The Vladivostok Alliance (DISBANDED)

[Solyhniya]

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.

I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.

This worries me: every military in the world bar the poorest African militants has a standard equipment list. Have you ever seen a Royal Infantryman carrying an AK-47? Do UN soldiers ever carry QBZs? Does Spetznaz use the G36C? Probably in COD, not IRL.

[La Habana]

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.

I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.

This worries me: every military in the world bar the poorest African militants has a standard equipment list. Have you ever seen a Royal Infantryman carrying an AK-47? Do UN soldiers ever carry QBZs? Does Spetznaz use the G36C? Probably in COD, not IRL.

I don't quite understand your point here.....La Habana's forces do have a standard set of equipment, but it is 'above standard' if that makes sense? I.e. they have to use equipment that is the 'best of the best' due to all La Habana's ERF forces being special forces, not standard forces. Therefore, for example, if the M16 became the standard rifle of the ERF, it would be completely inadequate for our special forces. Have you ever seen Navy SEALS just using the M16 for example?

[Grittonia]

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.

I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.

This worries me: every military in the world bar the poorest African militants has a standard equipment list. Have you ever seen a Royal Infantryman carrying an AK-47? Do UN soldiers ever carry QBZs? Does Spetznaz use the G36C? Probably in COD, not IRL.

Every military would have to purchase, train and maintain new weapons. Thus, standard equipment is bad.

What we could TRY is making a list of the most used caliber of bullets for each kind of weapon and then advise/insist that the ERF forces from each nation uses that caliber. That would make logistics somewhat easier and then it is still possible for troops to transfer ammo to each other.

[Nitom]

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.

I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.

This worries me: every military in the world bar the poorest African militants has a standard equipment list. Have you ever seen a Royal Infantryman carrying an AK-47? Do UN soldiers ever carry QBZs? Does Spetznaz use the G36C? Probably in COD, not IRL.

I don't quite understand your point here.....La Habana's forces do have a standard set of equipment, but it is 'above standard' if that makes sense? I.e. they have to use equipment that is the 'best of the best' due to all La Habana's ERF forces being special forces, not standard forces. Therefore, for example, if the M16 became the standard rifle of the ERF, it would be completely inadequate for our special forces. Have you ever seen Navy SEALS just using the M16 for example?

Ya i have seen navy seals using the m-16.

[Grittonia]

Ya i have seen navy seals using the m-16.

Are you even a member?

[Nitom]

Ya i have seen navy seals using the m-16.

Are you even a member?

Ya, BP accepted me in.

[Grittonia]

Ya i have seen navy seals using the m-16.

Are you even a member?

Ya, BP accepted me in.

He did? Ah.

[Nitom]

yep, you can go ask him your self if you want.

[Grittonia]

yep, you can go ask him your self if you want.

Oh, don't worry. I already send him something.

[Nitom]

So now if im correct, then you are running for chairman.

[Grittonia]

So now if im correct, then you are running for chairman.

Indeed, I am.

Grittonia 4 Chairman!

[Nitom]

Well then can you tell us what you can offer the alliance and it's members?

[Solyhniya]

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.

I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.

This worries me: every military in the world bar the poorest African militants has a standard equipment list. Have you ever seen a Royal Infantryman carrying an AK-47? Do UN soldiers ever carry QBZs? Does Spetznaz use the G36C? Probably in COD, not IRL.

I don't quite understand your point here.....La Habana's forces do have a standard set of equipment, but it is 'above standard' if that makes sense? I.e. they have to use equipment that is the 'best of the best' due to all La Habana's ERF forces being special forces, not standard forces. Therefore, for example, if the M16 became the standard rifle of the ERF, it would be completely inadequate for our special forces. Have you ever seen Navy SEALS just using the M16 for example?

I didn't say every soldier should have the same kit. I said the ERF should have a standard list of armaments i.e. not just using a random series of weapons like the Russians in COD6 but instead behaving like a real army.

[Uawc]

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.

I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.

This worries me: every military in the world bar the poorest African militants has a standard equipment list. Have you ever seen a Royal Infantryman carrying an AK-47? Do UN soldiers ever carry QBZs? Does Spetznaz use the G36C? Probably in COD, not IRL.

Every military would have to purchase, train and maintain new weapons. Thus, standard equipment is bad.

What we could TRY is making a list of the most used caliber of bullets for each kind of weapon and then advise/insist that the ERF forces from each nation uses that caliber. That would make logistics somewhat easier and then it is still possible for troops to transfer ammo to each other.

This caliber idea is good. I suggest Union rounds; for full-size rifles, we have rimless 7.62x54mm rounds. More powerful than 7.62x51mm, and legendary for accuracy and range...and, because our 7.62x54mm rounds are rimless, they can be easily loaded into box magazines and fired on fully automatic.

For assault rifles and carbines, the Union uses 7.62x39mmC. This is very similar to the M67 7.62 short, except the bullet is especially designed to be not as stable; it has a hollow space inside (like the 5.45x39mm round) which means lots of tumbling when entering human tissue. The 7.62x39mmC also retains the anti-materiel power the M67 7.62x39mm round has, so it can literally blast through solid concrete, enter the target from behind, tumble, and end the conflict. In short, it combines the sheer ball-shrinking power of the 7.62x39 with the lethality of the 5.45x39 cartridge.

For handguns and submachine guns, we use 11.43x23mm. It's the same as .45 ACP.

For PDWs we use 5.7x28mm, the same cartridge used in the P90.

[Grittonia]

Well then can you tell us what you can offer the alliance and it's members?

