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Postby Monfrox » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:26 am

The thing is I have a set plan for how I want this to go down.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:27 am

Monfrox wrote:The thing is I have a set plan for how I want this to go down.


Okay.

Am I the only one who's getting a Berlin Wall vibe?

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Do it. You'll be doing me a favor.

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Monfrox wrote:ill shank ur mum outsid tescos

Do it. You'll be doing me a favor.


Wow. Harsh.

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Postby Ardavia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:02 pm

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Monfrox wrote:The thing is I have a set plan for how I want this to go down.


Okay.

Am I the only one who's getting a Berlin Wall vibe?


I'm pretty sure the Berlin Wall and the division of Germany post-WWII was the inspiration for the current situation.

Heck, Lyttonwic has what is essentially a Wall.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:04 pm

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Monfrox wrote:The thing is I have a set plan for how I want this to go down.


Okay.

Am I the only one who's getting a Berlin Wall vibe?

I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear "Cold War" I don't think of spies, diplomats, and missiles. I think of a vast and carefully organized array of Soviet tanks, planes, and IFVs, sitting peacefully in their forts and bunkers but ready to flood across the de-facto border at a moment's notice.

Not that I'm planning to make the first move. I'm just putting that out there.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:05 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Okay.

Am I the only one who's getting a Berlin Wall vibe?

I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear "Cold War" I don't think of spies, diplomats, and missiles. I think of a vast and carefully organized array of Soviet tanks, planes, and IFVs, sitting peacefully in their forts and bunkers but ready to flood across the de-facto border at a moment's notice.

Not that I'm planning to make the first move. I'm just putting that out there.


I'd imagine the U.S doing a similar thing.

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:15 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Okay.

Am I the only one who's getting a Berlin Wall vibe?

I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear "Cold War" I don't think of spies, diplomats, and missiles. I think of a vast and carefully organized array of Soviet tanks, planes, and IFVs, sitting peacefully in their forts and bunkers but ready to flood across the de-facto border at a moment's notice.

Not that I'm planning to make the first move. I'm just putting that out there.

I imagine a circling flotilla of American bombers and dug in NATO members ready to defend their homes.
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Postby Ardavia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:18 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Okay.

Am I the only one who's getting a Berlin Wall vibe?

I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear "Cold War" I don't think of spies, diplomats, and missiles. I think of a vast and carefully organized array of Soviet tanks, planes, and IFVs, sitting peacefully in their forts and bunkers but ready to flood across the de-facto border at a moment's notice.

Not that I'm planning to make the first move. I'm just putting that out there.


We have 80 000 men sitting around in the area around Nuremberg.

Just kidding, they're not sitting around that much. It's practically a warzone there. with all them insurgents running around. :l

Still, we'd be overrun by a full NT attack, since I didn't predict that I'd be bordering a technologically and numerically superior(?) (and belligerent) force from New Tyran.

*prays for the peace to continue*

Also, when thinking of the Cold War, I think of troops digging in to defend their homes. That, and a fuckton of missiles.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:21 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear "Cold War" I don't think of spies, diplomats, and missiles. I think of a vast and carefully organized array of Soviet tanks, planes, and IFVs, sitting peacefully in their forts and bunkers but ready to flood across the de-facto border at a moment's notice.

Not that I'm planning to make the first move. I'm just putting that out there.


I'd imagine the U.S doing a similar thing.

Sure they were. But the Soviets had it down to a science.

At its heart, NATO was a military alliance of countries to make it easier to coordinate a defense. But the Warsaw Pact was a war machine designed to mobilize for massive conventional operations in a matter of hours. Note the organization of forces: on one side, a Danish zone, a Dutch zone, a British zone, a German zone, etc. On the other, three Fronts, each broken into two Combined Arms Armies for assaults, a Tank Army for deep breakthroughs, and an Air Army for fighter/bomber support, with two additional Tank Army Groups in deep reserve. Or the fact that every country in NATO had its own High Command, while East German, Polish, and Czechoslovakian Divisions answered directly to Soviet generals.

