Project Warfighter: "Tier-One" RP Group, OPEN

[The United Remnants of America]

Actually, that's a thing. Some newer power plants use an ammonia-water solution to act as a coolant/refrigerant due to the wide boiling range of the mixture. While it's mainly for geothermal plants, a similar structure could technically work as a nuclear cooling system, since it works already.

That's what I was mentioning. I was saying use it as a coolant to save weight.

Then. It's realistic. What's your problem with it, then?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

That's what I was mentioning. I was saying use it as a coolant to save weight.

Then. It's realistic. What's your problem with it, then?

Radioactive shielding, and using it as the gas that keeps the airship up, along with using armor, and needing more fuel. Oh, and freezing it.

[The United Remnants of America]

Then. It's realistic. What's your problem with it, then?

Radioactive shielding, and using it as the gas that keeps the airship up, along with using armor, and needing more fuel. Oh, and freezing it.

Thin lead and water? Don't need gas with the jet engines. Fuel is negated due to... Nuclear energy. Don't need to freeze it.

I think the real issue is diverting the nuclear energy into energy for the jet engines... Which... Could be possible with a nuclear reactor.

[Anowa]

Okay, I want to know. What planet are you living on in which radiation can transfer through water, through reasonably thick (8-10mm) steel pipe and then irradiate ammonia to an unsafe level?

I'm living on earth.

Ever heard of Chernobyl? No? Three Mile Island? No? Steam explosions? No? Bikini Atoll? No? Any nuclear reactor? No? Nuclear submarines? No?

What world are YOU living on?

The one where swimming in nuclear reactor pools is safe... and where reactor personnel aren't pumping radioactive steam through turbines, they use radiated heat from the reactor to heat water in shielded pipes which then proceeds to turn non-radioactive water into steam which then turns a turbine, condenses and runs through the system again.

They're two different systems, one's a conductor for heat, and the other isn't. both boil and condensate into two separate systems.

[The United Remnants of America]

I'm living on earth.

Ever heard of Chernobyl? No? Three Mile Island? No? Steam explosions? No? Bikini Atoll? No? Any nuclear reactor? No? Nuclear submarines? No?

What world are YOU living on?

The one where swimming in nuclear reactor pools is safe... and where reactor personnel aren't pumping radioactive steam through turbines, they use radiated heat from the reactor to heat water in shielded pipes which then proceeds to turn non-radioactive water into steam which then turns a turbine, condenses and runs through the system again.

They're two different systems, one's a conductor for heat, and the other isn't. both boil and condensate into two separate systems.

Though the water in the system does become heavy water.... And I wouldn't drink the coolant water...

[Shyluz]

Two types of radiation get through vacuums-- light, and electromagnetic. A nuclear reactor produces neither.

It's an aerostat. The lift gases produce enough lift to make it weigh the same amount as the air. You're right DeN. It does have to much drag. It is slow. It is cumbersome. Sounds like a flying naval craft, right? Besides, I'm pretty sure though that dirigibles aren't known for being aerodynamic, or speedy for that matter. The goal wasn't those two attributes, though. The goal was a durable airship suitable for combat against sea-borne or land-borne combatants, and the ability to act as a mobile command position.

URA, no one drinks ammonia. Nor will they breath it. Or swim in it, for that matter.

[The United Remnants of America]

URA, no one drinks ammonia. Nor will they breath it. Or swim in it, for that matter.

No, I mean for water coolant systems. I wouldn't trust it.

[Shyluz]

URA, no one drinks ammonia. Nor will they breath it. Or swim in it, for that matter.

No, I mean for water coolant systems. I wouldn't trust it.

Nor would I. But again, not using water.

[Anowa]

No, I mean for water coolant systems. I wouldn't trust it.

Nor would I. But again, not using water.

In a sense you might be.

>reactor heats water to boil
>boiling water heats ammonia in shielded pipes
>steam rises to top of tank and condenses into water again
>ammonia meanwhile becomes floofy gas
>soon condenses again
>repeat cycle.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Radioactive shielding, and using it as the gas that keeps the airship up, along with using armor, and needing more fuel. Oh, and freezing it.

