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Postby Arumdaum » Thu May 05, 2016 2:04 am

Creating a basic overview of canon for new players.

Homo sapiens originated in Tiandi roughly 200,000 years ago, on the continent of Miju (African continent). From there, they expanded to colonize all the major landmasses of Tiandi, and had managed to displace and then replace all other human species.

Following the end of the last glacial period c. 12,000 years ago, cereal grasses began to flourish and many humans began to gradually settle down as they began to farm. Some areas domesticated animals and became pastoral societies, although many people remained as hunting-gathering societies. In some areas where food was relatively abundant and easy to obtain, hunting-gathering peoples settled down and established sedentary societies, although retaining their mode of economic production. Sedentary societies and agriculture allowed for the accumulation of wealth, the specialization of labor, and for stratified societies. Large domesticated mammals allowed for a secondary products revolution, but also for the crossover and spread of deadly diseases such as smallpox, measles, and influenza originally not present among humans.

Agriculture developed independently in several areas of the world, such as Cheongju (South American continent), southwestern Uju (North American continent), Jungju (East & Southeast Asian continent), Yoju (Middle Eastern, North/South/Central Asian continent), and some others. Human migration and trade resulted in the diffusion of crops, animals, diseases, technology, and culture, though some areas of the world remained geographically isolated from the rest of it.

Beginning in the 1400s, various countries in Sinju (the East Asian portion of Jungju) began to explore the world and take over various areas in order to secure trade routes and wealth, in competition with other Sinju nations. These states included Jeongmi (Korean), Meisaan (Cantonese/HK/Guangdong), Akitsukuni (Japanese), Nomyokuni (fictional culture, Chinese & Japanese blend), and others (Hokkien, Hakka, Fuzhouese, Shanghainese, Jeju, North Chinese, etc.).

In the 1700s, the industrial revolution began in Jeongmi, and Sinju powers or settler colonies virtually all of Tiandi by the 20th century. These nations significantly altered the political, economic, linguistic, and cultural aspects of these nations. The resources of these nations were siphoned off to Sinju, and goods from Sinju flooded markets in the colonies, resulting in a huge gap in the wealth between the imperial powers and their subjects, and a huge technological and economic boom that has been largely sustained to the present.

The 1930s and 40s saw a massive world war called the Eulhae War, in which nations such as Jeongmi and Meisaan prevailed over Akitsukuni. The heavy destruction wrought upon Sinju resulted in stronger calls for independence among colonies and a large inability to retain them, resulting in the independence of virtually all colonies in the following decades. Although independent, Sinju nations retained a significant amount of control and influence over them through global institutions such as the World Bank, through military interventions, Central (E. Asian & E. Asian cultured) dominated global media, and business ties.

Th largest of these empires was that of Jeongmi's - the global presence of both its empire and its settler colonies meant that Korean has become the lingua franca of the modern world.

In the following decades, non-Sinju nations have been quickly catching up in terms of wealth and power, and Central political, military, and economic dominance have eased somewhat. The current geopolitical situation pits wealthy liberal democracies, led largely by the Sinju Union, against authoritarian capitalist nations somewhat, though ties are heavy and they grow increasingly interconnected through trade, media, and immigration.
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Postby Daeseong » Thu May 05, 2016 11:41 am

First three paragraphs seem superfluous, imo. If they want to learn more about early/classical history, they can join the region and ask/read our iiwikis.

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Postby Arumdaum » Thu May 05, 2016 7:21 pm

Should we have a separate thread where we display and discuss canon?

For example, we'd have sections describing the main religions of Tiandi, geopolitics, what certain acronyms stand for, explanations of continents' general cultures, etc.
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Postby Daeseong » Thu May 05, 2016 7:26 pm

Arumdaum wrote:Should we have a separate thread where we display and discuss canon?

For example, we'd have sections describing the main religions of Tiandi, geopolitics, what certain acronyms stand for, explanations of continents' general cultures, etc.

If we do something like this, we should use the Tiandi account so we can all contribute.

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Postby Arumdaum » Fri May 06, 2016 12:42 am

>875 TGs sent so far...

0 apps presented from these nations... :'(

Perhaps new players are more willing open TGs?
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Postby Toishima » Fri May 06, 2016 4:48 am

No, we don't need a second "canon thread" because that's what the IRC and this thread are for. It's also what the Tiandi IIwiki page could be used for as well, in terms of "displaying".

I've booked out (gotten home) for the week. Will try my hand at making a canon intro thingy for the OP, for your considerations.
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Postby Rantaune » Sat May 07, 2016 12:11 pm

We do not need a 'canon discussion thread'

But it would help say, doing small blurbs on major Sinju powers, major non-sinju powers, recent + colonial history on the OP of the application thread. This was voiced by Aki and Dae a page before but I think this is a good idea.
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Postby Victoriala » Sat May 07, 2016 10:58 pm

Has anyone had a map of the colonial powers at its height
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Victoriala wrote:Has anyone had a map of the colonial powers at its height

We don't have such a map, and I don't think making such a map would be good; people would just argue over where and how much they want to colonize, and we'd have to adjust it every time someone new joins.

