Project Warfighter: "Tier-One" RP Group, OPEN

[Shyluz]

What do you want me to clarify to you so that you believe it's within the realm of realism?

TG me the basics.

I just posted them.

Literally.

Systems differ between classes, just like regular boats, and I already stated I wouldn't involve them in PW. However, they will remain in my nations canon. If you wish to know about the Vlci class, I can go into more specifics.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

TG me the basics.

I just posted them.

Literally.

Systems differ between classes, just like regular boats, and I already stated I wouldn't involve them in PW. However, they will remain in my nations canon. If you wish to know about the Vlci class, I can go into more specifics.

Okay, fine.

I wish to know how you managed to get a nuclear reactor onto an airship, with shielding, WITH JET ENGINES, managed to strengthen the bloody frame so that it literally didn't get torn apart by the force of the jet engines, then managed to find a way to be control that airship's altitude. Oh, AND after all that, maintain actual flight.

[Shyluz]

I just posted them.

Literally.

Systems differ between classes, just like regular boats, and I already stated I wouldn't involve them in PW. However, they will remain in my nations canon. If you wish to know about the Vlci class, I can go into more specifics.

Okay, fine.

I wish to know how you managed to get a nuclear reactor onto an airship, with shielding, WITH JET ENGINES, managed to strengthen the bloody frame so that it literally didn't get torn apart by the force of the jet engines, then managed to find a way to be control that airship's altitude. Oh, AND after all that, maintain actual flight.

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

[Cybraxia]

Okay, fine.

I wish to know how you managed to get a nuclear reactor onto an airship, with shielding, WITH JET ENGINES, managed to strengthen the bloody frame so that it literally didn't get torn apart by the force of the jet engines, then managed to find a way to be control that airship's altitude. Oh, AND after all that, maintain actual flight.

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

Soooooo, basically a Zeppelin of a different design.

Neato.

[Shyluz]

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

Soooooo, basically a Zeppelin of a different design.

Neato.

Yeah.

[Anowa]

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

Soooooo, basically a Zeppelin of a different design.

Neato.

I see it more of a submarine that floats and uses gaseous and solid Ammonia instead of water, and electric turbines/ramjets instead of a propeller.

[Cybraxia]

Soooooo, basically a Zeppelin of a different design.

Neato.

Yeah.

Ever since rediscovering Crimson Skies, I've loved Zepps and interesting plane designs.

I think that IF i can find modern era plane designs that look cool, i might want to start up a modern day RP of CS. Your Zepp design looks like it'd be an interesting addition if you wanted to help out.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Okay, fine.

I wish to know how you managed to get a nuclear reactor onto an airship, with shielding, WITH JET ENGINES, managed to strengthen the bloody frame so that it literally didn't get torn apart by the force of the jet engines, then managed to find a way to be control that airship's altitude. Oh, AND after all that, maintain actual flight.

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

You're missing the part where you're spewing radioactive ammonia all over the inside, where the weight of the armor, reactor, and shielding makes the craft impossible. Oh, that and the extra fuel for the jets. Oh, yeah, and the need to be able to vent said radioactive ammonia. Or, like you said, you could do the slow process of freezing it, but then you need more weight for that... and

Yeah.

[Anowa]

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

You're missing the part where you're spewing radioactive ammonia all over the inside, where the weight of the armor, reactor, and shielding makes the craft impossible. Oh, that and the extra fuel for the jets. Oh, yeah, and the need to be able to vent said radioactive ammonia. Or, like you said, you could do the slow process of freezing it, but then you need more weight for that... and

Yeah.

...Why's the ammonia radioactive?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

You're missing the part where you're spewing radioactive ammonia all over the inside, where the weight of the armor, reactor, and shielding makes the craft impossible. Oh, that and the extra fuel for the jets. Oh, yeah, and the need to be able to vent said radioactive ammonia. Or, like you said, you could do the slow process of freezing it, but then you need more weight for that... and

Yeah.

...Why's the ammonia radioactive?

It has to be gaseous, and how do you do that with a nuclear reactor?

[Anowa]

...Why's the ammonia radioactive?

It has to be gaseous, and how do you do that with a nuclear reactor?

...Thermodynamics. You don't cook an egg on the element, you cook it on the pan.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

It has to be gaseous, and how do you do that with a nuclear reactor?

...Thermodynamics. You don't cook an egg on the element, you cook it on the pan.

Where do you think the ammonia would go? Next to the reactor? Oh, that's all fine and dandy until you realize there's nothing to conduct the heat to it.

