GESO Official Joint Actions

[Bentus]

So long as each nations private sector is considered its own private territory and thus under the control of that nation and effectively under its own laws and regulations then the Consortium will cast an aye vote.

Bentus, whilst respecting the intentions of the Neornith representative, must insist that whilst each nations private sector can function under their own nation's law, it must be recognised from the onset that this should be a GESO station, and thus an overarching law be established to help foster co-operation. The introduction of differing legal systems essentially for neighbouring businesses could hamper the environment which he hope to create through this project in the first place. Regardless, we fully understand the dangers of such a path and therefore recommend that any overarching rules be limited only to those that can be taken as common for the entire alliance. An example of this would be the banning of all slavery and practices of slavery on the station, in line with the GESO charter itself.

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With regards to the gracious offer from our friends in the Ascendancy, Bentus would like to propose that the Alliance places them as the overall administrator of the project - although obviously they will not be able to act on certain issues without the alliance's consent. The purpose of this would be to have a nation with experience in the construction and undertaking of this nature providing valuable expertise during its initial phases and inception. However, we question whether having a pre-existing station brought in for the purpose is the most beneficial course of action.

Whilst we acknowledge the superior quality of Gaian starbase construction and their incredible workmanship, we feel that one of the central pillars of this project is the joint construction of a starbase by alliance members. This would be a test of inter-member co-operation and allow the sharing of civilian and engineering know-how for the benefit of us all. The supervised nature of this project also means it is a perfect opportunity for members with less developed vacuum infrastructure - such as the Commonwealth of Bentus itself - to learn the necessary skills. In deed, this project would be the most significant engineering challenge undertaken by the Commonwealth beyond a terrestrial atmosphere, and we feel that it is essential for us to learn the skills involved in order to stand side-by-side with our fellow alliance members.

The Comonwealth of Bentus' Delegation to GESO.

[The Fedral Union]

Ah, well the Terran Alliance would propose that the location of the station be accessible , we see no Issue with the Gaians hosting the station. We just wish it to be accessible and in the wider galaxy. That being said we can contribute some materials to any construction or additions to the station that may be required. We do think it is needed as the Bentusi delegation has said to make it a joint construction project.

[Hobbeebia]

The Hobbeebian Imperium Vote aye on this matter

[The United Dominion]

None of the ixee states (for whatever value the ones outside of the actual United Dominion are tied to GESO at all) would agree to expend resources on a joint station when we do not have the same access and control as anyone else. We would approve of a truly joint station - if the Gaian caveat of an Ascendancy-only power source is allowed, the proposal will neither have our support nor if and when it inevitably passes without our support will we contribute to its construction and maintenance.

[The Fedral Union]

Well then, we have to agree on where and how to host this facility. I do think it is necessary that every member be able to contribute parts and man power to this complex. There must be some way we can all come to an agreement?

[Bentus]

Perhaps by creating a committee made up of engineers selected as representatives from each of the member-nations to design and administrate this project, we can ensure that all of us can have a say in both its construction, development and maintenance.

Bentus would also like to put forward the idea of perhaps having an independent arm of the GRF to administer security and policing in the area. This would ensure no single power would hold ultimate sway - even the hosts themselves. Although we admit that we expect heavy resistance to this proposal.

[Red Talons]

The Technocracy will support this action, and simultaneously propose another.

We currently hold four systems with open boarders. One located in each 'quadrant' of the galaxy. In each of these systems is a station already purposed for cultural interaction, development and trade. We propose that these stations be utilized for the use of all but one function. "b. The Starbase be used as deployment and staging area for the GESO Response Force;" This will not be allowed, however, we are capable of providing an alternative staging point should our proposal find favor.

[Tellus Mater]

Perhaps by creating a committee made up of engineers selected as representatives from each of the member-nations to design and administrate this project, we can ensure that all of us can have a say in both its construction, development and maintenance.

Bentus would also like to put forward the idea of perhaps having an independent arm of the GRF to administer security and policing in the area. This would ensure no single power would hold ultimate sway - even the hosts themselves. Although we admit that we expect heavy resistance to this proposal.

The Tellan nation sees no reason to object to the formation of a committee nor to the development and use of an independent arm of the GRF to provide policing to the station.

[Hobbeebia]

Perhaps by creating a committee made up of engineers selected as representatives from each of the member-nations to design and administrate this project, we can ensure that all of us can have a say in both its construction, development and maintenance.

Bentus would also like to put forward the idea of perhaps having an independent arm of the GRF to administer security and policing in the area. This would ensure no single power would hold ultimate sway - even the hosts themselves. Although we admit that we expect heavy resistance to this proposal.