(I study this kind of thing in my free time, please forgive my endless rambling)
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:26 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I'd imagine the U.S doing a similar thing.

Sure they were. But the Soviets had it down to a science.

At its heart, NATO was a military alliance of countries to make it easier to coordinate a defense. But the Warsaw Pact was a war machine designed to mobilize for massive conventional operations in a matter of hours. Note the organization of forces: on one side, a Danish zone, a Dutch zone, a British zone, a German zone, etc. On the other, three Fronts, each broken into two Combined Arms Armies for assaults, a Tank Army for deep breakthroughs, and an Air Army for fighter/bomber support, with two additional Tank Army Groups in deep reserve. Or the fact that every country in NATO had its own High Command, while East German, Polish, and Czechoslovakian Divisions answered directly to Soviet generals.

(I study this kind of thing in my free time, please forgive my endless rambling)


Basically it comes down to corrupt capitalist countries vs corrupt communist one's.

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Postby New Tyran » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:27 pm

Ardavia wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:I don't know about anyone else, but when I hear "Cold War" I don't think of spies, diplomats, and missiles. I think of a vast and carefully organized array of Soviet tanks, planes, and IFVs, sitting peacefully in their forts and bunkers but ready to flood across the de-facto border at a moment's notice.

Not that I'm planning to make the first move. I'm just putting that out there.


We have 80 000 men sitting around in the area around Nuremberg.

Just kidding, they're not sitting around that much. It's practically a warzone there. with all them insurgents running around. :l

Still, we'd be overrun by a full NT attack, since I didn't predict that I'd be bordering a technologically and numerically superior(?) (and belligerent) force from New Tyran.

*prays for the peace to continue*

Also, when thinking of the Cold War, I think of troops digging in to defend their homes. That, and a fuckton of missiles.

This insurgent attack is only occurring in and around Phoenix, and there are currently around one hundred or so men defending it.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:28 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:The Cold War?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird

That is the Cold War.

I'm sorry, did you mean...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-95

Nothing says Russia like "we're going to fly a bomber toward your country and see how long it takes you to 'escort' us back home."
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Postby Ardavia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:30 pm

Yay for complex maths problems regarding bullet designs.

This is ridiculously hard. Designing the round itself isn't very hard. Calculating the internal case capacity, the weight of the bullet, the velocity, pressure, etc, is hard.

There are calculators, but it's still complicated.
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Postby Ardavia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:31 pm

New Tyran wrote:
Ardavia wrote:
We have 80 000 men sitting around in the area around Nuremberg.

Just kidding, they're not sitting around that much. It's practically a warzone there. with all them insurgents running around. :l

Still, we'd be overrun by a full NT attack, since I didn't predict that I'd be bordering a technologically and numerically superior(?) (and belligerent) force from New Tyran.

*prays for the peace to continue*

Also, when thinking of the Cold War, I think of troops digging in to defend their homes. That, and a fuckton of missiles.

This insurgent attack is only occurring in and around Phoenix, and there are currently around one hundred or so men defending it.


And you don't have any other forces in your occupied zone? :blink:

If those are the only troops you have, well, *sighs with relief*
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:33 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Sure they were. But the Soviets had it down to a science.

At its heart, NATO was a military alliance of countries to make it easier to coordinate a defense. But the Warsaw Pact was a war machine designed to mobilize for massive conventional operations in a matter of hours. Note the organization of forces: on one side, a Danish zone, a Dutch zone, a British zone, a German zone, etc. On the other, three Fronts, each broken into two Combined Arms Armies for assaults, a Tank Army for deep breakthroughs, and an Air Army for fighter/bomber support, with two additional Tank Army Groups in deep reserve. Or the fact that every country in NATO had its own High Command, while East German, Polish, and Czechoslovakian Divisions answered directly to Soviet generals.