[Shyluz]

Firstly, the same can be said about how one gets a nuclear reactor onto a conventional naval ship? Simple-- drydocks. Next, the mass of the plating weighs the craft down enough so that it moves at about the same speed as a conventional naval ship. Thirdly, the ships themselves are not literally balloons-- think more along the lines of a submarine, they have individual cells into which a buoyant substance is injected, creating lift. The jet engines, net, do not produce enough thrust to shear the craft apart, especially when said craft is designed specifically to be durable enough for combat. Altitude is simple-- ammonia can be refrigerated and used as ballast to maintain aerostatic buoyancy, or to sink and reheated to maintain neutral buoyancy or rise. Flight, by definition, is the use of wings to move through the air. As such, the term "flight" cannot be applied to a luftship. A more fitting term would be "sailing," and that is simple-- the use of said jet engines, using electricity from the nuclear reactor to power said engine's turbines, and compressed air to power the ramjet.

You're missing the part where you're spewing radioactive ammonia all over the inside, where the weight of the armor, reactor, and shielding makes the craft impossible. Oh, that and the extra fuel for the jets. Oh, yeah, and the need to be able to vent said radioactive ammonia. Or, like you said, you could do the slow process of freezing it, but then you need more weight for that... and

Yeah.

Okay. Did you miss the part where I said I could reuse the ammonia over and over? Because you can. It's efficiency goes down over time, yes, as it's cycled over and over. As for freezing it-- not that hard when you mainly operate in the upper atmosphere of Siberia. Even when you're not, you can just cover the cells, which are individual, and can be removed from a circuit quite easily. Radiation would be maintained in the individual cells of ammonia, which are composed of an inner layer of paper, a vacuum, and then another layer of this time aluminium. Radiation, just like heat, cannot go through a vacuum. These can be ditched later on, at resupply stations and such and not all of them are used as coolant. The jets are flipped on for takeoff-- generating a bit of airspeed and then kicking the ramjets on, fuel is such a minute amount of weight, it hardly matters. A gas' weight does change, yes, but then we reheat it, and thus the whole "frozen ammonia" bit is worthless-- the whole point of freezing it is to sink us? Why would the weight matter? Armor and shielding both participate in slowing airspeed, though you keep choosing to overlook that.

And then finally, as you seem to forget: with enough lifting gas, anything is possible.

[Anowa]

...Thermodynamics. You don't cook an egg on the element, you cook it on the pan.

Where do you think the ammonia would go? Next to the reactor? Oh, that's all fine and dandy until you realize there's nothing to conduct the heat to it.

Pipes with the liquid ammonia run through the boiling water (or whatever) surrounding the reactor, it then turns into gas and collects in the bladder. Soon after it condenses after cooling and turns back into liquid, only to run through the pipes again and do the same pattern again.

It's like a steam turbine, but without the turbine.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

You're missing the part where you're spewing radioactive ammonia all over the inside, where the weight of the armor, reactor, and shielding makes the craft impossible. Oh, that and the extra fuel for the jets. Oh, yeah, and the need to be able to vent said radioactive ammonia. Or, like you said, you could do the slow process of freezing it, but then you need more weight for that... and

Yeah.

Okay. Did you miss the part where I said I could reuse the ammonia over and over? Because you can. It's efficiency goes down over time, yes, as it's cycled over and over. As for freezing it-- not that hard when you mainly operate in the upper atmosphere of Siberia. Even when you're not, you can just cover the cells, which are individual, and can be removed from a circuit quite easily. Radiation would be maintained in the individual cells of ammonia, which are composed of an inner layer of paper, a vacuum, and then another layer of this time aluminium. Radiation, just like heat, cannot go through a vacuum. These can be ditched later on, at resupply stations and such and not all of them are used as coolant. The jets are flipped on for takeoff-- generating a bit of airspeed and then kicking the ramjets on, fuel is such a minute amount of weight, it hardly matters. A gas' weight does change, yes, but then we reheat it, and thus the whole "frozen ammonia" bit is worthless-- the whole point of freezing it is to sink us? Why would the weight matter? Armor and shielding both participate in slowing airspeed, though you keep choosing to overlook that.

And then finally, as you seem to forget: with enough lifting gas, anything is possible.

I'm sorry, but radiation CAN go through vacuums. Ever wonder where stray x-rays come from? You'd be killed before takeoff. And that's just from your reactor. Fuel for that thing would be IMMENSE. Not a 'minute weight'. Do you know how much it would WEIGH? How much DRAG it would have? Jesus, it would be like welding a dozen B-52s together. Weight matters for so many reasons, it's sad that you don't understand.

Do you know WHY the Hindenburg had a thin skin? Do you know WHY aircraft aren't impossibly heavy?

Speed, and lift. Why does a submarine sink when it fills up? The buoyancy is counteracted by the weight. And what are you gonna do, flash freeze and flash vaporize the ammonia? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Your airship would be so pathetically slow, so pathetically heavy, that just getting it airborne would be a heavy task. Moving the thing would be hard. And you wanted to use it for combat?

Where do you think the ammonia would go? Next to the reactor? Oh, that's all fine and dandy until you realize there's nothing to conduct the heat to it.

