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EAAT Conference in the International District (TWI, IC)

A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Vancouvia
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat May 23, 2015 12:32 pm

Shancion wrote:"The people of Shancion believe the war must never be the first choice. Althought it might be effective it brings deaths for inoccent people, and a big part of the alliance is to protect those people. That's way we would like to suggest that diplomatic and economic actions are took first. Does someone agree?"


"Aye, that would be ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world. What of human rights violations? Why should we halt our military and threaten with words and dollars when innocents are being killed and tortured?"
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Shancion
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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 12:40 pm

Vancouvia wrote:
Shancion wrote:"The people of Shancion believe the war must never be the first choice. Althought it might be effective it brings deaths for inoccent people, and a big part of the alliance is to protect those people. That's way we would like to suggest that diplomatic and economic actions are took first. Does someone agree?"


"Aye, that would be ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world. What of human rights violations? Why should we halt our military and threaten with words and dollars when innocents are being killed and tortured?"

"Mostly because we "should lie with the consent of the governed, and not with enforcement via fear, injury, or death.", isn't those consequences of war? The fear, injury and death? War may be used, but if we can at least try to solve problems by, for instance, internacional embargos, why shouldn't we?"

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 12:45 pm

"Both valid points. I believe taking those measures is very reasonable, if we can reasonably expect that no lives will be unjustly lost during that delay. Furthermore, considering your views on violence, I say that we should condemn any nation that willingly harms civilian targets, if not declare war against them. Does this seem a good compromise to the both of you?"

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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 12:51 pm

Eiralis wrote:"Both valid points. I believe taking those measures is very reasonable, if we can reasonably expect that no lives will be unjustly lost during that delay. Furthermore, considering your views on violence, I say that we should condemn any nation that willingly harms civilian targets, if not declare war against them. Does this seem a good compromise to the both of you?"

"We agree"

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 12:55 pm

"Very well. Vancouvia?"

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Vancouvia
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat May 23, 2015 1:11 pm

"We deem the nature of the conflict should determine the response. If citizens are being killed, tortured, or otherwise inhumanely discriminated against, it is in Vancouvia's interests to act immediately with concurrent sanctions. If the nature of the conflict is less extreme, then economic sanctions should be used until any escalation on their behalf takes place."

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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 1:16 pm

Vancouvia wrote:"We deem the nature of the conflict should determine the response. If citizens are being killed, tortured, or otherwise inhumanely discriminated against, it is in Vancouvia's interests to act immediately with concurrent sanctions. If the nature of the conflict is less extreme, then economic sanctions should be used until any escalation on their behalf takes place."

"So we pre-define what would be critical situations or do you think it's better to vote in the time? If we vote to choose in time I think it's better to create a rule to determines what would happen to a member who goes against the decision that has been taken"

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 1:26 pm

In our goal of preventing unneeded violence, we shall avoid military action against a nation unless human beings are at immediate risk of death or suffering. In times where a significant doubt as to what action should be taken is apparent, each member nation shall put forward a vote; said vote may be cut short after a majority of nations have voted, if time is of the essence.


Nations which knowingly and willingly harm civilian targets, or execute civilians without fair trial, shall be declared enemies of the EAAT, and against human dignity itself. Military action shall be taken against them immediately.


"And what do we all think of these? A bit rough, to be sure, but usable."

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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 1:40 pm

Eiralis wrote:
In our goal of preventing unneeded violence, we shall avoid military action against a nation unless human beings are at immediate risk of death or suffering. In times where a significant doubt as to what action should be taken is apparent, each member nation shall put forward a vote; said vote may be cut short after a majority of nations have voted, if time is of the essence.


Nations which knowingly and willingly harm civilian targets, or execute civilians without fair trial, shall be declared enemies of the EAAT, and against human dignity itself. Military action shall be taken against them immediately.


"And what do we all think of these? A bit rough, to be sure, but usable."


"What I was imagining was something more to the lines like:"

Any member can acuse a country of breaking the human rights. After the alliance takes it time to debate about the matter, an election will happen to decide what action will be taken by the nations. A member who goes against the decision or simply don't follow will... (consequences)"

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 1:52 pm

After a government accused of violating human rights has been sufficiently investigated, member states may vote on whether or not to take military action against them or be limited to diplomatic measures, unless innocent lives will be lost in the time it takes to reach a decision.


