OPERATION FIRE BRAND (MT, Open)

[Angbhand]

Angbhand, City of Nacht

At 1000 this morning the Emperor, Endymion Nacht, declared that a state of martial law now existed in Angbhand. The entire reserve force was being mobilized to repel the invaders. All civilian defense forces were to report to their staging areas and prepare to defend the homeland. Furthermore all fleets were being recalled to Angbhand to engage the enemy navies that had entered Angbhand's territorial waters. They were expected to arrive within days.

Once the call had gone out divisions and armies mobilized across the nation and began moving to their designated staging points. AA guns were brought online in the capital and other major cities. Civilian homeland defense teams and reserve units patrolled the streets.

Eastern Bratisva Province, Angbhand

As the stalemate continued word reached the commanders on the ground that martial law had been declared and the reserve had been mobilized. The effect on the morale of the troops fighting off the Barsovichian advance was dramatic. The fought with renewed vigor and a sense of purpose as they struggled to push back the invaders. This boost to their morale was crushed when they heard the unmistakable sound of heavy vehicles approaching on their flanks. Imperial troops rushed to bring their artillery and mortars to bear on the approaching enemy armor and anti-tank weapons were shifted to provide cover on the flank but it wouldn't be enough to hold the enemy armor for long. A call went out for close air support but it would be at least an hour before the aircraft could reach the front.

Rockets and artillery shells exploded among the advancing enemy armor and infantry as they threatened to surround and cut off the Imperial forces on the ground. Small arms fire was constant as the Angbhandian troops tried to suppress and pin down the enemy long enough for the air support to arrive.

Angbhand Strategic Command, City of Nacht, Angbhand

At 1700 hours local time an intrusion was detected in the strategic defense system. Among the data stolen was information regarding Emperor Endymion Nacht and the suspected whereabouts of the insurgent leader, John Ivan Gray, in the city of Hyperion. Further information about terrain and military installations in the Corothian provinces was also stolen. It seemed that the Emperor was safe ensconced in his bunker beneath the Imperial Palace in the city of Nacht. John Gray was presumed to be leading his forces from within the city of Hyperion. Several high level members of the government were still topside however, coordinating things from the government district in the heart of the city.

The approaching Hugmonian fleet was detected by long range reconnaissance assets but Abgbhand simply couldn't engage them presently. They would be dealt with when they arrived.

[Barsovich]

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[Angbhand]

Eastern Bratisva Province, Angbhand

The Barsovichian armored assault completely overran Angbhand's line and sent the remaining troops reeling as they retreated as fast as they could towards the nearest city. The few remaining tanks fought a desperate rearguard action in an attempt to buy the infantry more time to escape. Almost all of them were immobilized or destroyed. Overhead the promised air support made a few strafing and bombing runs to screen the retreat but they were unable to stay on station for long. Command ordered that the remaining forces occupy the city and await reinforcements, scheduled to arrive within 24 hours.

Thousands were dead by the end of the day and many more were wounded. Hundreds of vehicles had been destroyed or captured along with many artillery pieces. The self-propelled guns had managed to escape and regroup at the city but the stationary howitzers had been left behind. Some of the crews had destroyed their weapons before leaving but most had simply been abandoned for the enemy.

Hyperion, Angbhand

The insurgents made contact with the Barsovichian Special Forces and led them deep into the city to the central command center of John Gray. The heavy weapons were unloaded and distributed to various insurgent forces who dispersed to renew their attack on the fleeing 4th Infantry Division. Hyperion was now firmly under control of the insurgency, along with most of the surrounding province thanks to the assault by the Barsovichian invaders.

Angbhand would have to launch a counter-attack to regain it at a later time. For now the enemy forces and insurgents had time to consolidate their positions before the full might of Angbhand's war machine showed up.

