Ban Religion - Be Exterminated (Attn: San Franutsco)

[Tahar Joblis]

OOC: Several problems here, most critically with your "counter-retaliatory" measures. First, missile bases are generally hardened against nuclear attack - you're using 5 kt warheads on those, which is in the range of strikes that deeply buried silos' hardening can actually be effective against. Second, you're assuming that Cerantia has allowed you to put your alleged "nuclear-powered communications satellites" into LEOs over their airspace for years - not only their airspace, but the LEO airspace of a number of highly paranoid rogue states that these weapons would have to overfly - which strikes me as generally unlikely. If you're going to disguise something as a communications satellite, claiming it's a nuclear powered communications satellite is like saying "Please knock them down ASAP."

Third, you need hundreds of thousands of warheads in the orbital program alone - not hundreds of thousands total, hundreds of thousands on board suspicious "nuclear communications satellites," to provide for hundreds of near-immediate flights onto a small target. Then you're launching thousands in your OP. Orbit things with the acceleration capability of ICBMs Fourth, even from LEO, 30 seconds is an unlikely travel time from the initiation of the de-orbiting command to a precisely targeted location. Essentially, what you need is the last half of an ICBM's orbital path to go from LEO to the ground. Unless you have truly obscene amounts of reaction mass stored on these supposed communications satellites and some very high thrust rockets (i.e., making these satellites really obvious as to their purpose, and hence shot down even if you weren't claiming them to be nuclear powered communications satellites in the least convincing excuse ever), it's going to generally take several minutes for them to arrive.

That's about how long an ICBM takes to go into its boost phase, and those generally are only going up to sub-orbital altitudes. Sure, gravity is working for you instead of against you, but that's only one gravity of acceleration.

Sixth, tactically, as a counter-retaliatory strike, you just only struck known missile silos. Unknown missile defence or silo sites aside.

That's just the technical problems with that post. Most likely Cerantia, for example, would not be able to respond in any case to a massed ICBM strike, but this leads us to our strategic problem: Do you want to blow your giant expensive space-nuke wad in a way that makes it clear to other large old nations that it's time to obliterate you?

[New Zepuha]

OOC: Zephua, honey, you don't have nukes yet. You're too new. And that was a god-mode. You do not post the other person's damage or their casualties.

let me void the causlties and yes i had joint funding from and allie on nuke program.

[Vampyricia]

OOC: Zephua, honey, you don't have nukes yet. You're too new. And that was a god-mode. You do not post the other person's damage or their casualties.

let me void the causlties and yes i had joint funding from and allie on nuke program.

OOC: ...No, you didn't. If it wasn't RPed out on here, if you don't have evidence, then you didn't. And said ally also needs to be able to afford the things.

[Tahar Joblis]

By the time the ICBMs actually would arrive, there would probably be very little to hit. Parthia had unleashed almost 6 gigatons of nuclear weaponry on San Franutsco in less than 1 hour in four waves, and 10 further gigatons in the last wave, more than enough to completely melt the surface into glass and render it utterly uninhabitable and irradiated for decades. It was probable that almost nothing in San Franutsco was left alive once the last MIRVs fell, everything would be wiped out in a single, traumatic hour of hell.

Banning religion, when the Shahdom of Parthia wanted to stop it, would now hold it's own cost, 622 million people evaporated in plasma clouds of nuclear fireballs.

OOC: And yeah, declaring the other person has no chance to respond and enumerating casualties for them is CLASSIC godmod. I would not blame him for deciding to completely ignore you on that basis.

[Allemande]

“It looks like it’s going to be a hat trick, all right,” Secretary of State Donald Roulier said, watching the plots of the Zephuan nuclear strikes at Parthia. “Four missiles won’t be enough to penetrate Parthia’s ABM defenses, and two bombers certainly won’t make it through the Shahdom’s air defenses.”

“It does pose a bit of a problem for Parthia, though,” President Blum pointed out. “Their submarine fleet will be running low on missiles. I doubt that even they have enough SLBMs on hand to destroy four nations.”

“Let’s hope not,” Roulier agreed. “New Zephua is small – how did they ever get ICBMs with just 6 million people anyway? - so it won’t take much of an effort for the Shahdom to blow them clean off the map. Still, it all adds up: A nation of 627 million, one of 16 million, and one of 6 million.” The Secretary of State shook his head. “The last two are little more than provinces compared to San Franutsco, but even so.”

