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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:18 pm

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...How long, what temperature, and how scorched do you want them?


The ATLAS bad application judgement.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=364766&start=425

Last post, page 18. Already tried to TG the dude. I mean I RIPPED this dude. Since he obviously hadn't taken my previous posts and my factbook into account.


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Postby North Arkana » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:32 pm

ISAF-Usea wrote:Thanks Arkana.

This one is quite recalcitrant... Direct IC intervention may be required... Possibly annihilation of his homeland...

*pushes up scary shiny glasses on nose*

But that would be too easy.
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:43 pm

North Arkana wrote:
ISAF-Usea wrote:Thanks Arkana.

This one is quite recalcitrant... Direct IC intervention may be required... Possibly annihilation of his homeland...

*pushes up scary shiny glasses on nose*

But that would be too easy.


... you scare me. Can I into Air Superiority if Direct IC is activated?
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:46 pm

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North Arkana wrote:This one is quite recalcitrant... Direct IC intervention may be required... Possibly annihilation of his homeland...

*pushes up scary shiny glasses on nose*

But that would be too easy.


... you scare me. Can I into Air Superiority if Direct IC is activated?

Arkana could do more than superiority, supremacy more likely.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:52 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
... you scare me. Can I into Air Superiority if Direct IC is activated?

Arkana could do more than superiority, supremacy more likely.


Does DEN need to kick ass now?
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:09 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
... you scare me. Can I into Air Superiority if Direct IC is activated?

Arkana could do more than superiority, supremacy more likely.


Fair point... but I mean, LUFTSHIPS.
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:09 pm

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Empire of Donner land wrote:Arkana could do more than superiority, supremacy more likely.


Fair point... but I mean, LUFTSHIPS.

Luftships?
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:31 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
Fair point... but I mean, LUFTSHIPS.

Luftships?


LUFTSHIPS.
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Luftship
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A type of dirigible craft originating in the second world war, during which the newly formed nation of Shyluz employed them nearly exclusively in the defense of it's sovereignty, both from Nazi Germany and the splintering Soviet Union. Unlike many dirigibles, instead of the helium/hydrogen balloon design, a luftship uses boiled ammonia, which in it's gaseous form is lighter than air, inside internal cells placed along the 'keel' of the craft. This cells are kept at boiling heat, and many of the Foundation Era (1942-1967) luftships relied on boiler power, thus heavily limiting their range. Western Insurgency Era (1968-current) use nuclear reactors, the ammonia being boiled through use as a coolant before being redistributed to cells around the craft. Forward propulsion in modern luftships is generally achieved by using a large ramjet assembly powered direct from the reactor.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:40 pm

Shyluz wrote:
Empire of Donner land wrote:Luftships?


LUFTSHIPS.
I.L.S.S. Sirius, a Vlci Class Command Frigate

Luftship
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A type of dirigible craft originating in the second world war, during which the newly formed nation of Shyluz employed them nearly exclusively in the defense of it's sovereignty, both from Nazi Germany and the splintering Soviet Union. Unlike many dirigibles, instead of the helium/hydrogen balloon design, a luftship uses boiled ammonia, which in it's gaseous form is lighter than air, inside internal cells placed along the 'keel' of the craft. This cells are kept at boiling heat, and many of the Foundation Era (1942-1967) luftships relied on boiler power, thus heavily limiting their range. Western Insurgency Era (1968-current) use nuclear reactors, the ammonia being boiled through use as a coolant before being redistributed to cells around the craft. Forward propulsion in modern luftships is generally achieved by using a large ramjet assembly powered direct from the reactor.


No
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:41 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
LUFTSHIPS.
I.L.S.S. Sirius, a Vlci Class Command Frigate

Luftship
luft-ship
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A type of dirigible craft originating in the second world war, during which the newly formed nation of Shyluz employed them nearly exclusively in the defense of it's sovereignty, both from Nazi Germany and the splintering Soviet Union. Unlike many dirigibles, instead of the helium/hydrogen balloon design, a luftship uses boiled ammonia, which in it's gaseous form is lighter than air, inside internal cells placed along the 'keel' of the craft. This cells are kept at boiling heat, and many of the Foundation Era (1942-1967) luftships relied on boiler power, thus heavily limiting their range. Western Insurgency Era (1968-current) use nuclear reactors, the ammonia being boiled through use as a coolant before being redistributed to cells around the craft. Forward propulsion in modern luftships is generally achieved by using a large ramjet assembly powered direct from the reactor.


No


No? :(

Ah, well.

Edit -- Just for the sake of making it known, I was never going to involve one of these in PW. It was theoretical approach with dealing with a godmodder. For some reason I think it'd be impractical to drag along what amounts to a naval force around with a spec ops unit.
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Postby Congreveopia » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:10 pm

Shyluz wrote:
Empire of Donner land wrote:Luftships?