[Barsovich]

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[Barsovich]

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[Valaran]

In order to stem the now rapid advance of the forces of Barosvich and occupy the enemy, the recently arrived Valaran forces began to launch an armored assault.
A large tank group supported by some 5,000 mechanized infantry began to bombard the the forward positions. They caused heavier casualties than expected, as the Barsovich troops were tired from fighting earlier battles against the Angbhand forces, and were spread out occupying the area. Furthermore, this was helped as the majority of the Barsovich air force had recently conducted a large-scale strike, and many now refueling. This allowed the Valaran forces to concentrate their assault and overrun outlying Barsovich positions and stall the advance.


However, after some solid initial successes, the Valaran advance stalled, as more Barsovich reinforcements poured into the conflict. By contrast, as the majority of the Valaran infantry were not yet at the battlefield, and General Dalstan was husbanding half of his remaining mechanized infantry and tanks, to preserve the fighting capability of the Valarans. He knew that without support from the retreating Angbhand forces, his armored first could not hold the Barsovich forces indefinitely, and eventually their larger forces would be brought to bear.


Meanwhile, The Valaran Empire decided to act in accordance with the blockade, they would not send more troops to the conflict in return for Barsovich not to attack outside Angbhand. If there was such an attack, they would be forced to call in allies, and the conflict would take a regional dimension.

OOC: I thought this would be reasonable, as my troops are fresh and concentrated, though you will gain the upper hand if my forces are bogged down

[Barsovich]

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[Hayabusa]

(OOC: Angbhand - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=297745&p=20286963&sid=f6ed83dedf9796923c13d4f472cdc057#p20286963
Mitheldalond, I will post a response to your movements tonight.

[Valaran]

Seeing that the Barosvichian (is that the right word?) troops had pulled back, and how artillery was beginning to rain down, the Valaran forces halted their advance completely, and were considering withdrawing to Angbhand positions some 5 miles back, where the majority of the Valaran forces were gathering. (starting to lose some tanks as this occurs)


The Valaran Empire has decided to ground all military aircraft to comply with the air blockade, though they remain ready to scramble.

TO BOTH THE GRAND REPUBLIC OF BARSOVICH AND THE NATION OF ANGBHAND

Now that that the fighting in this quadrant has temporarily quietened down, and the front lines are slightly apart, the Valaran Empire would wish for some form of negotiations to take place to prevent further bloodshed. Although this will be understandably tricky, any attempt at dialogue will only become harder as the situation escalates. We understand that there have been persecution of the Coroth minority. However, we feel violence should only be used as a last resort in this matter. Therefore, we would ask that Angbhand to cease violent actions against the rebels,while Barosvich to temporarily halt its advance while this temporary dialogue takes place. - Secretary Nygaard

[Mitheldalond]

Mitheldalondian carrier group,
Approximately 400 miles northwest of the Angbhandian coast:
The Angbhandians might not have the range to engage the Humgonian fleet, but the Mitheldalondians certainly did. And with Angbhandian forces providing targeting data for them, they now knew where the Humgonian ships were.

Each of the two Ossë-class attack submarines carried a pair of anti-ship ballistic missiles capable of striking targets up to 3,000 miles away. Each missile carried four 2,000 lb solid tungsten guided warheads. With reentry speeds in excess of mach 17, each warhead could easily annihilate a supercarrier with a single hit, and no amount of armor in the world would be of able to stop it. Their small size, steep attack angle, and hypersonic speed made the warheads practically impossible to shoot down; no amount of gunfire stood any chance of downing the warheads, and ordinary SAMs would be similarly ineffective. [This is true of the real life DF-21 AShBM] Only specially designed anti-ballistic missiles like the RIM-161 had much of a chance of actually hitting the warheads, and even then it likely wouldn't be able to destroy it. At best, it could knock the warhead off course and cause it to miss, or shatter the warhead – though this could just result in multiple hundred pound chunks of tungsten falling toward the target instead of a single 2000 lb warhead. The missiles were designed to have a very distinctive flight pattern that made it impossible to confuse them with a nuclear missile.