“Maybe ammunition will be the Queendom’s saving grace.” mused the President. “393 million people is not a small nation; the Shah will want to make sure that he does the thing right.”

“Perhaps,” the Secretary of Defence agreed. “We can only wait and see.”

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OOC: There is a thread that was created some time ago for the purpose of debating this and other subjects: “Argument Thread OOC Modern Tech Only”. Like its FT counterpart, using it can never be considered a gravedig.

[Zooey Deschanel]

The ambassador looked slightly confused an the Allemanden. "You do realize our retaliation is ready, as we speak, to launch. Everything in place and fueled. If we detect a whisper of an attack, we counterattack immediately. Our missiles would be en route before theirs fell. That is the purpose of DEFCON 1, to be ready. It'd only take a matter of seconds for word of attack to reach High Command, and the counterattack would begin before the first missile entered our airspace. Unless they're teleporting them, ha!

"Frankly, we could accidently attack if one of our spy satellites suffered an electrical failure that looked like it was being jammed, or a neighboring country made an unannounced rocket launch... not prudent, I'd wager. But the finger is on the trigger, and the hammer is back."

[New Zepuha]

The allie Was Monoff.

I withdraw all troops from area.

[Emporer Pudu]

Statement from the Foreign Affairs Office;
The Dominion of Emperor Pudu Jilang XLII does not practice religion among the hive-compounds, being that the Farmer-caste drones are not capable of many higher brain functions and therefore the Dominion does not need any religion to ensure their loyalty to the state. Among the higher castes the worship of the Emperor is encouraged by the Council on Heritage. Among the Khung populations ancetor worship is thought by Pudite state anthropologists to be the primary religious method of expression. Practice of non-state religion is punishable by death, but so is being a Khung.

Good day,
Mr. White

OOC: You little nations are making a mistake if you think any good will come of your getting stuck in with Parthia. Bad things happen to people who do. While what he did was unprecedented to you, it was and is possible, and has happened in the past. Threads like this come to no good out-of or in-character. San Franutsco is gone, whether anything gets ignored is up to the player, speculating just clutters the thread. So does random out-of-character irrelevencies.

[Nihilio]

Lady Amara pouted slightly. "Damn. They just had to go do something that stupid, didn't they. I wanted that little nation!" She looked over at one of her advisors. "Send a message to Parthia to request clarification of their intent. If they hold off, we'll annex those Zepuhan idiots, not least for their crimes against grammar and spelling. If they intend to glass it, we'll just watch from afar."

"Of course, my lady." He hurried off to send the message.

If the Shah of Parthia let Zepuha live, Amara fully intended to invade the arrogant little speck. The fact that she could field more soldiers than the fools had as a population made her rather confident as to the outcome.

[Allemande]

“Liquid-fueled ICBMs?” Edith Mayenne said with a quirked eyebrow. “I don’t want to sound condescending, but if that’s where your technology stands at the moment, you’re not even in the same league as a nation of the Shahdom’s calibre.”

“As for a ‘Launch-on-Warning’ stance,” she went on, “Command delays always lengthen response time far beyond what technology would seem to permit. We’ve run simulations countless times: Going from even a ‘Launch-on-Warning’ posture to a full counter-strike usually takes a minimum of 2-3 minutes due to human issues. And – if done correctly – you can easily be denied that much time.”

“Look,” Mayenne said, trying to get through to the Ambassador, “If you want to take on nations like Parthia, there’s a right way and a wrong way to do it. This is not the right way.” She paused, and then continued. “Issue a formal diplomatic protest, deal with your Zoroastrian dissidents in a way that doesn’t impact everyone of that faith, and then start taking slow, careful steps. Parthia wasn’t built in a day.”

“And for G-d’s sake upgrade your nuclear technology,” she finished. “We can help you on that score, if you need assistance. There are many things our countries have in common; why else do you think we would be trying this hard to get you out of this mess alive?”

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OOC: The adjective and demonym are both “Allemander” (plural “Allemanders”)

[Zooey Deschanel]

"Its more a phrase than literal, to be fueled and ready. It means they are prepared. And it will hardly matter if somehow their attack is superspeed, they can't reach our delivery systems. Even those based within our country are fortified, underground, and quite hidden. It would be as if God himself told the the Parthians where they were if they could just find them and hit them (OOC: aka, Godmod).

