PitP 2: Pan Pacific Pandemonium(SignUps, OOC,PMT, Limt FanT)

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Have a great time at school. believe it or not I miss school...

Theres nothing to miss about it mate

I was saying the same things when I was in high school. But now man how much I want to be back...

[Padnak]

Theres nothing to miss about it mate

I was saying the same things when I was in high school. But now man how much I want to be back...

The shitty teachers, shitty building, shitty people and shitty food

its ok

just shitty

[Mitheldalond]

Ok I know that you guys have already said your opinion railguns, but I've been doing some research on them. Apparently, the US Navy plans to have the Blizer railgun system implemented into it's Zumwalt-class destroyers by 2016. Considering that this war takes place in 2025, I would expect some advances in railgun technology. General Atomics has even unveiled a version of the Blitzer that is landbased. Now, I know there are significant restrictions on their use IRL, like the fact that they usually need nearly 25 megawatts to be used optimally, which is why the only warships with enough power to use them are the Zumwalt-class. So, while they obviously won't be practical enough to use as a primary weapon, would it be reasonable to have a significant portion of my navy be dedicated "railgun ships"? Also, maybe a few experimental land-based versions. Although they would be far less practical, as they have to be propelled by two big trucks in this cumbersome carriage thing: http://i.imgur.com/700rHVL.jpg

So... yeah. That's all I have to say

Missiles are and always shall be superior to guns. At least for naval warfare.

Also, if we're going to be using orbital weapons, then I'm going to break out the Orion drive space cruisers. Of course, I'd have to design them first, and I don't really feel like doing that. Besides, if orbital weapons come into this, then my navy is going to start shooting down every satellite in the sky that isn't mine.

[Imperii Magna]

I firmly believe in the power of railguns and coilguns to be effective. However they are very specialized and so to have an adequate force you need to combine them-- the can both do things the others can't.

[Senkaku]

I firmly believe in the power of railguns and coilguns to be effective. However they are very specialized and so to have an adequate force you need to combine them-- the can both do things the others can't.

railguns/gauss weapons in general r just long range, powerful guns that use lots of power & r super finicky. their shells are just as dumb and unable to correct as an 18-incher from a Yamato. high-supersonic guided missiles deliver larger payloads, farther, and more accurately.

i would make a longer post but im stuck on my super-shitty phone on a school trip. which means no IC and little OOC from me till friday, unless I somehow escape or I get a better device that im allowed to use.

so sad. plz dont go 2 far w/out me.

[Oaledonia]

Railguns have their roles as cheap bombardment and CIWS, that's about it.

[Padnak]

Railguns have their roles as cheap bombardment and CIWS, that's about it.

nah

[Exantos]

It's very surprising that people think I'm talking about Railguns when I was talking about Dragon Fire. First off all that's just a code name for the stations and second their basically rods being dropped to earth but they would have the effect of a WMD without the radiation mess later. If anyone's seen G.I. Joe Retaliation they know what I'm talking about although in the movie they exaggerated it quite a bit. So tired because of school I can't spell anything. Also I won't use it because it is the equivalent of a WMD in some aspects. But I will have stealth cruisers which are really cool because the US Navy has one or two right now and they're a marvelous technology.

[Organized States]

Uhh...

I just lost my entire post about spying on the Chinese, moving Carrier Strike Groups out of port, and responding to everything.

[Exantos]

Uhh...

I just lost my entire post about spying on the Chinese, moving Carrier Strike Groups out of port, and responding to everything.

There there just rewrite it and everything will be fine.

[Organized States]

Uhh...

I just lost my entire post about spying on the Chinese, moving Carrier Strike Groups out of port, and responding to everything.

There there just rewrite it and everything will be fine.

Took me like an hour...

I'll redo it tomorrow. I've got Mustangs to get to Australia you know.

[Mitheldalond]

I firmly believe in the power of railguns and coilguns to be effective. However they are very specialized and so to have an adequate force you need to combine them-- the can both do things the others can't.

Oh? What can a railgun do that a missile can't?

It's very surprising that people think I'm talking about Railguns when I was talking about Dragon Fire. First off all that's just a code name for the stations and second their basically rods being dropped to earth but they would have the effect of a WMD without the radiation mess later. If anyone's seen G.I. Joe Retaliation they know what I'm talking about although in the movie they exaggerated it quite a bit. So tired because of school I can't spell anything. Also I won't use it because it is the equivalent of a WMD in some aspects. But I will have stealth cruisers which are really cool because the US Navy has one or two right now and they're a marvelous technology.

