OOC Thread for Inyurstan Whistleblower Crisis [Closed]

[Inyourfaceistan]

This is the OOC for the Whistleblower Crisis turned Embassy Crisis

IC Thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=341192

[Brytene]

K well just to answer about the claymore

- firstly, it's not actually a US military claymore from the 1980's (I use no real-world tech), it's a much smaller device designed for use against personnel only, similar to the newer model antipersonnel mine being developed by the US
- secondly, it's planted at the door facing outwards, so the majority of its force goes outside
- thirdly, it is quite some distance from Sergeant West

hope that clears things up

[Inyourfaceistan]

K well just to answer about the claymore

- firstly, it's not actually a US military claymore from the 1980's (I use no real-world tech), it's a much smaller device designed for use against personnel only, similar to the newer model antipersonnel mine being developed by the US
- secondly, it's planted at the door facing outwards, so the majority of its force goes outside
- thirdly, it is quite some distance from Sergeant West

hope that clears things up

K naming your mine a claymore mine and not stating its different from the M18 Claymore mine is bound to confuse some people.

You also didn't really explain how the Cuscatlani sniper missed/obscured his would-be first shot the second the guard opens the door, but I guess I can work with it...

[Brytene]

K well the first time he just popped his head out, didn't step out, and really the second time wouldn't change much - he got shot about 3 feet outside of the door so...

[New Aeyariss]

Well.... if I have to address my concerns, if you look at embassy security, I am sure that there are several restrictions on weapons that embassy protection staff can posses. This is not an attempt to OOCly cripple down Brytene, just a fact.

Claymore is not something any state will allow with exception of warzones, I believe.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Well.... if I have to address my concerns, if you look at embassy security, I am sure that there are several restrictions on weapons that embassy protection staff can posses. This is not an attempt to OOCly cripple down Brytene, just a fact.

Claymore is not something any state will allow with exception of warzones, I believe.

Meh, we break embassy rules all the time. *looks at current situation*
Breaking IC rules I don't see a problem with, and since he clarified his claymore is different from the other mine that shares the same moniker Im fine with it.

But my real question is about the guard who knew to stay away from the windows yet opens up the door. I would assume the minute that door comes open and it becomes obvious he is neither the senator nor the ambassador he is loosing that head of his...
But I guess that's not the case?

[Brytene]

Meh, we break embassy rules all the time. *looks at current situation*
Breaking IC rules I don't see a problem with, and since he clarified his claymore is different from the other mine that shares the same moniker Im fine with it.

But my real question is about the guard who knew to stay away from the windows yet opens up the door. I would assume the minute that door comes open and it becomes obvious he is neither the senator nor the ambassador he is loosing that head of his...
But I guess that's not the case?

you can have him shot the moment he opens the door if you want, but it makes no real difference - the others could see the door they escaped through, he didn't really help them escape much.

As for being shot - since the Cuscatlani snipers are experts, I assumed they would go for the weakest point, where the guard was unarmoured - in his shoulder. With a civilian-issue hunting rifle like the one he named, I guessed well-trained militia would not risk shooting at the heavily-armoured helmet at such distances. Either way again, the guard is still down and bleeding out now

[Brytene]

Wow you guys really went all out eh, LAC's, tanks, multiple sniper teams, infantry - what's next, attack helicopters? Your capital city is probably going to experience a dip in tourism I expect

Anyway, my last post should be pretty self-explanatory, but to be clear:

since you said your snipers were firing at a car and that they fired the moment my guys started running, then it seems to me that they did not check their target properly - my guys were running across a street filled with stopped vehicles (because of the explosion, and it is a big busy capital city) and they were running towards a pickup which is a kind of truck.

As for the underslung, it is incredibly short-burst and limited duration, basically a one-shot CQB, not some call-of-duty nonsense with twenty shots or anything. If you think it is not fair, we can change it to be an underbarrel shotgun, but to be honest that would have the same effect against two people coming through a narrow doorway at such close distance...