LUFTSHIPS.
I.L.S.S. Sirius, a Vlci Class Command Frigate

Luftship
luft-ship
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A type of dirigible craft originating in the second world war, during which the newly formed nation of Shyluz employed them nearly exclusively in the defense of it's sovereignty, both from Nazi Germany and the splintering Soviet Union. Unlike many dirigibles, instead of the helium/hydrogen balloon design, a luftship uses boiled ammonia, which in it's gaseous form is lighter than air, inside internal cells placed along the 'keel' of the craft. This cells are kept at boiling heat, and many of the Foundation Era (1942-1967) luftships relied on boiler power, thus heavily limiting their range. Western Insurgency Era (1968-current) use nuclear reactors, the ammonia being boiled through use as a coolant before being redistributed to cells around the craft. Forward propulsion in modern luftships is generally achieved by using a large ramjet assembly powered direct from the reactor.

We have got to contrive circumstances for one of these things to fight one of my MAAPS at some point to see what happens.
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:14 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
LUFTSHIPS.
I.L.S.S. Sirius, a Vlci Class Command Frigate

Luftship
luft-ship
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A type of dirigible craft originating in the second world war, during which the newly formed nation of Shyluz employed them nearly exclusively in the defense of it's sovereignty, both from Nazi Germany and the splintering Soviet Union. Unlike many dirigibles, instead of the helium/hydrogen balloon design, a luftship uses boiled ammonia, which in it's gaseous form is lighter than air, inside internal cells placed along the 'keel' of the craft. This cells are kept at boiling heat, and many of the Foundation Era (1942-1967) luftships relied on boiler power, thus heavily limiting their range. Western Insurgency Era (1968-current) use nuclear reactors, the ammonia being boiled through use as a coolant before being redistributed to cells around the craft. Forward propulsion in modern luftships is generally achieved by using a large ramjet assembly powered direct from the reactor.

We have got to contrive circumstances for one of these things to fight one of my MAAPS at some point to see what happens.


I know right! The epic airship v. airship battle of the century!

Unfortunately, it seems DeN cannot into appreciation of my research (I spent a seriously long time figuring out specs for them, all the way through each Era too, I've got diesel ones, I've got Cold War ones, I've got 2000s ones, and I've got 2010+ ones, and even pure FT ones that run purely theoretically!)
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Postby Congreveopia » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:25 pm

Shyluz wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:We have got to contrive circumstances for one of these things to fight one of my MAAPS at some point to see what happens.


I know right! The epic airship v. airship battle of the century!

Unfortunately, it seems DeN cannot into appreciation of my research (I spent a seriously long time figuring out specs for them, all the way through each Era too, I've got diesel ones, I've got Cold War ones, I've got 2000s ones, and I've got 2010+ ones, and even pure FT ones that run purely theoretically!)

Man, those diesel ones must be a logistics challenge. The entire platform is grounded without fuel, if I understood the design correctly.

Anyways, do you have those specs posted somewhere? I didn't see them on your factbook. I'd like to check them out, if you don't mind.
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:29 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
I know right! The epic airship v. airship battle of the century!

Unfortunately, it seems DeN cannot into appreciation of my research (I spent a seriously long time figuring out specs for them, all the way through each Era too, I've got diesel ones, I've got Cold War ones, I've got 2000s ones, and I've got 2010+ ones, and even pure FT ones that run purely theoretically!)

Man, those diesel ones must be a logistics challenge. The entire platform is grounded without fuel, if I understood the design correctly.

Anyways, do you have those specs posted somewhere? I didn't see them on your factbook. I'd like to check them out, if you don't mind.


Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:31 pm

Shyluz wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:Man, those diesel ones must be a logistics challenge. The entire platform is grounded without fuel, if I understood the design correctly.

Anyways, do you have those specs posted somewhere? I didn't see them on your factbook. I'd like to check them out, if you don't mind.


Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)

I'm guessing due to their sheer size that refueling aircraft won't help.
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Postby Anowa » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:33 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)

I'm guessing due to their sheer size that refueling aircraft won't help.

Maybe they have refuelling luftships, after all compounded problems is what the military's for.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:56 pm

Shyluz wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:Man, those diesel ones must be a logistics challenge. The entire platform is grounded without fuel, if I understood the design correctly.

Anyways, do you have those specs posted somewhere? I didn't see them on your factbook. I'd like to check them out, if you don't mind.


Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)


Can you present me the physics?
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Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)


Can you present me the physics?


All they need is Jewish physics! :p
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:12 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)


Can you present me the physics?

What's with you guys and not allowing people to have a little fun with their creations? :P
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:20 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Shyluz wrote:
Nah, I 'ave 'em on a notebook around here somewhere. I'll find it later. And yes, they are. Thats why their range was so limited-- they had to have fuel. So, back then, you would have huge luftship fields on the Western Frontier to defend from the Germans and Old Soviets. They would only take off when an enemy was in visible sight. Even then, you'd only have enough for combat maneuvers and landings. Back in those days, though, we were mostly on the defensive, so range wasn't a major concern. :)


Can you present me the physics?


