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YoriZ
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Invasion in Anarchy

Postby YoriZ » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:11 am

A week ago, The Black Riders invaded Anarchy and tagged the region.

Natives of Anarchy are resisting the occupation and asked for help from known defenders.

Actions of irritated natives lead to the puppetspamming incident.

From today, the raiders WA Delegate Duck-Boss started ejecting native nations from the region. The first victim is the nation of Magnox.

Any help would be appreciated. Most of the natives experience the occupation as griefing and some of us fear the destruction of our founderless home.

Kind regards,

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:02 pm

Welcome to R/D, Yoriz.

The best you can hope for is defenders jump to the region en mass and take it back from us, or that we get bored on move on (like we did with SPACE).

By the way, your puppetspamming was ridiculous, I'm glad you were warned for it, and it's sad that you tried to justify it in that link posted. Raiding is an allowed part of gameplay. Puppet-spam ain't.
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Postby Alyekra » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:31 pm

Anarchy? Again? Seriously guys? You just want to do that whole thing over again?
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Postby Undivulged Principles » Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:30 pm

Raiding is an accepted form of griefing and a foundation of gameplay. Puppet-spam has never been an accepted form of griefing in NS


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Postby Anumia » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:25 pm

Griefing had an in-game legal meaning. It no longer does. Stop using it like it still does.

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Postby Endless Blue Skies » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:45 am

I would be fine with the invasion if they didn't start ejecting people. It sparked quite a lot of activity.

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Postby Natapoc » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:42 am

Endless Blue Skies wrote:I would be fine with the invasion if they didn't start ejecting people. It sparked quite a lot of activity.


And the telegram spam threats. I don't like having my mailbox full of threats to endorse the delegate or else!
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Postby Coraxion » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:13 am

...and you bite the dust when you get some TGs? Awww... :kiss:

If (or when it seems) whole region is full of these kind of 'anarchists', its really deserve to be Raided.

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Postby Anime Daisuki » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:26 am

Coraxion wrote:...and you bite the dust when you get some TGs? Awww... :kiss:

If (or when it seems) whole region is full of these kind of 'anarchists', its really deserve to be Raided.


What's wrong with Anarchists? My nation's an anarchy
o.o

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Postby Kyuji » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:31 am

Natapoc wrote:
Endless Blue Skies wrote:I would be fine with the invasion if they didn't start ejecting people. It sparked quite a lot of activity.


And the telegram spam threats. I don't like having my mailbox full of threats to endorse the delegate or else!

Arents threats against the rules?
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Postby Coraxion » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:56 am

Threats like "endorse the delegate or else!" via TGs cannot be illegal if you can do that on the RMB... or without sending any TGs to anyone or writing any RMB comments to any RMB.

Accusations concerning illegal threats (TG or RMB) should be directed to Moderation.

Anime Daisuki wrote:What's wrong with Anarchists? My nation's an anarchy
o.o


Nothing. Anarchies are Cool. 'Anarchists' behind what ever nation (anarchy or not) doesn't necessarily be that. :unsure:
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Postby Feuer Ritter » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:04 am

Coraxion wrote:Threats like "endorse the delegate or else!" via TGs cannot be illegal if you can do that on the RMB... or without sending any TGs to anyone or writing any RMB comments to any RMB.

Accusations concerning illegal threats (TG or RMB) should be directed to Moderation.

Anime Daisuki wrote:What's wrong with Anarchists? My nation's an anarchy
o.o


Nothing. Anarchies are Cool. 'Anarchists' behind what ever nation (anarchy or not) doesn't necessarily be that. :unsure:


Don't reveal our tactics of intimidation to the public rider Coraxion :p

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Postby Coraxion » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:22 am

Feuer Ritter wrote:Don't reveal our tactics of intimidation to the public rider Coraxion :p


Sorry Feuer. Dammit, Is it that Obvious? I just tried recruit few Anarchs to do something useful. :p

Cool and Useful Anarchs In The Black Riders
- Create nation. Set government to 'Anarchic'. Do not make any choices when determining your nation's government.
- Make 30-50 other anarchies and move them to Nugut. Apply them all to WA using same E-mail address.
- Move your Speaker anarchy to The Black Riders and your current WA-Anarchy to Anarchy. Endorse rather anarchic WAD Duck-Boss.
- You find eventually your own anarchic way the join to TBR Anarchy on The Anarchist WFE of The Black Riders
- Follow instructions and Be The Real Anarch!

