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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:55 pm

You can put my name under the petition. If anyone wants to start a constructive discussion with the one or two Raiders that actually want a compromise then you can give me a call.

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Virana
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Ex-Nation

Postby Virana » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:56 pm

Aodan wrote:I agree with the barrier between RP and R/D but saying Mallora and Riva should resign is unacceptable.
I'm also enjoying how you posted saying that Mallora and Riva should resign while he/she has the power to instantly close this thread, or at the worst, ban you.

I haven't really pushed for Mall's resignation, but come on. Mall wouldn't have the power to close this thread or ban any of us. Nobody here has broken the rules; those who have should receive the appropriate punishment. Calling for somebody's resignation and making a thread highlighting their perceived misconduct is not against the rules in any way. If this thread was locked simply because people called for Mall's resignation, that would be an even more legitimate reason to call for the same.
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The Empire of Pretantia
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:56 pm

Aodan wrote:I agree with the barrier between RP and R/D but saying Mallora and Riva should resign is unacceptable.
I'm also enjoying how you posted saying that Mallora and Riva should resign while he/she has the power to instantly close this thread, or at the worst, ban you.

No they don't. So long as we conduct ourselves in a proper manner, Mall does not have good reason to do such, and if they do then it would be counterproductive for their career as mod.
Esternial wrote:You can put my name under the petition. If anyone wants to start a constructive discussion with the one or two Raiders that actually want a compromise then you can give me a call.

I like the sound of that, but I'm not so sure I would be very useful.
Virana wrote:
Aodan wrote:I agree with the barrier between RP and R/D but saying Mallora and Riva should resign is unacceptable.
I'm also enjoying how you posted saying that Mallora and Riva should resign while he/she has the power to instantly close this thread, or at the worst, ban you.

I haven't really pushed for Mall's resignation, but come on. Mall wouldn't have the power to close this thread or ban any of us. Nobody here has broken the rules; those who have should receive the appropriate punishment. Calling for somebody's resignation and making a thread highlighting their perceived misconduct is not against the rules in any way.

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:58 pm

Esternial wrote:You can put my name under the petition. If anyone wants to start a constructive discussion with the one or two Raiders that actually want a compromise then you can give me a call.


I'd like to join in and see their perspectives. If you don't mind, of course.
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Voltrovia
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Postby Voltrovia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:59 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Voltrovia wrote:
I save national data (WIP factbooks, planning, the like) and the longest of IC posts offline. I don't backup every single RP post I make on this website, no-one does. No-one could.


I don't back up anything. The only time I'll save a post offline is when I'm not ready to make it (usually thread OPs that I don't want to post yet, I rarely don't write posts in one sitting) yet.


Quite a bit of the stuff that I save stuff offline is saved because it's not ready (WIP factbooks, for example) or because it's actually been written in Notepad or Word.

The point is that nobody backs up large portions of their RP work. I'm being frank when I say that I just don't see any reason why we should.
If we burn the defence papers, maybe the journalists will go away. On a private estate in the middle of the night.
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Satanic Socialist States
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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:59 pm

Put my name in the petition.

I do not RP with this nation anymore, but am still an active roleplayer with another nation that I wish to remain anonymous due to ethical mistakes I made with this nation that I do not want reflected on my RP nation.

The fact that a mod is able to harass and intimidate the RP community without repercussions is ridiculous.
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Postby Yalos » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:00 pm

Aodan wrote:I agree with the barrier between RP and R/D but saying Mallora and Riva should resign is unacceptable.
I'm also enjoying how you posted saying that Mallora and Riva should resign while he/she has the power to instantly close this thread, or at the worst, ban you.

Hahahhahaha. Ignorance is cute.

Nope. Sorry to burst your bubble.


This thread violates no rules as far as I am concerned.

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Voltrovia
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Postby Voltrovia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:02 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Esternial wrote:You can put my name under the petition. If anyone wants to start a constructive discussion with the one or two Raiders that actually want a compromise then you can give me a call.


I'd like to join in and see their perspectives. If you don't mind, of course.


The defenders, who would likely have worked very effectively against this liberation proposal even if none of this hullabaloo had taken place, also exist. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to see how those raiders respond.
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If we burn the defence papers, maybe the journalists will go away. On a private estate in the middle of the night.
In 1988. Without quite letting the residents know. Only Voltrovian protagonist kids remember.

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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:03 pm

Aodan wrote:I agree with the barrier between RP and R/D but saying Mallora and Riva should resign is unacceptable.
I'm also enjoying how you posted saying that Mallora and Riva should resign while he/she has the power to instantly close this thread, or at the worst, ban you.

I don't see why you're enjoying it when he can't for 2 simple reasons. We haven't broken any rules, and him shutting down the thread 'instantly' and banning anyone would be an undeniable conflict of interest.
Unreachable.

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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:04 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Esternial wrote:You can put my name under the petition. If anyone wants to start a constructive discussion with the one or two Raiders that actually want a compromise then you can give me a call.


I'd like to join in and see their perspectives. If you don't mind, of course.

I can try playing informateur, but I don't want to waste my time either.

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Postby Bezombia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:05 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Aodan wrote:I agree with the barrier between RP and R/D but saying Mallora and Riva should resign is unacceptable.
I'm also enjoying how you posted saying that Mallora and Riva should resign while he/she has the power to instantly close this thread, or at the worst, ban you.

