Project Warfighter: "Tier-One" RP Group, OPEN

[Vangaziland]

Quick question, how is this ATLAS program run. Are they all assigned to an ATLAS base? Or are they on their own, just ready to be called by the organization if needed?

[Congreveopia]

Quick question, how is this ATLAS program run. Are they all assigned to an ATLAS base? Or are they on their own, just ready to be called by the organization if needed?

Short answer: No idea.

Long answer: The first RP had us all arrive at a Emmerian carrier for the RP. In Olympia and Helios it was implied that we all started in the same place, which was probably the Emmerian carrier again. In Necropolis, our squads were living on the carrier when it became infested with zombies and someone tried to ram it into a city, but the RP died before it was resolved what happened. Then in Ceasar and Dark Sun (our first ones not run by Emmeria), the RPs opened with our squads all making their own way to some sort of preparation base. Also, there's been talk of reviving Necropolis where it left off, which will mutilate project warfighter's cannon if anyone dies in it who is then alive in a subsequent RP.

So, I think the closest thing we have to a cannon for the base protocol is this:
-At the beginning of ATLAS, everyone arrived on an Emmerian Carrier.
-We used that as a base until something bad happened to it in Necropolis.
-After that, we all scattered to our own bases until a new ATLAS base could be found.
-Eventually we'll have a new group base, maybe.

Definitely for Dark Sun, it works best if your squad isn't on an ATLAS base when the abduction takes place. They should be deployed somewhere, or on a base of yours, or on leave, or something else in the same vein.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

I think yes and no. We have the ability to be on a base previously made for us, or in some cases a carrier, but that doesn't mean we do.

[Vangaziland]

I see. So let's say my team joins in and is also waiting for this new base. I'll figure out a cool spot for them in the meantime. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I think that will help us new additions get into this RP. I'm mentally working on my first post as we speak. It's a long process, me starting a new RP...

[Congreveopia]

I think yes and no. We have the ability to be on a base previously made for us, or in some cases a carrier, but that doesn't mean we do.

Personally, I really think that a Doom Zeppelin is exactly what ATLAS needs to achieve its full potential. Spec ops squads are cool. Fight is cool. Doom Fortresses are cool. If we had all of that we would be like... triple cool. Assuming coolness is additive. If its multiplicative we'd just be normal cool unless we can get some double cool in there. Maybe it's a complex formula like

cool(x) = x^x

Then we would be nonacool. Or if it's cool(x) = x!, we could be hexacool. Maybe we could look for the derivative of cool and integrate to find the formula. Anyone have any idea what d/dx of cool(x) equals?

[Vancon]

I think yes and no. We have the ability to be on a base previously made for us, or in some cases a carrier, but that doesn't mean we do.

Personally, I really think that a Doom Zeppelin is exactly what ATLAS needs to achieve its full potential. Spec ops squads are cool. Fight is cool. Doom Fortresses are cool. If we had all of that we would be like... triple cool. Assuming coolness is additive. If its multiplicative we'd just be normal cool unless we can get some double cool in there. Maybe it's a complex formula like

cool(x) = x^x

Then we would be nonacool. Or if it's cool(x) = x!, we could be hexacool. Maybe we could look for the derivative of cool and integrate to find the formula. Anyone have any idea what d/dx of cool(x) equals?

BROYES

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Odd question...

What... exactly.. is a "tier one" unit?

[Vancon]

Odd question...

What... exactly.. is a "tier one" unit?

If you have numerous classifications of spec ops, first would be one of the extreme ends of your spectrum

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Odd question...

What... exactly.. is a "tier one" unit?

If you have numerous classifications of spec ops, first would be one of the extreme ends of your spectrum

Ah, so that would place my unit 'officially' at tier 3.
-I've got two tiers of badass above what is currently in this RP. Although I haven't really RPed any of it outside of planning/formation and more-or-less setting groundwork for starting/ending wars...

Unofficially, my squad is still comprised of an organic super-computer and the burnt-out (loyal) remnants of a spec-ops team that conquered more post-apocalyptic scenarios than I can easily remember with little more than the shirts on their backs and a spoon.
(and some didn't even get a shirt, in the case of poor Alexi...)

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

I love how everyone states that "This is my best of the best. Can beat yours in a fight" When really, we A) Can't... really know that, as it's bound by YOUR skills, B.) Prooooobably don't know how to tier off our own Special Forces, C) Reeeeaaalllly haven't tested them out, D) Assume god almighty, and E) All of the above.

