbardians into new ground without a single shred of knowledge, be my guest. But leave the league out of it. Do not turn the league into an extension of your ambitions. You always talk about history. How many operations, even in recent history, have failed because of a lack of information? Yes, any fool can make history. But it takes a great nation to make wise actions based on what history has taught them.

Yes, everyone can help someone, but will adding more corpses to Romsey be helpful? That is all you would accomplish."

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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:15 pm

"Well, we will see who is right in the end. The body-count will be a good measure. If we go our way and the body count is high, condemn us, if it is low commend us. And the same towards your initiative. I do not see a counter-resolution from the opposing side, and if you are looking at doing what you intend then I would suggest working on it as time, as always, is against us."

Turning to the Ostehaaran delegate, "You raise good points, although I would ask what we would find in this League investigation that would help us further our knowledge. What would the investigation team be doing? How would it be getting its information? And in the end is it better to leave the Domananians in Romsay, or to have them and the Viennes stay out?"

Stephanie then turned back to the delegate from the Highrock Confederation, "Also, we would be sending them unarmed with no peacekeepers. How can we be assured they will be safe? The fact that Vienne and Domananian troops, and Romsan agitators, would be in the area would certainly lead to violence and I am not sure a League symbol will protect them. If they go without protection Polar Svalbard would not send anyone to such an endeavor as that is much too risky."
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Ostehaar
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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:51 pm

"Oh, I didn't mean unarmed in this sense. Of course I think any fact-finding mission should be escorted by ground operatives to ensure the team's safety. I meant unarmed in the sense that it wouldn't be an entire military force present there, raising tensions."

"What would they be doing?" Tomas repeated the question before answering, "they would investigate the origins of this rebel movement, in an attempt to understand whether it's based on genuine aspirations of the locals, or is only a facade for outside intervention. The team should have access to intelligence gathered by League members, to local politicians or activists who might have better grasp of the situation on the ground, and to all other possible sources of information. If it turns out that indeed this is a rebel movement representing the local population in its will to disengage from Vioraux - then Ostehaar would be the first to support them and recognize their rights. If, however, this is not the case - then this territory belongs to Vioraux."

"As for the two belligerents, I think all armed forces should leave the disputed territory. This would allow for more extensive humanitarian support, and would surely be safer for any international teams on the ground."
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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:31 pm

"You make sense, I would agree to this plan if it were put into a resolution."
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Vancouvia
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Postby Vancouvia » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:"You make sense, I would agree to this plan if it were put into a resolution."


"Then by all means, remove your own."

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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:24 pm

"Put one forward. I cannot be the only one who writes resolutions for the League." Stephanie looked at her finely groomed nails, painted a nice light blue to go along with what she wore.
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Atnaia
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Postby Atnaia » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:19 pm

Polar Svalbard wrote:"Put one forward. I cannot be the only one who writes resolutions for the League." Stephanie looked at her finely groomed nails, painted a nice light blue to go along with what she wore.

"I believe the Vancouvian delegate is suggesting that we feel uncomfortable putting forward a new resolution when another resolution on the same issue is still at vote," Barbury said. "Your previous resolution should be formally withdrawn first."
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Covonant
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Postby Covonant » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:35 pm

Covonantian delegate Ashur Baptiste had been silent throughout the entire debate concerning Vioraux and Romsay. He knew Covonant would support any means of bringing peace and stability to the Isles, he was however skeptical that peacekeeping forces would work in this case.

"Honourable delegates, I have listened attentively to the comments and remarks made, and presently I would abstain from voting on the resolution proposed by the Polar Svalbardian representative. It is not for the fact that Covonant does not want there to be peace and stability throughout the Isles, but I am not sure if the moving of troops and sending peacekeeping forces may solve the situation. For instance what is the timeline for having peacekeeping forces, for we have to take into account that Romsay does not have a military or a security force capable of providing defense. And in the event that our peacekeeping force are removed, how can we be certain that the Viennes would not intervene. We must be pragmatic, the Viennes have proven time and time again that they are very unpredictable. Just expressing an opinion, but before we delegate on troops movement how about we see if diplomacy could work in this instant, some states recognise Romsay as an independent entity among them being Covonant and others don't, I see this could lead to more international tensions with the divide that our position on the matter could bring. I am hoping a resolve can be made but for the moment, I will abstain from voting on the grounds of my lack of confidence that peacekeeping and movement of troops will be a viable option." The Covonantian delegate expressed.
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Polar Svalbard
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:09 am

"Polar Svalbard, in the hopes that another will put forth legislation, will retract our resolution."
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The Grand Force
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Postby The Grand Force » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:26 am

''I would be forced to agree with the Covonant delegate for once let the armies take a break and let us decide this peacefully and with some sort of decency. An even though my nation does not formally recognize Romsay we would be open to negotiation with them to help fix this issue.'' Zachary said looking at the Covonant ambassador.
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Karahar
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Postby Karahar » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:42 pm

The Nomadic Peoples of Karahar wish to join the League of the Western Isles.
It is our hope that through joining this esteemed international organisation we may contribute to a lasting peace in the Western Isles.
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Corindia
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Postby Corindia » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:44 pm

"Corindia voucher for Karahar"

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