[Inyourfaceistan]

Wow you guys really went all out eh, LAC's, tanks, multiple sniper teams, infantry - what's next, attack helicopters? Your capital city is probably going to experience a dip in tourism I expect

Well I wasn't expecting your embassy staff to be Olympic runners who shock value and confusion has no effect on an can apparently beat several men running on foot through open ground out the back door despite being pinned down by a sniper...

I did let it go because I figured it would make some good drama about Galvan thinking he has a leak in his organization how convient and fast that timing was, but that decision is apparently coming to bite me in the ass the longer this shit drags on.

Anyway, my last post should be pretty self-explanatory, but to be clear:

since you said your snipers were firing at a car and that they fired the moment my guys started running, then it seems to me that they did not check their target properly - my guys were running across a street filled with stopped vehicles (because of the explosion, and it is a big busy capital city) and they were running towards a pickup which is a kind of truck.

I mean we all knew what he was talking about, English isn't his first language FYI and he wrote that when he was tired.

Regardless I fired enough bursts to instantly deflate all the tires they engaged, and I was pretty damn clear they were engaging the vehicle the fugitives were escaping into...

As for the underslung, it is incredibly short-burst and limited duration, basically a one-shot CQB, not some call-of-duty nonsense with twenty shots or anything. If you think it is not fair, we can change it to be an underbarrel shotgun, but to be honest that would have the same effect against two people coming through a narrow doorway at such close distance...

IDC about that, I'm just ticked you snuck one over on Cusc...

[Brytene]

Well I wasn't expecting your embassy staff to be Olympic runners who shock value and confusion has no effect on an can apparently beat several men running on foot through open ground out the back door despite being pinned down by a sniper...

I did let it go because I figured it would make some good drama about Galvan thinking he has a leak in his organization how convient and fast that timing was, but that decision is apparently coming to bite me in the ass the longer this shit drags on.

Um
> your guys had to come all the way around the building, my guys were running just from the back door to the street beyond
> they're not 'pinned down', the sniper was paused by Gordons 40mm and are probably 'pinned' themselves
> I mentioned the intern way being outside the embassy earlier precisely because I knew you were probably gonna do something like this

I mean we all knew what he was talking about, English isn't his first language FYI and he wrote that when he was tired.

That's totally true, but his guys did also open fire the moment my people started 'running' to the vehicle - how could they even tell which out of all the many vehicles the group were running to?

Regardless I fired enough bursts to instantly deflate all the tires they engaged, and I was pretty damn clear they were engaging the vehicle the fugitives were escaping into...

Except that your guys had to clear the embassy, the alley, and then pick their target, all in the time it takes for my guys to climb into the truck and hit the gas, and all assuming that there is no-one else on the street and they have 100% clear shot...

IDC about that, I'm just ticked you snuck one over on Cusc...

Hey, I'm not complaining that every post, you add about 20 more guys to the original dozen you had, or pull out another tank or another sniper team or whatever. But if you prefer, we can just have it that the pickup is hit by two 20mm anti-materiel rounds, the fuel tank explodes, and the RP ends there?

[New Aeyariss]

@Brytene: to begin with, I have insomnia. Writing a post after 20h of not sleeping is not fun. It is not like I am complaining, just informing .


I frankly had no idea that "pickup" and "car" do not mean the same, with first one being subgroup of second. Point taken, I was aiming at the pick-up - especially that my snipers would be fools not to see where the embassy protection staff was running.

[Brytene]

@Brytene: to begin with, I have insomnia. Writing a post after 20h of not sleeping is not fun. It is not like I am complaining, just informing .


I frankly had no idea that "pickup" and "car" do not mean the same, with first one being subgroup of second. Point taken, I was aiming at the pick-up - especially that my snipers would be fools not to see where the embassy protection staff was running.

OK, well if that is the case I can rewrite the post so that they hit the pickup, but you're a well-informed guy - you know that 20mm rounds are designed to be effective against military targets. To be frank two different sniper teams firing 20mm anti-materiel rounds at two different angles towards an unarmoured, beat-up old pickup is going to straight-up destroy the pickup, probably igniting the fuel tanks and killing everyone in the vehicle, so if that's how you want this to go then that's how we can do it

[New Aeyariss]

@Brytene: to begin with, I have insomnia. Writing a post after 20h of not sleeping is not fun. It is not like I am complaining, just informing .


