PitP 2: Pan Pacific Pandemonium(SignUps, OOC,PMT, Limt FanT)

[Organized States]

Notice how I remove my assets from port before Oale or Senkaku can Pearl Harbor them.

Is of best strategy, until a wild Member of the Cause appears!

Don't dare strikth my fleet! I will defend Australia from the Chinese!

[Vancon]

Is of best strategy, until a wild Member of the Cause appears!

Don't dare strikth my fleet! I will defend Australia from the Chinese!

Never mind, since I just lost all that I wrote.
I was gonna have a Jihadist blow up your oil supplies, but hey, whatevs.

[Organized States]

Don't dare strikth my fleet! I will defend Australia from the Chinese!

Never mind, since I just lost all that I wrote.
I was gonna have a Jihadist blow up your oil supplies, but hey, whatevs.

Da FAQ? Good thing I have Canada's oil sands.

[Vancon]

Never mind, since I just lost all that I wrote.
I was gonna have a Jihadist blow up your oil supplies, but hey, whatevs.

Da FAQ? Good thing I have Canada's oil sands.

*fuel at pearl harbor, inciting you to think that it was the Izuamese.

[Yukonastan]

Should I flag this?

[Vancon]

(Image)
Should I flag this?

Yes.

[Organized States]

Da FAQ? Good thing I have Canada's oil sands.

*fuel at pearl harbor, inciting you to think that it was the Izuamese.

Ah.

[Oaledonia]

I'm still expecting to do a reasonable amount of damage.
Even if I don't, the Imazunese have the industrial capacity to challenge OS in open warfare. Let me create my ORBAT before I post, but my post is done

[Organized States]

I'm still expecting to do a reasonable amount of damage.
Even if I don't, the Imazunese have the industrial capacity to challenge OS in open warfare. Let me create my ORBAT before I post, but my post is done

Let me deal with the Chinese first, and then we can duke it out, if you'd like .

[Imperii Magna]

Starting my post now. There's a lot to write about this time!

[Padnak]

Just some quick info- I'm going to stop and consolidate my gains before any amphibious invasions, and if there's any amphibious stuff at all it'll probably hit Java and Sumatra first.
Secondly, the Chinese have a similar doctrine of using lots of heavily armed small craft, missiles, and land-based planes, so the South China Sea and its airspace are just going to be complete chaos.
Thirdly, do keep in mind the Chinese will not have to deal with the Oale-Japanese on a second front (as you may be forced to), and they're willing to take around a hundred million casualties to ensure the campaign's success (and they have total control at home, which I don't think a shaky and already-battered military junta would).

China's staying on the mainland for now, though, while they consolidate their gains.

I see

At home I have everyone under the iron boot of the MSS so even if anyone tries anything I have an armed force of around 120,000 to keep everything in check

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Good luck defending against me, though.

[Senkaku]

Just some quick info- I'm going to stop and consolidate my gains before any amphibious invasions, and if there's any amphibious stuff at all it'll probably hit Java and Sumatra first.
Secondly, the Chinese have a similar doctrine of using lots of heavily armed small craft, missiles, and land-based planes, so the South China Sea and its airspace are just going to be complete chaos.
Thirdly, do keep in mind the Chinese will not have to deal with the Oale-Japanese on a second front (as you may be forced to), and they're willing to take around a hundred million casualties to ensure the campaign's success (and they have total control at home, which I don't think a shaky and already-battered military junta would).

China's staying on the mainland for now, though, while they consolidate their gains.

I see

At home I have everyone under the iron boot of the MSS so even if anyone tries anything I have an armed force of around 120,000 to keep everything in check

Aha- but, you see, the Chinese don't need to waste troops keeping order on the home front. No true citizen would ever dissent, and for the microscopic percentage who dare to do so, the Red Guards can just disappear them. It's like 1984- most people love the Party, and those who don't can be either reeducated or completely erased.

