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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:51 pm

Solyhniya wrote:
Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.


I agree. Furthermore, I believe the VA should have a standard series of equipment for its ERF.

Also, I would like to announce the creation of a dedicated Solyhniyan ERF division: the EXPF are to be withdrawn from the ERF posthaste and replace with 300,000 VA-dedicated personnel.


Wait, is something happening? The Union will help!
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:19 pm

UAWC wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.


I agree. Furthermore, I believe the VA should have a standard series of equipment for its ERF.

Also, I would like to announce the creation of a dedicated Solyhniyan ERF division: the EXPF are to be withdrawn from the ERF posthaste and replace with 300,000 VA-dedicated personnel.


Wait, is something happening? The Union will help!


No. We need the Ekspedicijnaja Myrotvorčaja Armija (Expeditional Peacekeeping Force - EXPF) to fullfil its original role. Instead, our donation to the Emergency Reaction Forces will be comprised of troops dedicated to this purpose, rather than peacekeeping. This allows Solyhniya to keep forces for foreign intervention.
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:21 pm

Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.

I'll split the airforces for the Alliance Guard and ERF so you both have pretty much the same amount, that way in the event of a coup, the Alliance Guard isn't totally outnumbered in terms of air support, ground forces however, that's a bit different...
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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:25 pm

Solyhniya wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.


I agree. Furthermore, I believe the VA should have a standard series of equipment for its ERF.

Also, I would like to announce the creation of a dedicated Solyhniyan ERF division: the EXPF are to be withdrawn from the ERF posthaste and replace with 300,000 VA-dedicated personnel.


Wait, is something happening? The Union will help!


No. We need the Ekspedicijnaja Myrotvorčaja Armija (Expeditional Peacekeeping Force - EXPF) to fullfil its original role. Instead, our donation to the Emergency Reaction Forces will be comprised of troops dedicated to this purpose, rather than peacekeeping. This allows Solyhniya to keep forces for foreign intervention.


The Union will donate 30 2012 Battlemechs, 50 DtN-6 main battle tanks, and 10 000 soldiers to the EPF. We do request however that they remain in the Union until needed.

I would like to mention that the 2012 Battlemech and the DtN-6 tanks both feature 130mm revolver cannons which can fire up to 6 massive shells in quick succession.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:44 pm

UAWC wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.


I agree. Furthermore, I believe the VA should have a standard series of equipment for its ERF.

Also, I would like to announce the creation of a dedicated Solyhniyan ERF division: the EXPF are to be withdrawn from the ERF posthaste and replace with 300,000 VA-dedicated personnel.


Wait, is something happening? The Union will help!


No. We need the Ekspedicijnaja Myrotvorčaja Armija (Expeditional Peacekeeping Force - EXPF) to fullfil its original role. Instead, our donation to the Emergency Reaction Forces will be comprised of troops dedicated to this purpose, rather than peacekeeping. This allows Solyhniya to keep forces for foreign intervention.


The Union will donate 30 2012 Battlemechs, 50 DtN-6 main battle tanks, and 10 000 soldiers to the EPF. We do request however that they remain in the Union until needed.

I would like to mention that the 2012 Battlemech and the DtN-6 tanks both feature 130mm revolver cannons which can fire up to 6 massive shells in quick succession.


Like the new tank!
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:51 pm

OOC: Alliance Page updated, if you spot any mistakes TG me and I'll fix them as soon as possible. Thank You!
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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:56 pm

Solyhniya wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.


I agree. Furthermore, I believe the VA should have a standard series of equipment for its ERF.

Also, I would like to announce the creation of a dedicated Solyhniyan ERF division: the EXPF are to be withdrawn from the ERF posthaste and replace with 300,000 VA-dedicated personnel.


Wait, is something happening? The Union will help!


No. We need the Ekspedicijnaja Myrotvorčaja Armija (Expeditional Peacekeeping Force - EXPF) to fullfil its original role. Instead, our donation to the Emergency Reaction Forces will be comprised of troops dedicated to this purpose, rather than peacekeeping. This allows Solyhniya to keep forces for foreign intervention.


