OOC Thread for Inyurstan Whistleblower Crisis [Closed]

[Brytene]

Why would I negotiate instead of just playing the hand? I can just ignore the compromise and loose my $5 my way?

Becauseeee if you decide to start ignoring me, I can then just ignore you right back. I don't have to lose my five dollars just because you burn yours

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EDIT - also, I think it's pretty clear that killing Aoife is more valuable to you than preserving Nuelle's life, so 5/5 isn't really accurate...more like 10/5

[Inyourfaceistan]

Why would I negotiate instead of just playing the hand? I can just ignore the compromise and loose my $5 my way?

Becauseeee if you decide to start ignoring me, I can then just ignore you right back. I don't have to lose my five dollars just because you burn yours

But see then I never lost mine in the first place...

EDIT - also, I think it's pretty clear that killing Aoife is more valuable to you than preserving Nuelle's life, so 5/5 isn't really accurate...more like 10/5

I know it's pretty damn obvious that preserving Aoife's life is more valuable to you than killing Nuelle, so 5/5 is pretty accurate...

[New Aeyariss]

Heads up, Brytene: since I plan to sink your SSN now, may I ask how did you detect my SSN?

Detecting a sub is not so easy as you may think, so I am listening .

[Brytene]

I know it's pretty damn obvious that preserving Aoife's life is more valuable to you than killing Nuelle, so 5/5 is pretty accurate...

OK, so we're not playing nice then...that's a shame!

But for the record, if we both believe that as a character (not a human being) Aoife is worth more than Nuelle...which by default would have made it not an even wager. But it doesn't matter now eh

EDIT - btw, remember you still have the hostages, whatever you decide to do with them in your next post

Heads up, Brytene: since I plan to sink your SSN now, may I ask how did you detect my SSN?

Detecting a sub is not so easy as you may think, so I am listening .

Oh you're quite right - I edited my post, I assumed you were using active sonar the first time!

For the record though, since you have not stated any facts about any special Nihonese torpedoes, I am going to assume they have roughly the same capabilities, speed, range etc as real-world torpedoes.

EDIT - speaking of stuff that went under the radar, I just found out about the SCOTUS pro-gay decision in the US! freedom is awesome

[New Aeyariss]

Oh you're quite right - I edited my post, I assumed you were using active sonar the first time!

For the record though, since you have not stated any facts about any special Nihonese torpedoes, I am going to assume they have roughly the same capabilities, speed, range etc as real-world torpedoes.

Yeah, most of my gear is RL - based, so you do not have to worry about that.

[Inyourfaceistan]

OK, so we're not playing nice then...that's a shame!

You were never playing nice from the start so don't give me shit for acting on that fact.

I figured Nuelle would miss regardless, good thing I shot center mass and not at the head...

[Brytene]

You were never playing nice from the start so don't give me shit for acting on that fact.

I figured Nuelle would miss regardless, good thing I shot center mass and not at the head...

[Inyourfaceistan]

You were never playing nice from the start so don't give me shit for acting on that fact.

I figured Nuelle would miss regardless, good thing I shot center mass and not at the head...

Not sure what this reply has to do with anything...

[Brytene]

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Not sure what this reply has to do with anything...[/quote]
it is pretty self-explanatory....there is no need for you to be upset

[Inyourfaceistan]

it is pretty self-explanatory....there is no need for you to be upset

What do I seem upset about?

[Brytene]

What do I seem upset about?

frankly I couldn't say, it seems more like a state of mind than any actual incident, but if you're happy then I'm happy!

[Inyourfaceistan]

frankly I couldn't say, it seems more like a state of mind than any actual incident, but if you're happy then I'm happy!

Well I actually had several people tell me to "aim for the head", and I told them that if he misses (which I figured he would) then he will hit something important if I shoot at the heart, but a missed headshot would just result in a graze or a lost ear or something...

[Brytene]

Well I actually had several people tell me to "aim for the head", and I told them that if he misses (which I figured he would) then he will hit something important if I shoot at the heart, but a missed headshot would just result in a graze or a lost ear or something...

Ah man, well that's unfortunate, because luckily the human body isn't 100% vital organs and even if it was, pistol gunshot wounds actually have a pretty high survivability rate.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Ah man, well that's unfortunate, because luckily the human body isn't 100% vital organs and even if it was, pistol gunshot wounds actually have a pretty high survivability rate.