I don't see why you're enjoying it when he can't for 2 simple reasons. We haven't broken any rules, and him shutting down the thread 'instantly' and banning anyone would be an undeniable conflict of interest.


Not only would it be a conflict of interest, but it'd probably be mod abuse too, which would pretty much dig his grave.

But that's not going to happen, anyway.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:08 pm

As a P2TMer, I'd like to sign this, if possible.

Also, anybody have a copy of the "Its Only Politics Mallorea And Riva Should Resign" flag?
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Postby Bezombia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:10 pm

Grenartia wrote:As a P2TMer, I'd like to sign this, if possible.

Also, anybody have a copy of the "Its Only Politics Mallorea And Riva Should Resign" flag?


Here's the URL for Lubyak's flag:

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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:14 pm

Satanic Socialist States wrote:The fact that a mod is able to harass and intimidate the RP community without repercussions is ridiculous.


Moderators seem to think they are above the rules for some reason. I agree that Mallo and Rivea should resign from the moderation team, and quite frankly, so should a few of the other moderators too.

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Postby Bezombia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:15 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Satanic Socialist States wrote:The fact that a mod is able to harass and intimidate the RP community without repercussions is ridiculous.


Moderators seem to think they are above the rules for some reason. I agree that Mallo and Rivea should resign from the moderation team, and quite frankly, so should a few of the other moderators too.


Tbh only two or three are gtg, other than them we'd be good for a total reshuffle
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:15 pm

Am I the only one here who really does not care if the mod in question resigns or is kicked out or not and who only cares about making sure that they pass some sort of regulation ensuring that our passwords can not be revoked by anyone ever?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Wind in the Willows
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:16 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:
Moderators seem to think they are above the rules for some reason. I agree that Mallo and Rivea should resign from the moderation team, and quite frankly, so should a few of the other moderators too.


Tbh only two or three are gtg, other than them we'd be good for a total reshuffle


I agree.

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Postby Bezombia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:16 pm

Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one here who really does not care if the mod in question resigns or is kicked out or not and who only cares about making sure that they pass some sort of regulation ensuring that our passwords can not be revoked by anyone ever?


Honestly, the fate of M&R is secondary to me. I'm much more concerned with the actual situation regarding moderation policy of R&D v. RP.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:16 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Tbh only two or three are gtg, other than them we'd be good for a total reshuffle


I agree.

Me too.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:17 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one here who really does not care if the mod in question resigns or is kicked out or not and who only cares about making sure that they pass some sort of regulation ensuring that our passwords can not be revoked by anyone ever?


Honestly, the fate of M&R is secondary to me. I'm much more concerned with the actual situation regarding moderation policy of R&D v. RP.

My worry is that this thing will spiral out of hand into a situation where they can just scapegoat that guy and be businesses as usual. We must not focus on one person too much but remain focused on our goals.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Postby Bezombia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:19 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Honestly, the fate of M&R is secondary to me. I'm much more concerned with the actual situation regarding moderation policy of R&D v. RP.

My worry is that this thing will spiral out of hand into a situation where they can just scapegoat that guy and be businesses as usual. We must not focus on one person too much but remain focused on our goals.


And, for that purpose, we sort of are. Read through the thread, we're all very focused on resolving the password issue, but a lot more divided on whether or not M&R actually should be fire.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:21 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:My worry is that this thing will spiral out of hand into a situation where they can just scapegoat that guy and be businesses as usual. We must not focus on one person too much but remain focused on our goals.


And, for that purpose, we sort of are. Read through the thread, we're all very focused on resolving the password issue, but a lot more divided on whether or not M&R actually should be fire.

The solution to that disagreement is simple though. We focus on the passwords NOW. And when we secure those than we can talk about the things we disagree on. The purges should wait until the revolution is done.*


*This is a metaphor. I am not advocating for an actual revolution or purges.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Voltrovia
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Postby Voltrovia » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:22 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Am I the only one here who really does not care if the mod in question resigns or is kicked out or not and who only cares about making sure that they pass some sort of regulation ensuring that our passwords can not be revoked by anyone ever?


Honestly, the fate of M&R is secondary to me. I'm much more concerned with the actual situation regarding moderation policy of R&D v. RP.


I'm with you as well:

Voltrovia wrote:
If a genuine solution that solves the problem can be achieved from this then that'll be an outcome more successful than anything we could have wanted *in revenge*, so to speak.
If we burn the defence papers, maybe the journalists will go away. On a private estate in the middle of the night.
In 1988. Without quite letting the residents know. Only Voltrovian protagonist kids remember.

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The Remnants of Kobol
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:22 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:My worry is that this thing will spiral out of hand into a situation where they can just scapegoat that guy and be businesses as usual. We must not focus on one person too much but remain focused on our goals.


And, for that purpose, we sort of are. Read through the thread, we're all very focused on resolving the password issue, but a lot more divided on whether or not M&R actually should be fire.


To be completely honest, he shouldn't.

If he is, he becomes a martyr.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:23 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:My worry is that this thing will spiral out of hand into a situation where they can just scapegoat that guy and be businesses as usual. We must not focus on one person too much but remain focused on our goals.


And, for that purpose, we sort of are. Read through the thread, we're all very focused on resolving the password issue, but a lot more divided on whether or not M&R actually should be fire.


Why do you want him to be fire? He'd be super deadly to forests if he was fire.

Anyways, take my signature for this letter.
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