I mean, honestly, I'd love to say my Death Korps are better than yours in everything, but... in all actuality.... how would I know? Whats the limit?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I thought your D/K is actually pretty spiffy.

I love how everyone states that "This is my best of the best. Can beat yours in a fight" When really, we A) Can't... really know that, as it's bound by YOUR skills, B.) Prooooobably don't know how to tier off our own Special Forces, C) Reeeeaaalllly haven't tested them out, D) Assume god almighty, and E) All of the above.

I mean, honestly, I'd love to say my Death Korps are better than yours in everything, but... in all actuality.... how would I know? Whats the limit?

I think the closest I've come to a tier 1 RP was to make an independent multi-national spy-ring using soldiers and politicians with certain talents.
-At least half the posts were part of a broader code and I still 'vet' players in case I'm dealing with an alt-account.

In short, we made a mess of a 'harmless training exercise' and ended up depopulating an island of all life, including the new recruits. Then successfully blamed it on someone else just in time to detonate some nuclear weapons that obviously could not have been ours.. so they must've been captured in-situ?
-This ended up fragmenting several alliances for a number of years and managed to allow them all to become allies to one country, and enemies to another.

OOCly, it was successfully proposing a WA-resolution with this account, and sparking a debate that still questions the rights of invaders/defenders vs Neutral Regions.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

My point, however is that no matter what, the Spec Ops of ours is all determined by our skills. Sucks, eh?

Still, grazie.

[Vangaziland]

Odd question...

What... exactly.. is a "tier one" unit?

Tier One has nothing to do with being better than anyone else. Tier One means their focus is on combat for emergencies or stealth. For example, they are units like Delta Force, DEVGRU or the SAS. Other units like the Army Rangers or the Green Berets also often do conventional warfare or do tasks like training foreign militaries.

A tier one unit only comes out for emergencies or stealthy ops of the highest priority.

I'm not sure what you meant to say with that long post about units only being as good as someone writes, Namen, but it doesn't quite make sense. By saying this is a tier one RP, it means you have your nation's most highly trained and well equipped fire team or squad, or at least one of them.

RPs like this should not be a competition. This is cooperative, just like real tier one units do in real life.

[Vangaziland]

My point, however is that no matter what, the Spec Ops of ours is all determined by our skills. Sucks, eh?

Still, grazie.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_One_(military)

Feel free to read about what Tier One means... One nation's tier One might have another focus, like how Delta Force is counterterrorism and the SEALS have a strong maritime focus. The VSF1 have an alpine focus. It's all about variety and fact book building.

If one doesn't understand the concept of tier one, maybe they shouldn't rush to judge other people.

I hope my few years in the Military and my decade of RPing will help me write my tier one unit realistically. And it sounded perfectly realistic to me that the JTAC could be taken possibly. But having another nation take one of my operators hostage does sound a little "iffy". How are we supposed to respond to that? I'm not sure about Dark Sun...

But that has nothing to do with one unit being better than another. It's just a plot. I'm not sure it's a plot that I can go along with. Because I can't imagine a Delta Force operative being kidnapped by some international organization and then the U.S. just forgives and forgets... Or any Spetznaz or SAS or Aussie SAS or even non tier one assets like a United States Marine or standard Army infantryman. No tier one units really take the attitude of establishing hierarchies about which unit is stronger. They do all have the attitude that they are the best at what they do. But the allied nations work together.

Namen, who were you referring to with your post? Because if it was me, you erred in judgement...

Also, if you have a whole Corps, then it is probably not tier one. Maybe one or two squads or fire teams stand out as the best in that Corps. But part of tier one comes from smaller numbers receiving a lot of funding. A whole Corps would be more like the Army Rangers or US Marines... They fall under SOCOM, but they would have a wider mission range.

[The GAmeTopians]

My point, however is that no matter what, the Spec Ops of ours is all determined by our skills. Sucks, eh?

Still, grazie.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_One_(military)

Feel free to read about what Tier One means... One nation's tier One might have another focus, like how Delta Force is counterterrorism and the SEALS have a strong maritime focus. The VSF1 have an alpine focus. It's all about variety and fact book building.

If one doesn't understand the concept of tier one, maybe they shouldn't rush to judge other people.