It's not unfortunate for me because it justified my shooting at the heart instead of the head. Blasting a lung apart is a lot worse of an injury than is some lacerated scalp or a missing ear.

So that's actually great for me, all things considered, because it means from a neutral standpoint I just walked off with the best possible outcome in my position...

[New Aeyariss]

Even with .45 ACP hollow point rounds, shot placement was king - a direct hit to a vital organ was needed to kill instantly, and simply hitting 'within a large circle' just wasn't good enough. Missing the heart by an inch wouldn't do it - even hollow-point ammo only had a spread of maybe 0.8-.085 inches. The ACP certainly had stopping power, but it was still only a pistol round.

The shot hit like a sledgehammer, drilling just to the right of her spinal column, on a level with her heart. The shot punctured a lung and stayed there, the hollow-point ensuring that the bullet didn't pass through the back of her body to leave an exit wound. She staggered, and then collapsed backwards. Almost instantly, members of the Lantern Guard around her were rushing to her aid, putting in a call to the nearby Fleet vessels as the Sea Eagle VTOL down the beach began powering up its rotors.

@IYF, @Brytene: It worked anyway. You hit the lungs. I apologize if I mistake Enligsh terms, but I received my training in this IRL in Polish, so... I have to re - learn whole vocabulary, but point remains.

Now I will not post in here effects of hollow point round for Brytene, but this does not change the fact that Aoife still has one issue to worry about; factors such as shock or pneumothorax. The bullet hit the lungs. Considering effects of hollow point, since it wrecked huge hole in the lung, the air from outside will get in there quickly, which will lead to pressure in lung and outside having the same level (usually lungs have lower pressure than air outside). This, in return, will lead to collapse of the lung, making Aoife unable to breath properly - one lung taken out, and whole issue will also be increased due to so called paradoxical breathing. We have also to consider that lungs are being filled right now with Aoife's own blood, making it even harder.

Assuming that shock or blood loss will not kill her, she will suffocate very soon. Pistol wounds may not be highest calibre - but that does not mean they are not danger. In other words; Aoife either is dead or on life support for rest of her life.

[Brytene]

Assuming that shock or blood loss will not kill her, she will suffocate very soon. Pistol wounds may not be highest calibre - but that does not mean they are not danger. In other words; Aoife either is dead or on life support for rest of her life.

Just like Reagan eh

hollow-point does more damage than a 9mm for example but it ain't no cannon

[Inyourfaceistan]

@IYF, @Brytene: It worked anyway. You hit the lungs. I apologize if I mistake Enligsh terms, but I received my training in this IRL in Polish, so... I have to re - learn whole vocabulary, but point remains.

Now I will not post in here effects of hollow point round for Brytene, but this does not change the fact that Aoife still has one issue to worry about; factors such as shock or pneumothorax. The bullet hit the lungs. Considering effects of hollow point, since it wrecked huge hole in the lung, the air from outside will get in there quickly, which will lead to pressure in lung and outside having the same level (usually lungs have lower pressure than air outside). This, in return, will lead to collapse of the lung, making Aoife unable to breath properly - one lung taken out, and whole issue will also be increased due to so called paradoxical breathing. We have also to consider that lungs are being filled right now with Aoife's own blood, making it even harder.

Assuming that shock or blood loss will not kill her, she will suffocate very soon. Pistol wounds may not be highest calibre - but that does not mean they are not danger. In other words; Aoife either is dead or on life support for rest of her life.

I don't even care.
If a former special forces guy couldn't do it inside of 20 yards with a .45 ACP hollow point then the only better option to try would be Masterchief a .50 cal magnum R.I.P. laced with beryllium or some other toxic metal inside of 10 yards. If that doesn't work then we know the bitch is invincible...
I mean I have seen pictures of the effects those bad boys do to coyotes and bobcats, so I assume having one of those hit the lungs and subsequent arteries would be equally devastating, but clearly Aoife isn't going to die no matter what hits her so this is probably the best result we are going to get.

But Aoife just took a serious injury and Nuelle won't be taken alive and/or executed/poisoned like everyone else; which was my real concern once I realized the whole thing was just one very dishonest OOC trap...