The Union will donate 30 2012 Battlemechs, 50 DtN-6 main battle tanks, and 10 000 soldiers to the EPF. We do request however that they remain in the Union until needed.

I would like to mention that the 2012 Battlemech and the DtN-6 tanks both feature 130mm revolver cannons which can fire up to 6 massive shells in quick succession.


Like the new tank!

Thanks much, it's based off of the 2012 mech but with treads. Also a lot less heavy.
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Postby Sailsia » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:04 pm

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To: High Command of The Vladivostok Alliance
From: Prime Minister Alex Grean


Requesting Assistance for my nation. We have fended off a missile strike, but an invasion seems imminent. Please send help, right away.
It is in the best interest of the Vladivostok Alliance to quash the expansionist ambitions of Vlack Strum and allies, before they dominate innocent nations, and their people.


Prime Minister of the Republic of Sailsia,
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:07 pm

Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields

For Example:

This is the ERF "Standardized unit"

2,000 Men armed with FAMAS's
Leopard II's
Warrior Armoured Vehicles

vs.

Current ERF

2,000 Men Armed wIth M-16's, FAMA's, AN-94's, X-M8's, PTK MG's, SAW's, M60's
Leopard II's, M1 Abrams, T-90's, Leman Russes
Warrior Armoured Vehicles, Bradley Fighting Vehicle, BMP-2's, Chimera Mk II's

I honestly think the current ERF would be better functioning as far as versatility goes
But we do need a COMMON SYMBOL or UNIFORM to be able to distinguish friend from foe
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:23 pm

Sailsia wrote:
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Official Message



To: High Command of The Vladivostok Alliance
From: Prime Minister Alex Grean


Requesting Assistance for my nation. We have fended off a missile strike, but an invasion seems imminent. Please send help, right away.
It is in the best interest of the Vladivostok Alliance to quash the expansionist ambitions of Vlack Strum and allies, before they dominate innocent nations, and their people.


Prime Minister of the Republic of Sailsia,
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Diverting troops now...

(we will act as an expeditionary force and will call in the ERF if it escalates)

we will be diverting our own:

9th Adriatic Fleet
- 2 Nimitz Class Carriers
- 2 Admiral Kuznetsov Class Carriers
- 2 Iowa Class Battleships
- 9 Kiev Heavy Cruisers
- 10 Ticonderoga Class Missile Cruisers
- 3 Typhoon Class Ballistic Missile Submarines
- 14 Troop Transport Ships

-195th Infantry Regiment (2,000 Men with Armoured Support) - Onboard
-109th Infantry Regiment (2,000 Men with Armoured Support) - Onboard

-708th Fighter-Bomber Wing
-845th Fighter-Bomber Wing
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:45 pm

Srry about the triple/double posting but the Alliance should know
This is what I have for sides in the Sailsian conflict so far:

Hostiles
Vlack Sturm
The Anglo-Saxon Empire
Rakmaar
Onyenu
Raludcia
Leauge of Imperialist Nati

Allies
Allied Gov.
Berzerkirs
Libertarian Republics
Joesavi
Sailsia
us - Belkan Provinces
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Postby Nitom » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:56 pm

This looks fun, i might join. But anyways have i been accepted into the alliance?
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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:46 pm

Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields


I feel standardized weaponry would be the best way to go, in order to simplify logistics and thus make our forces overall more effective. Thankfully, the UAWC has the solution.

UAWC wrote:In an effort to standardize its equipment and simplify logistics, the UAWC has decided to make our CS-RO bullpup battle rifle the new main weapon of the Union. We've taken advantage of its high modularity, coming up with four standard configurations of the rifle to suit different purposes. Of course, there are many, many other configurations - the CS-RO is to the Union what the AR-15 is to capitalist countries.

First off, the standard, original version, simply called the CS-RO. Fires 7.62x54mm from a box magazine of 25 rounds (both larger and smaller magazines are available). Has a two-stage trigger and an internal safety. When on fully automatic, it fires at 550 RPM. The CS-RO was originally designed as a designated marksman rifle, but due to its relatively compact size compared to other rifles of the same type, high degree of accuracy, and other factors, it has found its place in many different roles. It is, as aforementioned, highly modular, and can be customized in many different ways. This rifle has been in service with the Union for many years and remains virtually unchanged.