Four ballistic missiles burst out of the water above the two submarines, headed for the Humgonian fleet. Two warheads were targeted at the carrier, and the remaining 14 were targeted at 14 of the 20 dreadnoughts.

Eastern Angbhand, 400 miles from the Barsovichian front lines:
Having concluded that the Valaranian forces were unable or unwilling to commit to battle against the Barsovichian forces, the Mitheldalondian Air Force had been directed to take action.

A formation of 12 B-1 Lancers streaked across the sky. Having reached their marks 400 miles from the front lines, they released their payloads. A total of 288 AGM-158 JASSM-ERs soared away towards the Barsovichian forces. 100 missiles deployed their submunitions – 100 assorted anti-tank and anti-personnel mines each – between the Barsovichian front and the retreating Angbhandian forces, dropping 10,000 mines all along the front in an attempt to slow the Barsovichian advance. Another 100 missiles each deployed 166 BLU-97/B bomblets over the Barsovichian forces. The 16,600 unguided bomblets would detonate with a shaped charge effect to kill vehicles, and a explosive fragmentation and incendiary effect to kill infantry and supplies. The remaining 88 missiles each carried 16 Brilliant Anti-Tank submunitions (total of 1,408) which would autonomously seek out and attack enemy tanks from above.

After deploying their payloads, the 12 B-1s turned to fly back home. However, another 6 B-1s continued on their course until they were 300 miles from the front. They then launched a total of 144 JASSM-ERs with 1,000 lb unitary warheads towards the pesky Barsovichian ships pummeling the Angbhandian forces, before also turning to fly back home.

[Valaran]

Mitheldalondian carrier group,
Approximately 400 miles northwest of the Angbhandian coast:
The Angbhandians might not have the range to engage the Humgonian fleet, but the Mitheldalondians certainly did. And with Angbhandian forces providing targeting data for them, they now knew where the Humgonian ships were.

Each of the two Ossë-class attack submarines carried a pair of anti-ship ballistic missiles capable of striking targets up to 3,000 miles away. Each missile carried four 2,000 lb solid tungsten guided warheads. With reentry speeds in excess of mach 17, each warhead could easily annihilate a supercarrier with a single hit, and no amount of armor in the world would be of able to stop it. Their small size, steep attack angle, and hypersonic speed made the warheads practically impossible to shoot down; no amount of gunfire stood any chance of downing the warheads, and ordinary SAMs would be similarly ineffective. [This is true of the real life DF-21 AShBM] Only specially designed anti-ballistic missiles like the RIM-161 had much of a chance of actually hitting the warheads, and even then it likely wouldn't be able to destroy it. At best, it could knock the warhead off course and cause it to miss, or shatter the warhead – though this could just result in multiple hundred pound chunks of tungsten falling toward the target instead of a single 2000 lb warhead. The missiles were designed to have a very distinctive flight pattern that made it impossible to confuse them with a nuclear missile.

Four ballistic missiles burst out of the water above the two submarines, headed for the Humgonian fleet. Two warheads were targeted at the carrier, and the remaining 14 were targeted at 14 of the 20 dreadnoughts.

Eastern Angbhand, 400 miles from the Barsovichian front lines:
Having concluded that the Valaranian forces were unable or unwilling to commit to battle against the Barsovichian forces, the Mitheldalondian Air Force had been directed to take action.

A formation of 12 B-1 Lancers streaked across the sky. Having reached their marks 400 miles from the front lines, they released their payloads. A total of 288 AGM-158 JASSM-ERs soared away towards the Barsovichian forces. 100 missiles deployed their submunitions – 100 assorted anti-tank and anti-personnel mines each – between the Barsovichian front and the retreating Angbhandian forces, dropping 10,000 mines all along the front in an attempt to slow the Barsovichian advance. Another 100 missiles each deployed 166 BLU-97/B bomblets over the Barsovichian forces. The 16,600 unguided bomblets would detonate with a shaped charge effect to kill vehicles, and a explosive fragmentation and incendiary effect to kill infantry and supplies. The remaining 88 missiles each carried 16 Brilliant Anti-Tank submunitions (total of 1,408) which would autonomously seek out and attack enemy tanks from above.