Jeongmi's should be the largest by far, though.
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Postby Victoriala » Sun May 08, 2016 3:49 am

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Victoriala wrote:Has anyone had a map of the colonial powers at its height

We don't have such a map, and I don't think making such a map would be good; people would just argue over where and how much they want to colonize, and we'd have to adjust it every time someone new joins.

Jeongmi's should be the largest by far, though.

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Postby Arumdaum » Sun May 08, 2016 3:58 am

Victoriala wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:We don't have such a map, and I don't think making such a map would be good; people would just argue over where and how much they want to colonize, and we'd have to adjust it every time someone new joins.

Jeongmi's should be the largest by far, though.

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also for the TGs... I'm just hoping for 1 out of every 10,000 TGs now to be successful

I recommend us posting more here though; it gives us more publicity and allows more people to find out about our region.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun May 08, 2016 8:33 am

I think we should refer to the nations of Sinju and its settler colonies as "Central nations" with "Central culture," in the same way that European nations and its settler colonies such as the US and Australia are referred to as "Western nations" that have "Western culture."

Nations that are not Central can be referred to as Outer, perhaps.

I actually intentionally placed Sinju in the upper central portion of the map, and shaped the rest of the map so that Sinju's central location can be emphasized geographically (e.g. Sinju is right smack in the middle of Yoju and Uju). You can notice that the map is somewhat symmetrical. I also intentionally placed Jeongmi so that the exact center of the upper half of the map would be there. :p

Sinju is seen as the center of not only civilization but the world, and its location near the top of the map shows that it is not only metaphorically but literally above the rest of the world (though obviously it is not at the uppermost extremity of the map).

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Postby Cresadine » Sun May 08, 2016 8:46 am

Arumdaum wrote:I think we should refer to the nations of Sinju and its settler colonies as "Central nations" with "Central culture," in the same way that European nations and its settler colonies such as the US and Australia are referred to as "Western nations" that have "Western culture."

Nations that are not Central can be referred to as Outer, perhaps.

I actually intentionally placed Sinju in the upper central portion of the map, and shaped the rest of the map so that Sinju's central location can be emphasized geographically (e.g. Sinju is right smack in the middle of Yoju and Uju). You can notice that the map is somewhat symmetrical. I also intentionally placed Jeongmi so that the exact center of the upper half of the map would be there. :p

Sinju is seen as the center of not only civilization but the world, and its location near the top of the map shows that it is not only metaphorically but literally above the rest of the world (though obviously it is not at the uppermost extremity of the map).

Sinjucentrism.


I agree with this. "Outer nations" seems like a good term to refer to the rest of the world.


If we do create a map showing colonial powers, remember to indicate that Qo'yyen had a colony then lost it to Jeongmi, perhaps by slashing it with the colours of Qo'yyen and Jeongmi.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun May 08, 2016 8:57 am

Also, everyone should probably already know this, but not everything on the news thread will always be considered canon for various reasons (e.g. Zhouran).
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Postby Cresadine » Sun May 08, 2016 9:07 am

Arumdaum wrote:Also, everyone should probably already know this, but not everything on the news thread will always be considered canon for various reasons (e.g. Zhouran).

Zhouran?
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun May 08, 2016 9:08 am

Cresadine wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Also, everyone should probably already know this, but not everything on the news thread will always be considered canon for various reasons (e.g. Zhouran).

Zhouran?

One of our older regionmates, haha. He's not part of the region anymore, but his posts remain in the news thread. Canon has also changed from when we made earlier posts.
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Postby Cresadine » Sun May 08, 2016 9:09 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Cresadine wrote:Zhouran?

One of our older regionmates, haha. He's not part of the region anymore, but his posts remain in the news thread. Canon has also changed from when we made earlier posts.

Ahh ok.
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Postby Daeseong » Sun May 08, 2016 12:29 pm

Arumdaum wrote:I think we should refer to the nations of Sinju and its settler colonies as "Central nations" with "Central culture," in the same way that European nations and its settler colonies such as the US and Australia are referred to as "Western nations" that have "Western culture."

Nations that are not Central can be referred to as Outer, perhaps.

I actually intentionally placed Sinju in the upper central portion of the map, and shaped the rest of the map so that Sinju's central location can be emphasized geographically (e.g. Sinju is right smack in the middle of Yoju and Uju). You can notice that the map is somewhat symmetrical. I also intentionally placed Jeongmi so that the exact center of the upper half of the map would be there. :p

Sinju is seen as the center of not only civilization but the world, and its location near the top of the map shows that it is not only metaphorically but literally above the rest of the world (though obviously it is not at the uppermost extremity of the map).