Next up is the AR-RO. It's the assault rifle version, and fires 7.62x39mmC (Our version of 7.62x39, optimized for tumbling which significantly boosts the lethality of the round). It can use old, cheap AK mags, though usually is loaded with new ones of 30 (both larger and smaller mags exist, however). Like the other versions of the CS-RO, it has a two-stage trigger. Unlike them, it's 600 RPM when fully automatic.

And now for the MG-RO, the machine gun configuration. Can work as either a light or general purpose machine gun, feeding from either AK mags or boxes of 50, 70, 75, 100, and other sizes. Two-stage trigger, of course, and the MG-RO fires at 700 RPM when on fully automatic. It can be chambered in 7.62x39mmC or 7.62x54mm.

Finally, we have the MP-RO. Nearly a submachine gun, it can lay down high volumes of fire and is meant for CQB in urban environments, for use by special ops teams. Again, 7.62x39mmC, 30-round mag with larger and smaller ones available. Two-stage trigger, 800 RPM when fully automatic. This is the least accurate of the CS-RO standard versions. However, due to its bullpup design it still has a long barrel by carbine standards and is still accurate enough to be useful.

All versions of the CS-RO are gas-operated and fire from a rotating bolt. And, in reality, these are all pretty much the same gun with only a couple different extra parts. A Union soldier can be trained to turn one into the other fairly quickly and easily, and the CS-RO comes with all the parts necessary to do so.
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:18 pm

UAWC wrote:
Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields


I feel standardized weaponry would be the best way to go, in order to simplify logistics and thus make our forces overall more effective. Thankfully, the UAWC has the solution.

UAWC wrote:In an effort to standardize its equipment and simplify logistics, the UAWC has decided to make our CS-RO bullpup battle rifle the new main weapon of the Union. We've taken advantage of its high modularity, coming up with four standard configurations of the rifle to suit different purposes. Of course, there are many, many other configurations - the CS-RO is to the Union what the AR-15 is to capitalist countries.

First off, the standard, original version, simply called the CS-RO. Fires 7.62x54mm from a box magazine of 25 rounds (both larger and smaller magazines are available). Has a two-stage trigger and an internal safety. When on fully automatic, it fires at 550 RPM. The CS-RO was originally designed as a designated marksman rifle, but due to its relatively compact size compared to other rifles of the same type, high degree of accuracy, and other factors, it has found its place in many different roles. It is, as aforementioned, highly modular, and can be customized in many different ways. This rifle has been in service with the Union for many years and remains virtually unchanged.

Next up is the AR-RO. It's the assault rifle version, and fires 7.62x39mmC (Our version of 7.62x39, optimized for tumbling which significantly boosts the lethality of the round). It can use old, cheap AK mags, though usually is loaded with new ones of 30 (both larger and smaller mags exist, however). Like the other versions of the CS-RO, it has a two-stage trigger. Unlike them, it's 600 RPM when fully automatic.

And now for the MG-RO, the machine gun configuration. Can work as either a light or general purpose machine gun, feeding from either AK mags or boxes of 50, 70, 75, 100, and other sizes. Two-stage trigger, of course, and the MG-RO fires at 700 RPM when on fully automatic. It can be chambered in 7.62x39mmC or 7.62x54mm.

Finally, we have the MP-RO. Nearly a submachine gun, it can lay down high volumes of fire and is meant for CQB in urban environments, for use by special ops teams. Again, 7.62x39mmC, 30-round mag with larger and smaller ones available. Two-stage trigger, 800 RPM when fully automatic. This is the least accurate of the CS-RO standard versions. However, due to its bullpup design it still has a long barrel by carbine standards and is still accurate enough to be useful.

All versions of the CS-RO are gas-operated and fire from a rotating bolt. And, in reality, these are all pretty much the same gun with only a couple different extra parts. A Union soldier can be trained to turn one into the other fairly quickly and easily, and the CS-RO comes with all the parts necessary to do so.


