Project Warfighter: "Tier-One" RP Group, OPEN

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

I'm 97% sure that no special forces in their right mind would ever field weapons with any kind of flashy finish like bronze or nickel.

Call of Duty force would .

Cong, I throw money at everything XD My government only funds education and defense, and most the education budget is just ensuring that the private schools are on acceptable standards. Well, we do fund other things, but it is like 95% Defense and 5% everything else. My DOD is considered wasteful by most countries' standards because they come in several percent under budget each quarter.

What was the plan?

With no offense your government spending 95% on the military is absurd. Norkland spends from 15.8% to 25% according to various sources.

And I get that you are getting angry easily, but do not worry. I do not have any intent to do you any wrong - but everybody who wishes to be better should not be afraid of constructive criticism.

Different strokes for different folks, your government operates differently than mine. So long as the people are happy, safe, and free does it really matter how precisely it gets done?

[North Arkana]

Call of Duty force would .



With no offense your government spending 95% on the military is absurd. Norkland spends from 15.8% to 25% according to various sources.

And I get that you are getting angry easily, but do not worry. I do not have any intent to do you any wrong - but everybody who wishes to be better should not be afraid of constructive criticism.

Different strokes for different folks, your government operates differently than mine. So long as the people are happy, safe, and free does it really matter how precisely it gets done?

With a 95% defense budget, your people are none of those three things.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Different strokes for different folks, your government operates differently than mine. So long as the people are happy, safe, and free does it really matter how precisely it gets done?

With a 95% defense budget, your people are none of those three things.

-.O
Oh, and how do you come to that conclusion?

[North Arkana]

With a 95% defense budget, your people are none of those three things.

-.O
Oh, and how do you come to that conclusion?

Common sense, a basic sense of what government budget imbalances do to countries, knowing that Norkland is a awful place which doesn't have a budget as imbalanced as yours, etc.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

-.O
Oh, and how do you come to that conclusion?

Common sense, a basic sense of what government budget imbalances do to countries, knowing that Norkland is a awful place which doesn't have a budget as imbalanced as yours, etc.

I go off NS stats and the applications that use them to formulate other information, so let's look at the numbers here
Your tax rate: 86%, I move to your country and make a buck, I gotta give 86 cents of it to your government
My tax rate: 5%, for every buck made only 5 (6 as of a couple minutes ago) cents go to the government.

My Law Enforcement (National Guard Law Enforcement Service) is funded with $7,476,637,927,995.36 Thalers annually, meanwhile yours is $10,005,719,310,711.68, and you have half the ratio of policemen to citizens I do according to the Law Enforcement index on the nation analysis page; now off the books my NGLES is a branch of the DOD under the NG.

My Department of Defense all total employs 1,189,230,243 brave men and women across all branches and spends $20,730,677,891,259.87 in funds on them (budget score listed is excluding NGLES funding); meanwhile yours spends $20,011,438,621,423.36 on a total of 201,057,587 men and women. On top of this militias are abundant in Avalon, in fact they are recommended by the government, a program just one year ago saw old outdated rifles that were going to be sold off as surplus issued to every land owning citizen who was then taught how to use that rifle by the National Guard.

Don't doubt the freedom of the Anglciians, because to take them away you not only have to go through those 1.2 billion some brave souls willing to kill and die for that freedom, but you have to go through the Anglician people themselves, and that might just be even more dangerous. A people willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither, fortunately my people have both, because they have those freedoms. Now, we done here or not?

[New Aeyariss]

I go off NS stats and the applications that use them to formulate other information, so let's look at the numbers here
Your tax rate: 86%, I move to your country and make a buck, I gotta give 86 cents of it to your government
My tax rate: 5%, for every buck made only 5 (6 as of a couple minutes ago) cents go to the government.

My Law Enforcement (National Guard Law Enforcement Service) is funded with $7,476,637,927,995.36 Thalers annually, meanwhile yours is $10,005,719,310,711.68, and you have half the ratio of policemen to citizens I do according to the Law Enforcement index on the nation analysis page; now off the books my NGLES is a branch of the DOD under the NG.

