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Tiami
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Postby Tiami » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:05 pm

Avenio wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:Ralk has always been up there as one of the evildoers of RPing, yes. He (and others like, say, Kraven) is, one could say, to evil what Lyras is to military tech.


There's a difference between RP'ing evil and trolling. Ralkovia's thread was almost certainly the latter, and several of the people that ended up getting bans participated in that attempt to troll.

But did all those who participate do it to troll? No. Only a few players, at the most, did it to troll.
I know I did not.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:11 pm

Tiami wrote:
Avenio wrote:
There's a difference between RP'ing evil and trolling. Ralkovia's thread was almost certainly the latter, and several of the people that ended up getting bans participated in that attempt to troll.

But did all those who participate do it to troll? No. Only a few players, at the most, did it to troll.
I know I did not.


No, but you did spam rather heartily. Considering the obvious intent to troll in the OP and throughout the thread, posting the way you did certainly showed knowledge of that intent, and rather than simply ignoring the train wreck, you fed into it.

Being an accessory to trolling, while not trolling in and of itself, is certainly on the same tier of reprehensibility.
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:18 pm

Avenio wrote:
Tiami wrote:But did all those who participate do it to troll? No. Only a few players, at the most, did it to troll.
I know I did not.


No, but you did spam rather heartily. Considering the obvious intent to troll in the OP and throughout the thread, posting the way you did certainly showed knowledge of that intent, and rather than simply ignoring the train wreck, you fed into it.

Being an accessory to trolling, while not trolling in and of itself, is certainly on the same tier of reprehensibility.

Suddenly every form of satire is trolling?
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Postby Avenio » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:22 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Avenio wrote:
No, but you did spam rather heartily. Considering the obvious intent to troll in the OP and throughout the thread, posting the way you did certainly showed knowledge of that intent, and rather than simply ignoring the train wreck, you fed into it.

Being an accessory to trolling, while not trolling in and of itself, is certainly on the same tier of reprehensibility.

Suddenly every form of satire is trolling?


Where did I say that?

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:24 pm

Avenio wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Suddenly every form of satire is trolling?


Where did I say that?

It's quite an implication; when the RP was satire directed at experienced RPers. It wasn't some masterminded plan to confuse new players.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:26 pm

Oaledonia wrote:It's quite an implication; when the RP was satire directed at experienced RPers.


And how do you know that?

Oaledonia wrote:It wasn't some masterminded plan to confuse new players.


Five-line OPs don't have to be 'masterminded'. They can be quite spur-of-the-moment, in fact.

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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:28 pm

Avenio wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:It's quite an implication; when the RP was satire directed at experienced RPers.


And how do you know that?

I don't; but neither do you.
I'm basing it on the abrupt attraction of other experienced RPers.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:32 pm

Oaledonia wrote:I don't; but neither do you.


Considering the content of the thread, I think I rather do.

Oaledonia wrote:I'm basing it on the abrupt attraction of other experienced RPers.


'Abrupt' in this case being 'scattered throughout the thread'?

EDIT: Not to mention that if it was, in fact, directed at 'experienced RP'ers' primarily, and was not intended to drag a bunch of inexperienced players into getting angry and spamming, why wasn't the thread marked 'Closed' or 'Semi-Open' or whatever?
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Postby Ikania » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:34 pm

I'm not apologizing. That was totally unfair ban.
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Postby Tiami » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:40 pm

Avenio wrote:
Tiami wrote:But did all those who participate do it to troll? No. Only a few players, at the most, did it to troll.
I know I did not.


No, but you did spam rather heartily. Considering the obvious intent to troll in the OP and throughout the thread, posting the way you did certainly showed knowledge of that intent, and rather than simply ignoring the train wreck, you fed into it.

Being an accessory to trolling, while not trolling in and of itself, is certainly on the same tier of reprehensibility.

So I am a troll/spammer at heart? Nine years of NS, and only two warnings ever recorded on my record, the last one before the most recent, being two years ago, and now I am a troll?
What you just wrote, is that you expect all of us to be model posters on these forums. No one is perfect, bud, so you cannot expect what can not happen. Human error. <<<

And sorry to burst your bubble, but neither of my posts had any hint of trolling in it. Yes, it was spamming. And I wouldn't say I spammed 'rather heartily.' Two sentences with lest than ten words probably do not qualify under that category. When I first posted on the RP, I did it because I thought the RP was for fun, not for seriousness. You could call it bandwagon. ;)

But honestly, this isn't the thread to be arguing about something that took place two days ago. If you have anything to comment on, send it my way via TG. Let's not clutter this thread.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:47 pm

Tiami wrote:So I am a troll at heart? Nine years of NS, and only two warnings ever recorded on my record, the last one before the most recent, being two years ago, and now I am a troll?