Ok, but if we do standardize weaponry, we should begin to organise the ERF into military units

Regiment/Brigade - 3,000–5,000 - Colonel/Brigadier/Brigadier General
Division - 10,000–15,000 - Major General
Corps - 20,000–45,000 - Lieutenant General
Field army - 80,000–200,000 - General
Army group - 400,000–1,000,000 - Field Marshal
Army Region - 1,000,000–3,000,000 - Field Marshal
Army theater - 3,000,000–10,000,000 - Field Marshal

plus when you think about it, if we assign the units to members, it'll hopefully keep people active
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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:22 pm

Belkan Provinces wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields


I feel standardized weaponry would be the best way to go, in order to simplify logistics and thus make our forces overall more effective. Thankfully, the UAWC has the solution.

UAWC wrote:In an effort to standardize its equipment and simplify logistics, the UAWC has decided to make our CS-RO bullpup battle rifle the new main weapon of the Union. We've taken advantage of its high modularity, coming up with four standard configurations of the rifle to suit different purposes. Of course, there are many, many other configurations - the CS-RO is to the Union what the AR-15 is to capitalist countries.

First off, the standard, original version, simply called the CS-RO. Fires 7.62x54mm from a box magazine of 25 rounds (both larger and smaller magazines are available). Has a two-stage trigger and an internal safety. When on fully automatic, it fires at 550 RPM. The CS-RO was originally designed as a designated marksman rifle, but due to its relatively compact size compared to other rifles of the same type, high degree of accuracy, and other factors, it has found its place in many different roles. It is, as aforementioned, highly modular, and can be customized in many different ways. This rifle has been in service with the Union for many years and remains virtually unchanged.

Next up is the AR-RO. It's the assault rifle version, and fires 7.62x39mmC (Our version of 7.62x39, optimized for tumbling which significantly boosts the lethality of the round). It can use old, cheap AK mags, though usually is loaded with new ones of 30 (both larger and smaller mags exist, [spoiler]however). Like the other versions of the CS-RO, it has a two-stage trigger. Unlike them, it's 600 RPM when fully automatic.

And now for the MG-RO, the machine gun configuration. Can work as either a light or general purpose machine gun, feeding from either AK mags or boxes of 50, 70, 75, 100, and other sizes. Two-stage trigger, of course, and the MG-RO fires at 700 RPM when on fully automatic. It can be chambered in 7.62x39mmC or 7.62x54mm.

Finally, we have the MP-RO. Nearly a submachine gun, it can lay down high volumes of fire and is meant for CQB in urban environments, for use by special ops teams. Again, 7.62x39mmC, 30-round mag with larger and smaller ones available. Two-stage trigger, 800 RPM when fully automatic. This is the least accurate of the CS-RO standard versions. However, due to its bullpup design it still has a long barrel by carbine standards and is still accurate enough to be useful.

All versions of the CS-RO are gas-operated and fire from a rotating bolt. And, in reality, these are all pretty much the same gun with only a couple different extra parts. A Union soldier can be trained to turn one into the other fairly quickly and easily, and the CS-RO comes with all the parts necessary to do so.


Ok, but if we do standardize weaponry, we should begin to organise the ERF into military units

Regiment/Brigade 3,000–5,000 Colonel/Brigadier/Brigadier General
Division 10,000–15,000 Major General
Corps 20,000–45,000 Lieutenant General
Field army 80,000–200,000 General
Army group 400,000–1,000,000 Field Marshal
Army Region 1,000,000–3,000,000 Field Marshal
Army theater 3,000,000–10,000,000 Field Marshal

plus when you think about it, if we assign the units to members, it'll hopefully keep people active


While I'm pleased to hear you're fine with our CS-RO rifle standardizing the Alliance's military forces, I feel that it is unfair for us to implement it immediately without the consent of those who will be using it (the ERF soldiers). Therefore, once again, I call for the democratic process. I think we should hold a referendum regarding the standardization of the Union's forces once we've figured everything out.
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:24 pm

UAWC wrote:
Belkan Provinces wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields


I feel standardized weaponry would be the best way to go, in order to simplify logistics and thus make our forces overall more effective. Thankfully, the UAWC has the solution.

