Tiandi Big Discussion Thread

[Arumdaum]

Area between North Yashima and Chousen: Sea of Akitsukuni
Area between Akitsukuni and Hasumin: Sea of Yashima

random names for any seas:
Green Sea
Blue Sea

How about names of the oceans between the continents? You only had ocean names for the northern and southern parts.

Unfortunately, I couldn't think of any for them.

[Arumdaum]

How about we use the IRL planets but just call them by their Sinic names in their Korean readings

Mercury - Suseong
Venus - Geumseong

does Tiandi make sense as a planet name idk let's ask peeps later

Mars - Hwaseong
Jupiter - Mokseong
Saturn - Toseong

the names for Uranus and Neptune are weird and influenced by Greco-Roman mythology so we should make up new names for those

of course i'm still up for changing our solar system if anyone else wants that

Also, for our Olympics thing

perhaps we should have it coincide with the RL Olympics so it can coincide with any RL interest we probably get during the Olympics

also it'd be a lot easier

[Arumdaum]

Sinju-wide (later global) recessions

around 1870s

around 1900s

around 1920s

around 1950s

around 1980s

around 2000s

please voice opinions

[Zangsabaar]

Sinju-wide (later global) recessions

around 1870s

around 1900s

around 1920s

around 1950s

around 1980s

around 2000s

please voice opinions

I'd say we don't need that many considering we don't have a massive globalized economy until after the Eulhae war.

I'd say
1870 (For the colonial nations, their colonies would obv. suffer too)
Post-Eulhae 1950s
And then several recessions in the 70s, and 2000s

[Zhouran]

And then several recessions in the 70s, and 2000s

- Early 1970s: Effect from an oil crisis comparable to RL 1973 oil crisis

- Early 2000s recession

[Zangsabaar]

And then several recessions in the 70s, and 2000s

- Early 1970s: Effect from an oil crisis comparable to RL 1973 oil crisis

- Early 2000s recession

Are we oil dependant in Tiandi? I was thinking perhaps a global economic power (Like a parallel soviet union) would fall (although definitely not one with a USSR Economy, one that'd affect everyone), thus causing a chain reaction. Maybe this would be an event that lead to the Sinjun Union (sp?)

[Sabara]

- Early 1970s: Effect from an oil crisis comparable to RL 1973 oil crisis

- Early 2000s recession

Are we oil dependant in Tiandi? I was thinking perhaps a global economic power (Like a parallel soviet union) would fall (although definitely not one with a USSR Economy, one that'd affect everyone), thus causing a chain reaction. Maybe this would be an event that lead to the Sinjun Union (sp?)

What kind of country do we have in Tiandi that was on the level of the USSR? I'm pretty sure Qinyue is still communist.

[Zangsabaar]

Are we oil dependant in Tiandi? I was thinking perhaps a global economic power (Like a parallel soviet union) would fall (although definitely not one with a USSR Economy, one that'd affect everyone), thus causing a chain reaction. Maybe this would be an event that lead to the Sinjun Union (sp?)

What kind of country do we have in Tiandi that was on the level of the USSR? I'm pretty sure Qinyue is still communist.

Yeah I was thinking Qinyue, but I don't think he'd be able to crash the global market (I assume he's fairly independent when it comes to trade).

I was thinking possibly Aki, Jeongmi, Meisaan, Hasu, or another power.

[Senkaku]

Are we oil dependant in Tiandi? I was thinking perhaps a global economic power (Like a parallel soviet union) would fall (although definitely not one with a USSR Economy, one that'd affect everyone), thus causing a chain reaction. Maybe this would be an event that lead to the Sinjun Union (sp?)

What kind of country do we have in Tiandi that was on the level of the USSR? I'm pretty sure Qinyue is still communist.

Yeah, Qinyue is probably similar-ish to the USSR as the foremost Communist power, but we're still around. Maybe there was a liberalization spurred by protests (a la Tiananmen, except successful) in Akitsukuni or something?

Or we could, you know, have it be something completely different.

[Arumdaum]

What kind of country do we have in Tiandi that was on the level of the USSR? I'm pretty sure Qinyue is still communist.

Yeah I was thinking Qinyue, but I don't think he'd be able to crash the global market (I assume he's fairly independent when it comes to trade).

I was thinking possibly Aki, Jeongmi, Meisaan, Hasu, or another power.

I'm a bit confused about Qinyue's status.

Qinyue is unlike China in that Qinyue would have historically been industrialized. Would its infrastructure and so on have been greatly destroyed during the Eulhae War and its revolution, with chronic mismanagement of the economy and so on ensuring that it remained screwed up for a while?

Qinyue is currently the world's third largest economy, and at least now should be rather well-integrated into the global economy. However, I'd really like to know more about the historical state of its economy, at least following the Eulhae War.

Also, for flags -

Does anyone know anything similar to flags that older East Asian nations may have had? Our current flags might be a bit too Western in style, although if everyone wants to we could easily handwave it.

