Future Tech Advice and Assistance Thread [O.O.C.]

[The United Colonies of Earth]

What did you expect...no, wait. What's so wanky about it? Everything? I don't know how effective it would be otherwise.

Pretty much everything. You picked random large numbers and picked out a list of vaguely impressive-sounding metals, threw them together and asked us what we thought of them.

Yes, well, I chose them for their high resistance to acids (iridium), high melting point and hardness (tungsten), high strength-to-weight ratio (titanium), durability in the face of projectiles (chromium), and resistance to neutron-induced radioactivity (vanadium), and wonder if these properties still apply in alloy of all five.
The atom numbers were sort of random. I thought a heavy element might have space for technobable special properties. You know, apophenia. Pattern-seeking at random.
I derived the last big number from the fact that I wanted FTL travel to be nearly instantaneous at superluminal velocity, which led to me writing in the draft of my first book that a UCE Exploratory Ship got to Proxima Centauri in two seconds, then dividing that by the distance, roughly, from here to that star. The resultant number is the speed.

[Jenrak]

Earth is difficult to exploit because so damn many people claim to be there. It's impossible to be definitive on the subject because of that fact. So, you can ignore it if you want and there will be little consequence. I don't see why it is such an emotional topic.

I don't either, its really weird, they are not even giving advice so there is no point.

Cheery start to the thread lads. Gorgeous, in point of fact.

I agree.

You misunderstand me.

The foe system on the forum hides that persons posts. You have to then click on 'display this post' if you even want to read it.

I know, I clicked it to see what he said because I felt like entertaining myself then, but then I got baited.

To which i apologize to all for my participation int he argument.

It may be best that you leave, UEG.

The thread is very clear in that the subject is concerned with FT Prime, which you have vehemently stated that you do not subscribe to. If you would like to discuss general FTing, you may do so within your own thread (of which you are free to define your own definition), or through the RPing Questions thread, which is a more open discussion. Because this is not an officially sanctioned thread by moderation or Mentorship, this is technically a discussion for whichever group is defined by the OP.

It would also do you good to take a break and consider and rejigger your own personal definitions. Likewise, no one can hold you responsible for breaking pesonal Foe lists except yourself. Continually breaking the foe lists suggests that you are not taking this as seriously you should be. As such, I must politely ask that you take a break from the FT thread by leaving. This will not be a permanent removal, but it is one where I think you would immensely benefit from not getting continually sucked into arguments that only end up with both sides being very angry at each other.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

I don't either, its really weird, they are not even giving advice so there is no point.



I agree.



I know, I clicked it to see what he said because I felt like entertaining myself then, but then I got baited.

To which i apologize to all for my participation int he argument.

It may be best that you leave, UEG.

The thread is very clear in that the subject is concerned with FT Prime, which you have vehemently stated that you do not subscribe to. If you would like to discuss general FTing, you may do so within your own thread (of which you are free to define your own definition), or through the RPing Questions thread, which is a more open discussion. Because this is not an officially sanctioned thread by moderation or Mentorship, this is technically a discussion for whichever group is defined by the OP.

It would also do you good to take a break and consider and rejigger your own personal definitions. Likewise, no one can hold you responsible for breaking pesonal Foe lists except yourself. Continually breaking the foe lists suggests that you are not taking this as seriously you should be. As such, I must politely ask that you take a break from the FT thread by leaving. This will not be a permanent removal, but it is one where I think you would immensely benefit from not getting continually sucked into arguments that only end up with both sides being very angry at each other.

I don't break the foe list really at all, and only did so this time.

But I still find this information to be useful, I don't do anything myself that would be for another group.

How am I supposed to get my own advice and give advice? Without information that can be supplied, my ability is severally damaged.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Cheery start to the thread lads. Gorgeous, in point of fact.

Hilarious sarcasm can be.

[Jenrak]

It may be best that you leave, UEG.

The thread is very clear in that the subject is concerned with FT Prime, which you have vehemently stated that you do not subscribe to. If you would like to discuss general FTing, you may do so within your own thread (of which you are free to define your own definition), or through the RPing Questions thread, which is a more open discussion. Because this is not an officially sanctioned thread by moderation or Mentorship, this is technically a discussion for whichever group is defined by the OP.

It would also do you good to take a break and consider and rejigger your own personal definitions. Likewise, no one can hold you responsible for breaking pesonal Foe lists except yourself. Continually breaking the foe lists suggests that you are not taking this as seriously you should be. As such, I must politely ask that you take a break from the FT thread by leaving. This will not be a permanent removal, but it is one where I think you would immensely benefit from not getting continually sucked into arguments that only end up with both sides being very angry at each other.

I don't break the foe list really at all, and only did so this time.

But I still find this information to be useful, I don't do anything myself that would be for another group.

How am I supposed to get my own advice and give advice? Without information that can be supplied, my ability is severally damaged.

I've provided suggestions to stick to the RP Questions thread. You can attempt to answer questions there. Likewise, there are several smaller RPing groups, or you can start your own RPing group. The possibilities are endless. I must ask that you leave, however, and continued posting within this thread may be grounds for disciplinary action.