After deploying their payloads, the 12 B-1s turned to fly back home. However, another 6 B-1s continued on their course until they were 300 miles from the front. They then launched a total of 144 JASSM-ERs with 1,000 lb unitary warheads towards the pesky Barsovichian ships pummeling the Angbhandian forces, before also turning to fly back home.

To: The nation of Mitheldalond


With regards to your view that the Valaran forces were 'unwilling or unable to commit to battle', this is plaintively not true; we have halted the advance of Barsovich, if albeit temporarily. Our lack of fighting was merely to prevent further casualties on either side, and attempt to restore peace. However, your missile barrage will merely derail the peace process, and prolong the war, causing more people, including your own soldiers to die. Therefore, while remaining your ally, we would ask that you call off your missiles on the Barsovich forces until dialogue succeeds or fails. They cause a tactical victory, but Barsovich is large; it will vastly increase it forces committed to this engagement.

Yours Respectfully,
Foreign secretary Nygaard


(OOC: you're not godmodding but over 300 missiles, and advanced ICBMS that are nearly unstoppable yet somehow you destroy all missiles that went for your ships ? That's a tad excessive as nobody else has committed anything like that much, even Angbhand who being attacked by like 4 nations)

[Humgonia]

Mitheldalondian carrier group,
Approximately 400 miles northwest of the Angbhandian coast:
The Angbhandians might not have the range to engage the Humgonian fleet, but the Mitheldalondians certainly did. And with Angbhandian forces providing targeting data for them, they now knew where the Humgonian ships were.

Each of the two Ossë-class attack submarines carried a pair of anti-ship ballistic missiles capable of striking targets up to 3,000 miles away. Each missile carried four 2,000 lb solid tungsten guided warheads. With reentry speeds in excess of mach 17, each warhead could easily annihilate a supercarrier with a single hit, and no amount of armor in the world would be of able to stop it. Their small size, steep attack angle, and hypersonic speed made the warheads practically impossible to shoot down; no amount of gunfire stood any chance of downing the warheads, and ordinary SAMs would be similarly ineffective. [This is true of the real life DF-21 AShBM] Only specially designed anti-ballistic missiles like the RIM-161 had much of a chance of actually hitting the warheads, and even then it likely wouldn't be able to destroy it. At best, it could knock the warhead off course and cause it to miss, or shatter the warhead – though this could just result in multiple hundred pound chunks of tungsten falling toward the target instead of a single 2000 lb warhead. The missiles were designed to have a very distinctive flight pattern that made it impossible to confuse them with a nuclear missile.

Four ballistic missiles burst out of the water above the two submarines, headed for the Humgonian fleet. Two warheads were targeted at the carrier, and the remaining 14 were targeted at 14 of the 20 dreadnoughts.

Eastern Angbhand, 400 miles from the Barsovichian front lines:
Having concluded that the Valaranian forces were unable or unwilling to commit to battle against the Barsovichian forces, the Mitheldalondian Air Force had been directed to take action.

A formation of 12 B-1 Lancers streaked across the sky. Having reached their marks 400 miles from the front lines, they released their payloads. A total of 288 AGM-158 JASSM-ERs soared away towards the Barsovichian forces. 100 missiles deployed their submunitions – 100 assorted anti-tank and anti-personnel mines each – between the Barsovichian front and the retreating Angbhandian forces, dropping 10,000 mines all along the front in an attempt to slow the Barsovichian advance. Another 100 missiles each deployed 166 BLU-97/B bomblets over the Barsovichian forces. The 16,600 unguided bomblets would detonate with a shaped charge effect to kill vehicles, and a explosive fragmentation and incendiary effect to kill infantry and supplies. The remaining 88 missiles each carried 16 Brilliant Anti-Tank submunitions (total of 1,408) which would autonomously seek out and attack enemy tanks from above.