My Department of Defense all total employs 1,189,230,243 brave men and women across all branches and spends $20,730,677,891,259.87 in funds on them (budget score listed is excluding NGLES funding); meanwhile yours spends $20,011,438,621,423.36 on a total of 201,057,587 men and women. On top of this militias are abundant in Avalon, in fact they are recommended by the government, a program just one year ago saw old outdated rifles that were going to be sold off as surplus issued to every land owning citizen who was then taught how to use that rifle by the National Guard.

Don't doubt the freedom of the Anglciians, because to take them away you not only have to go through those 1.2 billion some brave souls willing to kill and die for that freedom, but you have to go through the Anglician people themselves, and that might just be even more dangerous. A people willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither, fortunately my people have both, because they have those freedoms. Now, we done here or not?

I hope you are aware that some people like me keep most of statistics made up? I for example do not use gameside mostly...

[The United Remnants of America]

I go off NS stats and the applications that use them to formulate other information, so let's look at the numbers here
Your tax rate: 86%, I move to your country and make a buck, I gotta give 86 cents of it to your government
My tax rate: 5%, for every buck made only 5 (6 as of a couple minutes ago) cents go to the government.

My Law Enforcement (National Guard Law Enforcement Service) is funded with $7,476,637,927,995.36 Thalers annually, meanwhile yours is $10,005,719,310,711.68, and you have half the ratio of policemen to citizens I do according to the Law Enforcement index on the nation analysis page; now off the books my NGLES is a branch of the DOD under the NG.

My Department of Defense all total employs 1,189,230,243 brave men and women across all branches and spends $20,730,677,891,259.87 in funds on them (budget score listed is excluding NGLES funding); meanwhile yours spends $20,011,438,621,423.36 on a total of 201,057,587 men and women. On top of this militias are abundant in Avalon, in fact they are recommended by the government, a program just one year ago saw old outdated rifles that were going to be sold off as surplus issued to every land owning citizen who was then taught how to use that rifle by the National Guard.

Don't doubt the freedom of the Anglciians, because to take them away you not only have to go through those 1.2 billion some brave souls willing to kill and die for that freedom, but you have to go through the Anglician people themselves, and that might just be even more dangerous. A
people willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither, fortunately my people have both, because they have those freedoms. Now, we done here or not?

I hope you are aware that some people like me keep most of statistics made up? I for example do not use gameside mostly...

No one except for the oldest, most well-respected RP'ers on NS forums(Allanea, for example) - And Avalon, do, because the stats are incredibly wanky and the majority of the forum got sick of the old days, when wars of hundreds of millions from each nation fought and Longsword fleets in the hundreds faced off against one another. The stereotype is most Staters wank, but most Staters known how to scale and rarely if ever mention how many soldiers they have or what their budgets are like because they're conscious enough to know the majority of the forums know stats can wank if they want.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

I go off NS stats and the applications that use them to formulate other information, so let's look at the numbers here
Your tax rate: 86%, I move to your country and make a buck, I gotta give 86 cents of it to your government
My tax rate: 5%, for every buck made only 5 (6 as of a couple minutes ago) cents go to the government.

My Law Enforcement (National Guard Law Enforcement Service) is funded with $7,476,637,927,995.36 Thalers annually, meanwhile yours is $10,005,719,310,711.68, and you have half the ratio of policemen to citizens I do according to the Law Enforcement index on the nation analysis page; now off the books my NGLES is a branch of the DOD under the NG.

My Department of Defense all total employs 1,189,230,243 brave men and women across all branches and spends $20,730,677,891,259.87 in funds on them (budget score listed is excluding NGLES funding); meanwhile yours spends $20,011,438,621,423.36 on a total of 201,057,587 men and women. On top of this militias are abundant in Avalon, in fact they are recommended by the government, a program just one year ago saw old outdated rifles that were going to be sold off as surplus issued to every land owning citizen who was then taught how to use that rifle by the National Guard.