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Postby Natapoc » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:53 am

Coraxion wrote:...and you bite the dust when you get some TGs? Awww... :kiss:

If (or when it seems) whole region is full of these kind of 'anarchists', its really deserve to be Raided.


Could someone translate this?
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Postby The North Polish Union » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:06 am

Kyuji wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
And the telegram spam threats. I don't like having my mailbox full of threats to endorse the delegate or else!

Arents threats against the rules?

Its very common practice for raiders to send out regionwide TGs telling all WA nations to endorse them or risk ejection. Its not a threat; its a security measure.
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Postby Kyuji » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:13 am

The North Polish Union wrote:
Kyuji wrote:Arents threats against the rules?

Its very common practice for raiders to send out regionwide TGs telling all WA nations to endorse them or risk ejection. Its not a threat; its a security measure.

Considering that the region is often changed beyond repair , its a mortons fork , and a false choice
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:47 am

Natapoc wrote:
Coraxion wrote:...and you bite the dust when you get some TGs? Awww... :kiss:

If (or when it seems) whole region is full of these kind of 'anarchists', its really deserve to be Raided.


Could someone translate this?


Just going to point out that Coraxion is Finnish and he's trying his best with English.
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Postby Kyuji » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:50 am

Natapoc wrote:
Coraxion wrote:...and you bite the dust when you get some TGs? Awww... :kiss:

If (or when it seems) whole region is full of these kind of 'anarchists', its really deserve to be Raided.


Could someone translate this?

Hes saying that anarchists are evil (he views anarchy as meaning chaos ) , and that they dont deserve a region (because anarchy =chaos =evil)
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Postby Feuer Ritter » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:02 am

Kyuji wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Could someone translate this?

Hes saying that anarchists are evil (he views anarchy as meaning chaos ) , and that they dont deserve a region (because anarchy =chaos =evil)


Anarchy is not evil, it's a chaos from which evil things happen.

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Postby Kyuji » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:05 am

Feuer Ritter wrote:
Kyuji wrote:Hes saying that anarchists are evil (he views anarchy as meaning chaos ) , and that they dont deserve a region (because anarchy =chaos =evil)


Anarchy is not evil, it's a chaos from which evil things happen.

:palm: anarchy is simply a country without a goverment , anarchists believe that people are good , but that goverment is bad .
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Postby Alyekra » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:08 am

Feuer Ritter wrote:
Kyuji wrote:Hes saying that anarchists are evil (he views anarchy as meaning chaos ) , and that they dont deserve a region (because anarchy =chaos =evil)


Anarchy is not evil, it's a chaos from which evil things happen.


No geographically-based monopoly on violence =/= Chaos.
(FOR LEGAL REASONS, THAT'S A JOKE)

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Postby Port blood » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:05 pm

Just wondering:


Any proof the invading force "puppetspammed"? or that they "flamed"?
Keep in mind "puppetspam" means creating puppets for the purpose of spamming,and that raiding does not count as flaming under gamerules
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Postby Coraxion » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:05 pm

Koth. I'm Finnish and someone else is from somewhere else. That is totally irrelevant thing. Our Task is Obliterate Defenderdom, whatever it takes, but not transforming to the Fendas ourselves when doing so.

Cynical Mom-F*'s never do that. If Fendas defend Philosophy of Defending by expanding its level of transcendense, We will break non-existent rules of Raiding by expanding its quality and quantity, in practice... It's the Spirit.

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Postby Undivulged Principles » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:06 pm

Kyuji wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
And the telegram spam threats. I don't like having my mailbox full of threats to endorse the delegate or else!

Arents threats against the rules?


Most rules regarding griefing and threats don't correspond to the raiding game in NS. It is quite different outside of raiding but since t was there from the beginning the devs certainly aren't going to change things. Introducing things like regional influence certainly slowed things down a bit and limits activities more peripherally except when raiders ban together but it ain't going away any time soon.

If you initiate hostile action or coerce another because they do or do not do something you wish then you are threatening someone. It doesn't matter how nice you say it or whether it is condoned. It is still a threat. The same applies to griefing. It may be legal for raiders to grief but if you think raiding regions monthly just to destroy a WFE, tags, RMB and embassies that is griefing. Sorry to disturb your little world but that is the fact of the matter.

Since these are the rules and raiding is legal people shouldn't whine about it. But don't pretend it isn't. That's even more childish than current raider tactics.
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