If you mean the Zumwalts, I personally think they're rather stupid. Compared to the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, the Zumwalts carry fewer missiles, are almost 100 ft longer, and cost almost $2 billion more. They carry no anti-ship missiles and no CIWS, while the Burkes have Harpoons and 2 Phalanxs. The Zumwalt's 155mm guns even had a lighter version designed that would fit on a Burke.

[Congreveopia]

I firmly believe in the power of railguns and coilguns to be effective. However they are very specialized and so to have an adequate force you need to combine them-- the can both do things the others can't.

Oh? What can a railgun do that a missile can't?

It's very surprising that people think I'm talking about Railguns when I was talking about Dragon Fire. First off all that's just a code name for the stations and second their basically rods being dropped to earth but they would have the effect of a WMD without the radiation mess later. If anyone's seen G.I. Joe Retaliation they know what I'm talking about although in the movie they exaggerated it quite a bit. So tired because of school I can't spell anything. Also I won't use it because it is the equivalent of a WMD in some aspects. But I will have stealth cruisers which are really cool because the US Navy has one or two right now and they're a marvelous technology.

If you mean the Zumwalts, I personally think they're rather stupid. Compared to the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, the Zumwalts carry fewer missiles, are almost 100 ft longer, and cost almost $2 billion more. They carry no anti-ship missiles and no CIWS, while the Burkes have Harpoons and 2 Phalanxs. The Zumwalt's 155mm guns even had a lighter version designed that would fit on a Burke.

I think Exantos means that he has his own ships incorporating stealth similar to the ones exhibited on the Zumwalts, not that he actually uses Zumwalts.

EDIT: I checked this with Exantos. He does indeed mean that.

[Korva]

We still need IC posts from Mitheldalond, Oaledonia, Organized States, and The Republic of Exantos.

Also, polandballs from Senkaku

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

It's very surprising that people think I'm talking about Railguns when I was talking about Dragon Fire. First off all that's just a code name for the stations and second their basically rods being dropped to earth but they would have the effect of a WMD without the radiation mess later. If anyone's seen G.I. Joe Retaliation they know what I'm talking about although in the movie they exaggerated it quite a bit. So tired because of school I can't spell anything. Also I won't use it because it is the equivalent of a WMD in some aspects. But I will have stealth cruisers which are really cool because the US Navy has one or two right now and they're a marvelous technology.

And they are not stealth... They carry stealth like technology in order to minimize the radar signature, but stealth not really. They are too large for that. Especially going on cruiser size.

[Yukonastan]

I firmly believe in the power of railguns and coilguns to be effective. However they are very specialized and so to have an adequate force you need to combine them-- the can both do things the others can't.

Oh? What can a railgun do that a missile can't?

Railguns are very fast kinetic energy weapons. I believe that the Navy tested ones achieve Mach 7 or so, if not higher.

It's very surprising that people think I'm talking about Railguns when I was talking about Dragon Fire. First off all that's just a code name for the stations and second their basically rods being dropped to earth but they would have the effect of a WMD without the radiation mess later. If anyone's seen G.I. Joe Retaliation they know what I'm talking about although in the movie they exaggerated it quite a bit. So tired because of school I can't spell anything. Also I won't use it because it is the equivalent of a WMD in some aspects. But I will have stealth cruisers which are really cool because the US Navy has one or two right now and they're a marvelous technology.

If you mean the Zumwalts, I personally think they're rather stupid. Compared to the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, the Zumwalts carry fewer missiles, are almost 100 ft longer, and cost almost $2 billion more. They carry no anti-ship missiles and no CIWS, while the Burkes have Harpoons and 2 Phalanxs. The Zumwalt's 155mm guns even had a lighter version designed that would fit on a Burke.

He may mean the LCS-2 USS Independence and its sister ships. (All the even-numbered littoral combat ships.)

[Imperii Magna]

I firmly believe in the power of railguns and coilguns to be effective. However they are very specialized and so to have an adequate force you need to combine them-- the can both do things the others can't.

Oh? What can a railgun do that a missile can't?

It's very surprising that people think I'm talking about Railguns when I was talking about Dragon Fire. First off all that's just a code name for the stations and second their basically rods being dropped to earth but they would have the effect of a WMD without the radiation mess later. If anyone's seen G.I. Joe Retaliation they know what I'm talking about although in the movie they exaggerated it quite a bit. So tired because of school I can't spell anything. Also I won't use it because it is the equivalent of a WMD in some aspects. But I will have stealth cruisers which are really cool because the US Navy has one or two right now and they're a marvelous technology.