I'm still expecting to do a reasonable amount of damage.
Even if I don't, the Imazunese have the industrial capacity to challenge OS in open warfare. Let me create my ORBAT before I post, but my post is done

Let me deal with the Chinese first, and then we can duke it out, if you'd like .

Everyone's talking about the Chinese like they can just be defeated, but that's not really what would happen. I will make of explanations in another post.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

I will consider an attempt to make someone invincible as a godmod... Just to let you know.

[Senkaku]

I will consider an attempt to make someone invincible as a godmod... Just to let you know.

No one and nothing is invincible, don't worry. Every building in China and every person in it are able to be blown up, shot, tortured, etc, etc. I'm not a noob who's just going to be like "nope it's all made of indestructibilium and the people all have force fields so there".


However, my point is, even if the PLA is somehow completely destroyed and China's factories reduced to cinders, resistance will continue. The citizen body is so completely brainwashed that they would continue general resistance even without the direction of the state, and whatever remained of China's leadership would flee to the various bunkers and tunnel systems they've prepared for just such an event, to egg the occupied areas on in resisting the enemies of the Revolution and raising troops to send down out of the mountains to kill teh ebul capitalists. Basically, it would be almost impossible for anyone not willing to both take massive casualties and kill thousands or millions of civilians to invade China, and even if they somehow killed everyone in charge- which seems unlikely- resistance would continue and new leaders would rise up. And don't think the people in the reeducation camps could somehow be reintroduced to help, either- the Chinese would first try to kill them all if they were losing, and then if that didn't work, they would be killed or shunned when they were reintroduced because of their counterrevolutionary tendencies.

Basically, you can destroy the Chinese advance- with a lot of work- and you can destroy the factories and the farms and the cities, with even more work- but you can't destroy China, because the regime has been quite thorough in ensuring that its citizens will perpetuate its survival in such an event. Also, there are almost two billion of them, so... Yeah, that could be tricky.

Is of best strategy, until a wild Member of the Cause appears!

Don't dare strikth my fleet! I will defend Australia from the Chinese!

China has no interest in Australia- or, for that matter, Hawaii.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

I will consider an attempt to make someone invincible as a godmod... Just to let you know.

No one and nothing is invincible, don't worry. Every building in China and every person in it are able to be blown up, shot, tortured, etc, etc. I'm not a noob who's just going to be like "nope it's all made of indestructibilium and the people all have force fields so there".


However, my point is, even if the PLA is somehow completely destroyed and China's factories reduced to cinders, resistance will continue. The citizen body is so completely brainwashed that they would continue general resistance even without the direction of the state, and whatever remained of China's leadership would flee to the various bunkers and tunnel systems they've prepared for just such an event, to egg the occupied areas on in resisting the enemies of the Revolution and raising troops to send down out of the mountains to kill teh ebul capitalists. Basically, it would be almost impossible for anyone not willing to both take massive casualties and kill thousands or millions of civilians to invade China, and even if they somehow killed everyone in charge- which seems unlikely- resistance would continue and new leaders would rise up. And don't think the people in the reeducation camps could somehow be reintroduced to help, either- the Chinese would first try to kill them all if they were losing, and then if that didn't work, they would be killed or shunned when they were reintroduced because of their counterrevolutionary tendencies.

Basically, you can destroy the Chinese advance- with a lot of work- and you can destroy the factories and the farms and the cities, with even more work- but you can't destroy China, because the regime has been quite thorough in ensuring that its citizens will perpetuate its survival in such an event. Also, there are almost two billion of them, so... Yeah, that could be tricky.

Don't dare strikth my fleet! I will defend Australia from the Chinese!

China has no interest in Australia- or, for that matter, Hawaii.

hmm there is a way that is considered a war crime. Deny the most needed ingredients to the population. Problem solved within 2 weeks tops.

[Congreveopia]

I will consider an attempt to make someone invincible as a godmod... Just to let you know.

No one and nothing is invincible, don't worry. Every building in China and every person in it are able to be blown up, shot, tortured, etc, etc. I'm not a noob who's just going to be like "nope it's all made of indestructibilium and the people all have force fields so there".


