A Guide to an Air Force: F-Series Version

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Actually, the B-1B is a good bomber...

Yes, it was mentioned.

I missed that. Sorry.

I would suggest their roles reversed then. The b-2 spirit should be listed as precision, and the B-1B as general, as it carries the largest payload, and isn't stealth. One could argue that the B-2 would be ideal for stealth, precision infiltration of enemy lines, because of it's design, no? That's just a suggestion. By all means, tell me otherwise. You're much better at this than I am

[Spoder]

Rafale is probably much better than the hornet

Son, I don't like EU planes. They have funny wings and little front wings that make the plane look like either a fishing hook or a pointy dildo, hell maybe a mix of both.

I could do a comparison between it and the Hornet, but I'm not right now. Maybe I'll do an EU one after the Mig/Su.

The Berkut is a fucking sexy muthafucka you cunt.

I really don't like the look of the Mirage/Rafale aircraft. They look too much like spaceships.

[Vancon]

It is a lot very useful information, whatever my opinion on interceptors is.

If anything, this article could help a lot of people formulate an opinion on what the most efficient lineup is.

I made it because of this post:

So, this is really broad.. And I understand I look dumb. But I don't really know where to start building my air force. I know that I want it to be more quantity than quality, as is everything in Cyllea's military, so it'd probably use older aircraft/aircraft designed by nations like Serbia or Poland. My main questions are;
What type of aircraft are in an air force? I know there are transports, bombers, interceptors.. But what else?
And Where should a military like mine focus? We're more about quantity than quality, and we generally just go with an all-out offensive. I know it isn't the best military strategy, the Cyllean Military definitely has its flaws

Alright. Lets get started.

You mentioned Serbia or Poland, so in turn I'm gonna go with MiGs for this. It wouldn't be hard for you to acquire these, since almost all second and third world countries have them. You also mentioned Quantity over Quality. "Quantity has a quality of it's own," Said Joseph Stalin, but in modern air combat this isn't that viable. A "real" air battle would probably be something like 4 jets vs 4, maybe 8. Swarm tactics aren't really a thing in the air. So I'm going to disregard that bit. Now onto your planes. In modern air wars, there is really four things plane wise you need to think about:

ASFs- Air Superiority Fighters:
This would be your F-22s, Pak FAs and the like. These are for interceptor roles, dogfighting and sometimes they go out of their comfort zone and become strike fighters. In this case, for a country using older and 'less' expensive planes, the MiG 29 would be your best bet, and maybe some Su 27s as well for good measure. take your pick, since they both are good.

You might ask why I didn't put older planes here, such as the Foxbat or Fishbed, and that's equal parts too old to be viable and I have an unjust hatred towards the Fishbed. Blame HAWX.

Bombers/Ground Attack aircraft:
These will be the planes that fuck up your enemies shit, sideways. Here you need to have fast planes with lots of hardpoints- places to put bombs. MiG doesn't really have any 'modern' attack planes, so lets go over to Sukhoi. Here we want some Su 32s or Su 34s. They're basically the same, only Russia is the only ones who can use the 34 irl bruh. For real "Bomber" bombers, I'd use the Tu-142 if you really had too, but other wise I'd just use large transports in the sub atmosphere and drop bombs out the back. It'd be 72% more badass.

Support:
Herein lies the Tankers, Transports and Trainers. These are necessary to keep your guys in the air and to get them from point A to point B. For a tanker, the Il-78 will do you justice. A GREAT transport would be the An 225, but those are both massive and expensive. You's probably be better off with an An 124, which is for all intents and purposes is a Russian C-130. As for trainers, each plane or group of planes will have a different Trainer Plane. You'd need to google this yourself 'cause I'm not sure which planes from my advice you'd use.

Specialty:
This is for those one off roles that don't really fit in the other categories, such as EW Planes- Electronic Warfare Planes, AWACS- Airborne Warning and Control System and Carrier-Based Planes. These are up to you, and you don't 'need' them, but they help. For EW, I don't think the Russians have a designated plane for AWACS, but they also put some EW elements in there, but don't hold me to that. The Russian Carrier Based Strike Fighter is the Su 33. To re-iterate, you don't need these, but they help.


So ya. Here you go.

On a side note, should I make a guide on how to make a proper Air-force for MT on the MiG and F sides?

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Son, I don't like EU planes. They have funny wings and little front wings that make the plane look like either a fishing hook or a pointy dildo, hell maybe a mix of both.

I could do a comparison between it and the Hornet, but I'm not right now. Maybe I'll do an EU one after the Mig/Su.

The Berkut is a fucking sexy muthafucka you cunt.

I really don't like the look of the Mirage/Rafale aircraft. They look too much like spaceships.

Please don't.

[Spoder]

The Berkut is a fucking sexy muthafucka you cunt.

I really don't like the look of the Mirage/Rafale aircraft. They look too much like spaceships.

Please don't.

I'm serious.

The only thing I seriously dislike about them is the look, but aesthetics are very important to me.

But man, the Berkut. Those curves, the shape, the colors, everything.