I hope my few years in the Military and my decade of RPing will help me write my tier one unit realistically. And it sounded perfectly realistic to me that the JTAC could be taken possibly. But having another nation take one of my operators hostage does sound a little "iffy". How are we supposed to respond to that? I'm not sure about Dark Sun...

But that has nothing to do with one unit being better than another. It's just a plot. I'm not sure it's a plot that I can go along with. Because I can't imagine a Delta Force operative being kidnapped by some international organization and then the U.S. just forgives and forgets... Or any Spetznaz or SAS or Aussie SAS or even non tier one assets like a United States Marine or standard Army infantryman. No tier one units really take the attitude of establishing hierarchies about which unit is stronger. They do all have the attitude that they are the best at what they do. But the allied nations work together.

Namen, who were you referring to with your post? Because if it was me, you erred in judgement...

Also, if you have a whole Corps, then it is probably not tier one. Maybe one or two squads or fire teams stand out as the best in that Corps. But part of tier one comes from smaller numbers receiving a lot of funding. A whole Corps would be more like the Army Rangers or US Marines... They fall under SOCOM, but they would have a wider mission range.

I tink I can answer yourquestion as to how the kidnapping will work.
One or more teams will kidnap the target, then minutes afterward either Nexus or Wheatley will contact the relevant squad, telling them that their team member was kidnap by multinational terrorists that have a base in the Royal Empire of the GAmeTopians. If they don't believe it... (To be honest I'll have a Heavy Armored task force on standby for damage control)

[Vangaziland]

So then what are we supposed to do? Fight the armored unit? My first instinct as a former Forward Observer would be to call indirect fire, probably cruise missiles since we can't just fly aircraft into your nation. There would be casualties. I understand the angle you are trying to do. I just don't think its a plot I can go along with. I'll wait until the next RP to join. It would be possible to extract a hostage completely stealthily, but I would imagine someone would get killed along the way, some guard or something.

I don't want the aspect of competition because some people will approach it as if one unit is better than another's. That's why I don't do the standard nation vs nation war RP. It's hard for a veteran to RP military with Call Of Duty/Airsoft "operators"... Even though I love Call of Duty and Airsoft.

[The GAmeTopians]

So then what are we supposed to do? Fight the armored unit? My first instinct as a former Forward Observer would be to call indirect fire, probably cruise missiles since we can't just fly aircraft into your nation. There would be casualties. I understand the angle you are trying to do. I just don't think its a plot I can go along with. I'll wait until the next RP to join. It would be possible to extract a hostage completely stealthily, but I would imagine someone would get killed along the way, some guard or something.

I don't want the aspect of competition because some people will approach it as if one unit is better than another's. That's why I don't do the standard nation vs nation war RP. It's hard for a veteran to RP military with Call Of Duty/Airsoft "operators"... Even though I love Call of Duty and Airsoft.

... You're supposed to go along with it, not fight the armored unit(s)...

[Congreveopia]

The political implications of the kidnapping were a concern for me as well. Congreveopia can probably make sure Hale Isles plays along, because Congreveopia still basically owns the Hale Isles, just a lot less obviously than we did back in the days when it was a colony, but we'd use a lot of political capital doing so, and the Congreveopia-Hale Isles relationship is probably the best case scenario for kidnapper-kidnapee. I think that we really need the commanders of the units we're kidnapping members from to be in on the plot so that they can make sure their team is sent to find its missing squad member, rather than a drone being sent to level the building and accept the squad member as a casualty.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Jesus Christ Almighty. I make an observation about our own RP skills and knowledge and how they relate to this, and suddenly someone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about and that my ten-twenty man unit has 50k in it.

[Congreveopia]

Jesus Christ Almighty. I make an observation about our own RP skills and knowledge and how they relate to this, and suddenly someone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about and that my ten-twenty man unit has 50k in it.

I think you attempted to make a valid point, and I think some people interpreted it as you making an offensive remark about their skills. I don't know where communication broke down or whose fault is is, and I'm not in a mood to go searching right now.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Jesus Christ Almighty. I make an observation about our own RP skills and knowledge and how they relate to this, and suddenly someone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about and that my ten-twenty man unit has 50k in it.

I think you attempted to make a valid point, and I think some people interpreted it as you making an offensive remark about their skills. I don't know where communication broke down or whose fault is is, and I'm not in a mood to go searching right now.

Yeah, it's not worth it to go back and bother people about it.

