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Postby Sabara » Wed May 06, 2015 10:07 pm

Yay for worldbuilding!

(And I'm guessing Jeongmi is on the same status in Tiandi as 'murica?)
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Wed May 06, 2015 10:32 pm

Sabara wrote:Yay for worldbuilding!

(And I'm guessing Jeongmi is on the same status in Tiandi as 'murica?)

yeeee~

I was thinking that Jeongmi would have a similar status to America, but I think that other nations like Sengok having a large population as well would mean that I would need to build more consensus with other large nations similar to mine in terms of interests.

I think Jeongmi should be pretty similar to how Arumdaum was in Lucerna in terms of politics in that it's going to remain a liberal democracy. Pacifism is something that I plan on removing, since it's a good way to get Jeongmi more involved internationally. However, I don't think that Jeongmi would take on the status of "world police."
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Thu May 07, 2015 1:19 am

I think Toishima's historical colonization and mistreatment of Chosen will cause there to be some historical issues between Jeongmi, which is Korean, and Toishima.

The large distance between places in Jeongmi and Chosen should mean different languages or rather divergent dialects, but I think we can sort of handwave that, since creating new languages/dialects is a bit much, and I'm not really familiar with any Korean dialects apart from Standard Korean (I know some Gyeongsang, but not enough to help me).

I'm also assuming that we were both historical colonizers. Maybe Toishima could have colonized Kibetsu?

I'm hoping to have all the continent names go along with how China currently goes with continent names - adding zhou (州) after a single character for each continent name, with each continent having two characters and two syllables. Of course, different languages will have different readings for everything.
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Postby Toishima » Thu May 07, 2015 1:51 am

Kibetsu and I have come to an agreement that modern Kibetsu was indeed a former Toishiman colony, with independence granted through a Japonic-only referendum that left it as a constitutional monarchy, though later this would be overturned for them to become the republic they are today.

Korean dialects in Chosen should not be a major problem because for the past century they were not allowed to speak or write the language, and only in recent times these laws were repealed, so the main language would be Japanese/Toishiman. Chosen would be something like the theoretical outcome of a successful Japanese invasion of Korea and subsequent Japanese control for centuries, though on a smaller scale. This of course would cause problems with Jeongmi, and perhaps pressure in modern times was what led to the repealing of those archaic laws.

Toishima could be one of those nations nobody likes but everyone has to work with because of their control over the Sea of Toishima (Needs a more neutral name) and military power. Our past as rampaging imperialists would definitely play a major role in straining ties.

Another idea I had was that at a time the Greater Empire encompassed a massive area worldwide and was itself the world superpower, the downfall being similar to the fall of the British Empire after WW2, allowing Jeongmi and the other (now larger) nations to claim the top spots in recent centuries.
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Thu May 07, 2015 6:11 am

http://i.imgur.com/gtNzIip.png
^ Made a map for continent names.

Qiongzhou 窮州/穷州
Zhongzhou 中州
Youzhou 優州/优州
Yongzhou 永州
Qingzhou 清州

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Postby Sabara » Thu May 07, 2015 4:48 pm

Arumdaum wrote:http://i.imgur.com/gtNzIip.png
^ Made a map for continent names.

Qiongzhou 窮州/穷州
Zhongzhou 中州
Youzhou 優州/优州
Yongzhou 永州
Qingzhou 清州

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I like it! It further cements the authenticity of an Asian centered region, unlike Lucerna where all the different continents were named a bit haphazardly.

I'm also thinking that Shenguo would be the somewhat more liberal counterpart of Jeongmi, with a smaller military and more pacifist leanings. (Basically relying on the larger and more powerful nation for protection from undesirables like Toishima, and Zhouran depending on how he forms the politics of his nation).

Toishima wrote:Toishima could be one of those nations nobody likes but everyone has to work with because of their control over the Sea of Toishima (Needs a more neutral name) and military power. Our past as rampaging imperialists would definitely play a major role in straining ties.

