OOC Thread for Inyurstan Whistleblower Crisis [Closed]

[Brytene]

If you need me to draw a nice picture for you and put it into simpler words then I can

Actually that would be really helpful...

Well that's what happens when you bring 13 guns to a 1v1 gunfight... You tend to have the advantage...

But I also have seen pictures of what a .45 hollow-point does to a bobcat, and it's not pretty...

Well like I said, I've shared drinks with a guy who survived an SVD round so...

Well like I said before, having someone like Nuelle get captured was my one unacceptable outcome. So I don't really mind what happens to Aoife, per-se.

Awesome. Well I can tell you, she's not gonna be up and playing baseball any time soon, best case scenario

Thus, you have been given honour of choosing which way Aoife will die. I am not telling you what to write in any way

Yeah you are, you're telling me no-one has ever survived a .45 ACP shot to the lungs. That's straight-up ridiculous, frankly. The majority of people who make it to a hospital with gunshot wounds survive, so what you're trying to do is tell me Aoife has to die. Certainly, if medical facilities weren't available

JUST THE SUBMARINE.[/align]

Credit to DragoArt for original drawing .

Ah yeah, go ahead

[Riysa]

Um

We have 8 litres of blood

I'm not sure where you got that figure from, but a quick search on Google will tell you that an average adult male, weighing 160 pounds, will have around 4.7-5 liters of blood. Aoife, being a female who supposedly weighs less than that, would correspondingly have less blood. The only way I can see her having nearly double the normal human amount is if she's a World Eater Chaos Space Marine or an anime character.

I did some rough math and calculated that for an average male as mentioned above, it'd take 20 seconds or less to bleed out, based on exsangunation occurring at 50% blood loss and assuming a flow rate of 8.1 L/min (the actual figure for the lungs is 8.1L m2/min, so the flow rate is almost certainly higher, but I don't have an exact number).

Well like I said, I've shared drinks with a guy who survived an SVD round so...

Yeah you are, you're telling me no-one has ever survived a .45 ACP shot to the lungs. That's straight-up ridiculous, frankly. The majority of people who make it to a hospital with gunshot wounds survive, so what you're trying to do is tell me Aoife has to die. Certainly, if medical facilities weren't available

Most gunshot wounds are to the hands and legs, and those are less likely to be fatal than to the chest.

As for surviving a hit to the chest? Yes, its possible - the bullet can miss the major organs and penetrate out the rear. Its even possible to survive a hit to the lung if it passes through, like with standard FMJ ammunition. Aoife took it square in the lung, and a hollow point (designed to inflict maximum damage) to boot. Hollow-point ammunition is designed to cavitate the local area, trading penetration for raw damage inside the target. Think of it as getting shredded from the inside, as the bullet expands and disrupts local tissue.

[Brytene]

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oop, left that in as part of the formatting error, which is why the sentence was only half formed and in the middle of cusc's quote. It's now edited. Initially thought it was 8 because that was the number said to me when I last gave blood, but that's gallons.

Riysa, sorry, but I don't care about your "calculations" and I'm not replying to you. This is none of your business and your attempts to dogpile me are boring as hell.

Iny already consulted the realism thread, and most of them said that yes, gunshot wounds of this nature are bad, but that with appropriate medical attention it's impossible to rule out a recovery. Unless you are trying to say that no-one has ever survived being shot in the lung. Iny also said he's not too bothered, so you really are just wasting your own time

EDIT - btw, the guy I met who was hit with an SVD was hit clean through the torso, not his "hands" or w/e. it damaged his heart and lung, he was in a coma for three months, but he was alive and well and drinking away with the rest of us, totally normal except for a bit of a racist attitude to Eastern Europeans, which I don't agree with but was understandable given the fuckin circumstances

[Riysa]

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Riysa, sorry, but I don't care about your "calculations" and I'm not replying to you. This is none of your business and your attempts to dogpile me are boring as hell.

You already did. I bring science and math, so if you hate that, well, I'm sorry. And it is my business, considering this is related to SACTO.

Iny already consulted the realism thread, and most of them said that yes, gunshot wounds of this nature are bad, but that with appropriate medical attention it's impossible to rule out a recovery. Unless you are trying to say that no-one has ever survived being shot in the lung. Iny also said he's not too bothered, so you really are just wasting your own time

Most being one person, with another simply saying that her prospects "weren't looking too good", and no disrespect to them, but I don't believe they're medical professionals.

Why did you even bother posting if you aren't going to read my post? I thought you didn't like to waste your time.

