Earth: Empire (FT, v2.0)

[Abruzi]

Hey New Nick, is it cool if I skip to the meeting with your officer between the Afghan drones and him?

You'll need to reclaim Afghanistan first.

EDIT:
Also, Switzerland, once again, you do not get to just whip out heavy cruisers and dreadnoughts like that.

What do you mean by reclaiming Afghanistan? OMG? France step in here since OMG is busy and tell me what he means.

[Sol Switzerland]

Hey New Nick, is it cool if I skip to the meeting with your officer between the Afghan drones and him?

You'll need to reclaim Afghanistan first.

EDIT:
Also, Switzerland, once again, you do not get to just whip out heavy cruisers and dreadnoughts like that.

I thought I fixed that? Its been a long week of finals, that I haven't been able to keep track of stuff very well.

Its fixed now

[Great Solar Japan]

You'll need to reclaim Afghanistan first.

EDIT:
Also, Switzerland, once again, you do not get to just whip out heavy cruisers and dreadnoughts like that.

I thought I fixed that? Its been a long week of finals, that I haven't been able to keep track of stuff very well.

Its fixed now

Plus Switzerland is in no position to colonize other worlds. It is rich, yes, and can probably afford to colonize, but it has a small population and lacks the military capability to defend any new worlds. If you want to play a minor power, you're going to have to get used to limitations.

[Tristaniano]

Sooo anyone want to form another plot with Persia?

[Persia1090]

Yea what I accidently said with my real nation haha

[Venusian France]

Switzerland is very much similar to a nation like Venice. Each is a rich nation with a small population. Where as Venice has a large merchant marine that established their economy the Swiss have the banking industry which is if anything much more easy to defend, because nations dont particularly want to attack the nation that holds their assets.

Switzerland does have the ability to colonize, more so if it seeks the assistance of one of the great powers. The Swiss can construct a Navy, they just cant make dreadnoughts and heavy cruiser right off the bat. He can get himself colonies, hell Venice has two worlds.

As far as the Swiss being able to unable to defend themselves, Swiss regiments are among the best troops in Europe used and well some people might have heard of the Swiss Guard...

Could they defend a colony under a serious invasion of a much larger power, maybe not. But that's what allies are for.

I would think Japan would know about playing as a minor power and limitations. After all how can anyone RP if they get told they cant do anything but sit on their butt and watch everyone else go and play.

[Old Tyrannia]

Switzerland is very much similar to a nation like Venice. Each is a rich nation with a small population. Where as Venice has a large merchant marine that established their economy the Swiss have the banking industry which is if anything much more easy to defend, because nations dont particularly want to attack the nation that holds their assets.

Switzerland does have the ability to colonize, more so if it seeks the assistance of one of the great powers. The Swiss can construct a Navy, they just cant make dreadnoughts and heavy cruiser right off the bat. He can get himself colonies, hell Venice has two worlds.

As far as the Swiss being able to unable to defend themselves, Swiss regiments are among the best troops in Europe used and well some people might have heard of the Swiss Guard...

Could they defend a colony under a serious invasion of a much larger power, maybe not. But that's what allies are for.

I would think Japan would know about playing as a minor power and limitations. After all how can anyone RP if they get told they cant do anything but sit on their butt and watch everyone else go and play.

Venice is a naval power. Switzerland is not. Regardless, my point was that Switzerland is probably too small to launch any major colonization attempts- quite frankly it can't really spare the population, though admittedly this is the future and populations are higher. But Switzerland, unlike Venice, has always been a financial power and never really had any land assets to protect except its core territory, so it's unlikely to have any serious naval capability. And Japan is an important power- non-European =/= not important; Japan is probably stronger than several European nations.

[Persia1090]

Persia is also important

[Old Tyrannia]

Persia is also important

Er... I hate to break it to you, but no.

[Persia1090]

why not?

[Great Solar Japan]

:( why not?

Did you even read anything about this RP group whatsoever before you joined?

[Persia1090]

Yea. Persia is a regional power...I thought it was important in its region. I didn't mean in the whole world of things.

[Great Solar Japan]

Yea. Persia is a regional power...I thought it was important in its region. I didn't mean in the whole world of things.

Good, but we were talking about it in the context of global powers. Japan, France and probably Switzerland and Venice, too are all more powerful than Persia. Let's look at it as a sort of pyramid of power;

• France
• Japan
• Persia
• Switzerland/Venice

Based on pure military strength, size and population, Persia is stronger than the Swiss and the Venetians. However, look at it from an economic perspective.

• Switzerland/Venice
• France
• Japan
• Persia

Switzerland/Venice's economic strength gives them greater influence and the ability to take a greater part in world affairs, yet they are less important within their individual regions. Persia has the power to dominate its region but lacks the means to extend its influence globally. Although these economic powers are small, they can have a greater influence through their financial clout.

[Persia1090]

Hmmmm...I wanna do some rps that increases Persias economy. I know they have a large military, 40% of their GDP is military.

[Great Solar Japan]

Hmmmm...I wanna do some rps that increases Persias economy. I know they have a large military, 40% of their GDP is military.

Oh, it isn't a matter of economic strength. A large country like Persia is never going to become as rich as little countries like Venice and Switzerland, leaving aside for the moment the fact that the latter nations are European and you aren't. All nations, you see, have strengths and weaknesses.

[Persia1090]

Ah yes...but I want to make mine stronger haha

[FS_America]

Yea. Persia is a regional power...I thought it was important in its region. I didn't mean in the whole world of things.