After deploying their payloads, the 12 B-1s turned to fly back home. However, another 6 B-1s continued on their course until they were 300 miles from the front. They then launched a total of 144 JASSM-ERs with 1,000 lb unitary warheads towards the pesky Barsovichian ships pummeling the Angbhandian forces, before also turning to fly back home.

Shut that GODMODDER your ruining the rp for me with your god tier submarines ignored.

Ps yes he is
Ic: the Humgonian fleet launched there 10 shenyangs and 10 chengdus to weaken the Valaranian resistance and lower there morale to the brink of none, the shenyangs flying at 1550 mph were quick in the air and when the enemy got in range all of them fired a barrage of missiles upon them.

"Sir we've detected an enemy fleet should we call for assistance?" the radar guy said to the general.
"Yes, but also let's have some fun with them. Launch the missiles and destroy them all!"
The submarines were ready and with long ranged attacks fired ballistics missiles at the enemy with 61 missiles in total. The 9th Humgonian fleet with 20 submarines, 10 frigates, 20 destroyers, and 10 dreadnoughts along with another aircraft carrier contain 50 shenyangs and 30 chengdus. An extra 30,000 troops and 200 type 99 main battle tanks will be sent to liberate the oppressed people's from the "neo Fascist" regime that controlled them.

To: Angbhand, Mitheldalond, and Valaran.

From: Humgonia
"there will never be an end to the war and Humgonian troops won't stop coming intel the oppressed people's are liberated."

[Valaran]

From: Humgonia
"there will never be an end to the war and Humgonian troops won't stop coming intel the oppressed people's are liberated."

This is basically why we need peaceful dialogue before the whole situation (and Angbhand) go up in smoke. We are happy to negotiate and we also desire some form of autonomy (or least more rights) for the Coroth people, but we feel that such a large military response in out of proportion, and cannot be tolerated. Please open dialogue before committing such bloodshed.
your respectfully,
- Amabassador Seward

[Humgonia]

From: Humgonia
"there will never be an end to the war and Humgonian troops won't stop coming intel the oppressed people's are liberated."

This is basically why we need peaceful dialogue before the whole situation (and Angbhand) go up in smoke. We are happy to negotiate and we also desire some form of autonomy (or least more rights) for the Coroth people, but we feel that such a large military response in out of proportion, and cannot be tolerated. Please open dialogue before committing such bloodshed.
your respectfully,
- Amabassador Seward

To: Valaran
From: Humgonia
"we do not want bloodshed either but it must be done to free the coroth people."

Ps can you respond to my air assault on your troops?

[Valaran]

From: Humgonia
"there will never be an end to the war and Humgonian troops won't stop coming intel the oppressed people's are liberated."

This is basically why we need peaceful dialogue before the whole situation (and Angbhand) go up in smoke. We are happy to negotiate and we also desire some form of autonomy (or least more rights) for the Coroth people, but we feel that such a large military response in out of proportion, and cannot be tolerated. Please open dialogue before committing such bloodshed.
your respectfully,
- Amabassador Seward

To: Valaran
From: Humgonia
"we do not want bloodshed either but it must be done to free the coroth people."

Ps can you respond to my air assault on your troops?

OOC: wait I thought you were attacking my allies (the Mitheldalondian fleet, Angbhand), not my troops personally. I don't really have a fleet in the region, just a few transport ships

Also you could post your link to your engagement here...

[Humgonia]

Ps can you respond to my air assault on your troops?

OOC: wait I thought you were attacking my allies (the Mitheldalondian fleet, Angbhand), not my troops personally. I don't really have a fleet in the region, just a few transport ships

Also you could post your link to your engagement here...