Sinjucentrism.

I broadly agree. Time to combat vile Centralism, then XD

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Postby Arumdaum » Sun May 08, 2016 11:00 pm

Daeseong wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:I think we should refer to the nations of Sinju and its settler colonies as "Central nations" with "Central culture," in the same way that European nations and its settler colonies such as the US and Australia are referred to as "Western nations" that have "Western culture."

Nations that are not Central can be referred to as Outer, perhaps.

I actually intentionally placed Sinju in the upper central portion of the map, and shaped the rest of the map so that Sinju's central location can be emphasized geographically (e.g. Sinju is right smack in the middle of Yoju and Uju). You can notice that the map is somewhat symmetrical. I also intentionally placed Jeongmi so that the exact center of the upper half of the map would be there. :p

Sinju is seen as the center of not only civilization but the world, and its location near the top of the map shows that it is not only metaphorically but literally above the rest of the world (though obviously it is not at the uppermost extremity of the map).

Sinjucentrism.

I broadly agree. Time to combat vile Centralism, then XD

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Postby Tamsien » Sun May 08, 2016 11:06 pm

Daeseong wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:I think we should refer to the nations of Sinju and its settler colonies as "Central nations" with "Central culture," in the same way that European nations and its settler colonies such as the US and Australia are referred to as "Western nations" that have "Western culture."

Nations that are not Central can be referred to as Outer, perhaps.

I actually intentionally placed Sinju in the upper central portion of the map, and shaped the rest of the map so that Sinju's central location can be emphasized geographically (e.g. Sinju is right smack in the middle of Yoju and Uju). You can notice that the map is somewhat symmetrical. I also intentionally placed Jeongmi so that the exact center of the upper half of the map would be there. :p

Sinju is seen as the center of not only civilization but the world, and its location near the top of the map shows that it is not only metaphorically but literally above the rest of the world (though obviously it is not at the uppermost extremity of the map).

Sinjucentrism.

I broadly agree. Time to combat vile Centralism, then XD

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Arumdaum wrote:I think we should refer to the nations of Sinju and its settler colonies as "Central nations" with "Central culture," in the same way that European nations and its settler colonies such as the US and Australia are referred to as "Western nations" that have "Western culture."

Nations that are not Central can be referred to as Outer, perhaps.

I actually intentionally placed Sinju in the upper central portion of the map, and shaped the rest of the map so that Sinju's central location can be emphasized geographically (e.g. Sinju is right smack in the middle of Yoju and Uju). You can notice that the map is somewhat symmetrical. I also intentionally placed Jeongmi so that the exact center of the upper half of the map would be there. :p

Sinju is seen as the center of not only civilization but the world, and its location near the top of the map shows that it is not only metaphorically but literally above the rest of the world (though obviously it is not at the uppermost extremity of the map).

Sinjucentrism.

North-South dynamic though...

Sinju vs Jungju rising powers....
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1274 TGs sent so far with 0% success rate.

Are you guys really against sending TGs to new nations? They're much more likely to open them, haha, while refounded nations will generally recognize them as spam.
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Arumdaum wrote:1274 TGs sent so far with 0% success rate.

Are you guys really against sending TGs to new nations? They're much more likely to open them, haha, while refounded nations will generally recognize them as spam.

It's more of compliance, cooperation, and experience if anything. Although you can if you want I guess.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun May 08, 2016 11:24 pm

I don't think Jeongmi will really be at odds with authoritarian capitalist nations so long as they are beholden to the will of capital and do not work against Jeongmian interests.

Despite all our rhetoric, we'd probably have toppled democratic nations we didn't like in the past and replaced them with authoritarian nations who would be relatively more friendly to us, and work together with authoritarian nations.

I think we'd have done things like what the US did in Haiti in the 1990s - overthrow a democratically elected leftist leader with the help of intelligence services, and then later promise to put them back in power with Jeongmian support if they agreed to revise several of their ideas with ones which are more friendly to Jeongmian interests, and then do so in a widely publicized event.

Not only would it achieve our goals of expanding our influence and wealth, but it'd also make us look like upholders and defenders of democracy.

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Postby Victoriala » Sun May 08, 2016 11:25 pm

Tamsien wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:1274 TGs sent so far with 0% success rate.

Are you guys really against sending TGs to new nations? They're much more likely to open them, haha, while refounded nations will generally recognize them as spam.

It's more of compliance, cooperation, and experience if anything. Although you can if you want I guess.

Shouldn't we be more lax on enforcing stuff here in the region? I think that's the reason why potential colonies membership has been low lately.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Tamsien » Sun May 08, 2016 11:28 pm

Victoriala wrote:
Tamsien wrote:It's more of compliance, cooperation, and experience if anything. Although you can if you want I guess.

Shouldn't we be more lax on enforcing stuff here in the region? I think that's the reason why potential colonies membership has been low lately.

Yeah.

Test it out maybe?
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