[New Aeyariss]

@Brytene it does not need to be. I have not heard about the Regan case, just telling what I know.

0.45 ACP Hollow - point is more than enough to do serious damage if it had hit lung on area of chest. If those bullets did no harm nobody would have used them. Pneumothrax is serious threat even if we consider "standard" ammunition. The chest wounds are roughly 25% of all wounds on the battlefield, but are most serious ones.

Cannon or not; if it hit lungs, it created hole. And this alone is serious threat to Aoife's life.

[Riysa]

@Brytene it does not need to be. I have not heard about the Regan case, just telling what I know.

0.45 ACP Hollow - point is more than enough to do serious damage if it had hit lung on area of chest. If those bullets did no harm nobody would have used them. Pneumothrax is serious threat even if we consider "standard" ammunition. The chest wounds are roughly 25% of all wounds on the battlefield, but are most serious ones.

Cannon or not; if it hit lungs, it created hole. And this alone is serious threat to Aoife's life.

To add to this, Regan was shot at by a .22LR revolver, which hits with about 1/6th of the energy of a .45 ACP bullet, the shooter did not use hollow point rounds (they were a special type that was supposed to detonate on contact but they failed to), and none actually hit Regan directly.

[Brytene]

Cannon or not; if it hit lungs, it created hole. And this alone is serious threat to Aoife's life.

Oh man, it's a good thing I didn't post her springing back up and going to tango the night away at a tiki bar then

I mean, she is currently unconscious on the ground, bleeding badly and surrounded by panicked medics, so I'm not sure what you wanted - her head to have exploded, or a big WASTED sign to appear like on GTA? It's not like she's been hit with napalm and is still fighting or anything...

Seriously Cusc I appreciate you telling me what's wrong with posts I haven't even made yet, it's super helpful and really awesome and if I could, I would just let you write all my posts in the future, but unfortunately that's not how NS works! Real shame I know

but if what you could do is post on the embassy thread, that'd be sweeeet. Also I'm assuming you or Iny are going to kill the two hostages now right?

[Brytene]

clearly Aoife isn't going to die no matter what hits her

, I'm not gonna sit here and argue whether it's more realistic to survive napalm or a .45 ACP hollowpoint, I'm just gonna give you a heads-up

your music tags don't have to be 'counter-theme' - we're not trying to 'win' at music (I hope we haven't sunk that far!)

you are allowed to just have a 'theme' all of your own for your posts!

[Inyourfaceistan]

Cannon or not; if it hit lungs, it created hole. And this alone is serious threat to Aoife's life.

Oh man, it's a good thing I didn't post her springing back up and going to tango the night away at a tiki bar then

Thank you for temporarily ruining the image of seductiveness associated with the Tango for me...

It's not like she's been hit with napalm and is still fighting or anything...

Yeah, but it's not like it was a .45 APC hollow point fired from a slingshot, either.
Let's not compare one projectile fired from a working weapon to one that came out of CoD's wildest dreams.

but if what you could do is post on the embassy thread, that'd be sweeeet. Also I'm assuming you or Iny are going to kill the two hostages now right?

Actually no.
In the same manner Brytene paid CADI, CADI will release the hostages.

your music tags don't have to be 'counter-theme' - we're not trying to 'win' at music (I hope we haven't sunk that far!)

you are allowed to just have a 'theme' all of your own for your posts!

No, it basically just means two themes running back-to-back or side by side, or opposite...

You know like a "counter-current"?

[Brytene]

Thank you for temporarily ruining the image of seductiveness associated with the Tango for me...

Oh man sorry you're not into Natalie Dormer

Yeah, but it's not like it was a .45 APC hollow point fired from a slingshot, either.
Let's not compare one projectile fired from a working weapon to one that came out of CoD's wildest dreams.

For a moment (in fact, since the embassy attack) you accepted it existed because you thought Nuelle could shrug off being on fire. Even then, you just added a backpack when the guys at Realism informed you that being on fire is actually a bad thing

Actually no.
In the same manner Brytene paid CADI, CADI will release the hostages.

Yaaaay
to be clear though, if you want it to have any effect then you are gonna have to tell me exactly what you've done the moment you put up the post, since Cusc and Riysa didn't hesitate to call me a 'godmodder' and accuse me of, er, 'wank' unless/until I told them OOC about the ricin.

