A Guide to an Air Force: F-Series Version

[The Predator Federation]

Ha sure when the F-35 doesn't explode when it's struck by 14 AK-74M rounds

It doesn't. If you want to post another stupid comment like that, maybe you should realize that it wasn't the PLANE that saved them, but the pilot, which is a whole other thing. Anyone could have done that. And the F-35 would've also been able to provide expert attacks like that.

Not only that, but you fail to realize that the A-10 is NOT lightweight, versatile, or as rugged as you think. The only rugged area is around the PILOT, which isn't that much. 30mm cannon pretty much rules out light weight. Maneuverable? Not at all. The A-10 was designed to fire bullets into tanks, while the F-35 could fire a missile at the same target, with much more accuracy, much more actual danger to the tank, and have a much better chance of destroying it, and still have time to hit ground targets with cluster bombs. And the best part? No one sees it coming. And once more, the F-35 CAN have an internal payload, AND an external payload. The F-22 and F-35 HAVE TO BE RUGGED. They go at speeds that would rip apart the A-10. Not only that, but it has to withstand the heat of the friction, as well as the stress of being flung, literally, off a carrier, as well as landing. It also has to preform well at high speed maneuvers, something the A-10 can't do.

And on the same note, it can be out fitted with Electronic Warfare, which can actually jam radar, and, among other things, make it easy to hit it's target. It can also fly at low speeds, like the A-10, and it holds more fuel, while having a more fuel efficient engine. Not to mention, then, that the F-22 and F-35 are STOL, meaning they can land on runways the A-10 couldn't, and they are, in fact, easy to operate.

It's a shame they retired the F-117, because that plane had good use.

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 51,000 pounds (22,950 kilograms) A-10 vs
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 70,000 pound class F-35
Come on! Seriously?
the F-35 weighs 10 tons more max weight
Empty weight:
Empty weight for F-35 29,300 lbs
vs
24,960 lbs (11,320 kg) A-10 thunderbolt
Are you serious?
Range: 1750 Miles
vs A-10
2580 Miles
AIR FORCE FACT SHEETS AND WIKIPEDIA DATA

[The Predator Federation]

A-10 take off range is about 300 meters not to mention it can land on a dirt road strip, AGM-65Es have never been more useful than the gun on a fighter plane either. History shows it... The A-10 has killed more targets with its gun than the F-16 with its bombs AND missiles. (Desert storm) Not to mention they tried to mount to gun of the A-10 on the F-16 guess how that worked it didn't.

[The Predator Federation]

http://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2013 ... -lighting/

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

The F-35 is still better. Providing hard data really doesn't help you that much. The modern fighters of this day are made for multi roles, while your silly A-10 is only made around one gun, which, by the way, is way too expensive, and in itself weighs much more than a gun that the F-35 needs. The A-10 also has no maneuverability above 10,000 feet, which would be crucial in other areas of battle. If the A-10 was attacked mid mission, it would die, but if the F-35 was attacked (which the enemy would have a hard time doing), it would kill both targets.

If all you want is guns guns guns, I suggest you look at WW2 tanks, as well as WW2 aircraft, because that's where the A-10 would've had it's mark. The F-16, F-22, and F-35 don't need a stupidly large main gun to do it's job. It can just point and aim with it's missiles, and it's instantly more accurate. And it still can strafe, with damn good efficiency. You're forgetting that the F-16 was rarely deployed against ground targets because it was working on keeping your A-10 able to fly by destroying air targets, so good luck trying to incorporate that skewed data.

The Maximum takeoff weight means how much PAYLOAD IT CAN HAVE ON IT. It's not that heavier than an A-10 empty, but it can fly faster and better. BTW, you've got the wrong data. The A-10 Thunderbolt II flies, get this: 800 miles range. From wikipedia. Note the low range, speed, and combat radius.

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 53 ft 4 in (16.26 m)
Wingspan: 57 ft 6 in (17.53 m)
Height: 14 ft 8 in (4.47 m)
Wing area: 506 ft² (47.0 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 6716 root, NACA 6713 tip
Empty weight: 24,959 lb (11,321 kg)
Loaded weight: 30,384 lb (13,782 kg)
CAS mission: 47,094 lb (21,361 kg)
Anti-armor mission: 42,071 lb (19,083 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 50,000 lb (23,000 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric TF34-GE-100A turbofans, 9,065 lbf (40.32 kN) each
Internal fuel capacity: 11,000 lb (4,990 kg)
Performance