I frankly had no idea that "pickup" and "car" do not mean the same, with first one being subgroup of second. Point taken, I was aiming at the pick-up - especially that my snipers would be fools not to see where the embassy protection staff was running.

OK, well if that is the case I can rewrite the post so that they hit the pickup, but you're a military guy - you know that 20mm rounds are designed to be effective against military targets. To be frank two different sniper teams firing 20mm anti-materiel rounds at two different angles towards an unarmoured, beat-up old pickup is going to straight-up destroy the pickup, probably igniting the fuel tanks and killing everyone in the vehicle, so if that's how you want this to go then that's how we can do it

I am fully aware what such attack would cause, since "Arash" rifle on which I based that one is designated by Iranians as "Anti - helicopter rifle". That rounds are anti - materiel, which means they are for taking down vehicles, yeah.

Tough wait a bit with edit, I will talk to IYF how can we change that.

[Brytene]

I am fully aware what such attack would cause, since "Arash" rifle on which I based that one is designated by Iranians as "Anti - helicopter rifle". That rounds are anti - materiel, which means they are for taking down vehicles, yeah.

Tough wait a bit with edit, I will talk to IYF how can we change that.

good good well just let me know what you want to do.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Well I wasn't expecting your embassy staff to be Olympic runners who shock value and confusion has no effect on an can apparently beat several men running on foot through open ground out the back door despite being pinned down by a sniper...

I did let it go because I figured it would make some good drama about Galvan thinking he has a leak in his organization how convient and fast that timing was, but that decision is apparently coming to bite me in the ass the longer this shit drags on.

Um
> your guys had to come all the way around the building, my guys were running just from the back door to the street beyond

My guys knew we were coming. They knew the plan was to breach from all angles.
We obviously have a head start + element of surprise.

> they're not 'pinned down', the sniper was paused by Gordons 40mm and are probably 'pinned' themselves

See this is why is real sniper would have off'ed him the minute that door came open...

I mean we all knew what he was talking about, English isn't his first language FYI and he wrote that when he was tired.

That's totally true, but his guys did also open fire the moment my people started 'running' to the vehicle - how could they even tell which out of all the many vehicles the group were running to?

How do we even know their are vehicles still on the street

Regardless I fired enough bursts to instantly deflate all the tires they engaged, and I was pretty damn clear they were engaging the vehicle the fugitives were escaping into...

Except that your guys had to clear the embassy,[/quote]
Nope. They just ran around back in less than a minute...

the alley, and then pick their target, all in the time it takes for my guys to climb into the truck and hit the gas, and all assuming that there is no-one else on the street and they have 100% clear shot...

All the while firing automatic weapons in short, controlled bursts which put down a large volume of fire, and it only takes one bullet to deflate a tire and they would have reasonably gotten off 15 - 20 rounds each...

IDC about that, I'm just ticked you snuck one over on Cusc...

Hey, I'm not complaining that every post, you add about 20 more guys to the original dozen you had, or pull out another tank or another sniper team or whatever. But if you prefer, we can just have it that the pickup is hit by two 20mm anti-materiel rounds, the fuel tank explodes, and the RP ends there?[/quote]

Actually I brought about 22 people in from Inyursta.

The twelve were the "shock force" which was supposed to crash in from all angles (changed to both sides of the house) before anyone knew what was going on, and the rest serve as reinforcements/fortify the grounds after the take over...

[Brytene]

My guys knew we were coming. They knew the plan was to breach from all angles.
We obviously have a head start + element of surprise.

But you posted saying they approached from the front...if you wanted them to already be at the back, you should've said so

See this is why is real sniper would have off'ed him the minute that door came open...