"I think this to be a more than decent compromise."

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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 2:01 pm

Eiralis wrote:
After a government accused of violating human rights has been sufficiently investigated, member states may vote on whether or not to take military action against them or be limited to diplomatic measures, unless innocent lives will be lost in the time it takes to reach a decision.


"I think this to be a more than decent compromise."

"Looks good to me"

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 2:06 pm

"We'll wait for a few more opinions before adding it. Any other suggestions?"

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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 2:20 pm

Eiralis wrote:"We'll wait for a few more opinions before adding it. Any other suggestions?"


"I believe it's important to state how a nation can contribute and think how it would be organized the alliance in subjects like voting."

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Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova
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Postby Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova » Sat May 23, 2015 2:31 pm

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Who the F** sent an intern to this?! *shouting* OK, i don't care WHO F***ED up, Just give me a live feed to the conferrence!

Pierré Dulamont-"Hello gentlemen, Nice to see you again!" *sighs* i'm sorry for our incompetent delegate!"
Last edited by Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova on Sat May 23, 2015 2:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
This nation does MOSTLY represent SOME of my political views.
“Fortitudo et unitatem et diversitatem a voluntate popul” (Fortune and unity, trough the will and strength of the people)
I like retro-futurism, do you?
I enjoy waking up in the morning and NOT being greeted by 400 messages on the RMB/Forum, 200 are more than enough!
this is way better than the last quote, thanks!!!
Dumbest post of the week goes to *insert joke about Estovnia being a mongolid neanderthal here*
For:
Social democracy (and democratic socialism), freedom of speech, democracy gun-control, soft drugs, secularism, rights for ALL, two-state solution

Against:
UNREGULATED capitalism, planned economy, eastern-bloc socialism, extremism/fanatism, fascism, discrimination

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 2:39 pm

Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova wrote:
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Who the F** sent an intern to this?! *shouting* OK, give me a live feed to the conferrenc!

Pierré Dulamont-"Hello gentlemen, Nice to see you again!" *sighs* i'm sorry for our incompetent delegate!"


"A welcome back for our hopefully more knowledgeable delegate from Segentova. Now, does anyone have any more opinions before we add this to the draft? And Shancion, kindly elaborate on what you mean."

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Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova
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Postby Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova » Sat May 23, 2015 2:41 pm

Eiralis wrote:
Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova wrote:
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Who the F** sent an intern to this?! *shouting* OK, give me a live feed to the conferrenc!

Pierré Dulamont-"Hello gentlemen, Nice to see you again!" *sighs* i'm sorry for our incompetent delegate!"


"A welcome back for our hopefully more knowledgeable delegate from Segentova. Now, does anyone have any more opinions before we add this to the draft? And Shancion, kindly elaborate on what you mean."

Could i see the current draft for a second?
This nation does MOSTLY represent SOME of my political views.
“Fortitudo et unitatem et diversitatem a voluntate popul” (Fortune and unity, trough the will and strength of the people)
I like retro-futurism, do you?
I enjoy waking up in the morning and NOT being greeted by 400 messages on the RMB/Forum, 200 are more than enough!
this is way better than the last quote, thanks!!!
Dumbest post of the week goes to *insert joke about Estovnia being a mongolid neanderthal here*
For:
Social democracy (and democratic socialism), freedom of speech, democracy gun-control, soft drugs, secularism, rights for ALL, two-state solution

Against:
UNREGULATED capitalism, planned economy, eastern-bloc socialism, extremism/fanatism, fascism, discrimination

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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 2:42 pm

OOC: Segentova, please read the first post.

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Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova
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Postby Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova » Sat May 23, 2015 2:46 pm

Eiralis wrote:OOC: Segentova, please read the first post.