[Arumdaum]

- Early 1970s: Effect from an oil crisis comparable to RL 1973 oil crisis

- Early 2000s recession

Are we oil dependant in Tiandi? I was thinking perhaps a global economic power (Like a parallel soviet union) would fall (although definitely not one with a USSR Economy, one that'd affect everyone), thus causing a chain reaction. Maybe this would be an event that lead to the Sinjun Union (sp?)

I think the major East Asian nations should be largely dependent on oil today, simply due to their large populations and the large amount of energy required to run highly advanced economies, even if they do have their own significant oil reserves.

What do you mean by a global economic power falling, though? As in, a large recession?

Regarding what Zhouran posted, though, I think we should definitely have a dotcom bubble. That seems sort of inevitable.

[Victoriala]

Yeah I was thinking Qinyue, but I don't think he'd be able to crash the global market (I assume he's fairly independent when it comes to trade).

I was thinking possibly Aki, Jeongmi, Meisaan, Hasu, or another power.

I'm a bit confused about Qinyue's status.

Qinyue is unlike China in that Qinyue would have historically been industrialized. Would its infrastructure and so on have been greatly destroyed during the Eulhae War and its revolution, with chronic mismanagement of the economy and so on ensuring that it remained screwed up for a while?

Qinyue is currently the world's third largest economy, and at least now should be rather well-integrated into the global economy. However, I'd really like to know more about the historical state of its economy, at least following the Eulhae War.

Also, for flags -

Does anyone know anything similar to flags that older East Asian nations may have had? Our current flags might be a bit too Western in style, although if everyone wants to we could easily handwave it.

I take inspiration from Vaestic flags, some of Reno's stuff Gingertom89's designs. Check em out

[Arumdaum]

I'm a bit confused about Qinyue's status.

Qinyue is unlike China in that Qinyue would have historically been industrialized. Would its infrastructure and so on have been greatly destroyed during the Eulhae War and its revolution, with chronic mismanagement of the economy and so on ensuring that it remained screwed up for a while?

Qinyue is currently the world's third largest economy, and at least now should be rather well-integrated into the global economy. However, I'd really like to know more about the historical state of its economy, at least following the Eulhae War.

Also, for flags -

Does anyone know anything similar to flags that older East Asian nations may have had? Our current flags might be a bit too Western in style, although if everyone wants to we could easily handwave it.

I take inspiration from Vaestic flags, some of Reno's stuff Gingertom89's designs. Check em out

Vaestic?

Ooh~ they are nice

Hrm... considering whether we should have flags that expand vertically rather than horizontally~ or have them just be square or whatever

[Zangsabaar]

I take inspiration from Vaestic flags, some of Reno's stuff Gingertom89's designs. Check em out

Vaestic?

Ooh~ they are nice

Hrm... considering whether we should have flags that expand vertically rather than horizontally~ or have them just be square or whatever

WhyNotBoth.gif

[Arumdaum]

Vaestic?

Ooh~ they are nice

Hrm... considering whether we should have flags that expand vertically rather than horizontally~ or have them just be square or whatever

WhyNotBoth.gif

but but you cant be a square and not a square at the same time

[Victoriala]

WhyNotBoth.gif

but but you cant be a square and not a square at the same time

Moma said u can do anything if you jsut

BELIEEEEEEEEEEEVE

[Arumdaum]

but but you cant be a square and not a square at the same time

Moma said u can do anything if you jsut

BELIEEEEEEEEEEEVE

Thinking we should make own dominant legal system, perhaps based upon traditional Chinese law.

I propose calling it "Ullyeong law." It's basically just the Korean reading of 律令.

random stuff that could help us idk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritsury%C5%8D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Ja ... velopments

[Toishima]

I highly suggest we use a system that is as separated from religions and beliefs as possible. If not, then perhaps the western law system could have been imported and merged with the existing system to create a legal system free of religious influence.

[Senkaku]

Moma said u can do anything if you jsut

BELIEEEEEEEEEEEVE

Thinking we should make own dominant legal system, perhaps based upon traditional Chinese law.

I propose calling it "Ullyeong law." It's basically just the Korean reading of 律令.

random stuff that could help us idk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritsury%C5%8D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Ja ... velopments

Why is everything always a Korean reading? And I think at this point many legal systems would have probably incorporated ideas that IRL we'd consider Western, but that in Tiandi probably would've been invented in the East by philosophers and stuff during the Industrial Revolution and the modernization period.

Also, Arum, I'll make a post regarding your inquiries about Qinyue soon.

[Senkaku]

Yeah I was thinking Qinyue, but I don't think he'd be able to crash the global market (I assume he's fairly independent when it comes to trade).

I was thinking possibly Aki, Jeongmi, Meisaan, Hasu, or another power.

I'm a bit confused about Qinyue's status.

Qinyue is unlike China in that Qinyue would have historically been industrialized. Would its infrastructure and so on have been greatly destroyed during the Eulhae War and its revolution, with chronic mismanagement of the economy and so on ensuring that it remained screwed up for a while?

Qinyue is currently the world's third largest economy, and at least now should be rather well-integrated into the global economy. However, I'd really like to know more about the historical state of its economy, at least following the Eulhae War.

