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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:07 pm

Zangsabaar wrote:One thing I wanted to bring up was religion. IRL, the most influential and organized religions in the world are Abrahamic, with Dharmic (or, Indian) religions being a distant second place. Historically, as soon as Christianity was adopted in the European world, it pushed out pagan religions with a few centuries and underwent many splits and reformations. Similarly, Islam's influence in Eastern Europe, Iberia, North Africa and Arabia (which was one of the more advanced parts of the world prior to Mongol conquest and crusades), also lead to Islam becoming an extremely influential force. Through merchant trade, Islam expanded down the Swahili coast, through India and to Indonesia. Through colonialism, Christianity spread throughout the world. Buddhism, on the other hand, was spread through religious teachings and mostly remained localized in South Asia, Central Asia, East Asia (where it merged and adapted to spirituality) and Southeast Asia (where it replaced Hinduism). Hinduism historically spread but now is almost solely concentrated in and around India.

Basically, I think that in Tiandi the South Asian religions would play the role of Abrahamic religions. Instead of originating in a place of power, they grew to dominate another area on its periphery (in this case Jungju instead of the Middle East) and spread into the centre of power, largely merging with and displacing native religions (in Sinju instead of Europe). This would allow for these religions to be fundamentally altered from the culture of origin (think about how different Assyrian and Palestinian Orthodox Christians are from American Protestants) and internalized, to be spread through colonialism.

Furthermore, other south asian religions could take the place of Islam, with it being spread mostly to less-developed regions (like Miju and Gungju) through trade and merchants, combined with converting local kingdoms to spread prior to colonialism. This would likely mean places like Gungju may retain pagan religions, much like how India IRL retained Hinduism.

What do you guys think?

I don't think it's necessary for organized and evangelical religion to be a force in Tiandi, nor do I think that any such religions are somehow more indicative advancement or development. In fact, I thought that religion taking a backseat in sociopolitical and cultural affairs would be one of the major changes from a Western-dominated to an East Asian-dominated world order. I don't think East Asia had ever seen a major religious conflict prior to the Opium Wars.

This actually makes me interested in how freedom of religion would be seen in Tiandi; the idea of freedom of religion developed in the West due to constant conflicts and bickering over differing religious beliefs. However, in East Asia, differing religious traditions largely blended into one another, and religious organizations were generally seen as a threat to the state if they got too powerful. Would modern governments have tried to stamp out various religious ideas it saw as outdated, such as those regarding the creation of the world?

I would prefer if religions and religious organizations were historically suppressed if they were seen as too powerful, as that is what happened IRL. I still think Buddhism should have spread from the South Asia area (which is Southern Yoju, haha) into Sinju. While Sinju states would not have attempted to spread these religions, and people attempting to spread religions like Buddhism would not find much support from their governments, I think that individual colonists or small groups may have attempted to spread these religions.

In regards to religion, I think for the most part it should be up to the player, as long as it works with canon. I honestly think it's a lot of fun having Christian terrorists we call "crusaders" from Gungju, and would love to keep that, as I'm sure others would as well.
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Postby Victoriala » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:56 am

After my last visit on the IRC me and arum agreed to hand Nomyo over to him

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Postby Arumdaum » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:01 am

Victoriala wrote:After my last visit on the IRC me and arum agreed to hand Nomyo over to him

I'll be on a Tiandi Hiatus so I could focus on my off NS shit

Hope all goes well on whatever's busying you up IRL. :)

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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:34 pm

1733 - 1736 WAR

SIDE 1:

Jeongmi
Akitsukuni

SIDE 2:

Meisaan
Zaihan

CAUSE: DEVELOP CANON

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Postby Sabara » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:14 pm

Arumdaum wrote:1733 - 1736 WAR

SIDE 1:

Jeongmi
Akitsukuni

SIDE 2:

Meisaan
Zaihan

CAUSE: DEVELOP CANON

Who wants to join? Should others join? Pls provide input

What about

Side 1:

Jeongmi
Zaihan

Side 2:

Akitsukuni
Meisaan
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:18 pm

Sabara wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:1733 - 1736 WAR

SIDE 1:

Jeongmi
Akitsukuni

SIDE 2:

Meisaan
Zaihan

CAUSE: DEVELOP CANON

Who wants to join? Should others join? Pls provide input

What about

Side 1:

Jeongmi
Zaihan

Side 2:

Akitsukuni
Meisaan

lol we should have both at different times
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Postby Sabara » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:20 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Sabara wrote:What about

Side 1:

Jeongmi
Zaihan

Side 2:

Akitsukuni
Meisaan

lol we should have both at different times

yeah, we should also have jeong+mei vs. aki+zai
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Postby Nam Long » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:30 pm

Arumdaum wrote:1733 - 1736 WAR

SIDE 1:

Jeongmi
Akitsukuni

SIDE 2:

Meisaan
Zaihan

CAUSE: DEVELOP CANON

Who wants to join? Should others join? Pls provide input

I have no idea why the hell you guys are fighting. So, summary?
Got to have some history for Nam Long with other people in this region.

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Postby Sabara » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:31 pm

Nam Long wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:1733 - 1736 WAR

SIDE 1:

Jeongmi
Akitsukuni

SIDE 2:

Meisaan
Zaihan

CAUSE: DEVELOP CANON

Who wants to join? Should others join? Pls provide input

I have no idea why the hell you guys are fighting. So, summary?
Got to have some history for Nam Long with other people in this region.

RVN you should join chat!
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:11 pm

Nam Long wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:1733 - 1736 WAR

SIDE 1:

Jeongmi
Akitsukuni

SIDE 2:

Meisaan
Zaihan

CAUSE: DEVELOP CANON

Who wants to join? Should others join? Pls provide input

I have no idea why the hell you guys are fighting. So, summary?
Got to have some history for Nam Long with other people in this region.

No idea I just want to fight people

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And yes, what sab said lol
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Postby Intermountain States » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:13 pm

Maybe simething in Uju?
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:46 pm

Intermountain States wrote:Maybe simething in Uju?

Lol Hae want me to construct a neighbor for you to play with
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Postby Sabara » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Intermountain States wrote:Maybe simething in Uju?

Lol Hae want me to construct a neighbor for you to play with

Nochtlico and Haeseon should border!
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Postby Daeseong » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:46 pm

We should have trench warfare.

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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:07 pm

Can Bedem rescue some Jeongmian pilots during Eulhae
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Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Can Bedem rescue some Jeongmian pilots during Eulhae

Lol yeah sure that's fine
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Postby Toishima » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:30 pm

After discussion, we have decided to uphold a ban on chemical and biological weapons.

Essentially, chemical and biological weapons, except minor ones like tear gas and pepper spray, are banned and nations which openly display them or use them in warfare are likely to face major repercussions. Most great powers would have begun destroying such weapons already since perhaps the mid-90s. Akitsukuni began destroying their chemical stockpile in 1997.

Of course, nothing is stopping nations from attempting to keep such weapons and their uses secret, but if found out heavy consequences will follow.
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Postby Zangsabaar » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:23 pm

Toishima wrote:After discussion, we have decided to uphold a ban on chemical and biological weapons.

Essentially, chemical and biological weapons, except minor ones like tear gas and pepper spray, are banned and nations which openly display them or use them in warfare are likely to face major repercussions. Most great powers would have begun destroying such weapons already since perhaps the mid-90s. Akitsukuni began destroying their chemical stockpile in 1997.

Of course, nothing is stopping nations from attempting to keep such weapons and their uses secret, but if found out heavy consequences will follow.


Do we also employ nuclear non-proliferation?
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Zangsabaar wrote:
Toishima wrote:After discussion, we have decided to uphold a ban on chemical and biological weapons.