OOC:well I was attesting missiles on the Mitheldalondian fleet and using 10 shenyangs and 10 chengdus to assault your ground troops.
Oh and it you mean the thread then viewtopic.php?f=5&t=298170

[Valaran]

OOC: wait I thought you were attacking my allies (the Mitheldalondian fleet, Angbhand), not my troops personally. I don't really have a fleet in the region, just a few transport ships

Also you could post your link to your engagement here...

OOC:well I was attesting missiles on the Mitheldalondian fleet and using 10 shenyangs and 10 chengdus to assault your ground troops.
Oh and it you mean the thread then viewtopic.php?f=5&t=298170

OOC: Yeah I would advertise a bit more than that - proclaim what it is and ask ppl whther they would like to join.

IC: I couldn't possibly speak for the Mitheldalondian forces, but if you are strafing our ground troops with those, then I would say casualties are heavy relative to the number of air craft used, as my force currently lack sufficient air cover. 10 tanks have been knocked out or damages beyond repair (also from Barsovich artillery), and there have been some 70 infantry casualties (wounded + dead) so far. no aircraft losses, unless Angbhand planes intercept, as our AA stuff is too far back to be deployed.

[Angbhand]

Open Message to the International Community
From: Emperor Endymion Nacht
Encryption: None

Greetings. In the interest of peace the government of Angbhand is willing to enter negotiations. We regret the terrible loss of life that has occurred so far and wish to avoid further bloodshed. I am calling upon all nations engaged in hostilities with Angbhand, as well as the insurgency, to enter into peace talks. If this offers is rejected we will not hesitate to unleash the full might of our military upon all belligerents as well as the insurgency. We will observe a 48 hour cease-fire to give those who wish to negotiate a chance to contact their nation's leadership and respond to this communique. We will, however, still defend against any attack during this 48 hour cease-fire.

Province of Hastat, Angbhand

As the fighting between Angbhand and Hayabusan forces reached a crescendo the call came out from central command that all forces were to disengage from combat as soon as they were able. Understandably this took some time but eventually the troops engaging the Hayabusan advance pulled back and dug in, firing only when they were fired upon. The dead and wounded littered the ground. Both sides had suffered frightfully. Burning vehicles were strewn along the fields and roads surrounding the battlefield. Every now and then an errant shot or explosion could be heard in the distance as the fighting died down.

All across Angbhand

Imperial forces ceased their advance and dug in after the call for negotiations went out from Nacht. Temporary fighting positions were constructed. Overhead Angbhand's air force flew combat patrols but did not attempt to enter the hot zone or engage enemy forces on the ground or in the air. The armed forces of Angbhand held their breath as they waited to see whether or not their call for peace would be answered amenably or whether it was to be total war.

Hyperion, Angbhand

John Gray, leader of the insurgent forces, greeted the Barsovichian special forces commander with a firm hand shake.

"Sir, we are very grateful for your assistance. Our men now control most of the city." Gray strolled over to a map taped to the wall. "We have units here, here and here," he punctuated his words with stabs of his finger, indicating where his insurgents were holding. "I will send men to scavenge what they can from your downed transports. We need to consolidate our positions. The enemy has retreated for now but they will return."

John walked to the end of the room and indicated a table with a military grade radio, a series of laptops and a satellite phone on it. "Feel free to make use of these to contact your commanders. They are encrypted." With that Gray walked off to begin giving orders to his lieutenants.

[Valaran]

Open Message to the International Community
From: Emperor Endymion Nacht
Encryption: None

Greetings. In the interest of peace the government of Angbhand is willing to enter negotiations. We regret the terrible loss of life that has occurred so far and wish to avoid further bloodshed. I am calling upon all nations engaged in hostilities with Angbhand, as well as the insurgency, to enter into peace talks. If this offers is rejected we will not hesitate to unleash the full might of our military upon all belligerents as well as the insurgency. We will observe a 48 hour cease-fire to give those who wish to negotiate a chance to contact their nation's leadership and respond to this communique. We will, however, still defend against any attack during this 48 hour cease-fire.