Thin lead and water? Don't need gas with the jet engines. Fuel is negated due to... Nuclear energy. Don't need to freeze it.

I think the real issue is diverting the nuclear energy into energy for the jet engines... Which... Could be possible with a nuclear reactor.

Thin lead doesn't work around the actual reactor. Now, using the heat energy in the jet engines is possible, but now you need to somehow direct it into the engines.

You do need to freeze the ammonia. If you want to reuse it for ballast as Shyluz wanted to.

I'm living on earth.

Ever heard of Chernobyl? No? Three Mile Island? No? Steam explosions? No? Bikini Atoll? No? Any nuclear reactor? No? Nuclear submarines? No?

What world are YOU living on?

The one where swimming in nuclear reactor pools is safe... and where reactor personnel aren't pumping radioactive steam through turbines, they use radiated heat from the reactor to heat water in shielded pipes which then proceeds to turn non-radioactive water into steam which then turns a turbine, condenses and runs through the system again.

They're two different systems, one's a conductor for heat, and the other isn't. both boil and condensate into two separate systems.

Did you actually read the part where it said that he wasn't going anywhere near the actual irradiated parts? Or that there WERE IRRADIATED PARTS? That he had to wear a protective suit? That there were sectioned off parts? That there was a MASSIVE POOL OF WATER JUST TO KEEP RADIATION OUT?

I'm starting to think you didn't.

Two types of radiation get through vacuums-- light, and electromagnetic. A nuclear reactor produces neither.

It's an aerostat. The lift gases produce enough lift to make it weigh the same amount as the air. You're right DeN. It does have to much drag. It is slow. It is cumbersome. Sounds like a flying naval craft, right? Besides, I'm pretty sure though that dirigibles aren't known for being aerodynamic, or speedy for that matter. The goal wasn't those two attributes, though. The goal was a durable airship suitable for combat against sea-borne or land-borne combatants, and the ability to act as a mobile command position.

URA, no one drinks ammonia. Nor will they breath it. Or swim in it, for that matter.

Uhh... Heh, that's funny. Because the radiation that comes off nuclear reactors? Well, that's Ionizing. That's electromagnetic. And know what else? All radiation can go through vacuums. Except heat radiation.

News flash. The thing won't be able to even get off the ground.

[Shyluz]

Fair point. That was my fuck up. But still, every time you say "it's too heavy," that's incorrect. It's an aerostat. It's not allowed to be too heavy. Now, I already said that I wouldn't use them in PW, so can we drop this please?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Fair point. That was my fuck up. But still, every time you say "it's too heavy," that's incorrect. It's an aerostat. It's not allowed to be too heavy. Now, I already said that I wouldn't use them in PW, so can we drop this please?

Yes. Lets drop this before I go even more batshit crazy.

[Congreveopia]

Sorry, got to get my two cents in because this is going to bug me otherwise. I'm just going to run a rough pass through and point out anything that I think is wrong based on my knowledge. If I make a mistake, call me out on it, I probably mis-remembered something. Then I'll give my estimate of the feasibility of Luftships.

Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine.

Dangerous comparison to make. Submarines and airships are very different because liquid water isn't a gas^{[citation needed]}. Water is incompressible, so as you rise and sink in it the density doesn't change, and density controls buoyancy. Air follows the ideal gas law, so density varies with pressure. So, a submarine can dive as deep as it wants and it won't encounter the "we're too buoyant to go deeper" problem, just the "oh god, the hull caved in" problem. Whereas an airship can have either the "we're not buoyant enough to go higher" or the "oh god, the envelope just exploded" problem.

I'm sorry, but radiation CAN go through vacuums.

Correct, for all types of radiation being discussed.

Ever wonder where stray x-rays come from?

I think it's alpha particles, beta particles, and gamma waves he'd be worried about from a nuclear reactor. If I remember right (I might not) alpha can be stopped by clothing, beta by thin metal, and gamma by thick lead, steel, or dirt. I don't know which of those the reactor will produce.

You'd be killed before takeoff.

Given all the working reactors, I assume there's a way to deal with gamma waves. You're right that it might be heavy, though.

Two types of radiation get through vacuums-- light, and electromagnetic. A nuclear reactor produces neither.