Essentially, chemical and biological weapons, except minor ones like tear gas and pepper spray, are banned and nations which openly display them or use them in warfare are likely to face major repercussions. Most great powers would have begun destroying such weapons already since perhaps the mid-90s. Akitsukuni began destroying their chemical stockpile in 1997.

Of course, nothing is stopping nations from attempting to keep such weapons and their uses secret, but if found out heavy consequences will follow.


Do we also employ nuclear non-proliferation?

Yes, definitely.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:03 am

1819 - 1941: Qichwa is a Meisaani colony following the X Meisaani-Qichwan War.

In 1932, Coniraya Anta founds the Independence Front of Qichwa. In 1941, following the conclusion of the Eulhae War, Coniraya declares independence for Qichwa. Meisaan insists that Qichwa is still a Meisaani territory, and most countries do not recognize the independence of Qichwa. Support from international communist movements results in Coniraya and various other Qichwan independence leaders to be drawn towards the ideology. Meisaan sends troops to crush the independence activists, which only results in the start of a ruthless guerilla war. A peace agreement in 1948 divides Qichwa into East Qichwa, run by Coniraya and the Independence Front, and West Qichwa, which was run by the Sapa Inka.

Both East and West Qichwa claim to be the sole authority over all of Qichwa. The division is not meant to be permanent, however - elections are slated for the following year, but are stopped by Sapa Inka and Jeongmi in the fear that elections would result in a victory for Coniraya and the Independence Front.

Jeongmi is keen on reducing communist influence in Cheongju and Uju, although Uju in particular, but is also wary of Cheongju/Uju nationalist movements and the threat they pose towards Sinju capital (perhaps nationalization, seizure of Sinju-owned assets, etc. in general.

Golden Earth Inc., a large Jeongmian mining firm with interests in Qichwa, along with several other companies lobby for the government to protect Jeongmian and Jeongmian citizens' and businesses' interests in North Cheongju. In late 1949, Jeongmi begins to send advisors to West Qichwa.

Early next year, East Qichwa nationalizes all major industries and businesses, resulting in several Qichwans and Qichwan-born ethnic Meisaanis fleeing the country, although not as many as had crossed the border during the initial division. Ensuing violence in the country results in a few Jeongmian citizens being killed, and Jeongmi promises to offer assistance to those that have seen persecution.

The West Qichwan government is not particularly popular among those in the lower class, who see Coniraya as as a hero of independence and the Sapa Inka (who dresses in Central clothing, received a Central education) as a Centralized puppet of Sinju. Organizations form in West Qichwa to bring down the Sapa Inka and reunify the country under the Independence Front.

In 1952, the Jeongmian government fabricates an attack on a Jeongmian warship in international waters near East Qichwa, inflaming tensions.

then basically vietnam war

what are your guys' thoughts? esp. to sab since he's involved in this, parhe since he's pretty close to it, and aki bc she's everywhere
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Postby Daeseong » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:55 am

It sounds good. And after, I assume Jeongmi gets trapped in a brutal slog of a guerilla war?

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Postby Luzhou » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:02 am

I'm trying to figure out when Luzhou should first have been colonised. I'm thinking sometime between 1780 - 1820? Then we would have gained independence between 1955 - 1965.

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Postby Toishima » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:16 am

Ahhhh, if only the Qichwans were not communists.

It's now a toss-up between if Akitsukuni hated Jeongmi and Meisaan more or Communists more, and at that time period it was the communists thanks to Okabe and the failed revolution in the 50s. However, I'm sure Akitsukunese weapons and materiel would have somehow found their way into East Qichwa.

Because of the Tripolar World we have here (Sinju/Akitsukuni/Communists) I don't think Akitsukuni can get involved here at all, or has any reason to disrupt two of their enemies fighting.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:37 am

Daeseong wrote:It sounds good. And after, I assume Jeongmi gets trapped in a brutal slog of a guerilla war?

Yeah, that's what I plan on happening. :D
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