Tiandi Big Discussion Thread

[Arumdaum]

The Shinju Union (Jeongmi [me], Meisaan [Sab], Hasumin [UCV/Vicky], Gaoxiong, and Sheng Kong [Sorgan]) is probably going to have a largely unified space program in the modern day.

I think Jeongmi could have sent the first man to the moon!

This also brings up questions like:

What are the other planets in Tiandi's solar system?
Should they be the same as the ones in our own solar system?
How many moons does Tiandi have? What are/is our moon(s) like?

I think Tiandi should only have a single moon. Things get pretty complicated with more than a single moon. I think it should also be similar to the RL Moon. However, I think we could have more creativity regarding planets.

[Zhouran]

The Shinju Union (Jeongmi [me], Meisaan [Sab], Hasumin [UCV/Vicky], Gaoxiong, and Sheng Kong [Sorgan]) is probably going to have a largely unified space program in the modern day.

I think Jeongmi could have sent the first man to the moon!

This also brings up questions like:

What are the other planets in Tiandi's solar system?
Should they be the same as the ones in our own solar system?
How many moons does Tiandi have? What are/is our moon(s) like?

I think Tiandi should only have a single moon. Things get pretty complicated with more than a single moon. I think it should also be similar to the RL Moon. However, I think we could have more creativity regarding planets.

Well, looks like the Shinju Union is not allowed to participate in Zhouran's notInterkosmos program.

Anyway, I think Tiandi should just be in the RL Solar System, but replace Earth with Tiandi. Also, we might have to rename the planets also, since many are named after Roman gods.

[Toishima]

No, we should make our own solar system, though perhaps it can be highly similar to the real one unless someone is proficient in space physics and can create another solar system that could create an inhabitable Earth.

Anyway Akitsukuni's space program is largely similar to the Japanese space program in terms of scientific objectives, but is larger, though it maintains military satellites as well as civilian ones. It is highly funded (but not the most) and operates its own rockets, space centres and Soyuz's, of which I believe other nations may have copied (of course). It also operates a copy of the Mir space station, Heiwa, which has been in orbit since '87 and was refurbished starting 2001.

Thus, in terms of size it may be smaller than the Shinju Union (but perhaps larger than the efforts of the individual nations within the Union) and Qinyue, but bigger than Zhouran (for now). Historically it would have been one of the major nations in the First Space Race, perhaps also having manned moon missions and having the first large-scale space station in orbit, though started waning after 2000. In the Second Space Race Akitsukuni will take more of a back seat but maintain their position through the continuous refurbishing of the Heiwa. They still have plans for a 2030 moon base, though.

I am quite interested in seeing this world with multiple large space stations. Already three major space powers have stations, and I presume the Shinju Union will have some kind of international space station. The Tiandi version of Gravity would be much more interesting, to say the least.

Akitsukuni would be happy to participate a bit in this Zhouran program mostly due to CPSDC ties.

I would also like to declare that the Horaisan series of satellites in this RP are truly observation satellites and not weapons platforms as they may be in other RPs that I participate in. Akitsukuni is different from Toishima in more ways than name.

[Zhouran]

Thus, in terms of size it may be smaller than the Shinju Union (but perhaps larger than the efforts of the individual nations within the Union) and Qinyue, but bigger than Zhouran (for now). Historically it would have been one of the major nations in the First Space Race, perhaps also having manned moon missions and having the first large-scale space station in orbit, though started waning after 2000. In the Second Space Race Akitsukuni will take more of a back seat but maintain their position through the continuous refurbishing of the Heiwa. They still have plans for a 2030 moon base, though.

Akitsukuni would be happy to participate a bit in this Zhouran program mostly due to CPSDC ties.

I would also like to declare that the Horaisan series of satellites in this RP are truly observation satellites and not weapons platforms as they may be in other RPs that I participate in. Akitsukuni is different from Toishima in more ways than name.