"We've had some trade before, and you know a little of our nation. We're almost entirely underground or underwater. All our industry, urban centers, even most agriculture. The surface is basically a giant nature preserve. With each section of our nation secured in honeycombed sections, it would be impossible for the Parthians to destroy even a substantial portion of it. Too many layers, too much depth and earth.

"No, the Parthians know little about us, and that will play to our advantage should they attempt a strike. As their missiles detonate in airbursts, like in San Franutsco, our counterattack will be striking them. And we have many missiles prepared. All we need is the few minutes while they realize their mistake.

"This particular nuclear readiness, and our living underground, is leftover from our decades long cold war with the Queendom of Kate Perry.

"I appreciate your help, but frankly I'm amazed at your government's lack of responsibility. If perhaps you'd stepped in before, like while the Parthians are supposedly wiping out Arabs, it wouldn't be necessary for us to try to go toe-to-toe with these maniacs."

[Union Soviet Socialist]

"I n00kz y0u @ll @nd zhe w0r1dz 4 b@nn1ng r3ligi0nz!!!", said Premier Mikhail Bensovich.

after that 100 billion nuclear missles blow up the Earth and this post.

OCC: Trolling I am, I couldn't resist this major god modding thread to do this on

[Tarsonis Survivors]

OOC: Zephua, honey, you don't have nukes yet. You're too new. And that was a god-mode. You do not post the other person's damage or their casualties.

let me void the causlties and yes i had joint funding from and allie on nuke program.

OOC: ...No, you didn't. If it wasn't RPed out on here, if you don't have evidence, then you didn't. And said ally also needs to be able to afford the things.

Monoff funded him i do believe

[Allemande]

“What makes you think we haven’t been active since we learned of the Arab genocide?” Edith Mayenne said with a raised eyebrow.

Leaning back, she considered her options. As the second-ranking politician in the Liberal Party – and Michael Blum’s successor, both politically and under law, she had brought latitude to act on her own. She and Michael had always been a team, having arrived in politics at the same time and having chosen to become political allies from the beginning.

“Let me show you something,” the Secretary of State said with a smile. And, reaching into her desk again, she withdrew a file labelled “Tamsia – All-Pacific Oil Rig.”

Pushing the file across her desk, she said simply: “Welcome to the Rabbit Hole, Alice.”

[Tarsonis Survivors]

"I n00kz y0u @ll @nd zhe w0r1dz 4 b@nn1ng r3ligi0nz!!!", said Premier Mikhail Bensovich.

after that 100 billion nuclear missles blow up the Earth and this post.

OCC: Trolling I am, I couldn't resist this major god modding thread to do this on

but I already destroyed the whole planet.

[Zooey Deschanel]

The ambassador scanned the file, his face revealing little of his thoughts on the matter. When finished he looked up.
"With your permission, Madam Secretary, I would like to forward this to my government. It may have a persuading influence on our stance."

[Allemande]

“Of course,” Mayenne replied. “More tea?”

[No endorse]

-snip-

OOC: I hate to OOC spam, but PHYSICS IS THE LAW.

1. many useful military sats up there use nuclear batteries. They're common IRL, in NS they'd be standard.

2. Orbit doesn't work like that. At all. Sats orbit the earth almost as if it was a point mass, rotation is nigh irrelevant. They don't follow "airspace."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ConstellationGPS.gif
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4001/images/fig48.jpg
The Earth rotates. Sats ignore this, they rotate in periodic orbits based on the laws of orbital mechanics. They overfly everything. To prevent sats from overflying you, you have to shoot EVERYTHING down. I highly don't recommend this option.

3. 5kt can be reinforced against if your weapons have MAD type CEPs, which tend to be on the order of a kilometer or so. If you are like Parth, then you're likely in favor of NUTS, which advocates counterforce weapons with CEPs in the tens of meters. Basically, sure, you can reinforce. But you're going to have a nuclear warhead physically hit the top of your bunker. Have you reinforced that well?