[Kornosia]

I cant figure out why we have two FT advice threads?

[The Akasha Colony]

I cant figure out why we have two FT advice threads?

We only have one now. The old one was locked so that this one would be used.

[Kornosia]

What?!?!?!?!

[SquareDisc City]

Well, it was getting close to 500 pages anyway.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Alternatively, it could be interesting to have an actual RPer be the larger power. I'm certain there would be others that would be up for the task, and such an approach has worked in MT to generally agreeable degrees of success.

This would definitely be preferable, I think, in terms of having people to readily RP with and basically having an in with some established RPers if the larger power is not also new. If they are new, well, you do still have each other which is definitely a good start to having a core group. From a social aspect, I like this idea. From a world-building aspect, so long as you are both concerned with internal consistency, this would also be a great idea.

The only problem would be finding someone with whom you can easily work cooperatively. This requires a bit more than regular cooperative RP does, I think, unless you mean to create the history and then never really think about each other again.

Does Huerdae still linger on Legion? He springs to mind when the words "evil empire" show on my screen, though I doubt he has holdings to part with in the form of a new player.

I suppose that's a good question. Yalos, what are your sapients like? Humans, fish, squid, birds..? There are several FT empires I'm aware of, but matching your race and cultural mindset might be fairly difficult, unless you wish to be an addition only newly annexed, and just as recently seceded.

[Jenrak]

I cant figure out why we have two FT advice threads?

• It was getting close to 500 pages, and people were talking about spamming it to get it locked
• Balrogga's pretty hard to reach sometimes
• Kyrusia apparently had a good, working OP ready
• I was online

It made sense just to get it over with.

[Yalos]

This would definitely be preferable, I think, in terms of having people to readily RP with and basically having an in with some established RPers if the larger power is not also new. If they are new, well, you do still have each other which is definitely a good start to having a core group. From a social aspect, I like this idea. From a world-building aspect, so long as you are both concerned with internal consistency, this would also be a great idea.

The only problem would be finding someone with whom you can easily work cooperatively. This requires a bit more than regular cooperative RP does, I think, unless you mean to create the history and then never really think about each other again.

Does Huerdae still linger on Legion? He springs to mind when the words "evil empire" show on my screen, though I doubt he has holdings to part with in the form of a new player.

I suppose that's a good question. Yalos, what are your sapients like? Humans, fish, squid, birds..? There are several FT empires I'm aware of, but matching your race and cultural mindset might be fairly difficult, unless you wish to be an addition only newly annexed, and just as recently seceded.

I didn't imagine a single race would fit my nation. Instead, I kind of hoped to be a hodgepodge of a few different ones- with a human majority of course, because humans are everywhere. Of course, I might need to RP more, and get out a bit more before people let me use their races, but I wanted to be a nation of outcasts and exiles; not some grand glorious empire (though that's very well what it might transform into.)
This idea does interest me, but I'm sort of reluctant to tie myself down to a single player, simply because, what if they leave, or some other complication. Do you think if I could, my nation could've been a disputed area from a multi factional war of sorts, that could've declared autonomy amidst the violence?

[Auman]

Would you enjoy making the whole history of the space empire that came before it? If not, then I would come up with some good details, maybe a little history to explain the rebellion, and then leave it at that. No one will fault you for not coming up with everything about your nation's past.

Alternatively, it could be interesting to have an actual RPer be the larger power. I'm certain there would be others that would be up for the task, and such an approach has worked in MT to generally agreeable degrees of success.

I could fill in for the larger power... My current situation actually makes it easy for you to call it quits and strike out on your own. Problem is that I would probably have to bomb you at some point and that's not a very nice thing to do to somebody.

[Feazanthia]

Somewhat ashamed I didn't think of this.

I will be in the corner.

[Vaxon]

Tagged n' Bagged for future usage...

[New Azura]

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I don't recall seeing your invitation, Mr. Vaxon.

[Vaxon]

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I don't recall seeing your invitation, Mr. Vaxon.

"Invitation"? I didn't know you had to be "invited" to a thread that seems to be pretty much for public usage...

[New Azura]

I don't recall seeing your invitation, Mr. Vaxon.

"Invitation"? I didn't know you had to be "invited" to a thread that seems to be pretty much for public usage...

Oh, didn't you get the memo? I'm in charge of Customs and Sexy Guests Enforcement. Without me, this place would devolve into hapless monkeys marrying turtles.

[Vaxon]

"Invitation"? I didn't know you had to be "invited" to a thread that seems to be pretty much for public usage...

Oh, didn't you get the memo? I'm in charge of Customs and Sexy Guests Enforcement. Without me, this place would devolve into hapless monkeys marrying turtles.

... lolwut ...

[Vocenae]

Not a chat thread guys.