This Imperium is in agreement with the Bentus delegation in regards to policing and governing of the station. Such duties should be handled by the appropriate GRF authorities should they exist, and should be created and developed should they not. We also propose that in the event that racial bias be a concern even in the policing abilities of the GRF that Drones be used as the common 'foot soldier' of the GRF policing force on the station to ensure no such event occur. To ensure that cold logic does not become to de facto path, upper management should be manned by living, sentient beings either organic or inorganic. In Laymans terms the Drones should be V.I. while the upper should be actual or artificial intelligence with quantum consensus computing capabilities.

All measures as stated are to ensure that no one GESO member has to much influence upon the policy and enforcement procedures on the station. Upon the acceptance of this proposal it is also proposed that only overarching Law be Permanent Law and all others created in the light and spirit of the GESO charter which should and will be fair and open to all cases regardless of membership or position.

[Bentus]

This Imperium is in agreement with the Bentus delegation in regards to policing and governing of the station. Such duties should be handled by the appropriate GRF authorities should they exist, and should be created and developed should they not. We also propose that in the event that racial bias be a concern even in the policing abilities of the GRF that Drones be used as the common 'foot soldier' of the GRF policing force on the station to ensure no such event occur. To ensure that cold logic does not become to de facto path, upper management should be manned by living, sentient beings either organic or inorganic. In Laymans terms the Drones should be V.I. while the upper should be actual or artificial intelligence with quantum consensus computing capabilities.

All measures as stated are to ensure that no one GESO member has to much influence upon the policy and enforcement procedures on the station. Upon the acceptance of this proposal it is also proposed that only overarching Law be Permanent Law and all others created in the light and spirit of the GESO charter which should and will be fair and open to all cases regardless of membership or position.

We support this motion entirely, although perhaps with a point to include some organics in the open, so as not to discourage those visitors who may not be as used to interactions with synthetic beings - especially in positions of authority.

[The Fedral Union]

The Terran Alliance would support such a measure, however we would like to point out there is room for debate.

[Bentus]

Following the discussion, the Commonwealth of Bentus puts forward this amended proposal.

The Galactic Economic and Security Organization,

Desiring further co-operation and contact with non-alliance state actors,
Recognising the need for neutral GESO territory where all the member-states are on equal footing,
Noting the safety record and potential economic benefits of orbiting deep-space structures,

1. Authorizes the construction of a GESO Starbase with funds garnered from member-states,

a. To be assembled on the boundary of Gaian Ascendencey space;
b. To be designed and engineered by a committee formed of experts selected by the alliance members;

. States that,

a. GESO member-states subsidised private commercial activities within the Starbase, so as to encourage further co-operation between their private sectors;
b. The Starbase be used as deployment and staging area for the GESO Response Force;
c. All necessary measures be put in place to ensure that the Starbase can defend itself against any and all potential attacks with hostile intent;
d. The Starbase be open to all member-states for the purposes of scientific research and commercial development;

3. Declares that an independent arm of the GRF shall be created to act as a policing force for the Starbase with the following jurisdiction,

a. The maintaining of peace and order within the confines of the station and its immediate vicinity;
b. The enforcement of customs checks and the imposing of travel restrictions to and from the structure;
c. The investigating of criminal activities within the station and its immediate vicinity;
d. The trial and punishment of criminals who commit their crimes within the station and its immediate vicinity;
e. The granting of visas to any and all visitors or residents of the station and its vicinity;
f. NOT the creation of laws and/or separate legal systems to those of GESO;
g. NOT the pursuit of criminals beyond the station’s confines or its immediate vicinity;

4. Insistes that this independent arm is primarily staffed with V.I drones, with sentient A.I and organics in the upper echelons,

a)But must maintain an organic presence so as to better relate to species and factions with less experience interacting with synthetics.

Henceforth authorises he construction of a joint GESO Starbase.

If no-one's against this, I'll put it up in the next day or so.

[Tellus Mater]

The Council of Sages having reviewed the context of the amended action again votes in favor of its passing.

[The Fedral Union]

As long as we said before it is within the confines of the milky-way we have no issue.

[Gaian Ascendancy]

We honor the proposal draft, with high praise. We also denote first, to the objections of The United Dominion. We answer to that one, first, that usage of the ZPC Unit, would not be utilized as a weapon against any member. (We anticipate civilized conduct, given this as a nigh mandate of the GESO anyway. We'd mirror the same, without fail. Second, we state to the 'ownership' vector, for the nature of the Power Core's Hikari Seed Avatar, as a sentient being, in their own right. As far as Gaian Law goes, a Seed 'is' the owner of their own Core. One would expect no less, of a dwelling, owned in a similar fashion. We assure you, on meeting the Avatar, you'll come to understand why, we commit to this stance. (It's all honestly easier to witness, than to explain of such, in mere holo-text.)