Persia is a regional power but its only just held together! you have the British and numerous other nations infringing your claims and exploiting both your population and your land and atm there is very little you can do about it. Chances have it your government is as corrupt as the last Chinese government. (speculation of course on the corruption) but ever since the last great war no one other than the great powers and some of the more economically powerful nations flourished. Yes atm Russia and France are helping lift countries off there knees through various means be it through an alliance of nations (France) or through rather lavish and generous loans (Russia) what your nation will be offered is any ones guess but right now you have alot of fixing to do and not alot of money or materials to do it with.

Its possible but hard you need friends more than anything else at the moment!

America atm doesn't have very many friends it has some but most of them are trade agreements. I am still fixing my nation and ive had it for some months now! its a long process!

[Persia1090]

Ah ok...Well I'll try and do something...

[Xin Ming]

Yea. Persia is a regional power...I thought it was important in its region. I didn't mean in the whole world of things.

Persia is a regional power but its only just held together! you have the British and numerous other nations infringing your claims and exploiting both your population and your land and atm there is very little you can do about it. Chances have it your government is as corrupt as the last Chinese government. (speculation of course on the corruption) but ever since the last great war no one other than the great powers and some of the more economically powerful nations flourished. Yes atm Russia and France are helping lift countries off there knees through various means be it through an alliance of nations (France) or through rather lavish and generous loans (Russia) what your nation will be offered is any ones guess but right now you have alot of fixing to do and not alot of money or materials to do it with.

Its possible but hard you need friends more than anything else at the moment!

America atm doesn't have very many friends it has some but most of them are trade agreements. I am still fixing my nation and ive had it for some months now! its a long process!

They totally were. @ Last Chinese Gov.

I cannot confirm or deny if that was propaganda right thar. ;D

America is right however; it's going to be a long haul process before Persia is standing on it's own legs again, be prepared to work as hard as the rest of us rebuild-ing-ers.

[Persia1090]

How do I start?

[FS_America]

Ah ok...Well I'll try and do something...

every one is willing to RP with you dont worry about that you just need to talk to us via TG or via this thread and flesh something out we are an RP group RPing a persistent world. Some ones actions affect some one else in one way or another lol

[Persia1090]

I'm up for anything right now guys haha Im sooooo bored

[Venusian France]

Persia i dont know if anyone shot you this link yet but its to the Great Big Guide... http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=59659&hilit=guide

Ill just put up the balance of power here:

The Balance of Power at A Glance:
Interstellar Powers ('Great Powers')
Nations that can afford major out-system colonies, have big fleets, and are generally involved in everybody's affairs whether they like it or not. The big boys, essentially. These countries have the budget and the will to dominate world politics.

Britain
France
Russia


Solar Powers ('World Powers')
These countries are strong enough to remain relatively free of the machinations of the great powers, and maybe even maintain a few colonies. This class composes nations both new and old. Many of these nations maintain a fleet of FTL-equipped vessels as a statement of their independence. All of these states have the capability, but not necessarily the will or the immediate need, to move into 'great power' status.


The Magyar Empire
The United Netherlands
Spain
Portugal
The Federated States of America


Regional Powers
Countries which extend a certain influence over their region, but have not quite graduated to the status of a true global influence. They are still somewhat formidable, though, and can pose a serious threat if provoked. As above, many in this category strive to move into the 'world power' setting, as with Germany.

Persia
Thailand
Prussia
Sweden
The German Federation


Emergent States, and 'other'
A somewhat broad category which includes states which have only recently emerged onto the international scene, either from obscurity or having gained their independence from a more powerful state. As such, they cannot be readily classified. Some, such as Japan, are rising stars on the world stage, others, such as Liberia, are content to remain obscure, but independent. Venice and Switzerland, have little direct power, but their presence on the financial scene is obvious.

Japan
Eastern Rome
Abyssinia
Liberia
Venice
Switzerland
Yemen
The Arab States
Bhutan
Oman
The Italian States

So lets look at this you are very correct in saying that Persia is a regional power.

Japan at the start of EE was very backward due to centuries of isolation, self-imposed. OT has brought his nation out of that with some success. Japan ought to be considered a regional power now like Persia.

Persia has a strong military, a formidable army, though they do things a bit differently then Western Armies, OMG would be a big help in explaining that to you even setting you up with some pics and good info.

Me? I am more of a big picture guy which I will attempt to draw for you now.

So, in the Middle East you can be expect to exert a great deal of influence, being as that is your nations center of influence, its Region. Persia though lacks a navy, which means you can't really project that influence outside the nations along your borders.

In the Great Game its all about what you can take and keep that determines if/when you move up this food chain.

Russia, France Britain arent the top because they have massive military machines, maybe not better then some nations, but they are larger. This lets them go where ever they like and do what they like. The only ones that could really stop them are each other.

Nations like Spain, FSA, and the Portugaul are solar powers because they have gone out and established colonies in the Sol system and are able to protect them from threats (other nations).

Japan is a regional power because he asserts a lot of influence over the Far East, he has the ability to move his armies and naval forces about that area an stand a good chance at beating those opposed to him, like China. He does have a couple colonies abroad New Eden comes to mind, but that is away from the powers of Sol, and probably only exists because some people are willing to tolerate it. Japan unlike FSA, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands has yet really every had to use its military to protect its claims thus it isn't up to that power level yet.

So for Persia, man you got a lot of work to do, internal reforms and modernization efforts...modernize your army, make a navy if you want to get off earth, find allies that are stronger then you and are willing to help you do this. Whether that means your government gives into to the outside colonial pressures of Russia or Britain is up to you, or maybe look to the other great power for support, to France... OR go to one of the other emerging powers or established Solar powers To America? Germany? Japan? China?

There is lots of stuff for you to RP so get out there and do it.

[Persia1090]

i wuv you guys.

[Persia1090]

So lets get to plotting guys...anyone interested?