1. Yep. Chengbao 4 is just brand spankin' new. Because it's of modular design, it will grow until its decommissioning in 2037. Although, Chengbao 3, launched on January 9, 1994 and deorbited on February 16, 2010, was as big the RL Mir station and ISS. Chengbao 2, launched on August 24, 1983 and deorbited on January 11, 1992, was as big as RL Salyut 7 while Chengbao 1, launched on May 17, 1982 and deorbited on November 6, 1982, would have been as big as Salyut 1. Also, despite entering the space race in the early 60s, Zhouran would have went up the ladder and become a major space power, along with Akitsukuni, Joengmi, Qinyue and any other space powers. The deployment of Zhouran's first hangkongonaut in 1969 and the launch of Chengbao 1 was just there to reinforce Zhouran's status. In the Second Space Race, Zhouran, in comparison to the First Space Race, is less secretive and more open and cooperative, although some enigmatic programs still exist.

2. Zhouran can hold a space program comparable to Interkosmos. This space program will be a joint cooperation between Zhouran, Akitsukuni and other members of the CPSDC. Member states can bring their astronauts to Zhouran so that they can board the Baofengxue series of spacecraft, which is not copies of the Soyuz spacecraft...

3. Lol.

[Senkaku]

No, we should make our own solar system, though perhaps it can be highly similar to the real one unless someone is proficient in space physics and can create another solar system that could create an inhabitable Earth.

Anyway Akitsukuni's space program is largely similar to the Japanese space program in terms of scientific objectives, but is larger, though it maintains military satellites as well as civilian ones. It is highly funded (but not the most) and operates its own rockets, space centres and Soyuz's, of which I believe other nations may have copied (of course). It also operates a copy of the Mir space station, Heiwa, which has been in orbit since '87 and was refurbished starting 2001.

Thus, in terms of size it may be smaller than the Shinju Union (but perhaps larger than the efforts of the individual nations within the Union) and Qinyue, but bigger than Zhouran (for now). Historically it would have been one of the major nations in the First Space Race, perhaps also having manned moon missions and having the first large-scale space station in orbit, though started waning after 2000. In the Second Space Race Akitsukuni will take more of a back seat but maintain their position through the continuous refurbishing of the Heiwa. They still have plans for a 2030 moon base, though.

I am quite interested in seeing this world with multiple large space stations. Already three major space powers have stations, and I presume the Shinju Union will have some kind of international space station. The Tiandi version of Gravity would be much more interesting, to say the least.

Akitsukuni would be happy to participate a bit in this Zhouran program mostly due to CPSDC ties.

I would also like to declare that the Horaisan series of satellites in this RP are truly observation satellites and not weapons platforms as they may be in other RPs that I participate in. Akitsukuni is different from Toishima in more ways than name.

Horaisan?! Actually observation satellites?!!


As for our own solar system, we can do something similar to our own, but if people really want there are certain ways that another inhabitable planet could be present. I don't think we should do that though- the race will already be a big enough deal without a whole extra planet potentially up for immediate colonization.


I wrote some stuff for my space program up on IIWiki. Basically, after they got their shit together post-revolution, Qinyue's space program consisted of launching shitty little space stations and shitty little vehicles up on modified ballistic missiles, for military observation purposes and scientific purposes and to test their ballistic missiles without freaking everyone out. A few of those little ones are actually still up there (although two of them got smashed to bits in various collisions).
Next they launched three slightly larger stations (with 3 modules!!!1!1), one of which is in orbit but is, like the remaining little ones, abandoned. They weren't terrific as stations go either, but they were a step up (and during their development the Qian came up with a better vehicle that it totally not just Soyuz).

Next, much more recently, they launched Tiangong-1, which was just another two-rocket, two-module thing but had actually had effort and science and cash put into it, and then Tiangong-2, which was four modules, and now they've decided to build Tiangong-3 which is going to fucking huge as shit and have a centrifuge and refueling tanks and all kinds of shit and like 30 modules and will be a pain in the fucking ass to build but really fucking cool when it's done. Because Tiangong-3 is actually complicated and expensive they've increased funding to the space program to build it, but it's their main focus besides plans for a single lunar mission and really, really vague mutterings about a lunar base no one really wants or knows how or when to build.