However, my point is, even if the PLA is somehow completely destroyed and China's factories reduced to cinders, resistance will continue. The citizen body is so completely brainwashed that they would continue general resistance even without the direction of the state, and whatever remained of China's leadership would flee to the various bunkers and tunnel systems they've prepared for just such an event, to egg the occupied areas on in resisting the enemies of the Revolution and raising troops to send down out of the mountains to kill teh ebul capitalists. Basically, it would be almost impossible for anyone not willing to both take massive casualties and kill thousands or millions of civilians to invade China, and even if they somehow killed everyone in charge- which seems unlikely- resistance would continue and new leaders would rise up. And don't think the people in the reeducation camps could somehow be reintroduced to help, either- the Chinese would first try to kill them all if they were losing, and then if that didn't work, they would be killed or shunned when they were reintroduced because of their counterrevolutionary tendencies.

Basically, you can destroy the Chinese advance- with a lot of work- and you can destroy the factories and the farms and the cities, with even more work- but you can't destroy China, because the regime has been quite thorough in ensuring that its citizens will perpetuate its survival in such an event. Also, there are almost two billion of them, so... Yeah, that could be tricky.

If my leadership genuinely believed this, they might well decide that the best course of action would be to stop China's advance, then destroy the PLA, then nuke China flat. You really make it sound as if your citizens are almost infected with some sort of disease that makes them mindless drones. And it's best to nip these diseases in the bud.

Some might say: "You're killing thinking feeling human beings!"

But some would be wrong. The population you described aren't thinking feeling human beings. They are the hollow shells of humans. Automata imitating us, but not truly alive. Not able to make choices. They are not people being killed. They are bacteria being eliminated for the good of mankind.

[Senkaku]

No one and nothing is invincible, don't worry. Every building in China and every person in it are able to be blown up, shot, tortured, etc, etc. I'm not a noob who's just going to be like "nope it's all made of indestructibilium and the people all have force fields so there".


However, my point is, even if the PLA is somehow completely destroyed and China's factories reduced to cinders, resistance will continue. The citizen body is so completely brainwashed that they would continue general resistance even without the direction of the state, and whatever remained of China's leadership would flee to the various bunkers and tunnel systems they've prepared for just such an event, to egg the occupied areas on in resisting the enemies of the Revolution and raising troops to send down out of the mountains to kill teh ebul capitalists. Basically, it would be almost impossible for anyone not willing to both take massive casualties and kill thousands or millions of civilians to invade China, and even if they somehow killed everyone in charge- which seems unlikely- resistance would continue and new leaders would rise up. And don't think the people in the reeducation camps could somehow be reintroduced to help, either- the Chinese would first try to kill them all if they were losing, and then if that didn't work, they would be killed or shunned when they were reintroduced because of their counterrevolutionary tendencies.

Basically, you can destroy the Chinese advance- with a lot of work- and you can destroy the factories and the farms and the cities, with even more work- but you can't destroy China, because the regime has been quite thorough in ensuring that its citizens will perpetuate its survival in such an event. Also, there are almost two billion of them, so... Yeah, that could be tricky.

If my leadership genuinely believed this, they might well decide that the best course of action would be to stop China's advance, then destroy the PLA, then nuke China flat. You really make it sound as if your citizens are almost infected with some sort of disease that makes them mindless drones. And it's best to nip these diseases in the bud.

Some might say: "You're killing thinking feeling human beings!"

But some would be wrong. The population you described aren't thinking feeling human beings. They are the hollow shells of humans. Automata imitating us, but not truly alive. Not able to make choices. They are not people being killed. They are bacteria being eliminated for the good of mankind.

Of course, no one would ever want to believe such a thing, and few people would- especially civilians voters on the home front who haven't actually seen it and would be horrified at images of little Chinese schoolchildren being shot to pieces.

Because after the first few attacks, you couldn't take the risk, could you? Even if people weren't going to do anything. It would not look good to voters, and also, the Chinese would safeguard their nuclear deterrent, which is mostly in vast, trackless wastes of Xinjiang and Tibet and hidden quite well.
So nuking China = national death.

