NationStates

1. The most important implication of this is that Uju will not see 90% of its population wiped out from disease and conquest.
   
   
   1. Diseases which originated from outside of Uju will have a fairly easy time reaching Uju, meaning that Ujun societies would have time to develop resistance to these diseases over a long period of time, like societies in Afro-Eurasia IRL, and not have to deal with having every single deadly disease imaginable simultaneously introduced to them at the same time.
      
   2. There is now the potential for deadly diseases to arise in Uju and then spread to continents such as Jungju and Yoju. However, they would be just another disease that societies would develop resistance to over time such as smallpox and measles. The populations of other continents would not be wiped out by these diseases in the same way that societies in Uju will not be wiped out from diseases from other continents.
2. Uju will have domesticated animals such as horses, camels, pigs, and cows. Aside from disease, this has several important implications as Ujun societies will have a secondary products revolution. They now have animals to plow the fields, provide fertilizer, serve as transportation, serve as pack animals, and provide things like dairy products and wool. This also has several important implications.
   
   
   1. Uju will historically have been able to support a much larger population.
      
   2. Uju would have had larger, more powerful, and more centralized states. Imagine major civilizations as not the Aztecs or the Inca, but rather China, India, and Europe.
      
      
      1. There is the potential for indigenous religions to exist on a large-scale in Uju, and for religions that emerge in Uju to become major world religions.
   3. Pastoral societies are now possible in Uju. Imagine people like the Sioux IRL taking a position similar to the Mongols or other pastoral peoples of the Eurasian steppe.
      
   4. Ujun societies would not be as reliant upon human labor--human sacrifice may not exist later on to the extent in which it did in IRL Mesoamerica?
3. Crops such as maize, cassava, and potatoes would have spread to the rest of the world long before the early modern era.
   
   
   1. In addition to Uju being able to support a much larger population, the rest of the world would also have been able to do as well.

ArUmdAUM wrote:Bump?

Samanohuwa wrote:I guess posting here to increase activity and attention is a thing, then. I plan on doing some posts here and there on F&NI to do some simple worldbuilding to start with, any suggestions as to threads?

Arumdaum wrote:Started working on map again.

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Samano2wa wrote:Hello? I was told this was the grave digger's guild.

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Scandinavia wrote:

Samano2wa wrote:Hello? I was told this was the grave digger's guild.

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Arumdaum wrote:RE: Socialism, philosophy, etc.

Dominant philosophies and ideologies in Tiandi will have fairly different roots from the ones which dominate Earth. The impetus for the development of modern socialist thought in Tiandi will be without a doubt the industrial revolution. However, this will draw back on previous philosophical traditions.

While it may seem easy to simply replace socialism with Mohism or Agriculturalism, neither of these philosophies were meant to deal with the rapid changes and constant disruption which came with industrialization and capitalism. Any new schools of thought would be their own--more than just Mohism or Agriculturalism. Thinkers from these new schools of thought would in addition draw ideas not only from ancient philosophers but also more contemporaneous philosophers. Philosophers would be more influenced by their contemporaries and the society in which they live rather than by ancient philosophers who lived in wildly different societies and times, although ancient philosophers would still be influential.

We had a player here who said that his nation was Daoist because that seemed the most natural for free trade--we should remember, however, that Tiandi is not simply 17th-century East Asia with 21st-century technology, and furthermore, we should get beyond the Western stereotype that East Asian societies are impervious to change. We should also remember that religion in East Asia was historically syncretic and that people drew their beliefs from several differing traditions rather than just one.

In Tiandi, Confucian philosophy became dominant throughout Sinju, but Confucianism existed alongside other belief systems such as Buddhism and Taoism. Unlike many people have assumed, this does not mean that Confucianism completely dominates Sinju and the world today, and that everyone is a hardcore Confucian. I've generally imagined Confucianism in the Center taking a role somewhat akin to Christianity in the West (with obvious differences, considering Confucianism isn't a religion)--present and heavily influential, but no longer a dominant force in society. Several aspects of Confucian ideology, such as the disregard for merchants, would be weakened as Sinju becomes increasingly capitalistic.

Furthermore, Confucianism in Tiandi would be different from Confucianism IRL. We have to reconsider a few things: considering Sinju and Tianqi's maritime geography, would there have been the same disregard for merchants? Belief systems cannot be imported wholesale into Tiandi, and must be melded in order to both make sense and fit in regional canon. This doesn't mean everyone has to make con-religions and con-philosophies, but it means that Jesus can't be born in Bethlehem and executed by the Romans (neither Bethlehem nor the Romans exist here).

There are a few things, though, I'd like to preserve from RL East Asia. First is the lack of strong, organized religion and the dominance of a secular scholar-gentry class. Another is the syncretism that was present heavily in East Asia, with Buddhism, Taoism, and indigenous beliefs such as Muism in Korea or Shinto in Japan all melding together.

Thoughts?