Never exceed speed: 450 knots (518 mph,[153] 833 km/h) at 5,000 ft (1,500 m) with 18 Mk 82 bombs[154]
Maximum speed: 381 knots (439 mph, 706 km/h) at sea level, clean[153]
Cruise speed: 300 knots (340 mph, 560 km/h)
Stall speed: 120 knots (138 mph, 220 km/h) [155]
Combat radius:
CAS mission: 250 nmi (288 mi, 460 km) at 1.88 hour loiter at 5,000 ft (1,500 m), 10 min combat
Anti-armor mission: 252 nmi (290 mi, 467 km), 40 nmi (45 mi, 75 km)) sea-level penetration and exit, 30 min combat
Ferry range: 2,240 nmi (2,580 mi, 4,150 km) with 50 knot (55 mph, 90 km/h) headwinds, 20 minutes reserve
Service ceiling: 45,000 ft (13,700 m)
Rate of climb: 6,000 ft/min (30 m/s)
Wing loading: 99 lb/ft² (482 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.36
Armament

Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling cannon with 1,174 rounds (Capacity 1,350)
Hardpoints: 11 (8× under-wing and 3× under-fuselage pylon stations) with a capacity of 16,000 lb (7,260 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets:
4× LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19× / 7× Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively)
4× LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19× CRV7 70 mm rockets)
6× LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4× 127 mm (5.0 in) Zuni rockets)
Missiles:
2× AIM-9 Sidewinders air-to-air missiles for self-defense
6× AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface missiles
Bombs:
Mark 80 series of unguided iron bombs or
Mk 77 incendiary bombs or
BLU-1, BLU-27/B Rockeye II, Mk20, BL-755[156] and CBU-52/58/71/87/89/97 cluster bombs or
Paveway series of Laser-guided bombs or
Joint Direct Attack Munition (A-10C)[157] or
Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (A-10C)
Other:
SUU-42A/A Flares/Infrared decoys and chaff dispenser pod or
AN/ALQ-131 or AN/ALQ-184 ECM pods or
Lockheed Martin Sniper XR or LITENING targeting pods (A-10C) or
2× 600 US gallon Sargent Fletcher drop tanks for increased range/loitering time.
Avionics

AN/AAS-35(V) Pave Penny laser tracker pod[158] (mounted beneath right side of cockpit) for use with Paveway LGBs (Currently the Pave Penny is no longer in use)
Head-up display (HUD) for improved technical flying and air-to-ground support.[159]

And here's the F-35. Note the longer range, the bigger payload, and the better speed. Now, it's only been tested at Mach 1.61, but it's much different than it's cousin, the F-22, which was, coincidentally, around Mach 2.2? Anyway, check it out:

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 50.5 ft [539] (15.67 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft[N 4] (10.7 m)
Height: 14.2 ft[N 5] (4.33 m)
Wing area: 460 ft²[249] (42.7 m²)
Empty weight: 29,098 lb [540] (13199 kg)
Loaded weight: 49,540 lb[232][N 6][541] (22,470 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 70,000 lb[N 7] (31,800 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 28,000 lbf[542][N 8] (125 kN)
Thrust with afterburner: 43,000 lbf[542][543] (191 kN)
Internal fuel capacity: 18,498 lb (8,382 kg)[544][N 9]
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.6+[253] (1,200 mph, 1,930 km/h) (tested to Mach 1.61)[372]
Cruise speed: 1.2 mach for 9.8 min[230]
Range: 1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel
Combat radius: 613 nmi[545] (1,135 km) on internal fuel
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft[citation needed] (15,240 m)
Wing loading: 107.7 lb/ft² (526 kg/m²; 745 kg/m² max loaded)
Thrust/weight:
With full fuel: 0.87
With 50% fuel: 1.07
Maximum g-load: 9 g[N 10]
Armament

Guns: 1 × General Dynamics 25 mm (0.984 in) GAU-22/A 4-barrel Gatling gun, internally mounted with 180 rounds[N 11][253]
Hardpoints: 6 × external pylons on wings with a capacity of 15,000 lb (6,800 kg)[249][253] and two internal bays with two pylons each[249] for a total weapons payload of 18,000 lb (8,100 kg)[233] and provisions to carry combinations of:
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
AIM-120 AMRAAM
AIM-9X Sidewinder
IRIS-T
MBDA Meteor (pending further funding)[260]
Air-to-surface missiles:
AGM-88 AARGM[546]
AGM-158 JASSM[250]
Brimstone missile / MBDA SPEAR[547]
Joint Air-to-Ground Missile (JAGM)
Storm Shadow missile
SOM
Anti-ship missiles:
Joint Strike Missile (JSM)
Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM)[548]
Bombs:
Mark 84 or Mark 83 or Mark 82 GP bombs
Mk.20 Rockeye II cluster bomb
Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD) capable
Paveway series laser-guided bombs
Small Diameter Bomb (SDB)
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) series
AGM-154 JSOW
B61 mod 12 nuclear bomb[549]
Avionics

Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems AN/APG-81 AESA radar
Lockheed Martin AAQ-40 E/O Targeting System (EOTS)
Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems AN/AAQ-37 Distributed Aperture System (DAS) missile warning system
BAE Systems AN/ASQ-239 (Barracuda) electronic warfare system
Harris Corporation Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL) communication system

It can also mount electronic warfare, as well as external fuel tanks.

