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Postby Bezombia » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:17 am

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Evil Wolf wrote:I wouldn't go so far as to say that raiding is "abusing the system", but then again I'm also not of the opinion that raiding = legalized bullying and Scolopendra is, so we can agree to disagree as far as that goes.

Except that raiding totally is legalized bullying, which means that everybody who willingly participates in raids is a horrible human being by default.


Honestly I don't know how you can look at this whole Haven deal and not say that it's bullying.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:18 am

Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.
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Postby Victoriala » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:19 am

Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.

Well, it is politics.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:19 am

Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.


Sometimes mods are dictating too much.

Then again, they are mods.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:20 am

Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.

I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:25 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.

I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."

Sometimes you just hate it when you were right all along. I know that feeling.
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Postby New Babylonia » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:25 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.

I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."

I made another 'brace yourselves' meme in my head when I saw it. I KNEW hell was about to unleash.
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Postby Constaniana » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:27 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.

I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."

And the mods continue stuffing the bull full of laxatives.
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Postby Phocidaea » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:29 am

Is excrement still descending in here?
that is, shit going down
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:29 am

Constaniana wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."

And the mods continue stuffing the bull full of laxatives.

:lol:
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Postby Voltrovia » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:31 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Abusing the system is the way the game works, apparently. And people get DEATed briefly for flags that are just politics.

This site. It is exasperating at times.

I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."


I view the outrages and mass protests that emerge from time to time on NS (whether or not I agree with their cause) as "flashpoints". When I saw Mall's proposal and the initial response I just thought "here we go, flashpoint time..."

Plus, this certainly isn't over yet.
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Postby Nude East Ireland » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:32 am

I'm still baffled by people trying to suggest that RP regions move to an offsite forum or somesuch.

That's the equivalent of saying "We should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!"
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Postby Constaniana » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:33 am

Phocidaea wrote:Is excrement still descending in here?
that is, shit going down

It's been coming down so much there's hardly any room left.
Nude East Ireland wrote:I'm still baffled by people trying to suggest that RP regions move to an offsite forum or somesuch.

That's the equivalent of saying "We should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!"

Or saying that black people in the US should have dealt with segregation by moving back to Africa, really.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:34 am

Phocidaea wrote:Is excrement still descending in here?
that is, shit going down

Well, what do you think? Better stay away from that place, it is full of methane.

Voltrovia wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'll admit that when this whole clusterfuck began, my mind was thinking "Bullshit is coming."

I view the outrages and mass protests that emerge from time to time on NS (whether or not I agree with their cause) as "flashpoints". When I saw Mall's proposal and the initial response I just thought "here we go, flashpoint time..."

Plus, this certainly isn't over yet.

Undoubtedly the moderators will try to smother it, but the season is not on their side. It is summer, after all.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Victoriala » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:35 am

Nude East Ireland wrote:I'm still baffled by people trying to suggest that RP regions move to an offsite forum or somesuch.

That's the equivalent of saying "We should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!"

Agreed. If our RP regions became note oriented offsite, we wouldn't be of NS (mostly) anymore. We'll look like mediocre copies of Eshraval, and that would be lots of shit to our side.
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Postby Evil Wolf » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:55 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:Except that raiding totally is legalized bullying, which means that everybody who willingly participates in raids is a horrible human being by default.


Well then, I guess that means I'm a horrible human being. :P
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:02 am

Victoriala wrote:
Nude East Ireland wrote:I'm still baffled by people trying to suggest that RP regions move to an offsite forum or somesuch.

That's the equivalent of saying "We should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!"

Agreed. If our RP regions became note oriented offsite, we wouldn't be of NS (mostly) anymore. We'll look like mediocre copies of Eshraval, and that would be lots of shit to our side.

The significantly reduced traffic on this forum caused by such a poorly thought out policy would at least cripple the income of this forum, since all those unviewed adds will generate no profit at all. There are faster ways to destroy an internet community, but it's a start.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Nierr » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:04 am

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:08 am

Constaniana wrote:
Phocidaea wrote:Is excrement still descending in here?
that is, shit going down

It's been coming down so much there's hardly any room left.
Nude East Ireland wrote:I'm still baffled by people trying to suggest that RP regions move to an offsite forum or somesuch.

That's the equivalent of saying "We should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!"

Or saying that black people in the US should have dealt with segregation by moving back to Africa, really.


Indeed. It seems to be one trait common to raiders, to never make an argument that isn't half-assed, and to always be condescending whilst doing so.

Also, I'm rather upset at Minnysota's warning for his/her/their WA draft to "Liberate Mallorea and Riva". Apparently, satirical proposals are actionable now. I half want to make a draft myself. Working title is: "Repeal Warn Minnysota".
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Postby Jordslag » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:09 am

I will sign this. That proposal is just utterly stupid, and I don't even know WHY they promoted Mall to moderator. This proposal proves he does not deserve the title.

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Postby Registug » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:12 am

I also wish to sign

It's rather inspiring to see all these people I've never met or even seen on the forums before all come here united in their response
the more word spreads, the more suppost we get

there are mods sympathetic to our cause, change can happen if we push hard enough
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Postby Evil Wolf » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:13 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Victoriala wrote:Agreed. If our RP regions became note oriented offsite, we wouldn't be of NS (mostly) anymore. We'll look like mediocre copies of Eshraval, and that would be lots of shit to our side.

The significantly reduced traffic on this forum caused by such a poorly thought out policy would at least cripple the income of this forum, since all those unviewed adds will generate no profit at all. There are faster ways to destroy an internet community, but it's a start.


RP is a large portion of the site, true, but to suggest that RP is the only portion of the site worth playing and that it makes all the money for the forum is a rather grandiose claim. Just as NS does not revolve around RP, I somehow doubt that all it's profits (which I'm sure aren't much) are entirely from Role Play.

In any case, I enjoy the strangeness of this situation, where RPers act very offended when people suggest restrictions, as ridiculous as they are, be placed upon the RP community, but then those same RPers are completely straight faced and serious when they talk about wanting to destroy the Military Gameplay community.

It's as equally a ludicrous and arrogant as suggesting the destruction of the RP community and yet many here seemingly don't see the irony.
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Kryozerkia wrote:In the good old days raiding was illegal
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[violet] wrote:There is supposed to be an invasion game.

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Postby Jordslag » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:15 am

I hope those WA delegates don't actually pass this. The majority of NSers oppose this. I hope they listen.

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Postby Evil Wolf » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:16 am

If it passes, then that would seem to suggest the majority didn't oppose it. :P
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Kryozerkia wrote:In the good old days raiding was illegal
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