Another idea I had was that at a time the Greater Empire encompassed a massive area worldwide and was itself the world superpower, the downfall being similar to the fall of the British Empire after WW2, allowing Jeongmi and the other (now larger) nations to claim the top spots in recent centuries.

@Toishima, would your nation contest my chain of islands in the Sea of _?

I'm thinking that this region would be considered a sore-point in a heavily contested rivalry between the two colonial powers.
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Thu May 07, 2015 5:13 pm

Toishima wrote:Kibetsu and I have come to an agreement that modern Kibetsu was indeed a former Toishiman colony, with independence granted through a Japonic-only referendum that left it as a constitutional monarchy, though later this would be overturned for them to become the republic they are today.

Korean dialects in Chosen should not be a major problem because for the past century they were not allowed to speak or write the language, and only in recent times these laws were repealed, so the main language would be Japanese/Toishiman. Chosen would be something like the theoretical outcome of a successful Japanese invasion of Korea and subsequent Japanese control for centuries, though on a smaller scale. This of course would cause problems with Jeongmi, and perhaps pressure in modern times was what led to the repealing of those archaic laws.

Toishima could be one of those nations nobody likes but everyone has to work with because of their control over the Sea of Toishima (Needs a more neutral name) and military power. Our past as rampaging imperialists would definitely play a major role in straining ties.

Another idea I had was that at a time the Greater Empire encompassed a massive area worldwide and was itself the world superpower, the downfall being similar to the fall of the British Empire after WW2, allowing Jeongmi and the other (now larger) nations to claim the top spots in recent centuries.

Ah, great then!

I meant historical dialects, lol. Hrm, I was sort of thinking that Jeongmi would have historically been the superpower of Tiandi in terms of the colonies it used to possess, but I don't think I'd mind too much if it wasn't. I sort of expect more people to desire the Japanese as colonizers rather than Koreans.

However, I don't think that's something we should decide on just yet.

Sabara wrote:I like it! It further cements the authenticity of an Asian centered region, unlike Lucerna where all the different continents were named a bit haphazardly.

I'm also thinking that Shenguo would be the somewhat more liberal counterpart of Jeongmi, with a smaller military and more pacifist leanings. (Basically relying on the larger and more powerful nation for protection from undesirables like Toishima, and Zhouran depending on how he forms the politics of his nation).

Great! Yeah, hehe, I think so.

People are considering axing the "zhou"s,but I think it's a bit necessary as the suffix denoting that it's a continent. Of course, I wouldn't mind if others really want to axe them.

KR and JP translations
Qiongzhou = Gungju = Kyuushuu
Zhongzhou = Jungju = Chuushuu
Youzhou = Uju = Yuushuu
Yongzhou = Yeongju = Eishuu
Qingzhou = Cheongju = Seishuu


I don't think Jeongmi is going to be all that conservative, especially considering that the other nations plan on being rather conservative, it seems. Of course, it shouldn't really be all that different, since Jeongmi will still be a liberal democracy and all. I think it'd be great it Shenguo and Jeongmi pursued close ties - would you be up for another Amesian Union type of thing? If we get more members, of course...

Also, began a wiki for Jeongmi.
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Thu May 07, 2015 5:19 pm

Sabara wrote:
Toishima wrote:Toishima could be one of those nations nobody likes but everyone has to work with because of their control over the Sea of Toishima (Needs a more neutral name) and military power. Our past as rampaging imperialists would definitely play a major role in straining ties.

Another idea I had was that at a time the Greater Empire encompassed a massive area worldwide and was itself the world superpower, the downfall being similar to the fall of the British Empire after WW2, allowing Jeongmi and the other (now larger) nations to claim the top spots in recent centuries.

@Toishima, would your nation contest my chain of islands in the Sea of _?

I'm thinking that this region would be considered a sore-point in a heavily contested rivalry between the two colonial powers.

I think Arumdaum would have been heavily interested historically - my north is blocked by ice and I need to pass the area if I want to access the rest of the world by sea.