So then what are we supposed to do? Fight the armored unit? My first instinct as a former Forward Observer would be to call indirect fire, probably cruise missiles since we can't just fly aircraft into your nation. There would be casualties. I understand the angle you are trying to do. I just don't think its a plot I can go along with. I'll wait until the next RP to join. It would be possible to extract a hostage completely stealthily, but I would imagine someone would get killed along the way, some guard or something.

I don't want the aspect of competition because some people will approach it as if one unit is better than another's. That's why I don't do the standard nation vs nation war RP. It's hard for a veteran to RP military with Call Of Duty/Airsoft "operators"... Even though I love Call of Duty and Airsoft.

Call of Battlefield 9025: unmodern warfare. Gotta git me some 420 noscope 360 blaze it quick scope brah. Need dat choppa


Naw... But there will be fighting. And we DID say this isn't call of duty 39 or whatever.

[Vangaziland]

I think you attempted to make a valid point, and I think some people interpreted it as you making an offensive remark about their skills. I don't know where communication broke down or whose fault is is, and I'm not in a mood to go searching right now.

Yeah, it's not worth it to go back and bother people about it.

So then what are we supposed to do? Fight the armored unit? My first instinct as a former Forward Observer would be to call indirect fire, probably cruise missiles since we can't just fly aircraft into your nation. There would be casualties. I understand the angle you are trying to do. I just don't think its a plot I can go along with. I'll wait until the next RP to join. It would be possible to extract a hostage completely stealthily, but I would imagine someone would get killed along the way, some guard or something.

I don't want the aspect of competition because some people will approach it as if one unit is better than another's. That's why I don't do the standard nation vs nation war RP. It's hard for a veteran to RP military with Call Of Duty/Airsoft "operators"... Even though I love Call of Duty and Airsoft.

Call of Battlefield 9025: unmodern warfare. Gotta git me some 420 noscope 360 blaze it quick scope brah. Need dat choppa


Naw... But there will be fighting. And we DID say this isn't call of duty 39 or whatever.

I'm glad you guys have everything planned out to not be too fake, like a CoD 39. I'm just saying there was a little hostility in that post of yours and just because I called it out, doesn't mean I am against you. That angry tone is going to cause others to get an angry tone and it will just spiral out of control. For no good reason. So if you don't want someone to come back defensively, maybe you shouldn't use sarcastic phrases or try to put people down in a way that they just have to take. Instead of talking about how people don't know anything, how about you put your ego in your pocket and explain things or send someone a link so they can understand tier one?

I mean no offense. But you were insinuating that someone didn't know what they were talking about. I'm making sure you know that I do. And that it actually is not about who is a "better" role player. It is about people writing together! So don't get hostile please?

And as far as the plot, they would be told in the call that the event was planned and that they would have to go on a training exercise to get them back.. They would know it was a test and that the base the person is held up in a mock base. Okay. If they knew it was planned as soon as the person went Missing, they would understand. If that's the case I can do that! I just thought you meant it as if they never found out until after the rescue.

[The GAmeTopians]

I had intended for them to not find out until the end, but Congrev thinks that might not be possible.

[Vangaziland]

Yeah it would be harder to be more believable. I see what you mean. It's just that most forces wouldn't try to evacuate the hostage in a stealthy way. There are a type of paintball bullets called Sim rounds that would make for a somewhat realistic exercise. Or we could use the laser system of miles gear... Really a mix of both would be ideal... Sim rounds for the rifles... MILES laser sensors for bigger targets for CAS and the like..

I'm sure any operatives would fight with the same intensity whether it was real or fake. I just asked questions so I knew what was happening before I just stumbled in, you know? I think this has been a useful conversation. Thanks everyone.

[Ontorisa]

I love how everyone states that "This is my best of the best. Can beat yours in a fight" When really, we A) Can't... really know that, as it's bound by YOUR skills, B.) Prooooobably don't know how to tier off our own Special Forces, C) Reeeeaaalllly haven't tested them out, D) Assume god almighty, and E) All of the above.

I mean, honestly, I'd love to say my Death Korps are better than yours in everything, but... in all actuality.... how would I know? Whats the limit?

Honestly, if I didn't use SOG Hellspawn, I would certainly use the Ontorisan Ranger regiments. Their performance in Cauja (specifically the 73rd's) was spectacular, holding out in the siege of Caujasburg until friendly reinforcements could relieve them.