Liberation war of Bulgaria ( MT, OOC CLOSED!)

[Inyourfaceistan]

"So I make the claim that the 2003 Iraq War was based on a hunch, so it wouldn't be beyond the norm for my nation to act on a hunch and you bring up the barely related tangent that America may or may not have had a hand to play in Saddam's use of chemical weapons, and that somehow defeats my point?"

Open a history book.

Way to address my point instead of making a dumb reply that still has nothing to do with my point...

Was it an excuse? I guess kind of, besides the fact that the OP accidentally gave me bad intelligence because someone decided to return from inactivity (EC).

He didn't give you any bad intel that you couldn't have looked up yourself. Also, EC's return had nothing to do with it.

And I didn't make any false equivalences. You did. That's all I pointed out.

Really? Where did I make a false equivalence?

[Firmador]

1. Way to address my point instead of making a dumb reply that still has nothing to do with my point...

2. He didn't give you any bad intel that you couldn't have looked up yourself. Also, EC's return had nothing to do with it.

1. Yes, because Reading doesn't fix Ignorance.

2. Now you're just lying, lmao, not to be unexpected. Whatever, I'll wait for Bulgar if he wants my OOC help TG or not.

[Inyourfaceistan]

1. Way to address my point instead of making a dumb reply that still has nothing to do with my point...

2. He didn't give you any bad intel that you couldn't have looked up yourself. Also, EC's return had nothing to do with it.

1. Yes, because Reading doesn't fix Ignorance.

Because any of the replies that you gave me about your barely-related tangent have anything to do about what said barely-related tanget has to do with me still being able to justify a nuclear attack against a fortified series of defenses following a suspect biological warfare attack on innocents.

2. Now you're just lying, lmao, not to be unexpected. Whatever, I'll wait for Bulgar if he wants my OOC help TG or not.

It's not a lie, you just refuse to admit your wrong about anything.

What does EC returning or not have to do with the fact that I had already RP'ed a drone flying towards the area in Greece your movement supposedly came through?

What did Bulgaria say that was "bad intel"???

[Firmador]

1. Yes, because Reading doesn't fix Ignorance.

Because any of the replies that you gave me about your barely-related tangent have anything to do about what said barely-related tanget has to do with me still being able to justify a nuclear attack against a fortified series of defenses following a suspect biological warfare attack on innocents.

And read a goddamn book, seriously man. I'm not making fun of you, the answers to your questions (The Iran and Iraq areas) are in Books. I've answered adequately, you inadequately responded with a money laundering scheme that had nothing, if anything, to do with Iraq besides making them consider us 'Double-Dealing Middlemen of Satan'.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Also I checked with the military realism consultation thread and they said firing an ARM would do nothing to make an AIM-120 miss...

[Inyourfaceistan]

Because any of the replies that you gave me about your barely-related tangent have anything to do about what said barely-related tanget has to do with me still being able to justify a nuclear attack against a fortified series of defenses following a suspect biological warfare attack on innocents.

1. Bolded.

Great. So what does the bolded have to do with your tangent that America wanted Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iran?

[Firmador]

Also I checked with the military realism consultation thread and they said firing an ARM would do nothing to make an AIM-120 miss...

I see you misrepresented my argument.

I'll take care of that.

[Firmador]

"AIM-9X happens to be one of the very missiles he's referring to as being immune to flares."

Well that's incorrect.

I was referring to AIM-9s, not the modernised AIM-9X.

[Firmador]

1. Bolded.

Great. So what does the bolded have to do with your tangent that America wanted Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iran?

*Sigh*

Listen, there's much more to it than what I'm posting.

But this should help fix the confusion to US Gov't has shoved down your throat on the conflict.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... vis-hanson

[Inyourfaceistan]

Great. So what does the bolded have to do with your tangent that America wanted Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iran?

*Sigh*

Listen, there's much more to it than what I'm posting.

But this should help fix the confusion to US Gov't has shoved down your throat on the conflict.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... vis-hanson

Once again, what the hell does this have to do with my point?

[Firmador]

*Sigh*

Listen, there's much more to it than what I'm posting.

But this should help fix the confusion to US Gov't has shoved down your throat on the conflict.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... vis-hanson

Once again, what the hell does this have to do with my point?

Well *this* article doesn't really have anything to do with your point besides the entire basis of it.

But, whatever. I didn't expect it to hold.

It's more, because I know you're an American and you should consider it your patriotic duty, on the actual reason we invaded Iraq.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Once again, what the hell does this have to do with my point?

Well *this* article doesn't really have anything to do with your point besides the entire basis of it.

But, whatever. I didn't expect it to hold.

It's more, because I know you're an American and you should consider it your patriotic duty, on the actual reason we invaded Iraq.

Actually, if anything it further proves my point.

So what your saying is that my point of using a hunch as justification for an escalation of violence of some sort using Iraq as an example is null and void because said hunch was simply what was pitched to the civilian government just to get them to approve of plans for which the military-industrial complex had other reasons.

