PitP 2: Pan Pacific Pandemonium(SignUps, OOC,PMT, Limt FanT)

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Wow DEN... Seriously? A turbofan, turbojet, and jet engine are all the same thing?!?!?! And they "work on the same principles"? Turbojets, and jet engines, are used for airplanes. I won't go into specifics, but a M1 Abrams, for example, runs on a gas turbine engine. This basically just works like a steam power plant. It just uses air instead of water. It's somewhat debatable whether an absolutely MASSIVE one could power a coilgun, but for a railgun, it definitely needs a nuclear reactor. (I know you're only talking about coilguns, but just putting that out there)

Alright, I was thinking of the wrong thing again.

Regardless, I'm going to wait for Vancon and Padnak's decision on this...

[Congreveopia]

And Congreveopia... You yourself lack the inability to actually analyze and interpret the data that is in front of you.

If you told me to tell you how a gun would be useful, would you want me to tell you how it works? Of course you would! No. Not you, though. You just want to know if it goes pew pew pew.

How would it be difficult...

It's a bullet going through a barrel that's being accelerated by an electromagnet. That is entirely possible to put rifling on. And another thing. I can use a generator to produce electricity, no? And could I not store it up in a rechargeable battery?

I suppose you have me to rights in the idea that an explanation of effectiveness necessitates an explanation of design. However, I stand by my statement that you answered an easier question than the one posed, as the main issues people took with your design were along the lines of power consumption, reliability, and more. Instead of addressing these issues and thereby putting the debate to rest, you chose to describe what a coil gun was and what size rounds you would use. Neither of these were points of contention, and neither of these resolved any aspects of the debate, so your description did not help resolve MGE's questions or any of the other relevant ones, and I believe it was an attempt by you to evade the question.

Also, what data did I misinterpret? MGE just stated that I understood his question. Did I miss part of your response?

On a side note, I don't actually care how it works or whether it goes pew pew pew. I'm letting others discuss the science, and just calling you out on one of your debate tactics.I'll only step into the scientific part of the discussion if everyone else gets tired and stops challenging you before you present compelling evidence to support your side.

[Imperii Magna]

It's just so frustrating when someone who has had multiple pieces of evidence to contradict them, still is very stubborn, and refuses to even do very minimal research. I really don't want to escalate this much further, but DEN, you've already been given a second chance. If I were you, I would take advantage of it and just try to let it go. Also, your signature is extremely ironic and completely accurate of yourself.

Now, yoga breathing time...

EDIT- I just now saw your most recent post, DEN, and while I have no idea what you're referring to when you said you were thinking the wrong thing, I take it as a sign of peace, and support your decision to wait for the opinion of Padnak and/or Vancon.

[Congreveopia]

Can everyone... Like chill out...

That'd be like radical... Man...

Someone fetch the tear gas. The hippies are loose again.

[Organized States]

Can everyone... Like chill out...

That'd be like radical... Man...

Someone fetch the tear gas. The hippies are loose again.

[Exantos]

It's just so frustrating when someone who has had multiple pieces of evidence to contradict them, still is very stubborn, and refuses to even do very minimal research. I really don't want to escalate this much further, but DEN, you've already been given a second chance. If I were you, I would take advantage of it and just try to let it go. Also, your signature is extremely ironic and completely accurate of yourself.

Now, yoga breathing time...

EDIT- I just now saw your most recent post, DEN, and while I have no idea what you're referring to when you said you were thinking the wrong thing, I take it as a sign of peace, and support your decision to wait for the opinion of Padnak and/or Vancon.

Yes I may have to consider revoking your right to use that DEN considering these new developments ...

[Imperii Magna]

Oh and everybody, I'm sorry but I may have been ill-informed in an earlier post, where I said coilguns have a lower rate of fire than railguns or conventional guns, but now I'm not sure. It's hard to find information on this.

[Padnak]

DEN, I'd suggest you lay off it


you're only still in this on the good grace of Vancon, if I had my way I'd have kicked you out a while back with no second chances

[Senkaku]

Like I said, they'd have to be large and clumsy if they were to produce the necessary power for this type of weapon, or else their projectiles aren't going to do really anything, plus it'd need to lug around a big computer to calculate when to turn the magnets off and on. And the coilgun would be easy to knock out- shoot the coils, take out the wiring, give the computer that's calculating when to fire each magnet a bit of a bump, etc., etc. It just wouldn't be practical.

I use a smaller round because of that.

Wrong on those fronts...
Tanks use TURBINE ENGINES not jet engines. And no they are not the same.
A capacitator will need ages to be recharged. Also lets not forget that the engine needs to keep all the systems of the tanks running as well as the tank itself. It would be a miracle if you manage to shoot 2 times in an hour. And lets not forget a tank does not have the space needed for a capacitator at its present size.

It's the same thing to a normal person. Turbine, Jet, Turbofan, Turbojet, they all work on the same principles.

This is PMT nimrod.

And Congreveopia... You yourself lack the inability to actually analyze and interpret the data that is in front of you.

If you told me to tell you how a gun would be useful, would you want me to tell you how it works? Of course you would! No. Not you, though. You just want to know if it goes pew pew pew.

How would it be difficult...

It's a bullet going through a barrel that's being accelerated by an electromagnet. That is entirely possible to put rifling on. And another thing. I can use a generator to produce electricity, no? And could I not store it up in a rechargeable battery?

This quote has so much bad I feel the need to do something more drastic.