He fired the 40mm AFTER he was hit by the sniper anyway, so he would still have fired off the 40mm, he would have just been 3ft further away from his target....so I don't get what your point is

How do we even know their are vehicles still on the street

What, so on a crowded high street in the capital city of Gran Cuscatlan, everyone helpfully moved their vehicles out of the way?

All the while firing automatic weapons in short, controlled bursts which put down a large volume of fire, and it only takes one bullet to deflate a tire and they would have reasonably gotten off 15 - 20 rounds each...

that's what I'm saying, how come your guys manage to get round the embassy, through the alley, and pick their targets in the time it took for three people to get into a truck and hit the gas?

Actually I brought about 22 people in from Inyursta.

The twelve were the "shock force" which was supposed to crash in from all angles (changed to both sides of the house) before anyone knew what was going on, and the rest serve as reinforcements/fortify the grounds after the take over...

plus the extra snipers, plus the underground tank, plus the technical, plus whatever plus whatever. But like I said I'm not complaining, because even though you and Risya seem to have decided how this is going to end, I haven't.

But it doesn't matter, since El Cusc wants to change the calibre of his shots now so I guess the engine block is down after all

[Inyourfaceistan]

OK, well if that is the case I can rewrite the post so that they hit the pickup, but you're a military guy - you know that 20mm rounds are designed to be effective against military targets. To be frank two different sniper teams firing 20mm anti-materiel rounds at two different angles towards an unarmoured, beat-up old pickup is going to straight-up destroy the pickup, probably igniting the fuel tanks and killing everyone in the vehicle, so if that's how you want this to go then that's how we can do it

I am fully aware what such attack would cause, since "Arash" rifle on which I based that one is designated by Iranians as "Anti - helicopter rifle". That rounds are anti - materiel, which means they are for taking down vehicles, yeah.

Tough wait a bit with edit, I will talk to IYF how can we change that.

I would prefer a certain target to be taken alive...

See you should have just put one of those 20mm straight through the back door and killed the first private when he showed his face...

[Brytene]

I would prefer a certain target to be taken alive...

See you should have just put one of those 20mm straight through the back door and killed the first private when he showed his face...

Ha, seriously, this is your plan? To take the Ambassador hostage for money? You think that's worth the absolute farce of having Gran Cuscatlani police and military look like a joke in their own capital city, and to make all foreign ambassadors believe that Gran Cuscatlan cannot keep order or protect them?

[Inyourfaceistan]

My guys knew we were coming. They knew the plan was to breach from all angles.
We obviously have a head start + element of surprise.

But you posted saying they approached from the front...if you wanted them to already be at the back, you should've said so

They came in through the front entrance and scattered to all angles. I didn't actually RP them getting into position because I didn't know if you had a guard by the front entrence, or wanted to learn the hard way what happens when someone sticks their head up through the window...

See this is why is real sniper would have off'ed him the minute that door came open...

He fired the 40mm AFTER he was hit by the sniper anyway, so he would still have fired off the 40mm, he would have just been 3ft further away from his target....so I don't get what your point is

He would have been either dead or obscured.

See that's why I don't get, is they clearly knew window = headshot; yet this guy opens the door exposing himself, steps out into the back not only exposing himself to one, but now potentially two other snipers; and the sniper botched the shot.

How do we even know their are vehicles still on the street

What, so on a crowded high street in the capital city of Gran Cuscatlan, everyone helpfully moved their vehicles out of the way?

Believe it or not even savage, capitalist Latino trash like us get the fuck away when shots start being fired...

that's what I'm saying, how come your guys manage to get round the embassy, through the alley, and pick their targets in the time it took for three people to get into a truck and hit the gas?

They were coming around the corner when your guy got shot. The just followed a few steps behind.

The managed to get through the alley and pick their targets in the time it took for your people to stop in the street, bang on a window, and get three people into a pick-up...

plus the extra snipers, plus the underground tank, plus the technical, plus whatever plus whatever. But like I said I'm not complaining, because even though you and Risya seem to have decided how this is going to end, I haven't.

