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Postby Drekka » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:33 pm

(OOC: forgive the delays, but I was hoping this group would participate in Caesar if things got Bad
APP still in-progress but feel free to comment if any of you wish to. )


Name of Nation: FSN-C

Name of Tier One Unit:
Singular Next-Generation Kinetics, Detatchment One
" Light Strikers"

Names of Tier One Operators: To Be Redacted




Warfighter Loadout:
STEN-505

Capacity:20-60 rounds
Length: 850mm
Cartridges: 5.56x45mm R995 / 6.8 SPC II
Weight: 4kg
Barrel: 280-400cm
Attachments: RAZR-ICS

As a modified variant of a foreign platform, the STEN-505 retains most of the features of most
government issued arms (short stroke piston, polymer/metallic construction ) without compromising
operational security due to the latter's unique cartridge and appearance. Second, the Sten is standardized
around the famous 5.56mm, a commonly encountered by most anticipated adversaries, reducing logistical
concerns greatly in joint operations ; Its capabilities are complimented by an advanced off-the-shelf
sighting system that allows high situational awareness and increased hit probability at all ranges and conditions.



RC-MkIV

Length: 1000 meters
Ordinance: 84mm
Weight: 7kg
Attachments: LR4-ICS
Rate of Fire: 6-10 rpm
A modified variant of the timeless Carl Gustav recoiless rifle system better suited to urban
warfare than its predating systems. The attached L4-ICS optic provides an increase of hit probability
in all conditions as well as allowing the use of electronic munitions...further increasing lethality of the
system for both armored and soft threats.


Biography of Unit: With the outstanding combat success of the new SNK Division (1-4 SNK Brigades) in the conflicts of 2012-2013,
A demand was made from the Strategic Expeditionary Command for a smaller version of a SNK brigade tailored specifically for
operations dispatched by SEC. Such tasks include

-Deniable Direct Action
- Foreign Internal Defense
-Maritime CQC
-Urban CQC
-Combined Arms
-Information Operations
-HAZMAT


To name a few. Further separating itself from its larger peers, Detachment One
"Strikers" consist of dedicated ranks from former members of other SEC forces under their command,
as opposed to the more modular approach of a non-set combination of regular and special operational components.

Short Profiles on Operators: To be Continued



RP Experience (Example or Link): To be Published



Techlevel: Late MT / early PMT
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:14 pm

Exantos wrote:You know what. How about we follow the initial idea behind Atlas and we don't have any carriers or anyhing like that. Instead how about a few teams go in to assassinate the team while the remainder make a diversion at the port. I mean this is Atlas right? Not a war RP. That means that we only use the teams that have been sent in. No help from the outside.

Very valid point.
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Zeinbrad wrote:Well...I didn't notice the change of thread.

I feel stupid.


Got an app?
Calm down.

Also; Your point is valid, but Ex has a point, too. TF Atlas usually doesn't rely on other military assets. They go on their own.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:16 pm

@Drekka: So, that app isn't for your nation, correct?
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Postby Exantos » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:25 pm

Thank you URA. I mean the idea behind warfighter in the beginning was our special forces going in without help and tearing shit up. However while yes DEN you do have a point. I'm worried that if we start bringing in forces from the outside then suddenly a war RP is going to start up rather than the Spec-Ops one that we have. I mean I believe that if Atlas goes in we only need 2 or 3 of the groups from Atlas to take out the King while the remainder play around in the port. Supposedly that would give us around a century or so of soldiers who are each worth ten men or so. Oh look a battalion :o
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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:41 pm

Ontie signing in.

Btw, should've linked the applications in the accepted player's list.

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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:16 pm

Exantos wrote:Thank you URA. I mean the idea behind warfighter in the beginning was our special forces going in without help and tearing shit up. However while yes DEN you do have a point. I'm worried that if we start bringing in forces from the outside then suddenly a war RP is going to start up rather than the Spec-Ops one that we have. I mean I believe that if Atlas goes in we only need 2 or 3 of the groups from Atlas to take out the King while the remainder play around in the port. Supposedly that would give us around a century or so of soldiers who are each worth ten men or so. Oh look a battalion :o

Company. Century measures years.

While you have valid points, allow me to make one more: when fighting, every element needs support. Even James Bond got the CIA and MI6 to come in and distract his targets. While we are the hit squad more or less ten, twenty, even thirty people could never distract an element that much. Especially spread out. 1 or 2 thousand however, could. That being said... This is an exception.

And I'll calm down.
The beatings will continue. Regardless of morale.

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Postby The GAmeTopians » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:19 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Exantos wrote:Thank you URA. I mean the idea behind warfighter in the beginning was our special forces going in without help and tearing shit up. However while yes DEN you do have a point. I'm worried that if we start bringing in forces from the outside then suddenly a war RP is going to start up rather than the Spec-Ops one that we have. I mean I believe that if Atlas goes in we only need 2 or 3 of the groups from Atlas to take out the King while the remainder play around in the port. Supposedly that would give us around a century or so of soldiers who are each worth ten men or so. Oh look a battalion :o

Company. Century measures years.

