The Pivot OOC (Cornellia/Aurora ONLY)

[Norvenia]

I figured that we might need this, but I'm not going to throw any background information or application forms up - not yet, at least. I figure that if you're involved, you already know everything you need to know, or you can ask specific questions. This is just for planning and discussion.

And here is our IC.

[The Cookish States]

Well, I'm interested in participating. I'll try to type something up, figure out my stance, all that. I'm likely going to side with Norvenia, of course.

[Norvenia]

Well, I'm interested in participating. I'll try to type something up, figure out my stance, all that. I'm likely going to side with Norvenia, of course.

Wow, that will be a pleasant change.

Good to have you involved, Cooke.

[McNernia]

Well I wonder, Has 1 GNIG sailed?

[Norvenia]

We can assume that it is now in interregional waters. When it arrives in Cornellian international waters, we'll see whether my friends there are serious about trying to halt international shipping in international waters.

[McNernia]

We can assume that it is now in interregional waters. When it arrives in Cornellian international waters, we'll see whether my friends there are serious about trying to halt international shipping in international waters.

Huh, it seems like a hair trigger, one thing leads to another. A ship passing through leads to bases and then you know. And well HMS Andred plans to make a flag-showing in Norvenia.

[Norvenia]

We can assume that it is now in interregional waters. When it arrives in Cornellian international waters, we'll see whether my friends there are serious about trying to halt international shipping in international waters.

Huh, it seems like a hair trigger, one thing leads to another. A ship passing through leads to bases and then you know. And well HMS Andred plans to make a flag-showing in Norvenia.

Not without Norvenian permission. Those are Norvenian territorial waters. You need to run anything remotely like this by me first via TG.

[Late Roman Empire]

Does McNernia's participation now make this an open thread? Because McNernia is neither an Auroran nor a Cornellian power, you know.

[Norvenia]

Does McNernia's participation now make this an open thread? Because McNernia is neither an Auroran nor a Cornellian power, you know.

I am aware. No, it does not make this an open thread. Given McNernia's close association with Cornellia in several past threads, I assumed - and McNernia confirmed - that he was in many ways a de facto member of Cornellia, an integral part of the regional dynamic. After consultation with a number of parties involved in this RP, however, I've asked McNernia to limit his participation to diplomatic commentary. So no, this is not an open thread.

[The Cookish States]

Holy cow, I didn't just stir the pot, I dropped water into the fryer

The cookish government will probably backtrack on the punishing of civilians, as well as what I now see is piracy by seizing ships and destroying planes. We'll maintain diplomatic channels as well. I wrote that out in George bush's voice, which is probably why it is the way it is.

So, your news sources will soon have a heyday!

[Common Territories]

Let me just remind everyone, McNernia especially, that kinetic rods -- aka "Rods from God" -- are PMT orbital strike weapons. Not MT weapons.

[Jedoria]

aka "Rods from God"

You mean God's Rods?

[McNernia]

Let me just remind everyone, McNernia especially, that kinetic rods -- aka "Rods from God" -- are PMT orbital strike weapons. Not MT weapons.

Perhaps a prototype of those?

[Common Territories]

Let me just remind everyone, McNernia especially, that kinetic rods -- aka "Rods from God" -- are PMT orbital strike weapons. Not MT weapons.

Perhaps a prototype of those?

To Jed above; same thing

Norv: No. I should not have to get into detail about why that technology/weaponry is PMT class. I have had questions about the tech boundaries in this thread for a while, such as your holograms, but have been persuaded by others to leave it alone. All I am saying to everyone is just keep the tech boundaries in mind and have fun with this RP.

[Norvenia]

In Aurora, the rule for MT vs PMT is as follows: if a functioning prototype of a technology exists, then that technology can be regarded as MT, and players can choose to use it more broadly than in fact it is used IRL. Holographic communications and display systems do exist IRL in functioning prototype form; therefore, by Auroran standards, they are regarded as MT and can be used more widely than they are IRL. This is what I have done.

Orbital strike weapons, on the other hand, do not exist IRL in prototype form, and so are not MT, and cannot be used at all, or preferably even alluded to.

Since this is not a solely Auroran RP, I'm entirely willing to be flexible about the tech boundaries here, within reasonable limits. But when in doubt, the "functioning prototype test" is where I generally draw the line. Does that make things clearer for you, TECT?

[Common Territories]

In Aurora, the rule for MT vs PMT is as follows: if a functioning prototype of a technology exists, then that technology can be regarded as MT, and players can choose to use it more broadly than in fact it is used IRL. Holographic communications and display systems do exist IRL in functioning prototype form; therefore, by Auroran standards, they are regarded as MT and can be used more widely than they are IRL. This is what I have done.

Orbital strike weapons, on the other hand, do not exist IRL in prototype form, and so are not MT, and cannot be used at all, or preferably even alluded to.

Since this is not a solely Auroran RP, I'm entirely willing to be flexible about the tech boundaries here, within reasonable limits. But when in doubt, the "functioning prototype test" is where I generally draw the line. Does that make things clearer for you, TECT?

My sole concern with them was their practicality in these times. I do not doubt that god rods or holograms can exist in MT currently; the difference is that one has been made/tested and the other not. God rods are so loose of a weapon in MT it's like choosing to use laser weapons like in Star Wars; yea sure we're using lasers now more and more but is it practical? Is it possible technologically? Not right now it isn't. The thing about god rods is that they have never been tested, made, or considered because of various reasons; it is good to see we agree on orbital weapons as being PMT and higher.