EDIT - btw, the guy I met who was hit with an SVD was hit clean through the torso, not his "hands" or w/e. it damaged his heart and lung, he was in a coma for three months, but he was alive and well and drinking away with the rest of us, totally normal except for a bit of a racist attitude to Eastern Europeans, which I don't agree with but was understandable given the fuckin circumstances

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Listen to yourself now.

[New Aeyariss]

Riysa, sorry, but I don't care about your "calculations" and I'm not replying to you. This is none of your business and your attempts to dogpile me are boring as hell.

You are replying to Riysa. I invited him here and I asked him to post to specify claim that is within his IRL area of expertise. I am pretty sure I have all reasons to believe that guy who works in laboratory is more proficient in this than you.

Iny already consulted the realism thread, and most of them said that yes, gunshot wounds of this nature are bad, but that with appropriate medical attention it's impossible to rule out a recovery. Unless you are trying to say that no-one has ever survived being shot in the lung. Iny also said he's not too bothered, so you really are just wasting your own time

First, NS military realism thread are no gods. Many of us who have knowledge are not there, for our own reasons. If you want, I can bring in here guy who is RL Lieutenant (Fenwyck) whom I already consulted on SACTO chat to make sure of my claims and he verified them. I do not know who is this guy, but each situation is different. I stated well verified claim that Aoife is dead now.

Each situation is different and it is not like no one ever survived. I am saying that in this particular case this wound is untreatable.

EDIT - btw, the guy I met who was hit with an SVD was hit clean through the torso, not his "hands" or w/e. it damaged his heart and lung, he was in a coma for three months, but he was alive and well and drinking away with the rest of us, totally normal except for a bit of a racist attitude to Eastern Europeans, which I don't agree with but was understandable given the fuckin circumstances

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[Brytene]

You are replying to Riysa. I invited him here and I asked him to post to specify claim that is within his IRL area of expertise. I am pretty sure I have all reasons to believe that guy who works in laboratory is more proficient in this than you.

Nope and nope we ruled out 'external sources' a long time ago, plus appeals to supposed authority. I remember quite clearly getting shouted down for it, so both of these points are invalid.

First, NS military realism thread are no gods. Many of us who have knowledge are not there, for our own reasons. If you want, I can bring in here guy who is RL Lieutenant (Fenwyck) whom I already consulted on SACTO chat to make sure of my claims and he verified them. I do not know who is this guy, but each situation is different. I stated well verified claim that Aoife is dead now.

Each situation is different and it is not like no one ever survived. I am saying that in this particular case this wound is untreatable.

Particular case? You mean the fictional circumstance in which you only have vague details. Okay, describe to me the exact wound. Give the exact location. Tell me the exact details. Tell me what medical staff and facilities you are assuming Brytene is working with. Walk me through the doctors attempt to save her, precisely accurately, and explain to me where it goes wrong.

If you want to somehow 'force' me to RP your way because you claim you have 'realism' on your side, then that's what you gotta do. This isn't a game of 'trip the other player up'

.....

So....yeah he got hit with an SVD in the heart/lungs, pretty sure that's worse than an ACP to one lung. So if you're gonna quoting your 'RL soldiers' I'm gonna start quoting mine


seriously, if you think we're playing to win, you're in for a rough ride. I tried to settle this peacefully, and the choice was made not to, but you really are misplacing your bets if you think that trying to dictate RP to me is worth your time

[Inyourfaceistan]

I am done with this shit...

I will be back and I will explain why Brytene's comparison between the .45 ACP hollow-point to the napalm is a logical fallacy, and repeat myself for like the 4th time about the flamethrower in the embassy.

Cusc, Ris, if you wanted Aoife dead, you had your chance to ensure it. This whole flipping time you could have posted, and at this point you wouldnt have even needed a weapon to throw a wrench in her chances of survival.
But instead you let me continue to face down the odds alone even though it became almost instantly clear that this fight was rigged both IC and OOC before it even began, and it still managed to end in the best result for Nuelle given just how fucking rigged it was.
So I'm fucking through with this shit...

I'm letting the three of you sort this mess out yourselves. I won't be checking back in until much later...

seriously, if you think we're playing to win, you're in for a rough ride. I tried to settle this peacefully, and the choice was made not to, but you really are misplacing your bets if you think that trying to dictate RP to me is worth your time

Your right.
We should cheat, lie and rig shit in our advantage instead of arguing over the constraints of realism, and then call the other side "uncooperative" when they don't trust us and wonder why their IC behavior reflects the fact that we have non-stop fucked them over before.