The Valaran Empire supports this action and also encourages negotiations between the various parties. It will uphold the ceasefire to the best of its ability.
- Nygaard.

[Humgonia]

OOC:well I was attesting missiles on the Mitheldalondian fleet and using 10 shenyangs and 10 chengdus to assault your ground troops.
Oh and it you mean the thread then viewtopic.php?f=5&t=298170

OOC: Yeah I would advertise a bit more than that - proclaim what it is and ask ppl whther they would like to join.

IC: I couldn't possibly speak for the Mitheldalondian forces, but if you are strafing our ground troops with those, then I would say casualties are heavy relative to the number of air craft used, as my force currently lack sufficient air cover. 10 tanks have been knocked out or damages beyond repair (also from Barsovich artillery), and there have been some 70 infantry casualties (wounded + dead) so far. no aircraft losses, unless Angbhand planes intercept, as our AA stuff is too far back to be deployed.

"ha ha!" a pilot yelled as the enemy was getting destroyed. "shall we go for another round?"
"yes" they did just that, firing more missiles at the enemy, seeing the staggering enemy casualties it was expected they would surrender extremely soon with hardly any aircraft casualties.
With the ballistics missiles nearing the Mitheldalondian fleet the 9th Humgonian fleet was deployed and would soon arrive to assist the other Humgonians in their liberation attack.
The attempt to soften enemy resistance was known as operation Xíngxíng duí.

To: Emperor Endymion Nacht
From: President Kûwā Sûng
"we accept the peace talks and hope that there will be no more oppression of the coroth people."

When the aircraft launched another attack on the valaranians they received orders to return to the aircraft carrier as peace talks had begun. All troops will be stationed just outside of Angbhandian international waters.

[Mitheldalond]

OOC: @Humgonia: The missiles are not Godmodding. Similar technology exists in real life. The Chinese missiles caused a minor panic in the US Navy because there was "currently... No defense against it." Modern warships do not use armor because it is absolutely useless against modern anti-ship missiles. The real life Trident II, which my missile is based on, carries multiple warheads that do reenter the atmosphere at mach 17.

Furthermore, I told you exactly how to stop them, and even gave you the name of a real life missile designed specifically to shoot down ballistic missiles. That said, I may have played them up a bit much when describing them. A 2000 lb tungsten slug travelling at mach 17 is certainly capable of taking out a carrier (note that just because they're capable of this doesn't mean they will do so every single time). However, unlike an explosive warhead, it needs a direct hit to do so; a 1000 lb high explosive warhead exploding five feet from a ship will still cause massive damage, but a kinetic energy warhead that misses by five feet won't inflict any damage whatsoever.

And to be fair, this is the first combat use of these missiles. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to RP some of the warheads malfunctioning in some way: failing to track their targets properly for example.

If you still don't believe me, you're welcome to go ask the folks at the NS Military Realism Consultation Thread.

Also, are you attacking my fleet with ballistic missiles? What kind: nuclear or conventional like mine? Also, how many warheads per missile?

@Valaran: The reason Hayabusa took heavy casualties and I didn't is because Hayabusa was relying on surface radars – which are limited to less than 100 km detection range against surface targets because the radar can't see around the curveature of the earth (the radar horizon) – to spot my missiles, which left him with only a few seconds to react. His other mistake was relying on short range AA guns as his only defense. Point defense (or CWIS) batteries are intended to be a last ditch weapon for when your longer range defenses fail.