Don't doubt the freedom of the Anglciians, because to take them away you not only have to go through those 1.2 billion some brave souls willing to kill and die for that freedom, but you have to go through the Anglician people themselves, and that might just be even more dangerous. A people willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither, fortunately my people have both, because they have those freedoms. Now, we done here or not?

I hope you are aware that some people like me keep most of statistics made up? I for example do not use gameside mostly...

Yes, but you can argue made up statistics, one cannot argue the cold hard facts.

[New Aeyariss]

Not to mention that you simply do not need that stuff...

Look at my guys or Riysa's. Instead of 100kg of electronic mumbo jumbo, those guys have only needed gear and often need to improvise.

Most of SOF operations aren't about gear - they are about improvisation and and proper skills. You simply do not really need "titanium layered armor with 15 computers" to succeed.

[North Arkana]

Common sense, a basic sense of what government budget imbalances do to countries, knowing that Norkland is a awful place which doesn't have a budget as imbalanced as yours, etc.

I go off NS stats and the applications that use them to formulate other information, so let's look at the numbers here
Your tax rate: 86%, I move to your country and make a buck, I gotta give 86 cents of it to your government
My tax rate: 5%, for every buck made only 5 (6 as of a couple minutes ago) cents go to the government.

My Law Enforcement (National Guard Law Enforcement Service) is funded with $7,476,637,927,995.36 Thalers annually, meanwhile yours is $10,005,719,310,711.68, and you have half the ratio of policemen to citizens I do according to the Law Enforcement index on the nation analysis page; now off the books my NGLES is a branch of the DOD under the NG.

My Department of Defense all total employs 1,189,230,243 brave men and women across all branches and spends $20,730,677,891,259.87 in funds on them (budget score listed is excluding NGLES funding); meanwhile yours spends $20,011,438,621,423.36 on a total of 201,057,587 men and women. On top of this militias are abundant in Avalon, in fact they are recommended by the government, a program just one year ago saw old outdated rifles that were going to be sold off as surplus issued to every land owning citizen who was then taught how to use that rifle by the National Guard.

Don't doubt the freedom of the Anglciians, because to take them away you not only have to go through those 1.2 billion some brave souls willing to kill and die for that freedom, but you have to go through the Anglician people themselves, and that might just be even more dangerous. A people willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither, fortunately my people have both, because they have those freedoms. Now, we done here or not?

So basically the numbers point to my nation having forces which are better trained, better funded, and on average my citizens are better paid even with tax rates taken into account.
The numbers also point to your government being extremely corrupt, your people living in an environmental wasteland and living with a Human Development Index similar to third world countries. The people also have short lifespans far below the global average, have an obesity rate massively over the world average, live in a nation which is less safe than mine despite your greater number in terms of law enforcement personnel, and live in a nation with a generally high toxicity rating. There's also the matter of inferior scientific advancement, a high rating in stupidity, a high rate of "unexpected death", and awful weather.
What's your point?

[The United Remnants of America]

Fat, poisoned, and corrupt DEMONs.... Interesting.

[Monfrox]

Alright, lock this down now before we get a mod in here. Again. All of you, take a chill pill and go play some video games.

[Rynagria]

Alright, lock this down now before we get a mod in here. Again. All of you, take a chill pill and go play some video games.

But Avalon said he doesn't play video games.

[Monfrox]

Alright, lock this down now before we get a mod in here. Again. All of you, take a chill pill and go play some video games.

But Avalon said he doesn't play video games.

I don't care. Be anywhere but here right now.

[The United Remnants of America]

Alright, lock this down now before we get a mod in here. Again. All of you, take a chill pill and go play some video games.

I'm just imagining it.

Based on stats... My sentinels are extremely cultured and corrupt, and they're extremely healthy and love the environment.

New name for Sentinels: Greenpeace Mafia.

[New Aeyariss]

Excuse me. I like Avalon and nowhere in my post I have said any bad of him. I wanted to point out mistakes because I wanted him to improve.