UAWC wrote:In an effort to standardize its equipment and simplify logistics, the UAWC has decided to make our CS-RO bullpup battle rifle the new main weapon of the Union. We've taken advantage of its high modularity, coming up with four standard configurations of the rifle to suit different purposes. Of course, there are many, many other configurations - the CS-RO is to the Union what the AR-15 is to capitalist countries.

First off, the standard, original version, simply called the CS-RO. Fires 7.62x54mm from a box magazine of 25 rounds (both larger and smaller magazines are available). Has a two-stage trigger and an internal safety. When on fully automatic, it fires at 550 RPM. The CS-RO was originally designed as a designated marksman rifle, but due to its relatively compact size compared to other rifles of the same type, high degree of accuracy, and other factors, it has found its place in many different roles. It is, as aforementioned, highly modular, and can be customized in many different ways. This rifle has been in service with the Union for many years and remains virtually unchanged.

Next up is the AR-RO. It's the assault rifle version, and fires 7.62x39mmC (Our version of 7.62x39, optimized for tumbling which significantly boosts the lethality of the round). It can use old, cheap AK mags, though usually is loaded with new ones of 30 (both larger and smaller mags exist, [spoiler]however). Like the other versions of the CS-RO, it has a two-stage trigger. Unlike them, it's 600 RPM when fully automatic.

And now for the MG-RO, the machine gun configuration. Can work as either a light or general purpose machine gun, feeding from either AK mags or boxes of 50, 70, 75, 100, and other sizes. Two-stage trigger, of course, and the MG-RO fires at 700 RPM when on fully automatic. It can be chambered in 7.62x39mmC or 7.62x54mm.

Finally, we have the MP-RO. Nearly a submachine gun, it can lay down high volumes of fire and is meant for CQB in urban environments, for use by special ops teams. Again, 7.62x39mmC, 30-round mag with larger and smaller ones available. Two-stage trigger, 800 RPM when fully automatic. This is the least accurate of the CS-RO standard versions. However, due to its bullpup design it still has a long barrel by carbine standards and is still accurate enough to be useful.

All versions of the CS-RO are gas-operated and fire from a rotating bolt. And, in reality, these are all pretty much the same gun with only a couple different extra parts. A Union soldier can be trained to turn one into the other fairly quickly and easily, and the CS-RO comes with all the parts necessary to do so.


Ok, but if we do standardize weaponry, we should begin to organise the ERF into military units

Regiment/Brigade 3,000–5,000 Colonel/Brigadier/Brigadier General
Division 10,000–15,000 Major General
Corps 20,000–45,000 Lieutenant General
Field army 80,000–200,000 General
Army group 400,000–1,000,000 Field Marshal
Army Region 1,000,000–3,000,000 Field Marshal
Army theater 3,000,000–10,000,000 Field Marshal

plus when you think about it, if we assign the units to members, it'll hopefully keep people active


While I'm pleased to hear you're fine with our CS-RO rifle standardizing the Alliance's military forces, I feel that it is unfair for us to implement it immediately without the consent of those who will be using it (the ERF soldiers). Therefore, once again, I call for the democratic process. I think we should hold a referendum regarding the standardization of the Union's forces once we've figured everything out.

I'll put up a poll for it once the election is over
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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:35 pm

Belkan Provinces wrote:
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Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields


I feel standardized weaponry would be the best way to go, in order to simplify logistics and thus make our forces overall more effective. Thankfully, the UAWC has the solution.

UAWC wrote:In an effort to standardize its equipment and simplify logistics, the UAWC has decided to make our CS-RO bullpup battle rifle the new main weapon of the Union. We've taken advantage of its high modularity, coming up with four standard configurations of the rifle to suit different purposes. Of course, there are many, many other configurations - the CS-RO is to the Union what the AR-15 is to capitalist countries.