Therefore nullifying my argument that it would make sense for my military to use a hunch as justification for escalation of violence (use of nuclear earth-penetrating weapons) to get my civilian government to approve of plans for which my military commanders had other reasons?

[Firmador]

Well *this* article doesn't really have anything to do with your point besides the entire basis of it.

But, whatever. I didn't expect it to hold.

It's more, because I know you're an American and you should consider it your patriotic duty, on the actual reason we invaded Iraq.

Actually, if anything it further proves my point.

So what your saying is that my point of using a hunch as justification for an escalation of violence of some sort using Iraq as an example is null and void because said hunch was simply what was pitched to the civilian government just to get them to approve of plans for which the military-industrial complex had other reasons.

Therefore nullifying my argument that it would make sense for my military to use a hunch as justification for escalation of violence (use of nuclear earth-penetrating weapons) to get my civilian government to approve of plans for which my military commanders had other reasons?

And I covered this a WHILE ago.

You can just Lie.

But I mean obviously if you launch NUCLEAR WEAPONs on a hunch, I could just nuke you. And it wouldn't be hard for my entire region to nuke you.

I'd be setting a bad president to let some random noob launch nuclear weapons 'on a hunch'.

So Invasion < MAD

[Inyourfaceistan]

Actually, if anything it further proves my point.

So what your saying is that my point of using a hunch as justification for an escalation of violence of some sort using Iraq as an example is null and void because said hunch was simply what was pitched to the civilian government just to get them to approve of plans for which the military-industrial complex had other reasons.

Therefore nullifying my argument that it would make sense for my military to use a hunch as justification for escalation of violence (use of nuclear earth-penetrating weapons) to get my civilian government to approve of plans for which my military commanders had other reasons?

And I covered this a WHILE ago.

You can just Lie.

It's not a lie. It's a hunch/suspicion. More realistically referred to as a bet.

But I mean obviously if you launch NUCLEAR WEAPONs on a hunch, I could just nuke you. And it wouldn't be hard for my entire region to nuke you.

Oh wow. Always the big man, gotta bring in his region friends!

Also, which do you think people would care about more, tens of thousands innocents dropping dead while coughing up blood in the streets or a few dozen rocket artillery who's mountain caved in on them and now can't use it because of the limited radiation after effects?

I'd be setting a bad president to let some random noob launch nuclear weapons 'on a hunch'.

Wow. Wow. Just wow. The fact that you even... Wow. Just wow...

I don't even know why I bother taking seriously anybody who would use that word as such...

[Firmador]

And I covered this a WHILE ago.

You can just Lie.

It's not a lie. It's a hunch/suspicion. More realistically referred to as a bet.

But I mean obviously if you launch NUCLEAR WEAPONs on a hunch, I could just nuke you. And it wouldn't be hard for my entire region to nuke you.

Oh wow. Always the big man, gotta bring in his region friends!

Also, which do you think people would care about more, tens of thousands innocents dropping dead while coughing up blood in the streets or a few dozen rocket artillery who's mountain caved in on them and now can't use it because of the limited radiation after effects?

I'd be setting a bad president to let some random noob launch nuclear weapons 'on a hunch'.

Wow. Wow. Just wow. The fact that you even... Wow. Just wow...

I don't even know why I bother taking seriously anybody who would use that word as such...

Yes, grammer mistakes because I don't care enough to double check. BRAVO, Checkmate ole' chap!

"Also, which do you think people would care about more, tens of thousands innocents dropping dead while coughing up blood in the streets or a few dozen rocket artillery who's mountain caved in on them and now can't use it because of the limited radiation after effects?"

The nuke. Obviously. What kind of question is that?

"Oh wow. Always the big man, gotta bring in his region friends!"

Yes, because Nuking someone is so difficult and not just about pressing a button.

Biological attacks can be great for an RP.

Nuclear weapons are very rarely good for an RP.

"It's not a lie. It's a hunch/suspicion. More realistically referred to as a bet."

No, you're saying someone did something that you have no idea if they did it.

You're stating it as fact, then acting on it as fact. That's Meta in a sense, but really it's just a Lie.

I mean, if you want to Lie, go ahead. I Lie all the time in my RPs. (I actually love deception in RPs, blue-on-blue hits, triple secret agents, etc) I just don't do it to noobishly justify nukes, is all. That's literally my only problem with the Lie lol.

Why not just wait to actually confirm it, reasonably rule out most suspect actors and then retaliate in kind with your own biological weapons? Sure it takes months, but that's part of the fun.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Yes, grammer mistakes because I don't care enough to double check. BRAVO, Checkmate ole' chap!

What?

Yes, because Nuking someone is so difficult and not just about pressing a button.

Gee, Mr.Icanseeurstealthdronewithnonexistantradars you think penetrating enemy airspace and delivering 1 - 4 guided munitions onto a given target (which has already had a fair share of recon done over it) is as easy as "pressing a button"?

Biological attacks can be great for an RP.

Nuclear weapons are very rarely good for an RP.