There is no argument in here.

[The United Remnants of America]

Not to mention that you simply do not need that stuff...

Look at my guys or Riysa's. Instead of 100kg of electronic mumbo jumbo, those guys have only needed gear and often need to improvise.

Most of SOF operations aren't about gear - they are about improvisation and and proper skills. You simply do not really need "titanium layered armor with 15 computers" to succeed.

This is actually a good point. I wish I could say the same, but it's no lie my guys rely a little too much on their technology. Though they don't really use any more or less than the average soldier in my country.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

I go off NS stats and the applications that use them to formulate other information, so let's look at the numbers here
Your tax rate: 86%, I move to your country and make a buck, I gotta give 86 cents of it to your government
My tax rate: 5%, for every buck made only 5 (6 as of a couple minutes ago) cents go to the government.

My Law Enforcement (National Guard Law Enforcement Service) is funded with $7,476,637,927,995.36 Thalers annually, meanwhile yours is $10,005,719,310,711.68, and you have half the ratio of policemen to citizens I do according to the Law Enforcement index on the nation analysis page; now off the books my NGLES is a branch of the DOD under the NG.

My Department of Defense all total employs 1,189,230,243 brave men and women across all branches and spends $20,730,677,891,259.87 in funds on them (budget score listed is excluding NGLES funding); meanwhile yours spends $20,011,438,621,423.36 on a total of 201,057,587 men and women. On top of this militias are abundant in Avalon, in fact they are recommended by the government, a program just one year ago saw old outdated rifles that were going to be sold off as surplus issued to every land owning citizen who was then taught how to use that rifle by the National Guard.

Don't doubt the freedom of the Anglciians, because to take them away you not only have to go through those 1.2 billion some brave souls willing to kill and die for that freedom, but you have to go through the Anglician people themselves, and that might just be even more dangerous. A people willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security deserve neither, fortunately my people have both, because they have those freedoms. Now, we done here or not?

So basically the numbers point to my nation having forces which are better trained, better funded, and on average my citizens are better paid even with tax rates taken into account.
The numbers also point to your government being extremely corrupt, your people living in an environmental wasteland and living with a Human Development Index similar to third world countries. The people also have short lifespans far below the global average, have an obesity rate massively over the world average, live in a nation which is less safe than mine despite your greater number in terms of law enforcement personnel, and live in a nation with a generally high toxicity rating. There's also the matter of inferior scientific advancement, a rating in stupidity, a high rate of "unexpected death", and awful weather.
What's your point? Are you just talking down to me because this is how you interact in RPs? Is this just a natural extension of the RP to win mentality?

No, what I am saying is do not insult the freedom of my people, our public schooling does frank lack, but the comparison does not talk about the private education system. The citizens of Avalon are free to smoke, and eat, and do whatever they please in their own homes, the government doesn't restrict that so long as they don't infringe on another's rights. The amount of self defense assets per person in your country is negative, that tells me no one is armed and willing to defend their rights when someone tries to take it away, governments are a necessary evil, but it is the right of every citizen of this world to be prepared to fight that needed evil should it turn against them, total safety against foreign threats does not matter when you are just as vulnerable to your own government as any other threat on this planet, what does it matter how long you'll live when almost all of your income goes to the government? What does the government know about a single father trying to feed his two daughters? He works and works and works to make a living, but he doesn't see a cent of it because he worked just hard enough to be put into a higher tax bracket and lost it all because "he had too much" and needed to give to the less fortunate. The government should never obtain more of a citizen's paycheck than he is allowed to keep himself, and even that statement does not go far enough. Robin Hood governments seem to believe all men are created equal, this is true, but what them unequal is what men do in their life, life is a struggle for survival, and mankind should work together, but not under the totalitarian direction of the government or any other organization that would seek to oppress them.