So, good day, sir.

Edit: Note how the F-35 is under developmental stages, so your argument is really invalid. I could put the F-22 in here, and my argument would still win out.

[The Predator Federation]

*slow clap*
This is really pointless I can see you are a stealthwank, very well remain in your state. I am not gonna bother even...

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

*slow clap*
This is really pointless I can see you are a stealthwank, very well remain in your state. I am not gonna bother even...

Thank you for admitting defeat, good friend. I'll wait for another well fueled debate.

[The Predator Federation]

*slow clap*
This is really pointless I can see you are a stealthwank, very well remain in your state. I am not gonna bother even...

Thank you for admitting defeat, good friend. I'll wait for another well fueled debate.

Before you go http://airdefensenetwork.wordpress.com/ ... se-record/

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Thank you for admitting defeat, good friend. I'll wait for another well fueled debate.

Before you go http://airdefensenetwork.wordpress.com/ ... se-record/

That's your personal blog... you think that counts as proof?

[Organized States]

Thank you for admitting defeat, good friend. I'll wait for another well fueled debate.

Before you go http://airdefensenetwork.wordpress.com/ ... se-record/

I'm seriously doubting that record considering that the T-38 has shitty avionics and a crappy radar, which kind of calls into the accuracy of the entire list and its sources.

[The Predator Federation]

I have evidence for each kill

[The Predator Federation]

Before you go http://airdefensenetwork.wordpress.com/ ... se-record/

I'm seriously doubting that record considering that the T-38 has shitty avionics and a crappy radar, which kind of calls into the accuracy of the entire list and its sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmDj3mFrXQ

[Organized States]

I have evidence for each kill

Could I see it?

[The Predator Federation]

Before you go http://airdefensenetwork.wordpress.com/ ... se-record/

That's your personal blog... you think that counts as proof?

I have evidence for each kill I am not finished the page

[The Predator Federation]

Who is the visitor from maylasia?

[The Predator Federation]

Mirage 2000 kill on F-22 Raptor

[Organized States]

I'm seriously doubting that record considering that the T-38 has shitty avionics and a crappy radar, which kind of calls into the accuracy of the entire list and its sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmDj3mFrXQ

Seen the video. Might I remind you this was in WVR, in evasive maneuver training during Red Flag.

Not to mention we have no way of verifying if this HUD footage was retrieved from a T-38 other than the title.

[The Predator Federation]

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[The Predator Federation]

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Mirage 2000 kill on F-22 Raptor

[The Predator Federation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmDj3mFrXQ

Seen the video. Might I remind you this was in WVR, in evasive maneuver training during Red Flag.

Not to mention we have no way of verifying if this HUD footage was retrieved from a T-38 other than the title.

T-38 HUD

[Organized States]

Seen the video. Might I remind you this was in WVR, in evasive maneuver training during Red Flag.

Not to mention we have no way of verifying if this HUD footage was retrieved from a T-38 other than the title.

T-38 HUD

HUDs are usually standardized on USAF, USN, and RCAF aircraft.

This could be an F-15 aggressor for all we know.

[The Predator Federation]

T-38 HUD

HUDs are usually standardized on USAF, USN, and RCAF aircraft.

This could be an F-15 aggressor for all we know.

Its not I know what an F-15 Eagle HUD looks like trainer HUDs are usually different from actual combat aircraft

[The Predator Federation]

Hey its no biggie every plane gets killed
Eurofighter Typhoon which had killed some raptors
had suffered an embarrassing loss from Rafales and F-16 Block 60s.

[The Predator Federation]

Hey its no biggie every plane gets killed
Eurofighter Typhoon which had killed some raptors
had suffered an embarrassing loss from Rafales and F-16 Block 60s.

On the bright side the F-22 has killed every opponent it has faced. (at least once or twice)

[Puzikas]

Hey its no biggie every plane gets killed
Eurofighter Typhoon which had killed some raptors
had suffered an embarrassing loss from Rafales and F-16 Block 60s.

On the bright side the F-22 has killed every opponent it has faced. (at least once or twice)

All zero of them

[Padnak]

S-300 > All pathetic capitalist aircraft