[Brytene]

I will be back and I will explain why Brytene's comparison between the .45 ACP hollow-point to the napalm is a logical fallacy, and repeat myself for like the 4th time about the flamethrower in the embassy.

K well for the record, there was a moment where you were attempting to have Nuelle survive being napalmed, before you struck upon the idea of questioning the validity of the flamer's physics or giving Nuelle a backpack.

But anyway, the point of me offering the compromise (which you didn't take but w/e) was to untangle me and you from RPing with each other, which has now been done. There's nothinf forcing you to be involved anymore, you can just hand control of the hostage situation to Cusc and wash your hands of this, which might be a good thing since it's clearly upsetting you

Ciao!

[Inyourfaceistan]

I will be back and I will explain why Brytene's comparison between the .45 ACP hollow-point to the napalm is a logical fallacy, and repeat myself for like the 4th time about the flamethrower in the embassy.

K well for the record, there was a moment where you were attempting to have Nuelle survive being napalmed, before you struck upon the idea of questioning the validity of the flamer's physics or giving Nuelle a backpack.

Yeah, because it was just easier to try and compromise and have my character take some heat (literally, lol) and get wounded than launch into an argument over it.
However, once I realized that was impossible, then I argued the stupid dual-wield flamethrower pistol thingy.
As I pointed out, he had a backpack the whole time...

But without desktop access to MS paint and some solid time until later this or something the best I can do to describe the situation is this:
Player1: *Jet fighter/attacker launches 'guided bomb' against a tank*
Player2: *Tank destroyed*
Player1: *Character pulls a small, lightweight drone with a grenade attached to it and throws it at a tank*
Player2: *Some optics on the tank damaged*
Player1: "OMG that's bullshit if you accepted it when the bomb dropped it you need to accept it now!"
Player2: "You didn't tell me you 'guided bomb' was actually that abomination"

But anyway, the point of me offering the compromise (which you didn't take but w/e)

Because no rational person in my shoes would trust you after the shit you pulled.

which might be a good thing since it's clearly upsetting you

That is not what is upsetting me.
The OOC tension behind this shit is what is pissing me off.

[Brytene]

Player1: *Jet fighter/attacker launches 'guided bomb' against a tank*
Player2: *Tank destroyed*
Player1: *Character pulls a small, lightweight drone with a grenade attached to it and throws it at a tank*
Player2: *Some optics on the tank damaged*
Player1: "OMG that's bullshit if you accepted it when the bomb dropped it you need to accept it now!"
Player2: "You didn't tell me you 'guided bomb' was actually that abomination"

Player1: -fires underslung flamethrower clearly pictured on iiwiki, which was linked in the previous post- is that okay?
Player2: okay I guess that's fine -soldiers are burned-
Player1: -fires underslung flamethrower a second time-
Player2: oh man i assumed that was some kind of backpack mounted heavy flamethrower that's total bull
Player1: wtf, okay well i guess we can retcon it all if you'd like
Player2: oh you'd just love that wouldn't you > : (

and no actually you had to go back to edit the posts to remove the burns you initially accepted your guy as having so no, he wasn't wearing a backpack the whole time

Because no rational person in my shoes would trust you after the shit you pulled.

You make it sound like I invaded Poland or something, seriously...

That is not what is upsetting me.
The OOC tension behind this shit is what is pissing me off.

OK, well I am going to be the first to admit I haven't been a massive angel throughout this thread, but it's pretty clear it's by no means one-sided, and to be fair the worst thing I have done OOC is lie by omission - I never actually said I would play by the dice roll, just confirmed that that's what Cusc and I did. Yeah it's not the best thing I've ever done but it's hardly 'non-stop fucking you over'. Plus you won on most of the major points - my marines both got killed, my staff got captured, you forced me to reveal what poison I'd used pretty much instantly, you made me completely get rid of the Tiger Underbarrel and got the entire duel reset...plus Aoife is now currently undergoing critical surgery, her fate undecided (though the more Cusc demands one thing, the more I lean towards the other)

But just to confirm, yes I haven't been the easiest to RP with, but I think the following should give you an idea of what I've been dealing with - it's a two way street

...the longer this shit drags on...

...I was pretty damn clear...

...I'm just ticked you snuck one over on Cusc...

Believe it or not even savage, capitalist Latino trash like us get the fuck away when shots start being fired...

I still dictate how much fucking money he had in his accounts...

Well ISD isn't involved with CADI so it looks like you got me so fucking good I have to create a link which wasn't there in the first place.