While you have valid points, allow me to make one more: when fighting, every element needs support. Even James Bond got the CIA and MI6 to come in and distract his targets. While we are the hit squad more or less ten, twenty, even thirty people could never distract an element that much. Especially spread out. 1 or 2 thousand however, could. That being said... This is an exception.

And I'll calm down.

Centuries are 100 soldiers in ancient roman terms, he can use it if he wants to. Btw, sorry that I haven't been online lately.
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Postby New Kvenland » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:39 pm

Huh, I could have sworn I had joined this back in the day...

Ah, whatever. Tagging for future app.
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Postby Congreveopia » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:40 pm

I think there's merit to both ideas, but the debate is muddled because we're missing an important dividing line, so here's my take on the situation:

There are three basic scenarios that are being discussed as if there are only two. Here are all three:

1) Traditional PW RP: In this scenario, it's just our teams against OPFOR. This is how most of our RPs have worked up to this point. It's a fine method.

2) Traditional PW RP with two armies involved: This is the same as above, but there are BLUFOR units involved as well. They aren't directly controlled like our teams are, and are more a part of the setting than a force in the RP. I think this is also fine.

----------DIVIDING LINE----------DIVIDING LINE----------DIVIDING LINE----------


3) War RP with PW teams involved: In this, it is basically an International Incidents RP, with BLUFOR and OPFOR being heavily controlled and their battle being the center of the RP, while our teams do stuff in the background. This is not a PW roleplay.

So, the major difference between 2 and 3 is where the focus is. In two, the BLUFOR army is a background detail, like snow or rain, and it serves to only affect the central story of the PW teams, and that is what differentiates it from three and makes it a PW RP at heart. Using the example of Operation Caesar, the RP could qualify as a PW RP even with a large BLUFOR force if, for example, the BLUFOR force was attacking the harbor, and our teams use that as a distraction to make a HALO drop in, complete an objective, and then exfiltrate by reaching friendly forces at the harbour.
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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:41 pm

Congreveopia wrote:I think there's merit to both ideas, but the debate is muddled because we're missing an important dividing line, so here's my take on the situation:

There are three basic scenarios that are being discussed as if there are only two. Here are all three:

1) Traditional PW RP: In this scenario, it's just our teams against OPFOR. This is how most of our RPs have worked up to this point. It's a fine method.

2) Traditional PW RP with two armies involved: This is the same as above, but there are BLUFOR units involved as well. They aren't directly controlled like our teams are, and are more a part of the setting than a force in the RP. I think this is also fine.

----------DIVIDING LINE----------DIVIDING LINE----------DIVIDING LINE----------


3) War RP with PW teams involved: In this, it is basically an International Incidents RP, with BLUFOR and OPFOR being heavily controlled and their battle being the center of the RP, while our teams do stuff in the background. This is not a PW roleplay.

So, the major difference between 2 and 3 is where the focus is. In two, the BLUFOR army is a background detail, like snow or rain, and it serves to only affect the central story of the PW teams, and that is what differentiates it from three and makes it a PW RP at heart. Using the example of Operation Caesar, the RP could qualify as a PW RP even with a large BLUFOR force if, for example, the BLUFOR force was attacking the harbor, and our teams use that as a distraction to make a HALO drop in, complete an objective, and then exfiltrate by reaching friendly forces at the harbour.


I could think of something since I have a bunch of countries who hate Ontorisa and are currently at war with them, I can make something happen.

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Postby Congreveopia » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:42 pm

New Kvenland wrote:Huh, I could have sworn I had joined this back in the day...

Ah, whatever. Tagging for future app.

Does this ring a bell perchance?

New Kvenland wrote:Name of Nation: New Kvenland

Name of Warfighter: Omikron-17

Warfighter Loadout:

2011 Heckler & Koch HK M27 IAR
Milkor SuperSix MGL
SIG SG 716
TDI Vector (KRISS Super V)
EXACTO
PDSHP
Savage 110 BA
Remington M2010

Biography of Warfighter:

Omikron-17, officially the Kven Special Forces, Omikron Division, Squad 17, was created in 1889 to combat the growing Russian military. It's first use was in the Chukotkan War, when New Kvenland squared off with the Russian forces over Chukotka. They have been involved in multiple wars since, most notably WWII. Their snipers were involved in the reconquest of Western Europe, the Taking back of Northern Africa, and, most notably, the Winter War. You remember Simo Häyhä? He wasn't alone. They also were involved in the War on Terror, due to a bomb going off in the capitol on 9/11.

RP Experience (Example or Link):

Two examples:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=318754
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=315506

As well as a war and a peace ball with Gilneas and minor side wars.

Techlevel: (No FT/Late PMT/FanTech. Human Species Only.)
A liiiitle more advanced then modern-day. Think 2016-17-ish.
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Postby Nasaira » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:00 pm

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:11 pm

Ontorisa wrote:Ontie signing in.

Btw, should've linked the applications in the accepted player's list.