SO MAKE THAT THREE
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Postby Sabara » Thu May 07, 2015 5:26 pm

@Arumdaum: Yessss for Amesu Union type thingy. Or at least some kind of NAFTA-esque agreement between Shenguo and Jeongmi.

And maybe Toishima-sea thing could have been a war-starter in the past? Some kind of regionwide war (similar to the Wars of Control in Europe during the 18th century?)
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European Wars of Control? What's that?
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Postby Toishima » Fri May 08, 2015 2:20 am

Yeah, Sea of __ can definitely be a sore point in the region. We've got the ability to easily blockade both of you, of course it would be contested! XD

There will definitely be many island disputes; I accept them all.
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Fri May 08, 2015 4:52 am

I noticed this earlier, but Shenguo is mostly located within the tropics, which should make it significantly hotter and wetter than Southern China. Toishima should also be much warmer than Japan, and currently doesn't have anywhere that would have a climate similar to Hokkaido. I can move us all a bit north if you guys are interested.
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Postby Zhouran » Fri May 08, 2015 5:05 am

Arumdaum wrote:I think Arumdaum would have been heavily interested historically - my north is blocked by ice and I need to pass the area if I want to access the rest of the world by sea.

SO MAKE THAT THREE

So wait, are you saying that my nation's coast is surrounded by frozen water?

I actually approve of that. As for the Sea of ___, my nation wouldn't have much of an interest until the industrialization age. So make that four I guess...
Toishima wrote:There will definitely be many island disputes; I accept them all.

Is it just territorial disputes or does it involved resources?
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Fri May 08, 2015 5:09 am

Zhouran wrote:So wait, are you saying that my nation's coast is surrounded by frozen water?

I actually approve of that. As for the Sea of ___, my nation wouldn't have much of an interest until the industrialization age. So make that four I guess...

Nah, not that, but rather that I can't really access the rest of the world by sea since land continues up until nearly the Arctic (if not the Arctic) on both sides of the ocean, and by that far north everything will probably be frozen.

Of course, I'd still be able to regularly maintain contact with my neighbors in that northern region.
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Postby Zhouran » Fri May 08, 2015 5:14 am

Arum, I saw your thread at the offsite forum.

Is Jeongmi the America of Tiandi? Also, how did Jeongmi secure its position as a superpower?
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Fri May 08, 2015 5:22 am

Zhouran wrote:Arum, I saw your thread at the offsite forum.

Is Jeongmi the America of Tiandi? Also, how did Jeongmi secure its position as a superpower?

I was thinking that Jeongmi would possess influence on a level similar to that of the United States'.

Probably a good amount of human and mineral resources, a favorable geography, leeching off the blood of colonies, and $$$$$$$. Of course, the region was really created only a few days ago, so not much has been fleshed out yet. I still need to work out specifics.
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Postby Zhouran » Fri May 08, 2015 5:27 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Zhouran wrote:Arum, I saw your thread at the offsite forum.

Is Jeongmi the America of Tiandi? Also, how did Jeongmi secure its position as a superpower?

I was thinking that Jeongmi would possess influence on a level similar to that of the United States'.

Probably a good amount of human and mineral resources, a favorable geography, leeching off the blood of colonies, and $$$$$$$. Of course, the region was really created only a few days ago, so not much has been fleshed out yet. I still need to work out specifics.

Ok.

Hey, do you think Jeongmi and Zhouran had been trading with each other since early times? Our nations aren't really far apart. This early trade would shape the relations between the two.
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Either way, people should join chat and participate more on the offsite.
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Fri May 08, 2015 5:32 am

Zhouran wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:I was thinking that Jeongmi would possess influence on a level similar to that of the United States'.

Probably a good amount of human and mineral resources, a favorable geography, leeching off the blood of colonies, and $$$$$$$. Of course, the region was really created only a few days ago, so not much has been fleshed out yet. I still need to work out specifics.

Ok.

Hey, do you think Jeongmi and Zhouran had been trading with each other since early times? Our nations aren't really far apart. This early trade would shape the relations between the two.