All Qian boosters are just modified versions of their ballistic missiles (which means new boosters could be a glimpse at their newest missile), and there are all kinds of crazy conspiracy rumors that they still have an orbital weapons program (they don't, but they're fine with everyone thinking they do) or things along those lines, which means they're not really very open about this kind of stuff.

This is a super vague and rambling post written early in the morning and trying to respond to everyone and failing completely.

[Zhouran]

I wrote some stuff for my space program up on IIWiki. Basically, after they got their shit together post-revolution, Qinyue's space program consisted of launching shitty little space stations and shitty little vehicles up on modified ballistic missiles, for military observation purposes and scientific purposes and to test their ballistic missiles without freaking everyone out. A few of those little ones are actually still up there (although two of them got smashed to bits in various collisions).
Next they launched three slightly larger stations (with 3 modules!!!1!1), one of which is in orbit but is, like the remaining little ones, abandoned. They weren't terrific as stations go either, but they were a step up (and during their development the Qian came up with a better vehicle that it totally not just Soyuz).

Next, much more recently, they launched Tiangong-1, which was just another two-rocket, two-module thing but had actually had effort and science and cash put into it, and then Tiangong-2, which was four modules, and now they've decided to build Tiangong-3 which is going to fucking huge as shit and have a centrifuge and refueling tanks and all kinds of shit and like 30 modules and will be a pain in the fucking ass to build but really fucking cool when it's done. Because Tiangong-3 is actually complicated and expensive they've increased funding to the space program to build it, but it's their main focus besides plans for a single lunar mission and really, really vague mutterings about a lunar base no one really wants or knows how or when to build.

All Qian boosters are just modified versions of their ballistic missiles (which means new boosters could be a glimpse at their newest missile), and there are all kinds of crazy conspiracy rumors that they still have an orbital weapons program (they don't, but they're fine with everyone thinking they do) or things along those lines, which means they're not really very open about this kind of stuff.

This is a super vague and rambling post written early in the morning and trying to respond to everyone and failing completely.

Still a better space program than North Korea's.

[Toishima]

...It would have been ridiculously hilarious if some of the first few Akitsukunese moon missions were part of a highly misguided military operation to find a supposed Jeongmian moon base, and the Uchū hikō-shi all launched with assault rifles and spent most of their time looking for this moon base with military tactics, resulting in high costs and controversy that eventually led to the end of the Akitsukuni moon program.

=P

[Zhouran]

...It would have been ridiculously hilarious if some of the first few Akitsukunese moon missions were part of a highly misguided military operation to find a supposed Jeongmian moon base, and the Uchū hikō-shi all launched with assault rifles and spent most of their time looking for this moon base with military tactics, resulting in high costs and controversy that eventually led to the end of the Akitsukuni moon program.

=P

Well, it's not like the Zhouranese did something similar by fitting autocannons to its early space stations...

But anyway, did Akitsukuni actually land on the moon? Or did they spend too much time looking for this supposed Jeongmian moonbase???

[Toishima]

What I envision is that Akitsukuni would land on the moon in '71 to keep up with Jeongmi, with four scientific missions to follow. Then some dubious information about a Jeongmi hidden moon base leads to two extremely expensive and near-pointless combined manned and unmanned missions to the moon to find this base. After this would be a final scientific mission before the manned lunar program is cancelled forever. Akitsukuni would only ever observe through unmanned vehicles from then on.

[Zangsabaar]

I have yet to post on this thread, so Hi everyone.

As for space, I'd assume Zangsabaar launched a rocket in the 80s

[Victoriala]

We gon go to d moon second.

Might as well plan a base with the frends here

[Arumdaum]

We gon go to d moon second.

Might as well plan a base with the frends here

Moon base moon base~~

[Senkaku]

Qinyue can into Moon?


No, probably not, but Qinyue can into lots and lots of space stations.

[Zhouran]

I think Zhouran will be the only major space power to not have gone to the Moon, 'cos moon landing is overrated and basic.

Instead, we are focused on space stations, aviation research (such as hypersonic flight, single-stage-to-orbit, air-breathing rocket engines, hypersonic airliners, etc), and very-long space travel with the use of nuclear thermal rockets (Project Orion FTW).