First off, the standard, original version, simply called the CS-RO. Fires 7.62x54mm from a box magazine of 25 rounds (both larger and smaller magazines are available). Has a two-stage trigger and an internal safety. When on fully automatic, it fires at 550 RPM. The CS-RO was originally designed as a designated marksman rifle, but due to its relatively compact size compared to other rifles of the same type, high degree of accuracy, and other factors, it has found its place in many different roles. It is, as aforementioned, highly modular, and can be customized in many different ways. This rifle has been in service with the Union for many years and remains virtually unchanged.

Next up is the AR-RO. It's the assault rifle version, and fires 7.62x39mmC (Our version of 7.62x39, optimized for tumbling which significantly boosts the lethality of the round). It can use old, cheap AK mags, though usually is loaded with new ones of 30 (both larger and smaller mags exist, [spoiler]however). Like the other versions of the CS-RO, it has a two-stage trigger. Unlike them, it's 600 RPM when fully automatic.

And now for the MG-RO, the machine gun configuration. Can work as either a light or general purpose machine gun, feeding from either AK mags or boxes of 50, 70, 75, 100, and other sizes. Two-stage trigger, of course, and the MG-RO fires at 700 RPM when on fully automatic. It can be chambered in 7.62x39mmC or 7.62x54mm.

Finally, we have the MP-RO. Nearly a submachine gun, it can lay down high volumes of fire and is meant for CQB in urban environments, for use by special ops teams. Again, 7.62x39mmC, 30-round mag with larger and smaller ones available. Two-stage trigger, 800 RPM when fully automatic. This is the least accurate of the CS-RO standard versions. However, due to its bullpup design it still has a long barrel by carbine standards and is still accurate enough to be useful.

All versions of the CS-RO are gas-operated and fire from a rotating bolt. And, in reality, these are all pretty much the same gun with only a couple different extra parts. A Union soldier can be trained to turn one into the other fairly quickly and easily, and the CS-RO comes with all the parts necessary to do so.


Ok, but if we do standardize weaponry, we should begin to organise the ERF into military units

Regiment/Brigade 3,000–5,000 Colonel/Brigadier/Brigadier General
Division 10,000–15,000 Major General
Corps 20,000–45,000 Lieutenant General
Field army 80,000–200,000 General
Army group 400,000–1,000,000 Field Marshal
Army Region 1,000,000–3,000,000 Field Marshal
Army theater 3,000,000–10,000,000 Field Marshal

plus when you think about it, if we assign the units to members, it'll hopefully keep people active


While I'm pleased to hear you're fine with our CS-RO rifle standardizing the Alliance's military forces, I feel that it is unfair for us to implement it immediately without the consent of those who will be using it (the ERF soldiers). Therefore, once again, I call for the democratic process. I think we should hold a referendum regarding the standardization of the Union's forces once we've figured everything out.

I'll put up a poll for it once the election is over


That sounds like a good idea to me.
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Postby Uawc » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:41 pm

Solyhniya wrote:
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Renzenia wrote:Can i could get more fighters added to the Alliance Guard force? I mean only 700 fighters and transports and 50,000 helicopters, I dont need 50,000 helicopters, i need more fighter aircraft(preferably 5,000 or 6,000) so i was just wondering if that would be okay.


I agree. Furthermore, I believe the VA should have a standard series of equipment for its ERF.

Also, I would like to announce the creation of a dedicated Solyhniyan ERF division: the EXPF are to be withdrawn from the ERF posthaste and replace with 300,000 VA-dedicated personnel.


Wait, is something happening? The Union will help!


No. We need the Ekspedicijnaja Myrotvorčaja Armija (Expeditional Peacekeeping Force - EXPF) to fullfil its original role. Instead, our donation to the Emergency Reaction Forces will be comprised of troops dedicated to this purpose, rather than peacekeeping. This allows Solyhniya to keep forces for foreign intervention.


The Union will donate 30 2012 Battlemechs, 50 DtN-6 main battle tanks, and 10 000 soldiers to the EPF. We do request however that they remain in the Union until needed.

I would like to mention that the 2012 Battlemech and the DtN-6 tanks both feature 130mm revolver cannons which can fire up to 6 massive shells in quick succession.