*nerdgasm*

[Vancon]

Yes, it was mentioned.

I missed that. Sorry.

I would suggest their roles reversed then. The b-2 spirit should be listed as precision, and the B-1B as general, as it carries the largest payload, and isn't stealth. One could argue that the B-2 would be ideal for stealth, precision infiltration of enemy lines, because of it's design, no? That's just a suggestion. By all means, tell me otherwise. You're much better at this than I am

No, no , NO.

The B-2 is a massive stealth bomber with a fairly large payload. The B1 is a precision bomber, or rather one that goes super fast close to the ground and drops presents for all the wonderful boys and girls.

I can't say I agree about the Berkut.

[Padnak]

Interceptors are useless is a very american answer, since the Russians disagree with you completely.

Thats only because of Russian geography, The only reason Russians have interceptors are because of geography.

The Soviet Union operated a vast number of interceptors because of fears that american bombers would fly over the arctic into Russia, in the same sense that America feared that soviet bombers would fly over Canada

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Alright. That's reasonable. I just see the B-2 as a precision bomber because of it's stealth, but I'm wrong.

Anyway, wasn't there a project to create a bomber that hovered?

[Spoder]

I missed that. Sorry.

I would suggest their roles reversed then. The b-2 spirit should be listed as precision, and the B-1B as general, as it carries the largest payload, and isn't stealth. One could argue that the B-2 would be ideal for stealth, precision infiltration of enemy lines, because of it's design, no? That's just a suggestion. By all means, tell me otherwise. You're much better at this than I am

No, no , NO.

The B-2 is a massive stealth bomber with a fairly large payload. The B1 is a precision bomber, or rather one that goes super fast close to the ground and drops presents for all the wonderful boys and girls.

I can't say I agree about the Berkut.

m8 u wot?

[The Predator Federation]

Thats only because of Russian geography, The only reason Russians have interceptors are because of geography.

You wot m8?

No, It's because of their doctrine of fucking over the Americans, should they ever go to war with them.

Really because the only country on earth who needs an interceptor that flys at mach 2.8 is Russia because it is bigger than pluto

[Vancon]

Alright. That's reasonable. I just see the B-2 as a precision bomber because of it's stealth, but I'm wrong.

Anyway, wasn't there a project to create a bomber that hovered?

Stealth is a wonderful add-on to a plane. But that's it.

Hover Bomber: Now with the ability to ignite the bombs as they fall causing the bomber to explode! Great Success!

[The Predator Federation]

B-1B has the highest payload of American bombers.

[Spoder]

Alright. That's reasonable. I just see the B-2 as a precision bomber because of it's stealth, but I'm wrong.

Anyway, wasn't there a project to create a bomber that hovered?

Stealth is a wonderful add-on to a plane. But that's it.

Hover Bomber: Now with the ability to ignite the bombs as they fall causing the bomber to explode! Great Success!

Well, actually the F-35 is capable of carrying a small payload of some fairly powerful bombs, and has a VTOL variant.

[Spoder]

B-1B has the highest payload of American bombers.

Not true at all.

That is the B-52.

[Vancon]

No, no , NO.

The B-2 is a massive stealth bomber with a fairly large payload. The B1 is a precision bomber, or rather one that goes super fast close to the ground and drops presents for all the wonderful boys and girls.

I can't say I agree about the Berkut.

m8 u wot?

EX--cuse me?

You wot m8?

No, It's because of their doctrine of fucking over the Americans, should they ever go to war with them.

Really because the only country on earth who needs an interceptor that flys at mach 2.8 is Russia because it is bigger than pluto

No, because they need to shoot down american bombers from the arctic and take out american tankers that are vital in keeping the american jets in the air.

[The Predator Federation]

B-1B has the highest payload of American bombers.

Not true at all.

That is the B-52.

75,000 pounds B-1B
vs
70,000 pounds B-52
Air force fact files

[Vancon]

Not true at all.

That is the B-52.

75,000 pounds B-1B
vs
70,000 pounds B-52
Air force fact files

The B1 has 6 hardpoints also, giving it a larger amount of bombs to drop.

[Spoder]

m8 u wot?

EX--cuse me?

Hell to the no.

Fucking flips and tricks so insane your little fucking cat will never catch the great eagle.

[Padnak]

Its early days

[Spoder]

Not true at all.

That is the B-52.

75,000 pounds B-1B
vs
70,000 pounds B-52
Air force fact files

125,000 lbs B-1 Lancer

Fuck man.

I WAS WRONG???

[Nuevo Meshiko]

Tag, you're it.

[Vancon]

Its early days

I've got some ideas, but lets talk over FB.

[New Surplicia]

Now this is interesting. I may refer to this. Thanks!

[Organized States]

Tanker Guide should be up in not too long...

[The Predator Federation]

The A10 is 11.8 MILLION DOLLARS! THAT IS DAMN CHEAP! COMPARE TO THE F-35 WHICH IS 130 MILLION DOLLARS THE A-10 IS NOT EXPENSIVE