4. 30 seconds might sound short for an orbit-to-ground trajectory, but Apollo 4 entered at 10km/s. MIRVs lack many of Apollo's thermal concerns, aren't that interested in slowing down, and may only have 400-500 vertical km to go from a nuke sat. Oh, and ICBMs are fighting gravity on the way up. Plus their path isn't parabolic, thanks to their rocket motors that tend to burn till well towards the apex. Up and cruise are the long parts, the way down is short, sweet, and fully encased in a sheath of plasma.

your friendly neighborhood nuke-obsessed Endorsia! Remember what some crazy Russians said: tanks, anti-tank weaponry, infantry, and aircraft are auxiliary to individual, multiple, and massed nuclear strikes.

[Tahar Joblis]

-snip-

OOC: I hate to OOC spam, but PHYSICS IS THE LAW.

1. many useful military sats up there use nuclear batteries. They're common IRL, in NS they'd be standard.

And yet he's not claiming them to be military satellites. He's claiming them to be very large nuclear powered communications satellites. As in nuclear reactor size.

They're not standard for civilian applications IRL, they wouldn't be standard for civilian applications in NS, and a satellite with a 100 megaton warhead plus ten independently targeted 1 megaton warheads plus fuel for de-orbiting them onto precise targets is going to have a devil of a time passing for a communications satellite. Especially when launched by a nation that few other nations ICly expect to abide by international law.

2. Orbit doesn't work like that. At all. Sats orbit the earth almost as if it was a point mass, rotation is nigh irrelevant. They don't follow "airspace."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ConstellationGPS.gif
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4001/images/fig48.jpg
The Earth rotates. Sats ignore this, they rotate in periodic orbits based on the laws of orbital mechanics. They overfly everything. To prevent sats from overflying you, you have to shoot EVERYTHING down. I highly don't recommend this option.

Not everything, just everything that's in an orbit crossing your nation. Effectively, LEO satellites, only a few hundred kilometers up, are passing above your airspace. They're very easily shot down or interfered with - even accidentally by your own launches.

Realistically, on NS, really suspicious LEO satellites aren't likely to last long. EDIT: Heck, LEO satellites probably don't last long period on NS, what with a kajillion incompetent nations firing garbage into orbit.

3. 5kt can be reinforced against if your weapons have MAD type CEPs, which tend to be on the order of a kilometer or so. If you are like Parth, then you're likely in favor of NUTS, which advocates counterforce weapons with CEPs in the tens of meters. Basically, sure, you can reinforce. But you're going to have a nuclear warhead physically hit the top of your bunker. Have you reinforced that well?

Typical launch sites are reinforced against MAD type CEPs vs megaton weapons. A 1 megaton device detonated 2.5 km away (the example described in the link I posted above as "semi-hardened" sites) is like a 5 kiloton device detonated less than a couple hundred meters away. Not perfectly, mind, and the 5 kiloton device typically is "dirtier," but a hardened launch site can survive a fairly close 5 kt blast, if the target nation has chosen to invest in hardened missile launch sites. A correspondingly "modern" nation with the same sort of modern development time Parthians requires to build up the arsenal could very easily have sites that can still function after being attacked by a 5 kt weapon with a "good" 25m CEP.

Under MAD, those missile sites may also have missile defence systems of their own, too.

4. 30 seconds might sound short for an orbit-to-ground trajectory, but Apollo 4 entered at 10km/s. MIRVs lack many of Apollo's thermal concerns, aren't that interested in slowing down, and may only have 400-500 vertical km to go from a nuke sat. Oh, and ICBMs are fighting gravity on the way up. Plus their path isn't parabolic, thanks to their rocket motors that tend to burn till well towards the apex. Up and cruise are the long parts, the way down is short, sweet, and fully encased in a sheath of plasma.

You have to burn fuel to de-orbit quickly. Lots of it. It's like firing a missile straight downwards. De-orbiting something at a near-vertical angle takes not much less fuel than putting it up there in the first place, as Niven and Pournelle et al state in their papers advising Reagan et al to adopt space warfare systems. You're going to have a flight time to ground, realistically, of about 3-5 minutes. 30 seconds? That would require dumping your ~7.5 km/s lateral velocity and adding ~7.5 km of vertical velocity in an instant. Realistically, using several gravities of acceleration, you're going to have several minutes between launch command and impact. I've ICly used orbital kinetic weapons. I've OOCly read a lot about them. It's not trivial to bring something back down on someone's head, and it's impossible to do so on 30 seconds' notice using MT. (Strictly technically speaking, THOR is usually PMT as used by NS nations, and even so, they rarely claim response times like that.)