Light is electromagnetic. So are Gamma waves (alpha and beta particles are particle radiation, but they'll go through vacuums as well). And a nuclear reactor produces both the visual light from Cherenkov radiation (which looks epic) and other electromagnetic radiation.

It's an aerostat.

Isn't that just a word for airship with connotations of being tethered?

All radiation can go through vacuums.

Some people refer to sound as "acoustic radiation" but you can argue that's not a true radiation.

Except heat radiation.

Sure heat radiation can go through vacuums. It's... um... convection and conduction I think that can't? Heat radiation is photons, so it can travel through a vacuum. It's the heat transfers with use an intermediate medium that don't work in a vacuum.

I'm always in favor of more airships, so I want to encourage the Luftships. But I'll take it to TGs with Shyluz, because it's not really a PW thing I guess.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Sorry, got to get my two cents in because this is going to bug me otherwise. I'm just going to run a rough pass through and point out anything that I think is wrong based on my knowledge. If I make a mistake, call me out on it, I probably mis-remembered something. Then I'll give my estimate of the feasibility of Luftships.

Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine.

Dangerous comparison to make. Submarines and airships are very different because liquid water isn't a gas^{[citation needed]}. Water is incompressible, so as you rise and sink in it the density doesn't change, and density controls buoyancy. Air follows the ideal gas law, so density varies with pressure. So, a submarine can dive as deep as it wants and it won't encounter the "we're too buoyant to go deeper" problem, just the "oh god, the hull caved in" problem. Whereas an airship can have either the "we're not buoyant enough to go higher" or the "oh god, the envelope just exploded" problem.

I'm sorry, but radiation CAN go through vacuums.

Correct, for all types of radiation being discussed.

Ever wonder where stray x-rays come from?

I think it's alpha particles, beta particles, and gamma waves he'd be worried about from a nuclear reactor. If I remember right (I might not) alpha can be stopped by clothing, beta by thin metal, and gamma by thick lead, steel, or dirt. I don't know which of those the reactor will produce.

You'd be killed before takeoff.

Given all the working reactors, I assume there's a way to deal with gamma waves. You're right that it might be heavy, though.

Two types of radiation get through vacuums-- light, and electromagnetic. A nuclear reactor produces neither.

Light is electromagnetic. So are Gamma waves (alpha and beta particles are particle radiation, but they'll go through vacuums as well). And a nuclear reactor produces both the visual light from Cherenkov radiation (which looks epic) and other electromagnetic radiation.

It's an aerostat.

Isn't that just a word for airship with connotations of being tethered?

All radiation can go through vacuums.

Some people refer to sound as "acoustic radiation" but you can argue that's not a true radiation.

Except heat radiation.

Sure heat radiation can go through vacuums. It's... um... convection and conduction I think that can't? Heat radiation is photons, so it can travel through a vacuum. It's the heat transfers with use an intermediate medium that don't work in a vacuum.

I'm always in favor of more airships, so I want to encourage the Luftships. But I'll take it to TGs with Shyluz, because it's not really a PW thing I guess.

Mention less armor. I don't like the idea of armor. Oh and nuclear reactors. No me gusta.

[The United Remnants of America]

Sorry, got to get my two cents in because this is going to bug me otherwise. I'm just going to run a rough pass through and point out anything that I think is wrong based on my knowledge. If I make a mistake, call me out on it, I probably mis-remembered something. Then I'll give my estimate of the feasibility of Luftships.

Dangerous comparison to make. Submarines and airships are very different because liquid water isn't a gas^{[citation needed]}. Water is incompressible, so as you rise and sink in it the density doesn't change, and density controls buoyancy. Air follows the ideal gas law, so density varies with pressure. So, a submarine can dive as deep as it wants and it won't encounter the "we're too buoyant to go deeper" problem, just the "oh god, the hull caved in" problem. Whereas an airship can have either the "we're not buoyant enough to go higher" or the "oh god, the envelope just exploded" problem.


Correct, for all types of radiation being discussed.


I think it's alpha particles, beta particles, and gamma waves he'd be worried about from a nuclear reactor. If I remember right (I might not) alpha can be stopped by clothing, beta by thin metal, and gamma by thick lead, steel, or dirt. I don't know which of those the reactor will produce.