That single father trying to raise his daughters to do good and right, may see a young mother on the streets in need of a meal to eat and a safe place to sleep; had the government not taken his hard earned paycheck for "social equality" he would not be facing the difficult choice of feeding his daughters or helping that woman. Governments do not know compassion like the people do, and there was a wise men who was more than correct with his statement that the scariest thing to hear is "I'm from the government and I am here to help."; slavery of man to man was abolished long ago, only difference is it was replaced with slavery of man to government, socialism is a wonderful idea for politicians because it generates votes. The word Socialism is the monetary machine that mints votes, difference is in "being fair" Socialism steals from those who just want to survive and gives to those who serve the government. It incentivizes laziness and rewards failure. Free is a wonderful word, free means no charge, at least not to you personally, what is not included int he definition free is the thousands of other people that paid for it, and that is a universal statement.

My final argument? I'm proud of my nation, Avalon will always be free because there will always be men and women willing to pay the price, to sacrifice all, and to give all they have to ensure it. Anglciian freedom is not called such because we did not work for it, it is freedom because we will always be willing to work for it, to sacrifice for it, but we will not surrender for it now or ever; not because I am in this office either, that spirit is undying and will always be here, you can rest assured of that.

There, there is my peace. We can hug it out now or whatever, but I wasn't gonna waste that nice speech that I worked hard on
*crosses arms*
and no, I don't play video games, I always get called a "noob" for sniping a guy with a LAWS. Plus they never let me do custom controls, and the melee button is always so far from the trigger on all the layouts (Damn you 343 and whoever made Battlefield!)

[Monfrox]

"I wasn't gonna waste that nice speech that I worked hard on"

No, it's called being the better person.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

"I wasn't gonna waste that nice speech that I worked hard on"

No, it's called being the better person.

If ya want better people look in a whorehouse or a prison. Saints are few and far between, even then the most saintly men were demons inside, so what reason is there to be a better man?

Well, guess there is a philosophy question for Socrates

[Altito Asmoro]

So maybe now it's the time to change the name of this group to Project Argument? It will be still tier-one group.

[Rynagria]

So maybe now it's the time to change the name of this group to Project Argument? It will be still tier-one group.

As far as I know, arguments are really widespread in PW.

[The United Remnants of America]

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If the tax brackets are made by someone who understands how a bracket works, I'm sure a single father with multiple daughters that is struggling to stay afloat will most likely get to a non-struggling point in his life before he crosses into a higher tax bracket. I say this from experience. My family doesn't struggle and wants for nothing, yet we're still borderline poverty by federal standards. Sure we don't live extravagantly, but life is in no way hard.

Also, if he was a single father and struggling, if the "robin hood government" was as all-pervasive as it is in the situation, he'd most likely be supported by a government program.

Likewise, in this "robin hood government," there likely wouldn't be homeless for this single father to care about, since the homeless would be housed in basic federally-owned housing programs. The idea that his money is being taken for social programs, yet he sees an instance of homelessness either means he's not paying for social programs like the situation is stated, or his government is so incompetent, it's most likely long-since collapsed or been invaded by a neighboring power.

I don't mind you have a differing opinion on how your nation is run, but please use a realistic argument rather than a "worst of both worlds" logical fallacy. A simple "I disagree" can work when it comes to political or economic differences in this thread, thank you.

So maybe now it's the time to change the name of this group to Project Argument? It will be still tier-one group.

As far as I know, arguments are really widespread in PW.

They are. But usually about things that aren't what one person thinks about socialism.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

Anyway, new topic
*pulls out a can with obscure label on it* [in reality rolling dice]

What's everyone's opinion of My Little Pony?

Gotta say, a slightly mild acid trip at times. Bright colors, talking animals, and candy. It has good themes though. Or if MLP is too weird a topic, which I'd agree with you on, we could talk about cars.

[North Arkana]

Anyway, new topic
*pulls out a can with obscure label on it* [in reality rolling dice]

What's everyone's opinion of My Little Pony?

Gotta say, a slightly mild acid trip at times. Bright colors, talking animals, and candy. It has good themes though. Or if MLP is too weird a topic, which I'd agree with you on, we could talk about cars.

And this is PW related how?