"This seems like an overall well tought-out draft! BUT we will NOT withdraw humnitarian aid currently present cooperating with such governments, referring to Bhumidol."
This nation does MOSTLY represent SOME of my political views.
“Fortitudo et unitatem et diversitatem a voluntate popul” (Fortune and unity, trough the will and strength of the people)
I like retro-futurism, do you?
I enjoy waking up in the morning and NOT being greeted by 400 messages on the RMB/Forum, 200 are more than enough!
this is way better than the last quote, thanks!!!
Dumbest post of the week goes to *insert joke about Estovnia being a mongolid neanderthal here*
For:
Social democracy (and democratic socialism), freedom of speech, democracy gun-control, soft drugs, secularism, rights for ALL, two-state solution

Against:
UNREGULATED capitalism, planned economy, eastern-bloc socialism, extremism/fanatism, fascism, discrimination

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Eiralis
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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 2:49 pm

Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova wrote:"This seems like an overall well tought-out draft! BUT we will NOT withdraw humnitarian aid currently present cooperating with such governments, referring to Bhumidol."


"We have no issue with providing humanitarian aid to civilians, but your cooperation with the Aapelistanians is... concerning. Regardless, that is not a conversation for now."

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Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova
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Postby Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova » Sat May 23, 2015 2:52 pm

Eiralis wrote:
Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova wrote:"This seems like an overall well tought-out draft! BUT we will NOT withdraw humnitarian aid currently present cooperating with such governments, referring to Bhumidol."


"We have no issue with providing humanitarian aid to civilians, but your cooperation with the Aapelistanians is... concerning. Regardless, that is not a conversation for now."

Well, we can discuss that later. We definitley show support for the alliance. but as matter go we will mstly take part diplomatically, as we'd like to stay rather neutral..."
This nation does MOSTLY represent SOME of my political views.
“Fortitudo et unitatem et diversitatem a voluntate popul” (Fortune and unity, trough the will and strength of the people)
I like retro-futurism, do you?
I enjoy waking up in the morning and NOT being greeted by 400 messages on the RMB/Forum, 200 are more than enough!
this is way better than the last quote, thanks!!!
Dumbest post of the week goes to *insert joke about Estovnia being a mongolid neanderthal here*
For:
Social democracy (and democratic socialism), freedom of speech, democracy gun-control, soft drugs, secularism, rights for ALL, two-state solution

Against:
UNREGULATED capitalism, planned economy, eastern-bloc socialism, extremism/fanatism, fascism, discrimination

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Eiralis
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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 2:57 pm

"If the Shancoinian delegation would like to continue - uninterrupted?"

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Shancion
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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 3:05 pm

"The first thing that I meat was to "declare", I do't think it's the best word, how they can contribue with the efforts of the alliance, for example by sending troops."

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Shancion
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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 3:08 pm

"and how the administrative body would be organized, or if there wouldn't be an administrative body, how things like election would happen." OOC.: sorry I went finish the SIAP factbook and get myself ready to get out.

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Eiralis
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Postby Eiralis » Sat May 23, 2015 3:11 pm

Shancion wrote:"The first thing that I meat was to "declare", I do't think it's the best word, how they can contribue with the efforts of the alliance, for example by sending troops."


"I'll append the first section of the principles to cover that. Thank you."

Shancion wrote:"and how the administrative body would be organized, or if there wouldn't be an administrative body, how things like election would happen." OOC.: sorry I went finish the SIAP factbook and get myself ready to get out.


"We are not creating an independent organisation; this is a coalition of nations. While my state would preside over votes and the like, being the founder of this alliance, each country retains its autonomy, and no new specific body is created."

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Shancion
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Postby Shancion » Sat May 23, 2015 3:15 pm

Eiralis wrote:
Shancion wrote:"The first thing that I meat was to "declare", I do't think it's the best word, how they can contribue with the efforts of the alliance, for example by sending troops."


"I'll append the first section of the principles to cover that. Thank you."

Shancion wrote:"and how the administrative body would be organized, or if there wouldn't be an administrative body, how things like election would happen." OOC.: sorry I went finish the SIAP factbook and get myself ready to get out.


"We are not creating an independent organisation; this is a coalition of nations. While my state would preside over votes and the like, being the founder of this alliance, each country retains its autonomy, and no new specific body is created."

"So i think the fact that you will organize everythiing should be in the "rules"."

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