What difference does it make?

Either one must be carefully used and often require input from both sides, just as either one can be used immaturely and without rhyme or reason.

"It's not a lie. It's a hunch/suspicion. More realistically referred to as a bet."

No, you're saying someone MIGHT HAVE did something that you have no idea if they did it.

You're stating it as LIKELY, then acting on it FOR OTHER REASONS. That's Meta in a sense, but really it's just a Lie.

Corrected.

Why not just wait to actually confirm it, reasonably rule out most suspect actors and then retaliate in kind with your own biological weapons? Sure it takes months, but that's part of the fun.

Why would I do that?
If I used a biological weapon it would likely spread to his people and cause more civilian casualties than anyone involved with my command is willing to allow for, chances are the pathogen might not even penetrate his subterranean base, and there is always a chance it might back fire and spread back into Greece causing even more casualties.

OR

I could blow down two or three mountains, effectively taking out a large portion of his MLRS assests and disrupting the operations of others while killing probably less than a hundred innocents who were unlikely enough to have houses right on top of an NPLA stronghold.

Which sounds like the better option to you?

[Firmador]

Why not just wait to actually confirm it, reasonably rule out most suspect actors and then retaliate in kind with your own biological weapons? Sure it takes months, but that's part of the fun.

Why would I do that?
If I used a biological weapon it would likely spread to his people and cause more civilian casualties than anyone involved with my command is willing to allow for, chances are the pathogen might not even penetrate his subterranean base, and there is always a chance it might back fire and spread back into Greece causing even more casualties.

OR

I could blow down two or three mountains, effectively taking out a large portion of his MLRS assests and disrupting the operations of others while killing probably less than a hundred innocents who were unlikely enough to have houses right on top of an NPLA stronghold.

Which sounds like the better option to you?

If I used a biological weapon it would likely spread to his people and cause more civilian casualties than anyone involved with my command is willing to allow for, chances are the pathogen might not even penetrate his subterranean base, and there is always a chance it might back fire and spread back into Greece causing even more casualties.

OR

I could blow down two or three mountains, effectively taking out a large portion of his MLRS assests and disrupting the operations of others while killing probably less than a hundred innocents who were unlikely enough to have houses right on top of an NPLA stronghold.

And then my country gets Nuked to Kingdom come.

Which sounds like the better option to you?

The one where your people don't get glassed seems better

[Inyourfaceistan]

Why would I do that?
If I used a biological weapon it would likely spread to his people and cause more civilian casualties than anyone involved with my command is willing to allow for, chances are the pathogen might not even penetrate his subterranean base, and there is always a chance it might back fire and spread back into Greece causing even more casualties.

OR

I could blow down two or three mountains, effectively taking out a large portion of his MLRS assests and disrupting the operations of others while killing probably less than a hundred innocents who were unlikely enough to have houses right on top of an NPLA stronghold.

Which sounds like the better option to you?

If I used a biological weapon it would likely spread to his people and cause more civilian casualties than anyone involved with my command is willing to allow for, chances are the pathogen might not even penetrate his subterranean base, and there is always a chance it might back fire and spread back into Greece causing even more casualties.

OR

I could blow down two or three mountains, effectively taking out a large portion of his MLRS assests and disrupting the operations of others while killing probably less than a hundred innocents who were unlikely enough to have houses right on top of an NPLA stronghold.

And then my country gets Nuked to Kingdom come.

Which sounds like the better option to you?

The one where your people don't get glassed seems better

And then you subsequently get glassed by all my allies and anyone with even a drop of morality in their system for killing insane numbers of civilians for no fucking reason other than because OOC you just have major ego problems.

[Firmador]

If I used a biological weapon it would likely spread to his people and cause more civilian casualties than anyone involved with my command is willing to allow for, chances are the pathogen might not even penetrate his subterranean base, and there is always a chance it might back fire and spread back into Greece causing even more casualties.

OR

I could blow down two or three mountains, effectively taking out a large portion of his MLRS assests and disrupting the operations of others while killing probably less than a hundred innocents who were unlikely enough to have houses right on top of an NPLA stronghold.

And then my country gets Nuked to Kingdom come.

Which sounds like the better option to you?

The one where your people don't get glassed seems better

And then you subsequently get glassed by all my allies and anyone with even a drop of morality i their for killing insane numbers of civilians for no fucking reason other than because OOC you just have major ego problems.

And someone got all pissy with me for bringing in meh regionmates, eh

[Inyourfaceistan]

And then you subsequently get glassed by all my allies and anyone with even a drop of morality i their for killing insane numbers of civilians for no fucking reason other than because OOC you just have major ego problems.

And someone got all pissy with me for bringing in meh regionmates, eh

You started it.

[Firmador]

And someone got all pissy with me for bringing in meh regionmates, eh

You started it.

Lmao

[Bulgar Rouge]

I'll keep it running with Tamboko for now, if that's OK.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I'll keep it running with Tamboko for now, if that's OK.

Fine with me.