Senkaku's Mega-Post of Criticism: Season Two: Problems in the Pacific

Like I said, they'd have to be large and clumsy if they were to produce the necessary power for this type of weapon, or else their projectiles aren't going to do really anything, plus it'd need to lug around a big computer to calculate when to turn the magnets off and on. And the coilgun would be easy to knock out- shoot the coils, take out the wiring, give the computer that's calculating when to fire each magnet a bit of a bump, etc., etc. It just wouldn't be practical.

I use a smaller round because of that.

That's not what I was talking about at all. I was not talking about the weight of the fucking round. That had no bearing on the conversation. There is literally no way you could have thought that except by deliberate misinterpretation because you knew you were wrong. I was explicitly talking about the viability of a coilgun/Gauss tank-mounted gun, which has nothing to do with how big or small the round is. You said you were using 75mm or 155mm shells, so this really is an irrelevant comment that shows you don't understand what I was saying.

It's the same thing to a normal person. Turbine, Jet, Turbofan, Turbojet, they all work on the same principles.

I've seen some dumb comments made on NS. This isn't the worst (some guy was claiming the greater the mass, the less gravity a celestial body had), but it stacks right up there.

This is PMT nimrod.

Borderline flaming and quite rude. Also, "its PMT" is not a magical password that lets you do what you want.

And Congreveopia... You yourself lack the inability to actually analyze and interpret the data that is in front of you.

Oh, you mean the almost-nonexistent data you've provided? Or the random stuff you've been going on about without any sources, which has little to no relevancy to the question that was asked? Please, tell me which you meant.

Also, this is rude and arrogant.

If you told me to tell you how a gun would be useful, would you want me to tell you how it works? Of course you would! No. Not you, though. You just want to know if it goes pew pew pew.

Yes, I would want you to tell me how it works, although in much more detailed terms than the very vague and broad outline you gave us that describes literally every coilgun on Earth. But I'd also want you to explain why it's effective, which you didn't do at all.

It's a bullet going through a barrel that's being accelerated by an electromagnet. That is entirely possible to put rifling on.

I'm not sure whether or not it would be possible to rifle a coilgun, but I have some doubts about that. I'm going to consider this bullshit until I see a source.
Also, it's not a bullet, and it's being accelerated by multiple electromagnets.

And another thing. I can use a generator to produce electricity, no? And could I not store it up in a rechargeable battery?

Also known as the tank's bloody engine, and a capacitor bank. If you're going to pretend you know about this, try and use the big words.


In conclusion, DEN doesn't know what the fuck he's on about and needs to stop arguing about it. It has been established by literally every other member of the thread and now the OP that your absurd COD-wet-dream weapons systems are completely impractical, PMT setting or no. If you want to use lots of normal-ish weapons and add technical IC shit about how advanced they are, fine. But stop trying to make them actually seem scientifically viable and more powerful.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

DEN, I'd suggest you lay off it


you're only still in this on the good grace of Vancon, if I had my way I'd have kicked you out a while back with no second chances

We're waiting for the OP's opinion.

[Senkaku]

DEN, I'd suggest you lay off it


you're only still in this on the good grace of Vancon, if I had my way I'd have kicked you out a while back with no second chances

We're waiting for the OP's opinion.

I believe Padnak is the fucking OP. At least of the IC, which means he can tell you to not post any of this in the IC.

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

How about you leave me the fuck alone, Senkaku? Maybe this is why Oale doesn't like you.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

We're waiting for the OP's opinion.

I believe Padnak is the fucking OP. At least of the IC, which means he can tell you to not post any of this in the IC.

7. Padnak is the op of the ooc and co-op of the IC, Vancon is the op of the IC and co-op of the OOC

[Padnak]

I'm the op of the OOC

So

given that this is the OOC

That would make me the OP in this current situation

and I'm also the Co-op of the IC

[Senkaku]

I believe Padnak is the fucking OP. At least of the IC, which means he can tell you to not post any of this in the IC.

7. Padnak is the op of the ooc and co-op of the IC, Vancon is the op of the IC and co-op of the OOC

Okay. Same thing, really. They're both In Charge.

[Congreveopia]

I believe Padnak is the fucking OP. At least of the IC, which means he can tell you to not post any of this in the IC.

7. Padnak is the op of the ooc and co-op of the IC, Vancon is the op of the IC and co-op of the OOC

I'm guessing that Padnak has a lot more influence over Vancon than DEN does, so I'm curious what DEN hopes to gain by rudley insinuating that Vancon is the only OP that matters.

Clarification upon rereading and deciding that my statement's point wasn't as clear as I wanted: Even if DEN thought that only Vancon had authority, it still wouldn't serve his interests to be rude to Padnak, and yet he is. I am curious why he would do this.

[Padnak]

DEN, can you just leave-

[Korva]

At least Padnak gets the satisfaction of telling Vancon "I told you so".

[Congreveopia]

At least Padnak gets the satisfaction of telling Vancon "I told you so".

Assuming Vancon agrees to kick DEN a second time. Otherwise we get to watch a war of the Gods OPs.

[Padnak]

At least Padnak gets the satisfaction of telling Vancon "I told you so".

oh

oh yes...

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

DEN, can you just leave-

I'm going to be in the IC.

[Organized States]

Crap. I've got to write a three page report on the Air War during World War 2 (thank god it's something I know).

[Die Erworbenen Namen]

Crap. I've got to write a three page report on the Air War during World War 2 (thank god it's something I know).

I can help!

[Organized States]

Crap. I've got to write a three page report on the Air War during World War 2 (thank god it's something I know).

I can help!

I'll TG you.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

DEN, can you just leave-

I'm going to be in the IC.

You need to understand. You were given a second chance in the RP. You came once again without any basic arguments when you said something and got challenged.