You better be more specific than that if you expect me to let you post here.

Sure went out of your way just to bag a few 0's from some guy you murdered...

I am OP. My thread my rules


...Otherwise, get over it...

Brytene, perhaps you shouldn't try RPing?

Wait...an undetectable pathogen that attacks only the target? Do I smell... wank?

I'm going to sit here calling godmod and wank unless you give me the name of your pathogen.

...unless you're afraid that you'll get caught in the act of godmodding?

(spoiler alert, I wasn't, it was just ricin)

Has somebody invited you here?

If not, please leave. Came to cause yet another argument I see ?

Or maybe you came to troll like your friends from Atlas do? You do that all the time, I am not surprised.

Sorry if I took you wrong, Val...

Well then go start your little Bryt-SACTO conflict, I won't be coming

talk more trash on your little RMB,

you and your region people decide "fuk teh sacto fgts" or however you talk over there

Sorry that I don't take the time to stalk your little wikipage...

...Right. Because I'm the one who broke the OOC agreement for a dice roll and decided to draw early...
Yeah, I was obviously the one to lie and I had to try (and fail) to rig the fight because I didn't want my character to die...
Yup. That's exactly what went down here.
/sarc...

...YOU are the one that tried to be sneaky, and you are the one that drew early, NOT ME.
If you didn't want it to turn into a giant OOC debate then you are the one that shouldn't have cheated...

...nowhere near as unfair as telling someone the duel will be settled by a dice roll, and then deciding to fuck them over and cheat anyways...

Though it is also good to know Aoife is an invincible CoD character

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Bullshit. Nothing is fair after the shit you pulled...
There is a reason no one who bore witness to what happened here OOC'ly will ever trust you again...

...I don't think you know how this works...

...honestly IDGAF if this whole shitfest gets retconned, considering it was pretty much your idea to start it so...

*Somebody* refuses to even acknowledge the possibility of their character dying, and is willing to sink to very low OOC levels...

What is this conviction you have that makes you think you can just cheat to get your way? Your asking me to trust you yet you have proven yourself dishonest...

...Oh bullshit...

...after this mess I am convinced you wouldn't have accepted the result against Nihon had that roll turned out differently...

...I honestly don't give a flying fuck...

...you will stomp your feet if I have Nuelle decide to pull that trigger...

...you are too obsessed with winning and refuse to acknowledge the possibility of your little character dying...

If you can't accept losses, then I'm going to be serious and suggest that you withdraw from RPing in general, until you can learn to suck up your pride.

The problem is here that you want to enforce your version on all of us

followed almost immediately by

Aoife either is dead or on life support for rest of her life.

and

...you have been given honour of choosing which way Aoife will die. I am not telling you what to write in any way...

You were never playing nice from the start so don't give me shit...

If that doesn't work then we know the bitch is invincible...

...clearly Aoife isn't going to die no matter what hits her...

...the whole thing was just one very dishonest OOC trap...

If you need me to draw a nice picture for you and put it into simpler words then I can...

...non-stop fucked them [me] over...

TL;DR - maybe we can accept that the tensions have gotten too high on both sides, and we can all try to calm down a little...

[New Aeyariss]

Nope and nope we ruled out 'external sources' a long time ago, plus appeals to supposed authority. I remember quite clearly getting shouted down for it, so both of these points are invalid.

We did not ruled out anything. So maybe I will begin with your "authority". I mean, considering most of circumstances, shot that pierced heart and lung would kill said person.

Considering that every time we have a dispute, you bring up supposed authority you have nearby; I can safely assume that you are lying, considering that you already proven that you are more than capable of lying and / or cheating, therefore I would not be surprised. So, therefore, give me exact details of this situation to prove me that you are not lying; otherwise with no offence I am calling your "example" a b****t, with no offence to you.

Particular case? You mean the fictional circumstance in which you only have vague details. Okay, describe to me the exact wound. Give the exact location. Tell me the exact details. Tell me what medical staff and facilities you are assuming Brytene is working with. Walk me through the doctors attempt to save her, precisely accurately, and explain to me where it goes wrong.

If you want to somehow 'force' me to RP your way because you claim you have 'realism' on your side, then that's what you gotta do. This isn't a game of 'trip the other player up'

This are not vague details, since I did assumptions based on RL weaponry and it's statistics. I stated you above why, and I do not feel reason why should I repeat myself. Because if you read it, you would realize that Aoife would be dead before any serious medical aid reaches her.