No, it basically just means two themes running back-to-back or side by side, or opposite...

You know like a "counter-current"?

but it's not

it's not like the music i post is for you

it's not like britain plays its national anthem at the olympics and then china arrives with a 'counter-anthem'

they just play their own anthem

don't let others define you bbe <3

EDIT - btw, I hope the answers you received in the Realism thread regarding gunshot wounds have helped clarify some things. Yup, being shot by a .45 ACP hollowpoint certainly isn't a picnic, and there's a solid chance at mortality, but given I've met a guy who got shot in the chest by an SVD in Kosovo and survived, I don't think expecting a single pistol-calibre bullet to automatically kill someone is going to work out well, especially when people start demanding it before I'd even said whether she lived or died.

Mind you, that's not aimed at you so much Iny, since you seem to accept that blowing a hole in the torso of a leader of state is still a pretty respectable outcome for someone who only got a single bullet off

[Inyourfaceistan]

For a moment (in fact, since the embassy attack) you accepted it existed because you thought Nuelle could shrug off being on fire. Even then, you just added a backpack when the guys at Realism informed you that being on fire is actually a bad thing

I have explained this numerous times. If you need me to draw a nice picture for you and put it into simpler words then I can, otherwise, go back and read what I said before.

EDIT - btw, I hope the answers you received in the Realism thread regarding gunshot wounds have helped clarify some things. Yup, being shot by a .45 ACP hollowpoint certainly isn't a picnic, and there's a solid chance at mortality, but given I've met a guy who got shot in the chest by an SVD in Kosovo and survived, I don't think expecting a single pistol-calibre bullet to automatically kill someone is going to work out well, especially when people start demanding it before I'd even said whether she lived or died.

Well that's what happens when you bring 13 guns to a 1v1 gunfight... You tend to have the advantage...

But I also have seen pictures of what a .45 hollow-point does to a bobcat, and it's not pretty...

Mind you, that's not aimed at you so much Iny, since you seem to accept that blowing a hole in the torso of a leader of state is still a pretty respectable outcome for someone who only got a single bullet off

Well like I said before, having someone like Nuelle get captured was my one unacceptable outcome. So I don't really mind what happens to Aoife, per-se.

[El Cuscatlan]

Oh man, it's a good thing I didn't post her springing back up and going to tango the night away at a tiki bar then

I mean, she is currently unconscious on the ground, bleeding badly and surrounded by panicked medics, so I'm not sure what you wanted - her head to have exploded, or a big WASTED sign to appear like on GTA? It's not like she's been hit with napalm and is still fighting or anything...

Seriously Cusc I appreciate you telling me what's wrong with posts I haven't even made yet, it's super helpful and really awesome and if I could, I would just let you write all my posts in the future, but unfortunately that's not how NS works! Real shame I know

Can you please instead of making posts aimed at me reply to my point? I mean no offence, but you never seen me using posts like "lol people are ridiculous" or attempting to switch the topic from situation to other. My point, is not that she is "WASTED!" like in GTA, but my point is, that I expect her to die in:

- Less than minute considering amount of blood she is going to loose after such wound. We are talking about hollow point in here, small or big, that round does damage. Assuming size of wound and the fact that human has ~ 5L of blood, and that hit occurred at heart level, it means that Aoife will loose more than 50% of her blood, while ~ 40% is border area after which care begins to be senseless.

- Pneumothrax, which I already discussed above, few minutes to suffocate due to lung collapse.

- Shock caused by blood loss.

- Fact that assuming found of this size and fact that lungs are generally clean areas she will get an infection for sure.

Thus, you have been given honour of choosing which way Aoife will die. I am not telling you what to write in any way, since I do not have that power. I am however telling that what are you writing is technically wrong, and you have choice to either accept it with agreement, attempt to dispute with me with clear and logical arguments, break every rule of realism, good RPing and behaviour and tell "lol people are ridiculous, no because I can not accept defeat" or quit RP. First two are good, last two are bad.

Choice is up to you.

but if what you could do is post on the embassy thread, that'd be sweeeet. Also I'm assuming you or Iny are going to kill the two hostages now right?

JUST THE SUBMARINE.

Credit to DragoArt for original drawing .