You write the BB code for it and put it there with a thanks to you. But I can openly admit I'm not skilled enough to make that.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:15 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Exantos wrote:Thank you URA. I mean the idea behind warfighter in the beginning was our special forces going in without help and tearing shit up. However while yes DEN you do have a point. I'm worried that if we start bringing in forces from the outside then suddenly a war RP is going to start up rather than the Spec-Ops one that we have. I mean I believe that if Atlas goes in we only need 2 or 3 of the groups from Atlas to take out the King while the remainder play around in the port. Supposedly that would give us around a century or so of soldiers who are each worth ten men or so. Oh look a battalion :o

Company. Century measures years.

While you have valid points, allow me to make one more: when fighting, every element needs support. Even James Bond got the CIA and MI6 to come in and distract his targets. While we are the hit squad more or less ten, twenty, even thirty people could never distract an element that much. Especially spread out. 1 or 2 thousand however, could. That being said... This is an exception.

And I'll calm down.

Century is a Roman term for a military unit that would be about half the size of a modern infantry company, so about 100 troops.

True, but at these numbers TF Atlas itself has, we have nearly a company or more of special operators from different nations. We could have air support, but any more would defeat the whole PW purpose.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:47 pm

Air support I can provide.
The beatings will continue. Regardless of morale.

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:08 am

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:Air support I can provide.

Air support we can all provide.

Just be prepared for the stereotypical helicopter shot down scene that's in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.
See Also: Modern Warfare 2 & 3
See Also: Black Ops 1 & 2
See Also: Advanced Warfare
See Also: Ghosts

Overplayed isn't the right word, but it's the first one that comes to mind.

*See Also: This obvious Choke reference*
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Postby Drekka » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:26 am

The United Remnants of America wrote:@Drekka: So, that app isn't for your nation, correct?


incorrect :meh:. It is for my nation still but its one of those "secrets" that only SEC (my fictional USSOCOM equivalent) is aware of . That stated, SNK-D1 Is most often deployed in the best interests of the FSN-C. Sorry if its kinda confusing but its also the opposite of SPECTRA, as it's not
under the jurisdiction of my military, but rather the government.

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:33 am

Drekka wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:@Drekka: So, that app isn't for your nation, correct?


incorrect :meh:. It is for my nation still but its one of those "secrets" that only SEC (my fictional USSOCOM equivalent) is aware of . That stated, SNK-D1 Is most often deployed in the best interests of the FSN-C. Sorry if its kinda confusing but its also the opposite of SPECTRA, as it's not
under the jurisdiction of my military, but rather the government.

*Covering up the fact that I just looked at your factbook to understand the FSNC reference, etc.*

Ahh, I see now. Of course. How silly of me.
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Postby Drekka » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:47 am

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Drekka wrote:
incorrect :meh:. It is for my nation still but its one of those "secrets" that only SEC (my fictional USSOCOM equivalent) is aware of . That stated, SNK-D1 Is most often deployed in the best interests of the FSN-C. Sorry if its kinda confusing but its also the opposite of SPECTRA, as it's not
under the jurisdiction of my military, but rather the government.

*Covering up the fact that I just looked at your factbook to understand the FSNC reference, etc.*

Ahh, I see now. Of course. How silly of me.


I still need to work on that factbook. thanks for reminding me :(
Also, thanks for reading what little info I had anyhow.

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:56 am

Drekka wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:*Covering up the fact that I just looked at your factbook to understand the FSNC reference, etc.*

Ahh, I see now. Of course. How silly of me.


I still need to work on that factbook. thanks for reminding me :(
Also, thanks for reading what little info I had anyhow.

Well I first thought it was for a puppet, because, y'know, nation name and application name are different. Sorry.
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Postby Astronea » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:12 am

Providing walk on fo friendly airstrikes is sort of an important part of Sprcial Forces, air support is kind of in jeeping with the theme I think. Also I'm looking forward to being the CSAR team that has to recover the inevitably downed pilots.

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Postby Farlandria » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:42 am

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Die erworbenen Namen wrote:Air support I can provide.

Air support we can all provide.

Just be prepared for the stereotypical helicopter shot down scene that's in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare.
See Also: Modern Warfare 2 & 3
See Also: Black Ops 1 & 2
See Also: Advanced Warfare
See Also: Ghosts

Overplayed isn't the right word, but it's the first one that comes to mind.

*See Also: This obvious Choke reference*


Cliché is the word your looking for.

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Postby Exantos » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:16 am

OK, so while all our points make merit in this situation DEN you now understand what I was arguing for. BTW for everyone I always use pre-renaissance era military terms such as Century, Legion, etc... mainly because I love the roman era and how the Romans managed to conquer the majority of their known world and hold on to it for a period of time.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:30 am

I think it would fit my nation well if I used that....

Lemme see...

And as for air support, I was looking at air support along the lines of helicopters, carrier bombers, etc. As for Atlas, we have of start looking on where each team is going to be...
The beatings will continue. Regardless of morale.

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Postby Astronea » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:48 pm

Also DEN please don't tell me you're going to assault the city with all 1,000 or so of those Spetsnaz because that concept is horrifying.

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