As to wants to learn how to conduct construction operations, we offer that we put in place, a central control spire, (about the standard size, of a Starfleet Federation Type 1 Starbase Dock, the upper and lower saucer dock sectors, can be included, if wished.) From that, individual nations can construct onto the station, as they please, given that some cooperation with Gaian host personnel, is expected, as to help ascertain bio-sphere needs, power converter requirements, communication array configurations, and so on. Interlink tunnel needs to allied sectors, would be a part of the process, and there can be help in making such mergers, artistic, between allied sectors. If further independence is wished for, a Station Complex design, can be implemented, for coordination, as well as for those that wish for more truly independent tastes.

The Station, if still agreed to to be on the Border of Ascendancy space, would be preferred to be at the Tarsii Garlind System. We have a project there ongoing, (one that takes things off topic, but will elaborate here for simplicity.) The system is an artificial matrix system, meant to be a gravitational barycenter of an intergalactic such said scale. One meant for our systems of Boson JumpGates to be able to interlink between the Four Realms various intergalactic holdings, between the Milky Way Core Galaxy, and the Jurai Ascendancy, Twilight Ascendancy and Core Ascendancy Realms. The holdings are sporadic through several Superclusters, described better in our factbook. The primary point here, the Tarsii-G System is centered on the controlled placement of up to one hundred pre constructed planets, (50 in set concentric 'ring orbits', one set of the horizontal orbital plane, the other vertical.) Twin Ring Worlds are being constructed in progress, in mirrored orbit of each planetary orbit chain, all focused around a single, Hikari Net infused Star of a stabilized Type A White Super-giant. A collector 'dyson sphere construct pattern' of thousands of comptroller controlled bit-fusion nodes, at 1 AU from the Star (and it's controlling SubStations,) along with many various control Station and Primer Device methods, including Hikari Tree Platforms, that relay to the eventual comptroller planets and Overseer stations, that then coordinate to the Boson JumpGate System mentioned, to make stronger tunneling links, to reach prior said intergalactic holdings, primarily for civilian and commerce traffic, on our part. (Such meant for even minor shuttle and even civilian StarConveyance craft (star cars, as it's been described as, boorishly by some in former Antara,) to allow traffic, literally from one end of the universe, to another, with style. Various StarBases and star-structures ( set from the 1 AU to 2.5 AU System primary diameter,) host all other imaginable needs of the Gaian Landsdrad, including even stay-over SpaceHotels and privacy suites, and so on, and so forth. It all is in essence, a giant aeroport, in the end here.)

The main point of that spiel... our border currently is set between the MWCG-Norman Arm, spread to the Sagittarius and Scutum-Centaurus Arms, most of which is under the Ascendance Protocol currently. The choice of Tarsii-G considered unknown future alliances, at the engagement of Plan Alpha expansion, and the need of a Boson SuperGate System, such described above. All such considering future allies are not prepared for outright Ascension, at this time likely, (our version anyway,) as turning friends into short lived suns of genius level capability, that would flare out quite quickly, would be bad for maintaining alliances. As such, Tarsii-G lies outside the Ascendance Zone. Those civilizations that cannot reach our space easily, can have Boson Gates interlinked 'to' Tarsii-G, from their chosen control points of choice. Those that can reach, can be directed to a intra-System traffic system, currently being installed, in the same system. (Such would be required anyway. Only thirty-seven planets are in Folded place so far, half of those are still undergoing mantle sublimation and stabilizing for Magneto field and Hikari Field stabilization, with their graviton controlled barycenters. This all doesn't include the dozens of Lunars being also emplaced, to stabilize the orbital formations, further. As a result, gravitational fluxes are common, but not too hazardous. However inter-jumps would be gravitationally affected, hence the said traffic controls to prevent any collisions from Free Jumps. (It's a busy place for us in there, at present.)

Again, the point... a central location that 'is' secure, and as such, maintained of neutrality status, for allied parties to emplace whatever their leaders desire. The GESO station (or complex as per same offer,) would be then yours to do with, as wished, constructed as wished, with easy, controlled access for any member state, at any time. Period. The central core spire would be of the added function of coordinating any further needs with Republic Starfleet Command, and otherwise, just maintain the station of optimum efficiency.

As to the offer of a 'Space Police Force', you all just read from the Ascendancy Guardianship playbook. It was the usual standard hoped for measure, of a organizational force, for said protection of an independent nature, that could take control of responsibilities of this nature, freeing Ascendancy resources to concentrate on extra-galactic and pan-galactic affairs. As such, the Tarsii-G System could also be your host 'capital' system for this endeavor, with branch 'offices' for each member state. (The GESO in this case.) An academy could be recommended here as well, as well as all needed extra support, that the Ascendancy can provide, as wished. (Such in conjunction with GESO assets, of course.) Neutrality would be assured, outside of Ascendancy affairs, as member states deem fit. As also such, with given time, the GESO accord members would likely as a result of this organizational endeavor, become equal controlling members of the Tarsii-G System, to do with as wished.