It is not like you have any knowledge in those areas - with no offence to you, but I seen your weaponry and debunked it totally myself. I am not going to force you to anything except for you to hold rules we all play by; and realism is only in here because it ensures fair play between RPers, play in which neither of us can not state that my super atmospheric space transport will now drop entire Nihonese corps on that island.

And I heard that you said "If Aoife was to die, this would be okay with me." Enjoy your cooperativeness.

So....yeah he got hit with an SVD in the heart/lungs, pretty sure that's worse than an ACP to one lung. So if you're gonna quoting your 'RL soldiers' I'm gonna start quoting mine


seriously, if you think we're playing to win, you're in for a rough ride. I tried to settle this peacefully, and the choice was made not to, but you really are misplacing your bets if you think that trying to dictate RP to me is worth your time

And again, what proof do we have you did not just made that person up so you can justify your claim?

Both of us are playing for win. What I am trying to dictate you in here is to play fairly, and if you have any dispute, settle it up based on experience and knowledge rather than attacking persons who try to explain you the details. Thank you.

[Brytene]

Considering that every time we have a dispute, you bring up supposed authority you have nearby; I can safely assume that you are lying, considering that you already proven that you are more than capable of lying and / or cheating, therefore I would not be surprised. So, therefore, give me exact details of this situation to prove me that you are not lying; otherwise with no offence I am calling your "example" a b****t, with no offence to you.

Where shall I start? It was 2012, in a small alternative pub in [TOWN REDACTED], England. I was with a few friends from the area, having stopped by after being abroad in Germany. One of my friends said a mate of his was coming along - fair enough, the more the merrier.

We get there and find a nice cosy corner upstairs, it's a cool sort of Aztec-themed alternative bar selling a lot of continental beers. We're there for a while drinking, and then.....

shall I go on?

This are not vague details, since I did assumptions

there

you

go

neither of us can not state that my super atmospheric space transport will now drop entire Nihonese corps on that island

Today I Learned: A human being surviving a gunshot wound to the lung when there is a medic literally six feet away, a medevac about 50m away, and a full surgical suite about 15 minutes away, is as likely as the existence of a star wars-type spaceship....

And I heard that you said "If Aoife was to die, this would be okay with me." Enjoy your cooperativeness.

There's a difference between being okay with her dying, and having you pounce on me insisting she has to die because she got shot once in the lung, before I'd even announced whether she survived or not

send your assassins or post on the embassy thread if you want to 'win' and 'do some damage' please

What I am trying to dictate you in here is to play fairly.

Hate to break it to you, but trying to dictate things in an open-text RP is basically a waste of time - unless it is super-clear cut, like a human getting hit by a 125mm shell, or getting shot through the brain with a 20mm HEF, or having their head chopped off. Even then, you can't really force anything - you just walk away if you really think it is completely unbelievable what the other person is doing.

[Flardania]

OMG
Brytene it's hard to trust you with the mind games that went on
Inyur Brytene did link to his iiwiki and it's not his fault you did not check it in the beginning and would not let him retcon the attachment later (Not sure about the bold)
Cus the platoon drop is not a fair comparison

[Inyourfaceistan]

and no actually you had to go back to edit the posts to remove the burns you initially accepted your guy as having so no, he wasn't wearing a backpack the whole time

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=344186&p=24949479&hilit=backpack#p24949479

Original post referencing the backpack remains unedited.

OK, well I am going to be the first to admit I haven't been a massive angel throughout this thread, but it's pretty clear it's by no means one-sided, and to be fair the worst thing I have done OOC is lie by omission - I never actually said I would play by the dice roll, just confirmed that that's what Cusc and I did. Yeah it's not the best thing I've ever done but it's hardly 'non-stop fucking you over'.

Literally everything you have done here is just find new ways to draw my people out of Inyursta so you can kill them and add the kill to your fact book page...

The fact that you OOC'ly can't be trusted just makes it even worse.

Plus you won on most of the major points - my marines both got killed, my staff got captured,

Because there was no way they could not.
What were they going to do? Fight 2 v 24+local backup and miraculously kill all the CADI grunts?
What was your staff going to do? Fight their way through Santiago and either hijack a plane or drive to the coast now that every city in Cuscatlan has turned into Mogudishu looking for them?

Besides, from an IC standpoint it was their choice not to surrender. Just like Tançias...

you forced me to reveal what poison I'd used pretty much instantly,

That's part of that OOC cooperation you keep speaking of...