Given all the working reactors, I assume there's a way to deal with gamma waves. You're right that it might be heavy, though.


Light is electromagnetic. So are Gamma waves (alpha and beta particles are particle radiation, but they'll go through vacuums as well). And a nuclear reactor produces both the visual light from Cherenkov radiation (which looks epic) and other electromagnetic radiation.


Isn't that just a word for airship with connotations of being tethered?


Some people refer to sound as "acoustic radiation" but you can argue that's not a true radiation.


Sure heat radiation can go through vacuums. It's... um... convection and conduction I think that can't? Heat radiation is photons, so it can travel through a vacuum. It's the heat transfers with use an intermediate medium that don't work in a vacuum.

I'm always in favor of more airships, so I want to encourage the Luftships. But I'll take it to TGs with Shyluz, because it's not really a PW thing I guess.

Mention less armor. I don't like the idea of armor. Oh and nuclear reactors. No me gusta.

Armor is a waste on it. Not that it's feasible, just that you're wasting resources. If your airship has gotten so close as to be taken out with flak cannon or you can no longer rely on active air defenses, then your airship has striven to close. It's the same with a CVN in the water. If your aircraft carrier has gotten so close that it can be taken down with conventional cannon fire, then it's gotten way to close, or your entire defense picket has been wasted and you've already lost.

[Empire of Donner land]

Sorry, got to get my two cents in because this is going to bug me otherwise. I'm just going to run a rough pass through and point out anything that I think is wrong based on my knowledge. If I make a mistake, call me out on it, I probably mis-remembered something. Then I'll give my estimate of the feasibility of Luftships.

Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine.

Dangerous comparison to make. Submarines and airships are very different because liquid water isn't a gas^{[citation needed]}. Water is incompressible, so as you rise and sink in it the density doesn't change, and density controls buoyancy. Air follows the ideal gas law, so density varies with pressure. So, a submarine can dive as deep as it wants and it won't encounter the "we're too buoyant to go deeper" problem, just the "oh god, the hull caved in" problem. Whereas an airship can have either the "we're not buoyant enough to go higher" or the "oh god, the envelope just exploded" problem.

I'm sorry, but radiation CAN go through vacuums.

Correct, for all types of radiation being discussed.

Ever wonder where stray x-rays come from?

I think it's alpha particles, beta particles, and gamma waves he'd be worried about from a nuclear reactor. If I remember right (I might not) alpha can be stopped by clothing, beta by thin metal, and gamma by thick lead, steel, or dirt. I don't know which of those the reactor will produce.

You'd be killed before takeoff.

Given all the working reactors, I assume there's a way to deal with gamma waves. You're right that it might be heavy, though.

Two types of radiation get through vacuums-- light, and electromagnetic. A nuclear reactor produces neither.

Light is electromagnetic. So are Gamma waves (alpha and beta particles are particle radiation, but they'll go through vacuums as well). And a nuclear reactor produces both the visual light from Cherenkov radiation (which looks epic) and other electromagnetic radiation.

It's an aerostat.

Isn't that just a word for airship with connotations of being tethered?

All radiation can go through vacuums.

Some people refer to sound as "acoustic radiation" but you can argue that's not a true radiation.

Except heat radiation.

Sure heat radiation can go through vacuums. It's... um... convection and conduction I think that can't? Heat radiation is photons, so it can travel through a vacuum. It's the heat transfers with use an intermediate medium that don't work in a vacuum.

I'm always in favor of more airships, so I want to encourage the Luftships. But I'll take it to TGs with Shyluz, because it's not really a PW thing I guess.

That reminds me, did I say thanks for helping me with the OSS?

Thanksm

[Cybraxia]

I would've denied him. I hate androids.

And honestly, it doesn't sound plausible. At all, actually.

Denied who?

In any case, app's coming along alright, just need to work on the Armory list and the Specialty Gear list(s).