(I study this kind of thing in my free time, please forgive my endless rambling)


Basically it comes down to corrupt capitalist countries vs corrupt communist one's.

Basically, yeah. Especially when you factor in the sort of stuff that went on in proxy states. Contras, Viet Cong, Diem, the Mujahedin...
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:37 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Basically it comes down to corrupt capitalist countries vs corrupt communist one's.

Basically, yeah. Especially when you factor in the sort of stuff that went on in proxy states. Contras, Viet Cong, Diem, the Mujahedin...


America ended up supporting one regime in Vietnam. I don't know much, but a Buddhist monk burned himself to death to protest the regime because it was heavily discriminatory.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:42 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Basically, yeah. Especially when you factor in the sort of stuff that went on in proxy states. Contras, Viet Cong, Diem, the Mujahedin...


America ended up supporting one regime in Vietnam. I don't know much, but a Buddhist monk burned himself to death to protest the regime because it was heavily discriminatory.

Diem's regime went beyond heavy discrimination; Buddhist temples were being razed to the ground, and the monks arrested, tortured, or executed. I recall one quote in which Diem's wife (or sister, or daughter, I can't recall which) watched the assault on one monastery and described it as "the happiest moment in her life."

But then the Viet Cong came along and, er, sought revenge... which wasn't very pretty, either.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:44 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
America ended up supporting one regime in Vietnam. I don't know much, but a Buddhist monk burned himself to death to protest the regime because it was heavily discriminatory.

Diem's regime went beyond heavy discrimination; Buddhist temples were being razed to the ground, and the monks arrested, tortured, or executed. I recall one quote in which Diem's wife (or sister, or daughter, I can't recall which) watched the assault on one monastery and described it as "the happiest moment in her life."

But then the Viet Cong came along and, er, sought revenge... which wasn't very pretty, either.


His sister-in-law also said she would like to see another "monk barbeque."

You're probably referring to his sister-in-law. Diem was a batchelor, and as a result, she was seen as the First Lady of Vietnam.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:47 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Diem's regime went beyond heavy discrimination; Buddhist temples were being razed to the ground, and the monks arrested, tortured, or executed. I recall one quote in which Diem's wife (or sister, or daughter, I can't recall which) watched the assault on one monastery and described it as "the happiest moment in her life."

But then the Viet Cong came along and, er, sought revenge... which wasn't very pretty, either.


His sister-in-law also said she would like to see another "monk barbeque."

You're probably referring to his sister-in-law. Diem was a batchelor, and as a result, she was seen as the First Lady of Vietnam.

That's probably the one I was looking for. I studied this a few years ago, forgot the exact relation.

At any rate, this has sort of turned into a threadjack, so I think I'll drop it here...
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Postby New Tyran » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:48 pm

Ardavia wrote:
New Tyran wrote:This insurgent attack is only occurring in and around Phoenix, and there are currently around one hundred or so men defending it.


And you don't have any other forces in your occupied zone? :blink:

If those are the only troops you have, well, *sighs with relief*

Well, in the entire zone we've got two full battlegroups numbering over 30,000 personal, but they're all stretched out and assigned to defend the city redevelopment construction sites we're putting up. The new airport especially.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:51 pm

New Tyran wrote:
Ardavia wrote:
And you don't have any other forces in your occupied zone? :blink:

If those are the only troops you have, well, *sighs with relief*

Well, in the entire zone we've got two full battlegroups numbering over 30,000 personal, but they're all stretched out and assigned to defend the city redevelopment construction sites we're putting up. The new airport especially.

Question: how strong, exactly, is your power armor? Same for anyone else using power armor in this thread.
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:01 pm

NATO would've won, this is common knowledge.

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:06 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
New Tyran wrote:Well, in the entire zone we've got two full battlegroups numbering over 30,000 personal, but they're all stretched out and assigned to defend the city redevelopment construction sites we're putting up. The new airport especially.

Question: how strong, exactly, is your power armor? Same for anyone else using power armor in this thread.

Power armor is silly.
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