You wanna know what I'm going to do to your staff?
Release in the jungle with no idea where they are.
See, now you know my plan. It doesn't change anything IC now, does it?

and got the entire duel reset...

Oh no! Fair fight, how awful!(although I would hardly consider 1v12 a fair fight).

plus Aoife is now currently undergoing critical surgery, her fate undecided (though the more Cusc demands one thing, the more I lean towards the other)

And thank you for at least being reasonable in that regard.

But just to confirm, yes I haven't been the easiest to RP with, but I think the following should give you an idea of what I've been dealing with - it's a two way street

...the longer this shit drags on...

...I was pretty damn clear...

...I'm just ticked you snuck one over on Cusc...

Believe it or not even savage, capitalist Latino trash like us get the fuck away when shots start being fired...

I still dictate how much fucking money he had in his accounts...

Well ISD isn't involved with CADI so it looks like you got me so fucking good I have to create a link which wasn't there in the first place.

You better be more specific than that if you expect me to let you post here.

Sure went out of your way just to bag a few 0's from some guy you murdered...

I am OP. My thread my rules

...Otherwise, get over it...

Brytene, perhaps you shouldn't try RPing?

Wait...an undetectable pathogen that attacks only the target? Do I smell... wank?

I'm going to sit here calling godmod and wank unless you give me the name of your pathogen.

...unless you're afraid that you'll get caught in the act of godmodding?

(spoiler alert, I wasn't, it was just ricin)

Has somebody invited you here?

If not, please leave. Came to cause yet another argument I see ?

Or maybe you came to troll like your friends from Atlas do? You do that all the time, I am not surprised.

Sorry if I took you wrong, Val...

Well then go start your little Bryt-SACTO conflict, I won't be coming

talk more trash on your little RMB,

you and your region people decide "fuk teh sacto fgts" or however you talk over there

Sorry that I don't take the time to stalk your little wikipage...

...Right. Because I'm the one who broke the OOC agreement for a dice roll and decided to draw early...
Yeah, I was obviously the one to lie and I had to try (and fail) to rig the fight because I didn't want my character to die...
Yup. That's exactly what went down here.
/sarc...

...YOU are the one that tried to be sneaky, and you are the one that drew early, NOT ME.
If you didn't want it to turn into a giant OOC debate then you are the one that shouldn't have cheated...

...nowhere near as unfair as telling someone the duel will be settled by a dice roll, and then deciding to fuck them over and cheat anyways...

Though it is also good to know Aoife is an invincible CoD character

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Bullshit. Nothing is fair after the shit you pulled...
There is a reason no one who bore witness to what happened here OOC'ly will ever trust you again...

...I don't think you know how this works...

...honestly IDGAF if this whole shitfest gets retconned, considering it was pretty much your idea to start it so...

*Somebody* refuses to even acknowledge the possibility of their character dying, and is willing to sink to very low OOC levels...

What is this conviction you have that makes you think you can just cheat to get your way? Your asking me to trust you yet you have proven yourself dishonest...

...Oh bullshit...

...after this mess I am convinced you wouldn't have accepted the result against Nihon had that roll turned out differently...

...I honestly don't give a flying fuck...

...you will stomp your feet if I have Nuelle decide to pull that trigger...

...you are too obsessed with winning and refuse to acknowledge the possibility of your little character dying...

If you can't accept losses, then I'm going to be serious and suggest that you withdraw from RPing in general, until you can learn to suck up your pride.

The problem is here that you want to enforce your version on all of us

followed almost immediately by

Aoife either is dead or on life support for rest of her life.

and

...you have been given honour of choosing which way Aoife will die. I am not telling you what to write in any way...

You were never playing nice from the start so don't give me shit...

If that doesn't work then we know the bitch is invincible...

...clearly Aoife isn't going to die no matter what hits her...

...the whole thing was just one very dishonest OOC trap...

If you need me to draw a nice picture for you and put it into simpler words then I can...

...non-stop fucked them [me] over...

Oh so now you acknowledge most of these which you have conviently ignored when they were posted to avoid actually addressing the issues at hand.

1) If they were really that bad why did you not adress them immediately? Why did you choose to ignore most of those points you quoted me saying?
Why did you wait until like the 5th time I mentioned about your deception with the dice roll to actually come up with a response to it?
Why did you just choose to quote my saying I believe you RP Aoife as invincible instead of politely disagreeing and explaining how I'm wrong?

2) You posted those as if they weren't in reaction to something.
Yes, generally people tend to get mad when they are deceived - especially by someone who then immediatley turns around and accuses the person they just tricked of being 'uncooperative'.
Generally, people also don't like it when they are refered to as "fgt" and all their characters are just "some SACTO fgt", and that generally prompts and unfriendly response.