[Aalmark]

Aalmark don't have time for the moon, we've got snow to hold back and an election.

[Victoriala]

We gon go to d moon second.

Might as well plan a base with the frends here

Moon base moon base~~

WITH MOTHAFUVKING LAZERS

[Zhouran]

Moving on from space, let's discuss about politics, ideologies and alliances.

I made an ideology list. In Tiandi, fascism is Kunbangism. We might also rename communism to something else, since the word itself is latin, and I'm not sure if we even have latin in Tiandi.

Also, Marxism-Leninism and Marxism should also be renamed.

[Zangsabaar]

Moving on from space, let's discuss about politics, ideologies and alliances.

I made an ideology list. In Tiandi, fascism is Kunbangism. We might also rename communism to something else, since the word itself is latin, and I'm not sure if we even have latin in Tiandi.

Also, Marxism-Leninism and Marxism should also be renamed.

Stochocracy shall be named "Nhikirocracy", the form by which Zangsabaar governs itself.
nvm, keeping Stochocracy.

Also, we do have Latin, its' called "Laturian" and originates from the Pontifical States, but obv. it's nowhere near a prevalent as IRL.

[Senkaku]

Moving on from space, let's discuss about politics, ideologies and alliances.

I made an ideology list. In Tiandi, fascism is Kunbangism. We might also rename communism to something else, since the word itself is latin, and I'm not sure if we even have latin in Tiandi.

Also, Marxism-Leninism and Marxism should also be renamed.

I posted and renamed Communism ages ago. Marxism-Leninism specifically probably doesn't exist, since the "original" revolution was in Qinyue rather than the USSR and Marxism-Leninism was promulgated by Lenin based on Russia's specific situation. However, if you read through my post, you'll notice I've come up with a replacement name for Marxism in addition to Mao Zedong Thought and Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. My replacement for Socialism with Chinese Charecteristics is also more broad than just that, it could also be considered a sort-of replacement for Marxism-Leninism (but again, that emerged specifically from Russia, while our "original" revolution was in Qinyue).

[Arumdaum]

Regarding Latin, we should probably have the scientific names of species be in Classical Chinese, as that is basically East Asia's Latin.

Also, ocean/sea names:

Ocean in the north where the North Pole is and stuff - Northern Ice/Frozen Ocean 北冰洋 (same as IRL but I am feeling lazy rn)
Ocean in the way south - Southern Ice/Frozen Ocean 南冰洋
Small sea between southeast Jeongmi, northeast Meisaan, and Aki's New Territories - East Jeongmi Sea (東鄭麋海)
Roughly square area south of Aki and north of Kealakekua - South Sinju Sea (南神海)
Sea west of Jeongmi until big island - West Jeongmi Sea (西鄭麋海)
Rough area with Zangsabaar and Tanah Merah - Sea of Zangsabaar (章國海)

[Victoriala]

Regarding Latin, we should probably have the scientific names of species be in Classical Chinese, as that is basically East Asia's Latin.

Regarding Latin, we should probably have the scientific names of species be in Classical Chinese, as that is basically East Asia's Latin.

Ily mang

[Arumdaum]

Regarding Latin, we should probably have the scientific names of species be in Classical Chinese, as that is basically East Asia's Latin.

Regarding Latin, we should probably have the scientific names of species be in Classical Chinese, as that is basically East Asia's Latin.

Ily mang

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my dream is to one day be considered this by eurocentrics :-)))

[Zhouran]

Ocean in the north where the North Pole is and stuff - Northern Ice/Frozen Ocean 北冰洋 (same as IRL but I am feeling lazy rn)

Well I can help with that........

[Arumdaum]

Area between North Yashima and Chousen: Sea of Akitsukuni
Area between Akitsukuni and Hasumin: Sea of Yashima

random names for any seas:
Green Sea
Blue Sea

[Zhouran]

Area between North Yashima and Chousen: Sea of Akitsukuni
Area between Akitsukuni and Hasumin: Sea of Yashima

random names for any seas:
Green Sea
Blue Sea

How about names of the oceans between the continents? You only had ocean names for the northern and southern parts.