If you mean the Zumwalts, I personally think they're rather stupid. Compared to the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, the Zumwalts carry fewer missiles, are almost 100 ft longer, and cost almost $2 billion more. They carry no anti-ship missiles and no CIWS, while the Burkes have Harpoons and 2 Phalanxs. The Zumwalt's 155mm guns even had a lighter version designed that would fit on a Burke.

Well, as has been stated, they can travel much faster, which is a big advantage, and therefore can also be used to counter missiles. But one of the main things is that a railgun can strike a target within only a few seconds or minutes. Also, yes, the Zumwalts are pretty useless besides the fact that they have a lot of surplus electricity and can therefore accommodate railguns.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Write in on the Europe class Cruisers: Rail guns to be added.
Also rail guns have the same range as conventional guns. They are not the same as missiles as railguns are direct fire weapons.

[Imperii Magna]

Write in on the Europe class Cruisers: Rail guns to be added.
Also rail guns have the same range as conventional guns. They are not the same as missiles as railguns are direct fire weapons.

I guess it's true that they theoretically can be made to have the same ranges railguns, but I think that would be impractical, because the gun would have to be massive. Also, yes, I know they arent the same thing as missiles, but railguns can be used from a great range as indirect fire weapons to attack very distant targets. Although, yes, they do have very low firing arc.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Write in on the Europe class Cruisers: Rail guns to be added.
Also rail guns have the same range as conventional guns. They are not the same as missiles as railguns are direct fire weapons.

I guess it's true that they theoretically can be made to have the same ranges railguns, but I think that would be impractical, because the gun would have to be massive. Also, yes, I know they arent the same thing as missiles, but railguns can be used from a great range as indirect fire weapons to attack very distant targets. Although, yes, they do have very low firing arc.

Due to the low ark. It is nearly a strait line with rail guns in order to get the range you will need to fire from an elevated position. That is why I say it is a direct fire weapon.

[Imperii Magna]

I guess it's true that they theoretically can be made to have the same ranges railguns, but I think that would be impractical, because the gun would have to be massive. Also, yes, I know they arent the same thing as missiles, but railguns can be used from a great range as indirect fire weapons to attack very distant targets. Although, yes, they do have very low firing arc.

Due to the low ark. It is nearly a strait line with rail guns in order to get the range you will need to fire from an elevated position. That is why I say it is a direct fire weapon.

Yes. However, they do have the ability to decrease velocity and shoot as an arc to hit distant targets.

[Yukonastan]

I guess it's true that they theoretically can be made to have the same ranges railguns, but I think that would be impractical, because the gun would have to be massive. Also, yes, I know they arent the same thing as missiles, but railguns can be used from a great range as indirect fire weapons to attack very distant targets. Although, yes, they do have very low firing arc.

Due to the low ark. It is nearly a strait line with rail guns in order to get the range you will need to fire from an elevated position. That is why I say it is a direct fire weapon.

Gravity affects all things equally. The Navy railgun just shoots its long rod penetrators at hypersonic velocities, about 2400 metres per second, which are only about one and a half times higher than the L-55 tank gun can achieve, in the range of 1600 to 1750 metres per second.

This equates to about one and a half times the range if the cannons fire ammunition weighing the same.

That isn't, however, a nonexistent ballistic arc. While it is 2/3ds as curved as the arc of a conventional cannon (assuming the L55 for shits and giggles), it's still there, and must still be compensated for.

Direct-fire won't happen unless you get massive velocities out of your railguns bordering on 5km/s.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Due to the low ark. It is nearly a strait line with rail guns in order to get the range you will need to fire from an elevated position. That is why I say it is a direct fire weapon.

Gravity affects all things equally. The Navy railgun just shoots its long rod penetrators at hypersonic velocities, about 2400 metres per second, which are only about one and a half times higher than the L-55 tank gun can achieve, in the range of 1600 to 1750 metres per second.

This equates to about one and a half times the range if the cannons fire ammunition weighing the same.

That isn't, however, a nonexistent ballistic arc. While it is 2/3ds as curved as the arc of a conventional cannon (assuming the L55 for shits and giggles), it's still there, and must still be compensated for.

Direct-fire won't happen unless you get massive velocities out of your railguns bordering on 5km/s.

Tank guns are considered as direct fire guns. They are not indirect fire guns like they are on the artillery.

[Imperii Magna]

We need more IC posts!

[Congreveopia]

We need more IC posts!

Waiting for Oale.