[Senkaku]

No one and nothing is invincible, don't worry. Every building in China and every person in it are able to be blown up, shot, tortured, etc, etc. I'm not a noob who's just going to be like "nope it's all made of indestructibilium and the people all have force fields so there".


However, my point is, even if the PLA is somehow completely destroyed and China's factories reduced to cinders, resistance will continue. The citizen body is so completely brainwashed that they would continue general resistance even without the direction of the state, and whatever remained of China's leadership would flee to the various bunkers and tunnel systems they've prepared for just such an event, to egg the occupied areas on in resisting the enemies of the Revolution and raising troops to send down out of the mountains to kill teh ebul capitalists. Basically, it would be almost impossible for anyone not willing to both take massive casualties and kill thousands or millions of civilians to invade China, and even if they somehow killed everyone in charge- which seems unlikely- resistance would continue and new leaders would rise up. And don't think the people in the reeducation camps could somehow be reintroduced to help, either- the Chinese would first try to kill them all if they were losing, and then if that didn't work, they would be killed or shunned when they were reintroduced because of their counterrevolutionary tendencies.

Basically, you can destroy the Chinese advance- with a lot of work- and you can destroy the factories and the farms and the cities, with even more work- but you can't destroy China, because the regime has been quite thorough in ensuring that its citizens will perpetuate its survival in such an event. Also, there are almost two billion of them, so... Yeah, that could be tricky.


China has no interest in Australia- or, for that matter, Hawaii.

hmm there is a way that is considered a war crime. Deny the most needed ingredients to the population. Problem solved within 2 weeks tops.

I'm assuming you mean starving them. You'd just get resistance and rioting on such a large scale your military or whoever is doing the occupying could suffer catastrophic losses.


Also, Congreveopia, I will point out, children born under occupation, if they're taken away from their parents, could probably be taught to not be evil 1984 robots.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

hmm there is a way that is considered a war crime. Deny the most needed ingredients to the population. Problem solved within 2 weeks tops.

I'm assuming you mean starving them. You'd just get resistance and rioting on such a large scale your military or whoever is doing the occupying could suffer catastrophic losses.


Also, Congreveopia, I will point out, children born under occupation, if they're taken away from their parents, could probably be taught to not be evil 1984 robots.

I do not even need to occupy and deploy troops to do that. Destroy the domestic production and simply do not let in any convoys. And imperial military units are not against shooting at civilians if attacked. They will threat them as combatants. If need be even call in MOAB's and other strikes. And the empire is not in need of votes.

[Mitheldalond]

We don't have to defeat the Chinese populace to win. We have to defeat the Chinese military. After that, China ceases to be a threat for awhile. Killing the government or scaring them into hiding, and bombing industrial and manufacturing facilities, power plants, airports, and shipyards would eliminate China as a threat for some time.

[Imperii Magna]

Containment strategy. As long as we can discourage china from advancing, I believe that's a victory. Although in order for that to work, me, MGE, Padnak, and OS, would all have to co-operate, which isn't necessarily guaranteed.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Actually.... You would have to. Switzerland (or was it Sweden?) practiced this on a large scale. Their citizens and soldiers were told that any surrender by the government was enemy propaganda. They would fight to the death. Japan was even MORE so like this.

You would have to destroy the idea to even consider having won.

[Arvenia]

Application
Nation Name (Full):Empire of Vancon
Nation Name (Shortened):Vancon
Demonym:Vanconian
Capital:Provincia (only city)
Government Type Roman Dictatorship
Military Size:
700 million total( all citizens from 15 to 65 are considered a soldier)
100 million Active
Size of forces deployed:Third Foreign Legion has been dispatched. Possible reinforcements will be distributed depending on events.
Reason for involvement: To keep the peace.