As I explained above; holograms have been made and used before. They are used less roughly as you are using; but the way you use them has been done -- sort of. As you are aware of im sure -- the closest way used to how you used them has been done sorta on stages to bring to life (if you can consider the bad quality I've seen from it 'life') singers like Tupac to perform songs. Now I wouldn't know without more research but I'd say it has not been used to interact with live and without prior programing; I don't doubt however that if you could do the prior, you could somehow work a live version. That being said -- most people I have discussed this with agree that a super computer is needed for such a device to use. One person who actually works with a super computer laughed at the idea of it being used like how you have. The main reasons as it being laughably huge and prone to problems that need constant servicing. Now you could counter my statement here saying that you've done this by making the computer smaller or whatever. But wouldn't it be easier to just use tablets and other smooth screen devices instead? The technology is not only widely used if not popular; but it is easily possible and a lot cheaper. This was my main concern really with it; that it would be a waste of space, manpower, and safety to use this hologram device rather then a cheaper more proven system.

Personally though: There being just a prototype alone wouldn't change my mind. I would need tests, live action statistics, and actual practical use to decide that. Such as the Iron Dome missile defense system that was proven over last summer and since then; a new system that has proven itself to be an affective missile defense system.

[Norvenia]

In Aurora, the rule for MT vs PMT is as follows: if a functioning prototype of a technology exists, then that technology can be regarded as MT, and players can choose to use it more broadly than in fact it is used IRL. Holographic communications and display systems do exist IRL in functioning prototype form; therefore, by Auroran standards, they are regarded as MT and can be used more widely than they are IRL. This is what I have done.

Orbital strike weapons, on the other hand, do not exist IRL in prototype form, and so are not MT, and cannot be used at all, or preferably even alluded to.

Since this is not a solely Auroran RP, I'm entirely willing to be flexible about the tech boundaries here, within reasonable limits. But when in doubt, the "functioning prototype test" is where I generally draw the line. Does that make things clearer for you, TECT?

My sole concern with them was their practicality in these times. I do not doubt that god rods or holograms can exist in MT currently; the difference is that one has been made/tested and the other not. God rods are so loose of a weapon in MT it's like choosing to use laser weapons like in Star Wars; yea sure we're using lasers now more and more but is it practical? Is it possible technologically? Not right now it isn't. The thing about god rods is that they have never been tested, made, or considered because of various reasons; it is good to see we agree on orbital weapons as being PMT and higher.

As I explained above; holograms have been made and used before. They are used less roughly as you are using; but the way you use them has been done -- sort of. As you are aware of im sure -- the closest way used to how you used them has been done sorta on stages to bring to life (if you can consider the bad quality I've seen from it 'life') singers like Tupac to perform songs. Now I wouldn't know without more research but I'd say it has not been used to interact with live and without prior programing; I don't doubt however that if you could do the prior, you could somehow work a live version. That being said -- most people I have discussed this with agree that a super computer is needed for such a device to use. One person who actually works with a super computer laughed at the idea of it being used like how you have. The main reasons as it being laughably huge and prone to problems that need constant servicing. Now you could counter my statement here saying that you've done this by making the computer smaller or whatever. But wouldn't it be easier to just use tablets and other smooth screen devices instead? The technology is not only widely used if not popular; but it is easily possible and a lot cheaper. This was my main concern really with it; that it would be a waste of space, manpower, and safety to use this hologram device rather then a cheaper more proven system.

Personally though: There being just a prototype alone wouldn't change my mind. I would need tests, live action statistics, and actual practical use to decide that. Such as the Iron Dome missile defense system that was proven over last summer and since then; a new system that has proven itself to be an affective missile defense system.

Well, okay then. I'm no longer completely sure how this discussion relates to the thread at hand, and I'm really not that interested in debating these issues with you in any more abstract sense. So unless there's something that still bothers you about this story in particular, I'll be moving on.

[Norvenia]

RL is hitting me very hard right now, quite literally; I've managed to acquire a mild concussion. So I can't promise when I'll get replies up, but I am keeping track of everyone who needs a response. It's a-coming.

[Norvenia]

Once this confrontation with the pirates plays out, I think it may make sense to assume that the First Global NIG has rounded the southern coast of Ceti and is approaching its next crisis point - international waters between Ceti and East Klamath. Any objections?

[Jedoria]

Any objections?

Lack of snacks in the break room is a little disappointing, but other than that, nothing.

[Norvenia]

Any objections?

Lack of snacks in the break room is a little disappointing, but other than that, nothing.

Have a carrot, Gogo.

[Jedoria]

Lack of snacks in the break room is a little disappointing, but other than that, nothing.

Have a carrot, Gogo.

I like you.

[Norvenia]

So: a couple clarifications.

First: when Griffiths asks for Cornellian/Auroran democracies to advise him on the route of the First Global NIG and on their foreign policy priorities, you can either post informally here, send me a TG, or type up an official document and post it to the IC. Any of the three is fine by me.

Second: here is a link to a slightly more clear copy of the speech. It's a very important speech. You will probably have to refer back to it. This is, in short, a good link to have.

Third: any questions can either be sent to me by TG, or asked here. If you see this, and suspect that other people in the IC may not have, then please notify them of this post.

Thank you!

[Jedoria]

Shit's going down. God help us all.

[Jedoria]

Rest easy, Scott Burleigh.