Allemande would be happy if you followed the link to the other thread.

[Dyelli Beybi]

The Capital of the Blessed Kingdom of Dyelli Beybi was theoretically Cyro (OOC: Pronounced s-eye-row) but in recent months the chaos in that part of the country had led to former satellite states taking on the lead role in the Governance of the Kingdom, namely an unholy Alliance between Veiland, Guyaland and more recently Diocletian. As such, most decisions were now being made in the cities of Moskau and Desagradavel. It had been Moskau that had become the base of the sinister Cheka who even now were reading over the reports coming in on the conflict initiated by the Parthians.

"What do we actually know about these people?" one man lit up a cigarette in gross violation of the recent laws dictating that office interiors were to be 'smoke free'.

"Pretty much nothing." the other shrugged, looking at the cigarette with a slight frown of disapproval, "They're Zoroastrian. They're dangerous and belligerent and they seem to be enforcing religious freedom... of a form."

"They sound like people we can work with." the smoker exhaled a stream of smoke, although he was polite enough to not blow it at his colleague.

"Yes, but they're Zoroastrians... is that even legal here?" the other man seemed less convinced by this notion of working with the Parthians.

The smoker frowned at the table for a moment, "It isn't illegal, but I believe they're probably caught up in the 'Religious Toleration Act'. Can't worship publically worship or build temples unless you're an official religion, can't become an official religion unless you have a congregation of 20,000. If you aren't an official religion, worshippers do not gain exemption from the 'State tithe' of 10 percent of earnings."

Most people referred to the 'State tithe' as the 'atheist tax'. The rationale behind it was that people involved in an organised religion paid for the upkeep of their establishment which in turn provided valuable services, ergo those not involved in an organised religion were more dependent on State resources and were taxed accordingly. In reality though very few Dyellians gave anywhere near 10 percent to their Churches/Mosques/Temples and the law functioned more to prevent new religions from springing up as well as to convince atheists and agnostics to go to a weekly service and nominally retain a religion as a form of tax break.

The smoker considered this, considered the problems it might cause were they to make diplomatic overtures towards the Parthians and frowned pensively again, "I think the wisest cause of action is to observe, but not to act in any way. Yet."

[Zooey Deschanel]

"Yes, please." The ambassador enjoyed his tea as his aide electronically transferred the document back to the Queendom government.

After deliberation at home, and more tea in the Secretary's office, a response came back.

"Madam Secretary, my government has deliberated on this matter and decided to heed your advice. We shall stand immediately, once we have assurance and proof that the Parthians will not target us next. We shall take the long road, with you if we may. Since the Perry Cold War ended we've not involved ourselves much with neighbors. Perhaps its time we did so again."

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While the Deschanelan military remained on DEFCON 1, preperations were made to stand down to DEFCON 3 once it was clear that no attack was imminent.

The government sent the word to the Parthian government, through the typical back door channels used when something didn't need to be public.
Essentially, the Queendom would not initiate any attacks on the Parthians, and requested an assurance that Parthia had no grudge against Zooey Deschanel.
In return, the Queendom sent assurances that the Zoroastrian population was not being repressed, but simply isolated in response to the increased unrest and terror attacks. Quite unusual too, since there had never been problems with the Zoro Deschanelans before.

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OOC: All citizens are Deschanelans, but the predominate ethnic group are Zooey Deschanelans (70%), with smaller groups such as Emily Deschanelans (15%), Zoro Deschanelans (3%), and more.

[Ulixar]

Grand Protector Grima Sarumus congradulates you on the extermination of a weaker nation. Although he himself banned all religion in Ulixar, he says that "it is but nature's way for the strong to survive and the weak to die. And to those who defend religion with an iron fist, let it be known that Ulixar is strong."

[Cerantia]

THE FALL OF CERANTIA (continued
OOC: Yea, sure, it doesn't directly coincide with the proposed events, but I'd like to at least deal some minimul damage.
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23:00 Hours, December 31st
One hour before extermination

Sirens blare throughout Cerantia as a suspected nuclear exchange is to take place. Citizens everywhere look up in confusion as the Tentones Tower begins it's anual New Year's light up. The series of blares continue, signalling a possible nuclear launch. Citizens scramble to the nearest underground facility.

The Naval Forces of the Cerantian Military are signalled to stay off of the coast of New Zepuha.