3) This builds on point two, but almost all of those quotes were in reaction to something YOU DID.
Don't try and act like its something "you have to put up with" when every reaction was brought on by your actions.
If you don't want me getting mad that you turn around and brag about how many "sacto fgts" you killed on your RMB, THEN DONT FREAKING DO IT!

OMG
Brytene it's hard to trust you with the mind games that went on
Inyur Brytene did link to his iiwiki and it's not his fault you did not check it in the beginning and would not let him retcon the attachment later (Not sure about the bold)
Cus the platoon drop is not a fair comparison

This is fair. (Although the bold is not true).

Your right Flard.

Brytene sorry I did not take the time to read your wiki and just assumed the flamethrower would work became needlessly angry about it latter.

[Brytene]

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Original post referencing the backpack remains unedited.

But you did edit the post to remove the reference about his back being on fire - not because you 'noticed' a mistake, but because you were looking for a way out or to kill Aoife (you even mentioned having a 'trick up your sleeve' before you made the edit')

Literally everything you have done here is just find new ways to draw my people out of Inyursta so you can kill them and add the kill to your fact book page...

TBF the only reason you asked if I had an embassy was to attack it

What were they going to do? Fight 2 v 24+local backup and miraculously kill all the CADI grunts?

IDK, maybe get to a neutral embassy, or yeah find a fast car and escape for a period - at least if they'd resisted well enough, they could have forced Cuscatlan to openly help CADI

That's part of that OOC cooperation you keep speaking of...

yeah so...I can be co-operative?

Oh no! Fair fight, how awful!(although I would hardly consider 1v12 a fair fight).

Given it resulted in Aoife getting shot in the chest instead of killing Nuelle instantly, then I'd say yeah I caved on that one too

Oh so now you acknowledge most of these which you have conviently ignored when they were posted to avoid actually addressing the issues at hand.

1) If they were really that bad why did you not adress them immediately? Why did you choose to ignore most of those points you quoted me saying?
Why did you wait until like the 5th time I mentioned about your deception with the dice roll to actually come up with a response to it?
Why did you just choose to quote my saying I believe you RP Aoife as invincible instead of politely disagreeing and explaining how I'm wrong?

Actually I addressed quite a few of these when they were first mentioned

2) You posted those as if they weren't in reaction to something.
Yes, generally people tend to get mad when they are deceived - especially by someone who then immediatley turns around and accuses the person they just tricked of being 'uncooperative'.

Actually, most of those came before I 'deceived' you...

Generally, people also don't like it when they are refered to as "fgt" and all their characters are just "some SACTO fgt", and that generally prompts and unfriendly response.

Just a heads up, Atlas has a specific rule (it's even written down somewhere) that insults made in huecode aren't meant seriously. I've been called a 'fgt' millions of times on there, though to be fair you didn't know that

This builds on point two, but almost all of those quotes were in reaction to something YOU DID.
Don't try and act like its something "you have to put up with" when every reaction was brought on by your actions.

Come on, please. My point was in no way that this is all your fault, just that it's not 100% my fault either. But really, just because you dislike my RP isn't justification for kicking off, swearing at me, and having such an aggressive attitude. I'll admit I've been too pushy too at times too, but there's no way that all of the stuff I linked is a reasonable reaction to what was happening.

Your right Flard.

Brytene sorry I did not take the time to read your wiki and just assumed the flamethrower would work became needlessly angry about it latter.

Thanks, really, like I said in the TG we don't need to keep having this argument. The RP is over, we can stop now.

[Brytene]

Since Cusc is no longer RPing with Atlas, then this RP is pretty much over.

To decide the fate of the two hostages and the embassy staff (the characters currently in danger from enemy actions) then I will simply say this:

If Germany win the Women's World Cup playoff against England on Saturday, Melendez recovers from his injuries, the hostages are released unharmed and six of the embassy staff are killed by the bombardment, the rest surrender and are deported safely back to Cuscatlan.

If England beats Germany, then only two of the embassy staff are killed by the bombardment and they are allowed to walk out with their arms and fly home, whilst melendez and the two hostages are killed.

In the rare event of a draw (before penalties), everyone dies.

And that's a wrap, folks!