Pipes with the liquid ammonia run through the boiling water (or whatever) surrounding the reactor, it then turns into gas and collects in the bladder. Soon after it condenses after cooling and turns back into liquid, only to run through the pipes again and do the same pattern again.

It's like a steam turbine, but without the turbine.

Ammonia has a higher boiling point. By the time the water is a steam, the ammonia wouldn't really heat up. Even then, it would be radioactive still.

[The United Remnants of America]

I just posted them.

Literally.

Systems differ between classes, just like regular boats, and I already stated I wouldn't involve them in PW. However, they will remain in my nations canon. If you wish to know about the Vlci class, I can go into more specifics.

Okay, fine.

I wish to know how you managed to get a nuclear reactor onto an airship, with shielding, WITH JET ENGINES, managed to strengthen the bloody frame so that it literally didn't get torn apart by the force of the jet engines, then managed to find a way to be control that airship's altitude. Oh, AND after all that, maintain actual flight.

Wait wait.

He's flying the Prydwyn?

I love the Brotherhood of Steel.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Okay, fine.

I wish to know how you managed to get a nuclear reactor onto an airship, with shielding, WITH JET ENGINES, managed to strengthen the bloody frame so that it literally didn't get torn apart by the force of the jet engines, then managed to find a way to be control that airship's altitude. Oh, AND after all that, maintain actual flight.

Wait wait.

He's flying the Prydwyn?

I love the Brotherhood of Steel.

No. Just an incredibly impossible airship.

[Shyluz]

^ Higher boiling point. Ammonia boils at −28.01 °F. Water boils at 212 °F.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

^ Higher boiling point. Ammonia boils at −28.01 °F. Water boils at 212 °F.

That's..

That's lower boiling point.

You've got to be kidding me now. You're building an airship that you don't even mildly begin to understand, cannot even describe the science accurately, doesn't know the BASIC science behind it, and now want to argue with me about it?

[The United Remnants of America]

Wait wait.

He's flying the Prydwyn?

I love the Brotherhood of Steel.

No. Just an incredibly impossible airship.

I mean. CVN nuclear reactor with jet propulsion? That's what the Prydwyn uses. The only downside to it is that it burns through coolant so quickly and needs to be restocked with coolant in order to stop the reactor from overheating.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

No. Just an incredibly impossible airship.

I mean. CVN nuclear reactor with jet propulsion? That's what the Prydwyn uses. The only downside to it is that it burns through coolant so quickly and needs to be restocked with coolant in order to stop the reactor from overheating.

Not really. It's harder than that.

I was under the impression that ammonia had a higher boiling point than water. At least, that's what it looked like. Then I saw the bloody thing twice. I missed the part "higher than other gasses".

[Anowa]

Pipes with the liquid ammonia run through the boiling water (or whatever) surrounding the reactor, it then turns into gas and collects in the bladder. Soon after it condenses after cooling and turns back into liquid, only to run through the pipes again and do the same pattern again.

It's like a steam turbine, but without the turbine.

Ammonia has a higher boiling point. By the time the water is a steam, the ammonia wouldn't really heat up. Even then, it would be radioactive still.

Okay, I want to know. What planet are you living on in which radiation can transfer through water, through reasonably thick (8-10mm) steel pipe and then irradiate ammonia to an unsafe level?

[The United Remnants of America]

I mean. CVN nuclear reactor with jet propulsion? That's what the Prydwyn uses. The only downside to it is that it burns through coolant so quickly and needs to be restocked with coolant in order to stop the reactor from overheating.

Not really. It's harder than that.

I was under the impression that ammonia had a higher boiling point than water. At least, that's what it looked like. Then I saw the bloody thing twice. I missed the part "higher than other gasses".

Actually, that's a thing. Some newer power plants use an ammonia-water solution to act as a coolant/refrigerant due to the wide boiling range of the mixture. While it's mainly for geothermal plants, a similar structure could technically work as a nuclear cooling system, since it works already.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Ammonia has a higher boiling point. By the time the water is a steam, the ammonia wouldn't really heat up. Even then, it would be radioactive still.

Okay, I want to know. What planet are you living on in which radiation can transfer through water, through reasonably thick (8-10mm) steel pipe and then irradiate ammonia to an unsafe level?

I'm living on earth.

Ever heard of Chernobyl? No? Three Mile Island? No? Steam explosions? No? Bikini Atoll? No? Any nuclear reactor? No? Nuclear submarines? No?

What world are YOU living on?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Not really. It's harder than that.

I was under the impression that ammonia had a higher boiling point than water. At least, that's what it looked like. Then I saw the bloody thing twice. I missed the part "higher than other gasses".

Actually, that's a thing. Some newer power plants use an ammonia-water solution to act as a coolant/refrigerant due to the wide boiling range of the mixture. While it's mainly for geothermal plants, a similar structure could technically work as a nuclear cooling system, since it works already.

That's what I was mentioning. I was saying use it as a coolant to save weight.