WIP

- Project Warfighter Application -

Name of Nation: Independant City-State of New Dawn Enterprises

Name of Group: New Dawn Private Security - Special Operations Taskforce (NDPS-SOT)

Name of Outfit: Maverick Hunters (Consists of Two Fireteams, Red and Blue)

Detailed Outfit Loadout:
Unified Gear (All Operators):

• M45-F Heavy Pistol
• M67 Fragmentation Grenades (x2)
• Signal Flare (x4 [Colors: Green, Red])
• M50 Smoke Grenades (x2)
• Welding/Cutting Tool
• NDPS-SOT Waypoint System

Unified Gear (Human Operators):

• New Dawn CODEC Cochlear Radio Implant
• Type 21 HF-Dagger
• First Aid Kit (x2)
• M51 Flashbang (x2)
• Miniature Remote Controlled Scout Drones [Ground Based](x2)

Unified "Gear" (Androids):

• Self Destruct Module [Radius: 3m]
• External EMP-proofing (Mild)
• Remote Control Software
• Octopus-Circuit Coating (can change color and texture of outer surface of the robot)

Specialty Gear (All Operators)



Appearance/Description of Operator:
([url=Place URL Here]Image[/url]) or [url=Place URL Here]Name of Outfit Here[/url]

Biography of Outfit:
Formed after the declaration of the City's independence, the Maverick Hunters takes the fight to threats against their people's safety.

Operators of the Outfit:
Red Team:
Major DLN-00 "Protoman"- Squad and Team Leader, Heavy Gunner
Lieutenant Maxine Douglas- Combat Life Saver, Support/Rifleman
Sergeant Gwenevere Taggart- Sharpshooter, Rifleman
Corporal Dell Coumans- Tech Expert, Support
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit R145-A "Daishi" - Rifleman
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit R145-B "Hawkunit" - Sharpshooter

Blue Team:
Captain Joseph Light Squad Leader, Assault Specialist/Rifleman
Lieutenant Heinrich Bauer - Rifleman, Tech Expert
Sergeant Marcia Drake - CQC Specialist
Corporal Morgan Stoli - Rifleman, Combat Life Saver
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit B145-A "Soylent Green" - Heavy Gunner
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit B145-B "FRAG-E" - Grenadier

RP Experience:
Same as in Previous App.


Techlevel: PMT

"Atlas Shrugged"(Do Not Delete)

Any Constructive Criticism welcome (as well as ideas for weapons and situational gear)

So I haven't got any opinions yet.

Thoughts so far?

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Gee, that's a lot of pages! Oh boy, I wonder what's been going on!
>"we should join RP X to defeat (hurr) person Y for OOC reasons! Mwahaha!"
>muh realism

Gee

[Empire of Donner land]

Gee, that's a lot of pages! Oh boy, I wonder what's been going on!
>"we should join RP X to defeat (hurr) person Y for OOC reasons! Mwahaha!"
>muh realism

Gee

Welcome back Dutch.

[Anowa]

Gee, that's a lot of pages! Oh boy, I wonder what's been going on!
>"we should join RP X to defeat (hurr) person Y for OOC reasons! Mwahaha!"
>muh realism

Gee

I'm so triggered right now you don't even know.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Gee, that's a lot of pages! Oh boy, I wonder what's been going on!
>"we should join RP X to defeat (hurr) person Y for OOC reasons! Mwahaha!"
>muh realism

Gee

I'm so triggered right now you don't even know.

I'll put up a "trigger warning" next time

[Anowa]

I'm so triggered right now you don't even know.

I'll put up a "trigger warning" next time

'Trigger' is one of my trigger words...

[Monfrox]

Gee, that's a lot of pages! Oh boy, I wonder what's been going on!
>"we should join RP X to defeat (hurr) person Y for OOC reasons! Mwahaha!"
>muh realism

Gee

I got that post up.

As usual, you guys are having some free reign over getting us in there on shore.

An exercise in initiative because I hate dragging people along.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

I'll hopefully get a post out in the afternoon.

[North Arkana]

... you scare me. Can I into Air Superiority if Direct IC is activated?

Arkana could do more than superiority, supremacy more likely.

More like Operation: ungeplante Ausfallzeiten muthafuckers!

And as for getting involved for OOC reasons... Hey, I need a good grudge every once in a while.