Like the new tank!


On second thought, forget the 2012. We're done with it. We've got a new, lighter, faster, and more powerful mech, the 2013 Battlemech. We'll give the first ones we build to the Alliance's united forces.
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Postby Belkan Provinces » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:14 pm

Due to the fact that the mods haven't fixed the poll yet, the voting shall take place here:

I say again the Chairman Voting is here:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40840
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Postby Renzenia » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:47 am

That standard equipment idea is good.Any idea for Uniforms yet?? I have a suggestion for the helmets well be using: DONT GET THE BABY BLUE UN HELMETS!! Also, can i divert some of my own forces to the Alliance Guard like maybe some Republican Rangers and some more Leopard II's? Great choice for tanks by the way, Leopard II's are AWESOME :) :)
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Postby Grittonia » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:03 am

Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.
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Postby La Habana » Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:47 am

Grittonia wrote:Standard equipment is the worst idea ever. It has failed numerous times at several other alliances, and believe me, it won't work here.

Plus, I believe I AM the commander of the ERF, so anything related to 'my' forces, should be forwarded to me, awnsered by me and not decided by a small group of members who do not control the ERF.


I agree with this, standard equipment is a bad idea, on the grounds that it will force nations to have to completely re-equip their forces with weaponry that they have not been trained with. Also, La Habana is specialized in the 'quick surgical strike' special forces tactics, and has not placed any emphasis on 'set-piece battles' in years; as our population became intolerant of the high casualty figures of such battles. Therefore, standard equipment would be completely unsuitable for our forces.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:04 am

Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields

For Example:

This is the ERF "Standardized unit"

2,000 Men armed with FAMAS's
Leopard II's
Warrior Armoured Vehicles

vs.

Current ERF

2,000 Men Armed wIth M-16's, FAMA's, AN-94's, X-M8's, PTK MG's, SAW's, M60's
Leopard II's, M1 Abrams, T-90's, Leman Russes
Warrior Armoured Vehicles, Bradley Fighting Vehicle, BMP-2's, Chimera Mk II's

I honestly think the current ERF would be better functioning as far as versatility goes
But we do need a COMMON SYMBOL or UNIFORM to be able to distinguish friend from foe


Many of these weapons use different rounds and the vehicles all operate in different ways. This cannot work unless you have a standardised number of each weapon system per unit of men ("squad" or "platoon" etc.) which is what I suggested in the first place. Of course, any army must be versatile, though this does not mean giving them a ragtag jumble of weapons.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:07 am

Belkan Provinces wrote:Srry about the triple/double posting but the Alliance should know
This is what I have for sides in the Sailsian conflict so far:

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Postby Nitom » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:14 am

Solyhniya wrote:
Belkan Provinces wrote:Alright, I honestly think we shouldn't create standardized weaponry for the ERF because then we'd be limiting our military capabilities to only what the standard weapons can do, were as we have a blend of multiple weapons with multiple capabilities where they all can operate well in their specific fields

For Example:

This is the ERF "Standardized unit"

2,000 Men armed with FAMAS's
Leopard II's
Warrior Armoured Vehicles

vs.

Current ERF

2,000 Men Armed wIth M-16's, FAMA's, AN-94's, X-M8's, PTK MG's, SAW's, M60's
Leopard II's, M1 Abrams, T-90's, Leman Russes
Warrior Armoured Vehicles, Bradley Fighting Vehicle, BMP-2's, Chimera Mk II's

I honestly think the current ERF would be better functioning as far as versatility goes
But we do need a COMMON SYMBOL or UNIFORM to be able to distinguish friend from foe


Many of these weapons use different rounds and the vehicles all operate in different ways. This cannot work unless you have a standardised number of each weapon system per unit of men ("squad" or "platoon" etc.) which is what I suggested in the first place. Of course, any army must be versatile, though this does not mean giving them a ragtag jumble of weapons.
If you have a bunch of diffrent weapons and you train your troops to use each weapon, then if they run out of ammo on one type of weapon, they know how to pick up a enemy weapon and use it.
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