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23:17 hours, December 31st
43 minutes before extermination

Cerce Tentones and the other main polliticall members, allong with a sizeable population, are rushed to Sarka (a joint city controlled by Atlamar and Cerantia) and goes into hiding underground - this would normally be considered weakness, but is currently considered preservation of Cerantian legacy, therefore preserving our Glory and Honor.

Silos around Cerantia prepare to launch, the CME Ground Forces begin marching twords the enemy, with 3.2 million troops (coupled with 2.5 million from Atlamar, and the tanks numbere roughly 1 million in both of the Sarkomian Alliance's nations).

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23:34 hours, December 31st
26 minutes before extermination

7.9 Million Cerantians are either in bomb shelters or out at sea to avoid potential Nukes. Cerce Tentones prepairs a recording that was undisclosed at this time. Cerce Tentones requests that Atlamar takes control of Cerantia should the Emperor not live through the Nuclear exchange, if indeed there is one.

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23:52 hours, December 31st
8 minutes before extermination

Orbital launch of missiles is detected, the 4 ICBMs and the Cruise Missiles are prept for launch.

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23:59 hours, December 31st
1 minute before extermination

The first nukes reach the silos before the assorted missiles from Cerantia could be succesfully launched. However, only 20 of the 100 Cerantian submarines are destroyed due to the fact that 80 of the Subs were not yet at the base and were still off the coast of New Zepuha, as ordered. 10 Cruise Missiles from those submarines are launched at the 5 largest ground-based Military structures.

Cerce Tentones plays the recorderd message and sets it to replay after finishing:

To my people of the Cerantian Millitary Empire; You are frightened and scared, if I am to interperate the everyday citizen's response to a nuclear exchange. You are oviously mad at the Parthians for this, as I know I am. You may be questioning wether or not I am fit to rule with my decision to threaten a larger nation such as Parthia - you have every right to this, and may impeach me at your leigure - but now we are at war, in a war against a nation I know we cannot win against. But actions have been done, and we must now all pay the consequences. Atlamar has promised us their humanitarian support, if we survive this.

To the listeners of this message that may not be a Cerantian citizen, you are now looking at the tyrany of Parthia. We ask that, should we not be able to do so, you dish out proper judgement on Parthia for attacking a nation that was only defending a country that has been rendered indefencive. Parthia is a country guilty of war crimes and genocide. If any are listening to this, we have fallen victom to both - and Parthia needs to be punished accordingly.

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0:00, 1st of January
0 minutes untill extermination

Nuclear missiles land all over Cerantia - older bomb shelters callapse killing countless thousands - ships not yet out of range are demolished - and citizens ranging from elderly to children are engulfed in a uranium-charged blast. Thankfully, due to the Cracion Peaks that border Atlamar and Cerantia, Atlamar is completely unaffected by the nuclear blasts - except, of course, the near-loss of it's ally. Only 3.4 million Cerantians still survive compared to the original 16 million. Much of the Navy and Military still survives because they were deployed before the nukes were launched, however only about 10% of the air force remains.

[Tkdkidsx2]

(((OOC: You do know that if hundreds of thousands of ICBM's were launched, the world would literally end. The ensuing nuclear winter would litterally block out 95% of the sunlight, plunging the Earth into temperatures that none could escape. Also, having one hundred thousand nuclear weapons would cost 5,000,000,000,000 up-front, with a maintaining cost of 1-2 trillion annual. 10,500,000,000,000 upkeep for those soldiers annually (the second is approximate costs, based off of the cost of US military overseas). Please, don't make me continue, the strain on your economy would bankrupt your nation, unless every single dime is devoted to war...)))

[Ralkovia]

(((OOC: You do know that if hundreds of thousands of ICBM's were launched, the world would literally end. The ensuing nuclear winter would litterally block out 95% of the sunlight, plunging the Earth into temperatures that none could escape. Also, having one hundred thousand nuclear weapons would cost 5,000,000,000,000 up-front, with a maintaining cost of 1-2 trillion annual. 10,500,000,000,000 upkeep for those soldiers annually (the second is approximate costs, based off of the cost of US military overseas). Please, don't make me continue, the strain on your economy would bankrupt your nation, unless every single dime is devoted to war...)))

(Its agreed that the NSEarth is some thousand or hundred thousand times larger so the effects would not be so earth shattering. Also Parth get on MSN >.>)