If this all is poppy-flutter to document, do be assured this all is standard Gaian practice, for when we were once of the Guardianship, of Antara Dimension. Trust is the foundation we build upon, moreso of that needed trust here and now, of Alpha Dimension, for us. We assure you, this all isn't fallacy. None of it. react to this, as wished for, the offers all still stand.

We as such, recognize the document draft, as such currently stands.

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((OC - and hence my lil offering from the IIRC discussions, strikes. Gawk and get mad, all you will. ))

[The Fedral Union]

Well , for now we will deffer the floor to any other members; but I think we can all agree at least /where/ the station will be built.. Perhaps in one of the upper quadrants, let the Talonian government host it. This is our stance, how its built and what components there will be, that's up for debate.

[Bentus]

The Proposal for the GESO Starbase has been added to the passed resolutions as it stands due to the majority of the members voting in favour. However, changes may be made to certain aspects as the alliance may decide to alter the design of the Starbase during construction.

[The United Remnants of America]

GRF..... Hmmm.... Can I join?

[Bentus]

GRF..... Hmmm.... Can I join?

GRF Go for it. This thread is open to all GESO members anyway though, more of a negotiation, debate and declarations area

[The United Dominion]

We honor the proposal draft, with high praise. We also denote first, to the objections of The United Dominion. We answer to that one, first, that usage of the ZPC Unit, would not be utilized as a weapon against any member. (We anticipate civilized conduct, given this as a nigh mandate of the GESO anyway. We'd mirror the same, without fail. Second, we state to the 'ownership' vector, for the nature of the Power Core's Hikari Seed Avatar, as a sentient being, in their own right. As far as Gaian Law goes, a Seed 'is' the owner of their own Core. One would expect no less, of a dwelling, owned in a similar fashion. We assure you, on meeting the Avatar, you'll come to understand why, we commit to this stance. (It's all honestly easier to witness, than to explain of such, in mere holo-text.)

The United Dominion has no fear of usage of this unit as a weapon. We do, however, sincerely doubt the nature of the arrangement as suggested. Let us not discuss the inherent instabilities of sentient life (physical, emotional...) and focus on the fact that Gaian law is not Dominion nor ixee nor GESO. From our perspective, your statements are incorrect. If you donate a house to your community for its full usage for the betterment of the community, then you have signed the rights to that house away to them. If the military asks to use your home as headquarters and you agree, then you do not get to maintain control of the household and tell the commanding officials what to do. In this same respect, it matters little what this Seed's "ownership" is because it is volunteering its dwelling for another use. The group's requirements can and should override the individual's petty wants, or it should not volunteer its time and property to the group to begin with.

We sincerely doubt that meeting the Avatar will change our official stance on this.

If the Gaian power source cannot be equally accessible, then it should not be used. The United Dominion will provide a stable, non-living power source that does not require its own emotional space and has no sense of property (and therefore no potential will to defend itself or in any way act on a rogue manner). This power source will be accessible by parties of appropriate clearance no matter nationality.

[Neornith]

The Consortium seconds the motion of the Dominion

[Tellus Mater]

In hindsight review as does the Tellan Empire come into concurrence with the Dominion and the Consortium.

[Bentus]

Bentus has come to the conclusion that the replacement of the advanced Gaian power source would solve a number of issues facing the proposal, and thus would present the best course of action. Whilst it may be possible that the replacement power supply will not be as powerful or effective, the benefits of full access and co-operation for all GESO members would outweigh these disadvantages.

[Tellus Mater]

Bentus has come to the conclusion that the replacement of the advanced Gaian power source would solve a number of issues facing the proposal, and thus would present the best course of action. Whilst it may be possible that the replacement power supply will not be as powerful or effective, the benefits of full access and co-operation for all GESO members would outweigh these disadvantages.

The Tellan Empire is more than willing to provide a power source for any space station free of charge without complex need to care for to the use of the GESO without recourse or need for repayment, or special conditions, if the remainder of the organization finds this to be preferable of course.

[Neornith]

The Consortium puts forth the idea, we concur with the one aspect of the Gaian proposal in the each member construct its own housing and diplomatic area, however in the spirit of cooperation between the various nations, each member is tasked with the construction of an additional component of the space station, after a breakdown of what is required is listed each member can list their area of expertise and put forth their name into the construction of that component and after a review by other members begin construction, this will however require a team of designers to coordinate and ensure that the different parts are compatible with other nations components. The Consortium feels this is the best way to fast track the construction of the station.