Point out, specifically, where I accused you of being a troll or of trolling.

Tiami wrote:What you just wrote, is that you expect all of us to be model posters on these forums. No one is perfect, bud, so you cannot expect what can not happen.


If you honestly couldn't see that that thread was doomed to the hammer of mod from when you posted in it, then, well... I can't help you there.

Tiami wrote:And sorry to burst your bubble, but neither of my posts had any hint of trolling in it. Yes, it was spamming. And I wouldn't say I spammed 'rather heartily.' Two sentences with lest than ten words probably do not qualify under that category. When I first posted on the RP, I did it because I thought the RP was for fun, not for seriousness. You could call it bandwagon. ;)


'Spamming heartily' was referring to the fact that you contributed willfully and knowingly to the train wreck in progress. Hence why I said that you were an accessory to trolling; you may not have been trolling in and of itself, but by posting in and contributing to the thread, you were certainly helping in keeping the thread alive and the train of spam and baiting rolling along.

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Postby ViZion » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:43 pm

Can we let it go? You guys will just keep running in circles at this point. What's done is done, and you all hopefully learned from this not to do it again. The Mentors now understand and have taken responsibility. They aren't the first, and won't be the last, established and respected RPers to make that mistake. But I am pretty sure they won't do it again.
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Postby Anollasia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:46 pm

Apology accepted.

Apologizing just shows how mature you are. ;)
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Postby Virana » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:26 pm

Thank you to all of you for your comments. For those who felt an apology wasn't necessary: as a mentor, I felt I should have treated the situation in a more professional manner (as expected) because I am a mentor, and because I didn't, I felt such an apology was necessary.

Arguing over the morality of the thread and the ensuing punishments, when said punishments have already been given and served, is completely pointless. A lot of well established RPers made a silly mistake, and the punishment was intended to make it clear that their status or title does not warrant them immunity from the rules. Any further discussions on the topic should be relegated to telegrams; I'd be happy to answer questions or respond to any remaining concerns over telegram.

I'm going to request that a moderator lock this thread before it gets out of hand. Again, I appreciate all your comments on this issue.
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Postby Ralkovia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:54 pm

Virana wrote:Thank you to all of you for your comments. For those who felt an apology wasn't necessary: as a mentor, I felt I should have treated the situation in a more professional manner (as expected) because I am a mentor, and because I didn't, I felt such an apology was necessary.

Arguing over the morality of the thread and the ensuing punishments, when said punishments have already been given and served, is completely pointless. A lot of well established RPers made a silly mistake, and the punishment was intended to make it clear that their status or title does not warrant them immunity from the rules. Any further discussions on the topic should be relegated to telegrams; I'd be happy to answer questions or respond to any remaining concerns over telegram.

I'm going to request that a moderator lock this thread before it gets out of hand. Again, I appreciate all your comments on this issue.


I expect so much more out of you Virana. I was hurt and appalled when you spammed. All I wanted to do was RP, and everyone made it impossible. I think you should take a good hard look at yourself in a mirror and cry at least 2 hrs.

I joke. It's fine you apologized. I probably should too. Or at least make my intentions clear. But I probably won't.

Avenio wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:It's quite an implication; when the RP was satire directed at experienced RPers.


And how do you know that?

Oaledonia wrote:It wasn't some masterminded plan to confuse new players.


Five-line OPs don't have to be 'masterminded'. They can be quite spur-of-the-moment, in fact.


Generally, my thread was meant as satire. There was no trolling. I saw the Killing Islam thread, read it because it was a shit thread with shit responses, and decided that this would be hilarious to parody. I would have easily have chosen Buddhism or Christianity.

I'm Ralkovia. I am 'the' Mastermind.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:31 pm

Avenio wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:Ralk has always been up there as one of the evildoers of RPing, yes. He (and others like, say, Kraven) is, one could say, to evil what Lyras is to military tech.


There's a difference between RP'ing evil and trolling. Ralkovia's thread was almost certainly the latter, and several of the people that ended up getting bans participated in that attempt to troll.


I was talking about Ralk in general, not that particular thread.



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