Nation Name (Full): Republic of Padnak
Nation Name (Shortened): Padnak
Demonym: Padnaki
Capital:Morhovza
Government Type Military Junta operating under the auspices of a civilian republic
Military Size: 700,000 Active, 400,000 Reserve
Size of forces deployed: 700,000
Reason for involvement: Direct belligerent

Nation Name (Full): The Kingdom of Korva
Nation Name (Shortened): Korva
Demonym: Korvan
Capital: New Constantine
Government Type Constitutional Monarchy
Military Size: 131,000 all branches.
Size of forces deployed: Depends
Reason for involvement: For glorious advancement of Korvan-Oaledonian hegemony.

Nation Name (Full):Macedonian Grand Empire
1.
Nation Name (Shortened): MGE
Demonym: Macedonian
Capital: Kristijanopolis
Government Type: Empire
Military Size: At best in the RP it will go to 350-400.000 troops
Size of forces deployed: 150.000 And the 37th Fleet of the Imperial navy
Reason for involvement: Protection of Diamond Harbor and the Imperial Aleutian Islands
2.
Nation Name (Full): The Republic of North Desrenkov
Nation Name (Shortened): ND
Demonym: Desrenkovians
Capital: Cinigrad
Government Type: Republic with a life long president
Military Size: 30 million
Size of forces deployed: Initial force 150.000 people
Reason for involvement: N.D has a MPP with the Macedonian Grand Empire, Large arms supplier to Padnak, protecting N.D investment in Padnak

Nation Name (Full): United Socialist State of DEN
Nation Name (Shortened): USSD (or just DEN)
Demonym: Namenian
Capital: Hochburg
Government Type Socialist Empire
Military Size: 1% draft, so 10 million
Size of forces deployed: 3 million at first...
Reason for involvement: To stop the Japanese, and to secure a foothold in the Pacific

Nation Name (Full): The Republic of Exantos
Nation Name (Shortened): Exantos
Demonym: Exantonians
Capital: The City of the Sword
Government Type: Hell we had a revolution, anarchy I guess... Ok probably inoffensive Democracy or something like that
Military Size: 1% of my population's young so maybe 15 million.
Size of forces deployed: Several small task forces nothing major so maybe 300-500 thousand. if I need more I'll inform everyone on the OOC
Reason for involvement: Loved the first and since school's started need something to help me procastinate . Also people I know are involved in this one as well.

Nation Name (Full): The Research Testbed of Congreveopia
Nation Name (Shortened): Congreveopia
Demonym: Congreveopian
Capital: Congreveopolis
Government Type: Democratically elected dictatorship
Military Size: 00.5% of population, so about 8 million
Size of forces deployed: A few military ships in the area at first. I might deploy more later as the situation develops.
Reason for involvement: Previous ties with nations involved, and just generally meddling in other people's affairs.

Nation Name (Full): The Republican Confederacy of Organized States
Nation Name (Shortened): The Organized States
Demonym: N/A (do you want to just refer to the OS as Americans considering I've just become an Alternate Universe US?)
Capital: Fairford
Government Type Representative Democracy
Military Size: The Draft will come out (especially if Oale decides to Pearl Harbor me).
Current:
2.5 million (including all branches)
13 carriers (not including Assault Ships)
15,938 aircraft
30,000+ armored vehicles
Size of forces deployed: Will slowly increase over time, and I'll provide an ORBAT everytime
Reason for involvement: Major Pacific Power, territories across the Pacific, moving to defend allies

Nation Name (Full): The Kingdom of Mitheldalond
Nation Name (Shortened): Mitheldalond
Demonym: Mitheldalondian
Capital: Ciryalondë
Government Type: Constitutional/democratic monarchy
Military Size: Including reserves, ~18 million: 4.5 million combat, 13.5 million logistics. Relax, probably almost 90% are in reserves, and more than half the active force is dedicated to defense only.
Size of forces deployed: None yet. Max I can readily deploy is 2 supercarriers (Kitty Hawk-class), 4 fleet carriers (not!Queen Elizabeth-class), and 8 light carriers (not!Audacious-class) along with escorts. Ground forces are limited to a single division, deployed by an amphibious assault group. It would take about a month to mobilize additional forces. Initial deployment will be no more than a few ships, and there's a good chance you'll never see my ground troops.
Reason for involvement:IC, intervening against imperialism, initially at least. OOC, this sounds quite fun, and knowing several of the people involved, is likely to be somewhere between epic and hilarious. Either way, it should be entertaining.