I'd just like to say Qinyue didn't crash the world economy because unlike the USSR it has not collapsed. That's the only reason. If Qinyue did a USSR-style implosion everyone would lose a lot of money, because as you say Qinyue is the world's third-largest economy, is growing rapidly, and is hooked in to global trade and commerce and finance.

Qinyue was ravaged in the Eulhae War, obviously (air raids and extensive land fighting, plus a nuclear strike), but a lot of the damage came in the Glorious Revolution. When it became clear the Li were losing they basically left nothing for the Communists to take. The Communists embarked on a crash program to rebuild the country's industrial might, but it went slowly and was only probably finished in the '80s due to the sheer scale of the project they were embarking on (which was to rebuild an utterly destroyed nation with no outside aid and indeed, outside hostility, while simultaneously trying to project their power around the globe and build a powerful military and space program). After that, mismanagement and corruption started to set in, holding things back further, especially when the first Special Administrative Zones started being set up. Despite all this, modern Qinyue is now achieving growth rates comparable to RL China.

[Toishima]

...is hooked in to global trade and commerce and finance...

...Despite all this, modern Qinyue is now achieving growth rates comparable to RL China.

How and why? China's sudden rise can be attributed greatly to SEZs and outside cooperation, and in Tiandi it appears almost all your close neighbours (and thus world powers) are hostile to your communists. We also don't have a second communist power in the world that the non-Communists needed to work with Qinyue to oppose, like the US and China, and Akitsukuni already became Jeongmi-friendly by the 1950s precisely to oppose Qinyue. In this case, the problems are not on your side - I just see no reason for the non-Communists to ever stop opposing Qinyue, unless(!?) a glasnost/perestroika-type event occurred that showed everyone you were willing to democratise.

Perhaps it would be more realistic to have an economy that grew somewhat similar to the USSR, possibly with a gaige kaifang of your own sometime in the 1990s to 2000s to have economic growth into the modern - definitely not as strong as modern China, but getting there in maybe 15 years, like a hypothetical Soviet Union that did not collapse.

[Zangsabaar]

His economy could be due to his massive population working for slave-wages, like RL China?

[Senkaku]

I'm kind of busy rn, I'll post this afternoon regarding economic shit

[Zhouran]

How and why? China's sudden rise can be attributed greatly to SEZs and outside cooperation, and in Tiandi it appears almost all your close neighbours (and thus world powers) are hostile to your communists. We also don't have a second communist power in the world that the non-Communists needed to work with Qinyue to oppose, like the US and China, and Akitsukuni already became Jeongmi-friendly by the 1950s precisely to oppose Qinyue. In this case, the problems are not on your side - I just see no reason for the non-Communists to ever stop opposing Qinyue, unless(!?) a glasnost/perestroika-type event occurred that showed everyone you were willing to democratise.

If Qinyue didn't democratize, then you could face isolation, which means that your economy will suffer and become a possible autarky.

North Korea is probably a good example, even though its economy is not a true autarky.

[Senkaku]

...is hooked in to global trade and commerce and finance...

...Despite all this, modern Qinyue is now achieving growth rates comparable to RL China.

How and why? China's sudden rise can be attributed greatly to SEZs and outside cooperation, and in Tiandi it appears almost all your close neighbours (and thus world powers) are hostile to your communists. We also don't have a second communist power in the world that the non-Communists needed to work with Qinyue to oppose, like the US and China, and Akitsukuni already became Jeongmi-friendly by the 1950s precisely to oppose Qinyue. In this case, the problems are not on your side - I just see no reason for the non-Communists to ever stop opposing Qinyue, unless(!?) a glasnost/perestroika-type event occurred that showed everyone you were willing to democratise.

Perhaps it would be more realistic to have an economy that grew somewhat similar to the USSR, possibly with a gaige kaifang of your own sometime in the 1990s to 2000s to have economic growth into the modern - definitely not as strong as modern China, but getting there in maybe 15 years, like a hypothetical Soviet Union that did not collapse.

Democratization would be a little far. Qinyue did have a liberalization, sort of like China's, where they opened the first SAZs (I just combined SEZ and SAR ) and liberalized some of their market policies. Said SAZs, like China's SEZs, have contributed greatly to Qinyue's rise, and are continuing to do so since the entire Emerald Delta region is now basically one giant SAZ.

When China really opened up under Deng, the US was less interested in cockblocking the Soviets- they'd already been doing that with Mao and the Soviets were on their way down. They still supported Taiwan and South Korea and Japan- but American companies found that China was a damn cheap place for their factories. I expect something similar would happen in Tiandi, as Jeongmian, Meisaani, and Akitsujin corporations realized how profitable investing in Qinyue could be and their native countries softened their positions against Qinyue somewhat (as the country was liberalizing to some extent, and, though it seems hard to believe, trying to reduce how hardcore they were about the Communist ideology).

Idk. *shrugs* I was thinking SAZs make money for everyone so everyone is ok with it, basically.