PS: For the record, Cusc blames me for 'bashing SACTO' and insists I am the reason he has decided to ignore Atlas for the umpteenth time - though I have used the Atlas RMB to bash SACTO in the past, I in fact was one of the voices asking people to stop bashing them in the last few days, and I think that the post above will show that any such abuse has most certainly not been all one-way

I will not speculate on Cusc's true motives for this blanket ban, but suffice to say we have finally reached a point where we no longer have to RP with each other, and I think that is in everyone's best interests

[Inyourfaceistan]

Okay, I could argue you all day, and if you are honestly going to take offense to those posts above, yet not see why we would take offense to being called "fgts", then there is no point drawing this out any more than it needs to go...

Literally everything you have done here is just find new ways to draw my people out of Inyursta so you can kill them and add the kill to your fact book page...

TBF the only reason you asked if I had an embassy was to attack it

Actually you asked if I had an embassy first, I know because you gave me some snide comment about capitalist nations not needing embassies or some crud like that...

Anyways, I have talked to Cusc and he basically said he wants me to RP sinking the sub and at least trying to have the embassy staff fight to the death rather than being taken alive and ransomed/executed on your terms, so that's that.
And as I said before I will be releasing the hostages, but of course in the same manner (half-assed and almost self-sabotaging) that their demands were "met".
As for Melendez, right now I'm trying to decide if he is worth more as a lone survivor or another martyr...

[Brytene]

Okay, I could argue you all day, and if you are honestly going to take offense to those posts above, yet not see why we would take offense to being called "fgts", then there is no point drawing this out any more than it needs to go...

Like I said, that's an oddity of the Atlas RMB - you'll notice that we call each other far worse on a daily basis, and it's a written rule that insults written in huecode are not meant to be taken seriously. But like I said, how were you to know, so fair enough, and in any case some helpful anonymous types have taken it upon themselves to patrol our RMB and report any dangerous material to the mods, so we are all safe in that regard!

Actually you asked if I had an embassy first, I know because you gave me some snide comment about capitalist nations not needing embassies or some crud like that...

No, IC brytene offered that your politicians could escape to my embassies and you then informed me you didn't use embassies, which then triggered my 'crud'

Anyways, I have talked to Cusc and he basically said he wants me to RP sinking the sub and at least trying to have the embassy staff fight to the death rather than being taken alive and ransomed/executed on your terms, so that's that.
And as I said before I will be releasing the hostages, but of course in the same manner (half-assed and almost self-sabotaging) that their demands were "met".
As for Melendez, right now I'm trying to decide if he is worth more as a lone survivor or another martyr...

Oh yaay, well I await your next post with top anticipation and great expectations I can't possibly see how this could turn out badly!

[Mizrad]

Soooooooooooo this RP is still alive right?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Soooooooooooo this RP is still alive right?

Technically...

If you want to go ahead and post about finding that key piece of evidence I TG'ed you about...

[Inyourfaceistan]

I will reply to this tomorrow when Cusc tells me what all weapons his staff are packing and what the layout is, and more importantly when I can draw up a nice image of Nuelle...

[Brytene]

They call me the magician. I think you know why

Is it because you dual-wield a shitty pistol and an equally shitty flamethrower and expect the other character to die meanwhile you can catch a .45 ACP hollow-point to the upper lung and survive?

Because that seems pretty magical to me...

Well it seems you are busy working down the salt mines (a commendable and worthwhile endeavour!) so, since England beat Germany, I think if you've not posted in the next day or so I'll do you a favour and just post up the gamble outcome instead

would hate to see you overworked duck <3

[Inyourfaceistan]

Is it because you dual-wield a shitty pistol and an equally shitty flamethrower and expect the other character to die meanwhile you can catch a .45 ACP hollow-point to the upper lung and survive?

Because that seems pretty magical to me...

Well it seems you are busy working down the salt mines (a commendable and worthwhile endeavour!)

What?

so, since England beat Germany, I think if you've not posted in the next day or so I'll do you a favour and just post up the gamble outcome instead

would hate to see you overworked duck <3

I'm working on a pure reply now but it looks like it will be seperate from my news article.

Besides I was rooting for those Colombianas anyway and stopped caring after that...

[Brytene]

What?

I'm working on a pure reply now but it looks like it will be seperate from my news article.

Besides I was rooting for those Colombianas anyway and stopped caring after that...

thought you lived in america

traitor

[Inyourfaceistan]

I'm working on a pure reply now but it looks like it will be seperate from my news article.

Besides I was rooting for those Colombianas anyway and stopped caring after that...

thought you lived in america

traitor

> Implying most Americans care about soccer
> Implying rooting for Colombia over England would be treason