Nation Name (Full): The Democratic Republic of Yukonastan
Nation Name (Shortened): Yukonastan
Demonym: Yukoni
Capital: Whitegrad
Government Type Democratic Socialist
Military Size: 100 000
Size of forces deployed: 10 000
Reason for involvement: Meddling in foreign affairs, we heard there was going to be utter chaos, and we wanted a cut of the cake.

Nation Name (Full): Democratic Socialist People's Confederation of China and Eastern Asia
Nation Name (Shortened): China, Eastasia
Demonym: Chinese
Capital: Xinhuajing (near Wuhan)
Government Type: oligarchical collectivism (authoritarian single-party state)
Military Size: ~2.0 million active troops, ~800,000 reserves
I'm adding a history section, just to sorta explain the nation:
Following World War Two, Soviet forces annexed much of Manchuria, Mongolia, and parts of the Xinjiang region. Mao proceeded to win the civil war and successfully invaded Taiwan, finishing Chiang off, but he was assassinated the day after Taipei fell by a Nationalist sympathizer. Several regions broke away, including Yunnan, Taiwan, Hainan, and Xi'an, declaring Communist regimes in each area- the Communalist Clique of Yunnan, the Taiwan People's Republic, the Hainan Socialist State, and, in Xi'an and Central China, a rather unusual regime- Communist, but headed by an Emperor, who declared a new dynasty, which ran and acted and talked exactly like a Communist regime.
Zhou Enlai took power in this sudden scene of chaos, and, with his armies fractured, had to use his diplomatic skills, and, over the course of two year of diplomacy and well-applied force, formed the Confederation that exists today, including some northern elements of the Viet Minh and the Pathet Lao. The Kingdom of Tibet was also peacefully incorporated. The head of state, a concession to Chinese tradition, is the Emperor of the new Hóng dynasty, but the emperor is entirely a figurehead, who holds a number of ceremonial titles. The government preaches Maoist doctrines in its propaganda, glorifies patriots and liberators like Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and Sun Yat-sen, and, in general, is a devoutly Communist regime. In the early years, they received huge amounts of aid from the Soviets, but following the Xinhuajing-Moscow Split of 1973, have largely made their own way in developing industry and technology.
So, basically, China doesn't have Manchuria or a chunk of Xinjiang, and is more of a tight-knit confederation of various Communist regimes, which have all basically been incorporated to be one government with nominal independent regions. Tibet is somewhat more autonomous, with its own weeeeird blend of Communism based loosely off Tibetan Buddhism.
Size of forces deployed: don't know yet, I expect it could be all of them, depending on what Japan does.
Reason for involvement: Leery of any Japanese resurgence due to bad experiences in WW2 with all that stuff.

Nation Name (Full): The Confederacy of Imperii Magna
Nation Name (Shortened): Imperii Magna
Demonym: Perussi
Capital: Civatem
Government Type Almost a corporatocracy, but some things are controlled by government
Military Size: 10 million, we are willing to go up to 38 million max. 40% air force, 20% Army, 10% Navy, and 30% reserves. We also have lots of nukes if the time comes
Size of forces deployed: 300,000 may increase
Reason for involvement: Hopefully colonize new land and to show military power, assert dominance.

Nation Name (Full): The Grand Imperial Union of The Imazunese Federation
Nation Name (Shortened): The Imazunese Federation
Demonym: Imazun, Imazunese
Capital: Miyako
Government Type Imperial Theocracy
Military Size: Over 9,000
Size of forces deployed: 350,000 troops. I'll post in detail when I'm not lazy.
Reason for involvement: 4 tuh lulz

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Oh boy... Broken thread.

Fear not. It shall be fixed. Stupid spoiler quotes...