I, on the other hand, was using an AEW aircraft (basically a flying radar array) both to detect his fleet and guide my missiles to their targets until they could use their own radar seekers, and to detect his return attack. By putting a radar high up in the air, it is able to see much farther as the curve of the earth is not in the way as much anymore. By placing my AEW plane between my fleet and Hayabusa's, I was able to detect his missiles much further away from my fleet.

I also use a layered defense of long, medium, and short range SAMs, followed by point defense CIWS and decoys like radar chaff. This means that I can engage his missiles at a much greater range than he was able to engage mine. It also means that his missiles have to get through four layers of defenses, while mine only had to get through one. You'll also notice that I used almost 3 times as many SAMs to shoot down his missiles as he attacked with.

[Valaran]

OOC: @Humgonia: The missiles are not Godmodding. Similar technology


@Valaran: The reason Hayabusa took heavy casualties and I didn't is because Hayabusa was relying on surface radars – which are limited to less than 100 km detection range against surface targets because the radar can't see around the curveature of the earth (the radar horizon) – to spot my missiles, which left him with only a few seconds to react. His other mistake was relying on short range AA guns as his only defense. Point defense (or CWIS) batteries are intended to be a last ditch weapon for when your longer range defenses fail.

I, on the other hand, was using an AEW aircraft (basically a flying radar array) both to detect his fleet and guide my missiles to their targets until they could use their own radar seekers, and to detect his return attack. By putting a radar high up in the air, it is able to see much farther as the curve of the earth is not in the way as much anymore. By placing my AEW plane between my fleet and Hayabusa's, I was able to detect his missiles much further away from my fleet.

I also use a layered defense of long, medium, and short range SAMs, followed by point defense CIWS and decoys like radar chaff. This means that I can engage his missiles at a much greater range than he was able to engage mine. It also means that his missiles have to get through four layers of defenses, while mine only had to get through one. You'll also notice that I used almost 3 times as many SAMs to shoot down his missiles as he attacked with.

OOC: No, fair enough, it wasn't that I was saying you were godmodding, I was merely expressing that it felt a bit unfair that your forces seem largely unscathed despite the not insubstantial firepower they have been hit with. It was just a general impression: the missiles weren't the only thing - those light fingolfin (nice name btw - good use of Tolkien stuff) transports suffering nothing more than one broken track against A 10s (these are A 10s we are talking about - they took out tanks in the 90s); the sheer number of missiles that you fired suddenly from 12 planes. You do have rational and well-reasoned excuses, but it was a general impression (its almost like your forces have no weaknesses)

[Barsovich]

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[Valaran]

Barsovichian aircraft, being already in the combat zone, and having achieved air superiority throughout a wide area for some time, and having been patrolling the surrounding areas for some time now, mustered together 60 fighters that were already in the area to intercept the Mitheldalondian aircraft before they were able to drop their payloads. Air-to-Air missiles were also launched from some distance away, as well as ground-to-air missiles, at the approaching B-1 Lancers.

The Barsovichian Navy, containing advanced anti-missile defences, including a specially developed Electromagnetic Countermeasure system, which was also possesed in quite some numbers by the Barsovichian Ground forces, albeit in smaller numbers. However, casualties were still taken by the Naval forces, although the carriers, which were positioned in the center of the other vessels, (with submarines forming an outer ring to provide an early warning if any missiles had flown overhead, to provide greater defence against missile attacks, were unscathed. Approximately 4 Destoyers, 2 Frigates, and 4 cruisers were lost. On land, 43 Barsovichian tanks were lost, and 300 troops were killed by the bombardment that did reach them.

OOC: Also, Barsovich has radar systems based in satellites that are currently orbiting above Angbhand that are capable of detecting aircraft and naval vessels.

Meanwhile, in Hyperion, Barsovichian aircraft touched down at insurgent controlled areas, dropping off heavy tanks, missile defence systems, anti aircraft artillery, and large numbers of troops.

Also, do the Barsovich forces agree to this temporary ceasefire, and take part in negotiations? - Nygaard

[Barsovich]

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