Yeah, of course! I expect the region to have historically been burgeoning with activity. We're located at a crossroads of continents.

We're around 1500 km apart, so a lot of it may be indirect, but I still think that we would have done a significant amount of trade from early on. What have you thought Zhouran's history would be like so far?

What is Zhouran like in the 21st century, though?
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Postby Zhouran » Fri May 08, 2015 5:37 am

Arumdaum wrote:We're around 1500 km apart, so a lot of it may be indirect, but I still think that we would have done a significant amount of trade from early on. What have you thought Zhouran's history would be like so far?

Mmmmhhh.... I'm not fully sure yet. All I have in mind is Zhouran's early start and industrialization age.

Also, I was thinking of having our own version of the Silk Road that goes from your nation to my nation. The only thing is that we need more nations between us.
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Postby Zhouran » Fri May 08, 2015 5:39 am

Arumdaum wrote:What is Zhouran like in the 21st century, though?

Well, the nation would of had two economic reforms: one that boosts the economy and the other that transforms the economy into a capitalist one.

Also, let's just say that Zhouran in the 21st Century is "Westernized", or in Tiandi: Culturally odd/different
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Postby ArUmdAUM » Fri May 08, 2015 5:40 am

Zhouran wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:We're around 1500 km apart, so a lot of it may be indirect, but I still think that we would have done a significant amount of trade from early on. What have you thought Zhouran's history would be like so far?

Mmmmhhh.... I'm not fully sure yet. All I have in mind is Zhouran's early start and industrialization age.

Also, I was thinking of having our own version of the Silk Road that goes from your nation to my nation. The only thing is that we need more nations between us.

I'm sure we'll have a good Silk Roads analogue here in Tiandi. We could probably safely assume that there were routes passing through or ending up at our nations.

That brings us back to recruitment...

my most recent post on the offsite on the subject:
Yeah! That seems alright. People could apply to join the region on the NS forums, and then apply for a map position here.

I'm just worried that it might bother people to have to make two applications just to join a region.

However, what would we ask from people? RP and Wiki examples?

edit: Actually, I think I have an idea. We could have people make applications for nations on the NS forums, but require them to repost them here, so we can easily check who's been accepted with what stats.

edit2: I remember that me running RP regions began with my Alternate World/History RPs in 2011. I made RPs in F7 (back when PT2M didn't exist), and after talking about making a region, people followed me there.

Unfortunately, the problem is that nowadays everyone is making those kinds of RPs instead of just me, and we won't get that much attention. It'd also further detract attention from this RP region.
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Postby Toishima » Fri May 08, 2015 5:59 am

Zhouran wrote:I actually approve of that. As for the Sea of ___, my nation wouldn't have much of an interest until the industrialization age. So make that four I guess...

All aboard the Sea of Toishima train~

Water guns on Coast Guard ships loaded and ready!
Zhouran wrote:Is it just territorial disputes or does it involved resources?

Territory, mostly, though perhaps there could be gas or oil reserved below some of the islands, plus ever-present fishing grounds. Either way we can expect a South China Sea situation but with strong powers facing off instead of smaller countries vs PRChina.
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Postby Zhouran » Fri May 08, 2015 6:28 am

Toishima wrote:
Zhouran wrote:I actually approve of that. As for the Sea of ___, my nation wouldn't have much of an interest until the industrialization age. So make that four I guess...

All aboard the Sea of Toishima train~

Water guns on Coast Guard ships loaded and ready!
Zhouran wrote:Is it just territorial disputes or does it involved resources?

Territory, mostly, though perhaps there could be gas or oil reserved below some of the islands, plus ever-present fishing grounds. Either way we can expect a South China Sea situation but with strong powers facing off instead of smaller countries vs PRChina.

But the thing is... Zhouran isn't really interested in passing through the Sea of Toishima. Instead, we like to sail through frozen Arctic-like waters, just like the Russians. :lol2:

Also, the Sea of Toishima train has no brakes. ;)
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