As I posted before, these are my (main) points:

Grittonian Points of benefits for the election of glorious position of Chairman-person for the Vladivostok Alliance/Chairman Improvement Plan

*Streamlining of the applications, which include a list of Acceptance points and a adding of a sample RP showing part
*Set up of a New-Player Improvement Plan to improve trade and peace between the Vladivostok Alliance and small or economicly weak Nations
*Beginning of a three-headed advisory team for the Chairman, these advisors will be picked from the alliance for their skills in the fields of either Economics, Military Workings or Diplomatics
*Opening of a grand Vladivostok Alliance Embassy Ground, which will be situated near Gritta City, Grittonia's capital, which will allow members and non-members quick diplomatic access to each other
*Making this alliance a meeting place for nations to discuss diplomacy, military and economic issues in a peacefull enviroment
*Beginning of a monthly Alliance RP, this can be anything from a war practice, to a diplomatic meeting etc.

[Grittonia]

This caliber idea is good. I suggest Union rounds; for full-size rifles, we have rimless 7.62x54mm rounds. More powerful than 7.62x51mm, and legendary for accuracy and range...and, because our 7.62x54mm rounds are rimless, they can be easily loaded into box magazines and fired on fully automatic.

For assault rifles and carbines, the Union uses 7.62x39mmC. This is very similar to the M67 7.62 short, except the bullet is especially designed to be not as stable; it has a hollow space inside (like the 5.45x39mm round) which means lots of tumbling when entering human tissue. The 7.62x39mmC also retains the anti-materiel power the M67 7.62x39mm round has, so it can literally blast through solid concrete, enter the target from behind, tumble, and end the conflict. In short, it combines the sheer ball-shrinking power of the 7.62x39 with the lethality of the 5.45x39 cartridge.

Again, why use the union stuff? As with the guns, you want us to use your stuff.
Why not use Grittonian stuff? Why not use La Habanian (sorry if I got it wrong ) stuff? Why not use Belkan stuff?

Not saying that we should use their/mine stuff, just saying that there should be a democratic voting about it.

[Uawc]

This caliber idea is good. I suggest Union rounds; for full-size rifles, we have rimless 7.62x54mm rounds. More powerful than 7.62x51mm, and legendary for accuracy and range...and, because our 7.62x54mm rounds are rimless, they can be easily loaded into box magazines and fired on fully automatic.

For assault rifles and carbines, the Union uses 7.62x39mmC. This is very similar to the M67 7.62 short, except the bullet is especially designed to be not as stable; it has a hollow space inside (like the 5.45x39mm round) which means lots of tumbling when entering human tissue. The 7.62x39mmC also retains the anti-materiel power the M67 7.62x39mm round has, so it can literally blast through solid concrete, enter the target from behind, tumble, and end the conflict. In short, it combines the sheer ball-shrinking power of the 7.62x39 with the lethality of the 5.45x39 cartridge.

Again, why use the union stuff? As with the guns, you want us to use your stuff.
Why not use Grittonian stuff? Why not use La Habanian (sorry if I got it wrong ) stuff? Why not use Belkan stuff?

Not saying that we should use their/mine stuff, just saying that there should be a democratic voting about it.

It's because we know our stuff and we want the best for this alliance.

I agree. Let's do this the democratic way.

[Solyhniya]

This caliber idea is good. I suggest Union rounds; for full-size rifles, we have rimless 7.62x54mm rounds. More powerful than 7.62x51mm, and legendary for accuracy and range...and, because our 7.62x54mm rounds are rimless, they can be easily loaded into box magazines and fired on fully automatic.

For assault rifles and carbines, the Union uses 7.62x39mmC. This is very similar to the M67 7.62 short, except the bullet is especially designed to be not as stable; it has a hollow space inside (like the 5.45x39mm round) which means lots of tumbling when entering human tissue. The 7.62x39mmC also retains the anti-materiel power the M67 7.62x39mm round has, so it can literally blast through solid concrete, enter the target from behind, tumble, and end the conflict. In short, it combines the sheer ball-shrinking power of the 7.62x39 with the lethality of the 5.45x39 cartridge.

Again, why use the union stuff? As with the guns, you want us to use your stuff.
Why not use Grittonian stuff? Why not use La Habanian (sorry if I got it wrong ) stuff? Why not use Belkan stuff?

Not saying that we should use their/mine stuff, just saying that there should be a democratic voting about it.

Agreed. However, I would warn you that Solyhniyan guns are chambered in Solyhniyan calibers. If the ERF requests any item from our "Armory of Solyhniya" tab (which it may do at any time), it will have to request the relative ammunition as well.

[Nitom]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

[Uawc]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

wat

How the hell is that supposed to work?

[Grittonia]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

wat

How the hell is that supposed to work?

Indeed, that is impossible.

[Nitom]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

wat

How the hell is that supposed to work?

Indeed, that is impossible.

No its not, its the very same type of ammo that could have ended hitlers life in ww2.

[Uawc]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

wat

How the hell is that supposed to work?

Indeed, that is impossible.

No its not, its the very same type of ammo that could have ended hitlers life in ww2.

Freaking .22 LR could have ended Hitler's life, the man wasn't an armor-plated cyborg.

[Grittonia]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

wat

How the hell is that supposed to work?

Indeed, that is impossible.

No its not, its the very same type of ammo that could have ended hitlers life in ww2.

Freaking .22 LR could have ended Hitler's life, the man wasn't an armor-plated cyborg.

A pencil could have ended Hitler's life.

[Sailsia]

Well i think we should use the nitomian X.986 M39 explosive rounds for the alliance gaurd, it can be used in almost any weapon.

wat

How the hell is that supposed to work?

Indeed, that is impossible.

No its not, its the very same type of ammo that could have ended hitlers life in ww2.

Freaking .22 LR could have ended Hitler's life, the man wasn't an armor-plated cyborg.

True

That gets to be a little to far off into fantasy, this is after all, a NS real world alliance.