Those are Cuscatlani forces.
As for the "technical" (just a pick up with supplies in the back) you read my post about them crossing the border I was pretty sure to describe a whole convoy of vehicles, right now I have only directly written about 3.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Ha, seriously, this is your plan? To take the Ambassador hostage for money? You think that's worth the absolute farce of having Gran Cuscatlani police and military look like a joke in their own capital city, and to make all foreign ambassadors believe that Gran Cuscatlan cannot keep order or protect them?

Or take the senator captive and make a bloody terroristy video about what happens to communists who flee to the arms of gringo monarchs...

Well actually I'm not the one who made an off-duty police officer botch a clean so bad his target could fire a 40mm grenade into a crowed building. And I don't think this is anything new to most people who know Cuscatlan, and I don't think you realize neither of us care...

[Brytene]

Or take the senator captive and make a bloody terroristy video about what happens to communists who flee to the arms of gringo monarchs...

Well actually I'm not the one who made an off-duty police officer botch a clean so bad his target could fire a 40mm grenade into a crowed building. And I don't think this is anything new to most people who know Cuscatlan, and I don't think you realize neither of us care...

Botched the shot? Pretty sure police and police snipers are taught to go for the center of mass, not the head, because sniping isn't like Call of Duty. And assuming it's not some hotshot trying to get a headshot in a critical situation, then why would they shoot at the toughest part of the body armour, instead of the weak shoulder?

also please stop referring to your nation as 'us' you are not Inyurstan and I am not Brytisc and Cusc is not Cuscatlani might lead to emotional responses eh

They came in through the front entrance and scattered to all angles. I didn't actually RP them getting into position because I didn't know if you had a guard by the front entrence, or wanted to learn the hard way what happens when someone sticks their head up through the window....

...so they came in from the front...so they didn't start at the back...so what's your point?

Believe it or not even savage, capitalist Latino trash like us get the fuck away when shots start being fired...

You need to calm down mate, you're not an Inyurstani and I have never made mention of your race whatsoever, especially since afaik El Cusc isn't latino...

They were coming around the corner when your guy got shot. The just followed a few steps behind.

The managed to get through the alley and pick their targets in the time it took for your people to stop in the street, bang on a window, and get three people into a pick-up...

Literally stop talking. The truck is stopped anyway because I agreed it with El Cusc, who is being very polite and reasonable which is nice and worth trying out, that he could change the calibre of his rifles to achieve a better result, so stop talking. Focus on your argument with Ardoki.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Or take the senator captive and make a bloody terroristy video about what happens to communists who flee to the arms of gringo monarchs...

Well actually I'm not the one who made an off-duty police officer botch a clean so bad his target could fire a 40mm grenade into a crowed building. And I don't think this is anything new to most people who know Cuscatlan, and I don't think you realize neither of us care...

Botched the shot? Pretty sure police and police snipers are taught to go for the center of mass, not the head, because sniping isn't like Call of Duty. And assuming it's not some hotshot trying to get a headshot in a critical situation, then why would they shoot at the toughest part of the body armour, instead of the weak shoulder?

Fair point.

...so they came in from the front...so they didn't start at the back...so what's your point?

My point is they were already running with intent to move to the back before the people in the embassy even knew wtf was going on.

You need to calm down mate, you're not an Inyurstani and I have never made mention of your race whatsoever, especially since afaik El Cusc isn't latino...

I was just being mocking about how everyone calls us savage and barbarian for not following their Euro-centric standards of conduct.
But my point was is that people don't stick around when they hear gunfire, no matter what bad things you might have to say about the culture/nationality.

And I know you just said "Inyurstani" to piss me off.

[New Aeyariss]

Inyur: Calm down. This is only a game.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Inyur: Calm down. This is only a game.

> Implying I'm not already calm

And it's actually not a game, it's a story. And when certain plans have numerous setbacks of sheer convenience time and time again it ruins the story...

But fortunately even though my grand idea probably died with the idea of the paramilities busting in the back door before anyone knew what was going on; the situation in Brytene just might redeem my plot.

[Brytene]

Sooo....you gonna reply soon Inyursta?