To bring this back to the realm of advice, what do you guys think of a fleet of smaller, secondary ships acting as a supplement to a orbital defense grid? Namely something that acts as a screen against troopships and their escorts, or raiders looking to take out the orbital guns while the main enemy fleet slugs it out with the main defensive fleet farther out in local space. These ships would obviously be weaker and only have a few weapons to turn against the enemy, but they'd have a 'quicker' response time in comparison to larger ships or defensive platforms. I figure the ships would be roughly around 150-200m in length and wouldn't be capable of any sort of FTL and would have a operational range comparable to that of Earth's medium orbit. So you wouldn't have to worry about these boats diving into the heavier combat. Think of them as more of a orbital coast guard, though if your enemy forces you into fighting at that range you'd pretty much have to use them in a major capital ship engagement.

Of course, there is no perfect system. even low planetary orbit is still a incredibly massive theater to operate in and there an enemy will always get through, if you're attempting to be real with the scale of things. This sound like a reasonable approach? It's mainly to allow for the pew pew BOOM without filling low orbit with the bigger warships of thundering doom.

[New Azura]

Not a chat thread guys.

To bring this back to the realm of advice, what do you guys think of a fleet of smaller, secondary ships acting as a supplement to a orbital defense grid? Namely something that acts as a screen against troopships and their escorts, or raiders looking to take out the orbital guns while the main enemy fleet slugs it out with the main defensive fleet farther out in local space. These ships would obviously be weaker and only have a few weapons to turn against the enemy, but they'd have a 'quicker' response time in comparison to larger ships or defensive platforms. I figure the ships would be roughly around 150-200m in length and wouldn't be capable of any sort of FTL and would have a operational range comparable to that of Earth's medium orbit. So you wouldn't have to worry about these boats diving into the heavier combat. Think of them as more of a orbital coast guard, though if your enemy forces you into fighting at that range you'd pretty much have to use them in a major capital ship engagement.

Of course, there is no perfect system. even low planetary orbit is still a incredibly massive theater to operate in and there an enemy will always get through, if you're attempting to be real with the scale of things. This sound like a reasonable approach? It's mainly to allow for the pew pew BOOM without filling low orbit with the bigger warships of thundering doom.

Could work; a sort-of rapid response force that could readily protect key installations. Though would an automated system be more efficient and timely than literal ships protecting sensitive areas, unless you enact a form of contingency where they're constantly in place?

[Zepplin Manufacturers]

In most settings these tend to degenerate from a nice rapid response force to a group of monitors. Monitor the word tends to give the image of big heavy armored and just as nasty as main line/wall of battle combatant brutes, a semi mobile PDC, a thug of a ship in short without FTL or long term endurance. A gunslab.

The other proposition is interesting and certainly if you have the operational capacity or want offers some nice RP opportunity and reasonable use as the equivalent of a torpedo fast boat or a rocket interceptor . Small in system deference ships that are more a form of silo babies. They also gives up operational range and endurance but for rapid response and blinding real space maneuverability ..a 200 meter long interceptor, this could be a nasty device with an admittedly short operational time with oh the FT equivalent of big single use boosters and such. A planetary defense and intercept cruiser, just the sort of thing to swat people hurling self defending bolides at you and the like..

Its not bad but unlike the gunslab which you can heavy metal it up with thug tech like nuclear pulse drives and big simple casaba howitzers and nuclear pulse guns , mass driver arrays etc ... mister high tech interceptor has to be all exotics and high energy low volume solutions ...in short beginning very much to intrude on the same spots that most star ships tend to occupy in required resources. This gives the dilemma, local defense or strategic defense, sure for a home or core world its quite reasonable both politically and logistically to go the whole hog if it suits your setting

Such interceptors sitting in the dark in huge cryogenic shrouds, there vast quick start drives and huge stealthy black body whipple shrouds ready to be shriven open does sound good ..but it is vastly vastly better to stop them getting to the system at all than engaging them above a world you need to protect to such an extent you consider large scale strategically static system defenses capable of really standing off fleets. The issue again in logistical terms and in RP ninjitsu occurs, should your massive system deference be able to stand off said main invasion fleet would it not have been better to invest in a fleet of you own in the first place?

[Themiclesia]

Is there anyway to work this PT design into a FT style?

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/16/lng2.JPG

[Vocenae]

You do realize that there is a player that flies around with a giant revolver that fires 1:1 gold scale models of the Vatican, right? And has the Winter Palace from Imperial Russia flying around in space.

So yes, you can have that design flying around in space, but you'll have to handwave essentially all the technology that makes it capable of doing so.

[SquareDisc City]

If it's being seen as an "orbital coast guard", then that to me implies being oriented around duties other than regular combat. Customs inspections, anti-stealth operations (and yes I know stealth in space is unrealistic), rescuing people off damaged spacecraft, that sort of stuff. It'd be able to fight minor skirmishes, but would need to call on the military proper for bigger threats.

On a sidenote, I've long used the term "monitor" to refer to a ship that's basically one big gun and not a lot else, so the glass cannons of the space force.

On working the design into FT, sure. Lots of ways to do it. Going lolhueg is an obvious one. Or another I can see is mirroring it on the horizontal, so you'd end up with either a sort of diamond shape or an X shape, either way seeming to defy gravity. Or you could have it actually defy gravity and levitate.