You have accepted a team with androids, can you present me the physics? :eyebrow:

No, I can't at the moment, and as I said, I lost my notes. But, knowing that the boiling point of ammonia is actually quite high (−33.34 °C, −28.01 °F; 239.81 K)compared to other LtA gases, such as helium and hydrogen, the heat from a nuclear fission reactor (7.2 × 1013 joules per kilogram of uranium-235) is absolutely enough to boil ammonia, with sufficient routing and positioning, a dirigible is capable of using ammonia as a lifter. It's actually used today in weather balloons as a lifter. A ramjet is merely a type of engine that uses forward motion to produce thrust much more efficiently than a standard jet, and luftships use a hybrid system, which provide initial thrust through conventional electric jets before swapping to a ramjet system.

With enough lifting gas, anything is possible in the realms of dirigibles.

Especially since I'm openly an Early-PMT nation. I have only ever put things that can work in theory, and in practice, though haven't been done yet due to logistics or a lack of the need. I don't have man-portable railguns simply because they don't have a practical power source. On the other hand, conventional naval craft IRL are nuclear powered all the time. We use ammonia dirigibles IRL all the time. The only thing different about my design is the surprising lack of a visible system of lift. The other reasons pointing towards ammonia are numerous-- refrigerate it, and you have a means of refillable, closed-circuit ballast which could be reused forever. Which is very useful for submarines, and the same can be said for dirigibles. Truly, the picture is the one non-super realistic/plausible feature of the luftship, and unfortunately yes, the image is of a spacecraft. Oh well, the actual thing is grounded in real, hard, modern science.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:42 pm

I would've denied him. I hate androids.

And honestly, it doesn't sound plausible. At all, actually.
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Postby Shyluz » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:46 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:I would've denied him. I hate androids.

And honestly, it doesn't sound plausible. At all, actually.


What do you want me to clarify to you so that you believe it's within the realm of realism?
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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:48 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:I would've denied him. I hate androids.

And honestly, it doesn't sound plausible. At all, actually.


Denied who?

In any case, app's coming along alright, just need to work on the Armory list and the Specialty Gear list(s).

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- Project Warfighter Application -

Name of Nation: Independant City-State of New Dawn Enterprises

Name of Group: New Dawn Private Security - Special Operations Taskforce (NDPS-SOT)

Name of Outfit: Maverick Hunters (Consists of Two Fireteams, Red and Blue)

Detailed Outfit Loadout:
Unified Gear (All Operators):
  • M45-F Heavy Pistol
  • M67 Fragmentation Grenades (x2)
  • Signal Flare (x4 [Colors: Green, Red])
  • M50 Smoke Grenades (x2)
  • Welding/Cutting Tool
  • NDPS-SOT Waypoint System
Unified Gear (Human Operators):
  • New Dawn CODEC Cochlear Radio Implant
  • Type 21 HF-Dagger
  • First Aid Kit (x2)
  • M51 Flashbang (x2)
  • Miniature Remote Controlled Scout Drones [Ground Based](x2)
Unified "Gear" (Androids):
  • Self Destruct Module [Radius: 3m]
  • External EMP-proofing (Mild)
  • Remote Control Software
  • Octopus-Circuit Coating (can change color and texture of outer surface of the robot)
Specialty Gear
Model 30 Octo-Camo Sneaking Suits (Similar to the OCC for the drones)
Model 22 Skeleton Suit + Integrated Grappling Hook
Model 23 Carapace Armor
Model 10 Supplement Vests


Appearance/Description of Operator:
([url=Place URL Here]Image[/url]) or [url=Place URL Here]Name of Outfit Here[/url]

Biography of Outfit:
Formed after the declaration of the City's independence, the Maverick Hunters takes the fight to threats against their people's safety.

Operators of the Outfit:
Red Team:
Major DLN-00 "Protoman"- Squad and Team Leader, Heavy Gunner
Lieutenant Maxine Douglas- Combat Life Saver, Support/Rifleman
Sergeant Gwenevere Taggart- Sharpshooter, Rifleman
Corporal Dell Coumans- Tech Expert, Support
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit R145-A "Daishi" - Rifleman
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit R145-B "Hawkunit" - Sharpshooter

Blue Team:
Captain Joseph Light Squad Leader, Assault Specialist/Rifleman
Lieutenant Heinrich Bauer - Rifleman, Tech Expert
Sergeant Marcia Drake - CQC Specialist
Corporal Morgan Stoli - Rifleman, Combat Life Saver
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit B145-A "Soylent Green" - Heavy Gunner
SOT-C Autonomous Bipedal Unit B145-B "FRAG-E" - Grenadier

RP Experience:
Same as in Previous App.


Techlevel: PMT

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Any Constructive Criticism welcome (as well as ideas for weapons and situational gear)
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:50 pm

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Die erworbenen Namen wrote:I would've denied him. I hate androids.

And honestly, it doesn't sound plausible. At all, actually.


What do you want me to clarify to you so that you believe it's within the realm of realism?


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