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Time-skip to next RP? To speed up and get a actual story arc going instead of sandbox?

Yes, time skip to next RP with Vortukian victory
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Yes, time skip to next RP with Kraut victory
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No, don't time skip
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Total votes : 42

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Postby Durmatagno » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:39 am

Dolmhold wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:i was thinking a Three Way Battle between us.

Hmmm... What necessarily would make it into a three-way battle, especially upon first contact. I know, even I am eager to bring out my military goodies and the vectors of battle and the wall of battle ships, the packets and the laser counter battery knife fights, the mine dumps and the explosions all around, but we need a reason- a story behind this. How the heck did this happen, and why? With my current cannon on this nation, I don't think we'd be the third side in the battle, except as an accidental observer. My military ships have their traveling range limits, and we aren't exactly going to be setting massive logistic trains just to fight some random alien at war with another alien, both whom we don't know about and probably don't really have to care about.

Yeah, though that's part of why all my larger ships (Battleship/Transport up) have meat vats and small farms, its not enough to feed a fleet, but the ship its in (at normal capacity) can be kept going for awhile. We have fleet bio-ships (misleading, I know) being updated for military use as part of project TITAN, previously, they were used to keep the first colony fed while it works. Once they're done, they should provide mobile food trains, fuel and ammo is another problem in its right.
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Postby Dolmhold » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:55 am

The Fallen Jedi wrote:Its in this Rp.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=268112


Hmmm... I have to say that it's a bit disappointing. It isn't exactly up to par with what I had hoped... is it possible for you to provide a better example by writing it out now? Because otherwise this really is disappointing, and I'm not too sure if your RPing would be fit for this storyline.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:57 am

Dolmhold wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:Its in this Rp.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=268112


Hmmm... I have to say that it's a bit disappointing. It isn't exactly up to par with what I had hoped... is it possible for you to provide a better example by writing it out now? Because otherwise this really is disappointing, and I'm not too sure if your RPing would be fit for this storyline.


I was also part of the Infinity Rp, i have a huge nack for Space age Rp's.

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Postby Dolmhold » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:07 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:I was also part of the Infinity Rp, i have a huge nack for Space age Rp's.

You misunderstand me; I'm looking for an example, not past RP credentials. So far, most of your posts have shown themselves to be a few sentences or groups of different story-lines of a few sentences, nothing that proves to me that you are capable of writing in detail and sustaining a focus in the plot. There is little in your post that shows world-building or much in the way of charector development. It's common for beginning RPers to do so (please don't look at my first RPs lol), but I'm selecting for quality at the moment. Now, if you can prove to me that you are changing your writing and thus showing quality improvement, then I may consider it. Until then, however, I don't think you'd fit too well in our new story line. Sorry.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:15 pm

Dolmhold wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:I was also part of the Infinity Rp, i have a huge nack for Space age Rp's.

You misunderstand me; I'm looking for an example, not past RP credentials. So far, most of your posts have shown themselves to be a few sentences or groups of different story-lines of a few sentences, nothing that proves to me that you are capable of writing in detail and sustaining a focus in the plot. There is little in your post that shows world-building or much in the way of charector development. It's common for beginning RPers to do so (please don't look at my first RPs lol), but I'm selecting for quality at the moment. Now, if you can prove to me that you are changing your writing and thus showing quality improvement, then I may consider it. Until then, however, I don't think you'd fit too well in our new story line. Sorry.


Must i repeat myself, i am unable to produce long statements unless i am inspired to do so, for example, when i listen to any type of fast paced- battle music, it gets me inspired, and watching moves with Armed Conflict gets me even more involved, so basically put, i have only inspiration as my Example.

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Postby Dolmhold » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:24 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:Must i repeat myself, i am unable to produce long statements unless i am inspired to do so, for example, when i listen to any type of fast paced- battle music, it gets me inspired, and watching moves with Armed Conflict gets me even more involved, so basically put, i have only inspiration as my Example.

Then by all means, do so! Give me an example of your writing when under that influence! So far, I have not seen one example of you under that inspiration, which severely limits my faith in your honesty. This example could be from history, as your other examples have been dragged from, or you could make up a post on the spot right here.

If you cannot provide a decent example, and the promise of sustainability on that example, then unfortunately all the examples you have given on your writing do not pass, and thus your involvement in the storyline is a no-go. It's as simple as that.

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Postby Veroxia » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:43 pm

I believe everyone should have a fair share on storylines. So that doesn't mean that since Jedi doesn't have examples to show you, he cannot be in a storyline. That's unfair for me and others as EVERYONE should have an equal share, not because examples are not provided...that's pathetic. And I have seen Jedi's posts and they are pretty well-thought, better than mine. So just because he didn't provide a post, that does not mean he cannot be allowed in the storyline. So be fair because it shows you want "the best of the best" RPer's and I don't approve of it.
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Postby Durmatagno » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:49 pm

Veroxia wrote:I believe everyone should have a fair share on storylines. So that doesn't mean that since Jedi doesn't have examples to show you, he cannot be in a storyline. That's unfair for me and others as EVERYONE should have an equal share, not because examples are not provided...that's pathetic. And I have seen Jedi's posts and they are pretty well-thought, better than mine. So just because he didn't provide a post, that does not mean he cannot be allowed in the storyline. So be fair because it shows you want "the best of the best" RPer's and I don't approve of it.


All Dolm is asking for is better quality. The vast majority of my posts are 2-3 paragraphs, though I try to do more. Jedi on the other hand is using 2-3 sentence paragraphs. That's not much to work on, and not much detail can go in them. IMO, Dolm and I both prefer longer, more detailed posts, and that's what Dolm expects when you RP with them.
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Postby Dolmhold » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:59 pm

Veroxia wrote:I believe everyone should have a fair share on storylines. So that doesn't mean that since Jedi doesn't have examples to show you, he cannot be in a storyline. That's unfair for me and others as EVERYONE should have an equal share, not because examples are not provided...that's pathetic. And I have seen Jedi's posts and they are pretty well-thought, better than mine. So just because he didn't provide a post, that does not mean he cannot be allowed in the storyline. So be fair because it shows you want "the best of the best" RPer's and I don't approve of it.


You might not approve of it, but as an RPer and an individual I have the right of freedom of association. I'm not aiming for the best of the best by far, just those who've shown that they can put in quality and dedication in their RPing work, and if his posts are better thought out than yours- what does that say about your own? RPs are cooperative storytelling exercises, but when there is a major dissonance between two factors, say post quality, worldbuilding, intended plot or other such factors, it becomes a hurdle of which the plan must be aborted or fixed. In this case, there is a major dissonance, and it does not look like it may be fixed.

Why is it that you believe storylines should be for everyone to join in upon? It may be true that we have all applied to this RP group, but that does not necessarily mean that all people may participate in an emerging story at any time they choose. It threatens the very nature of that storyline, for one, and forces the overall direction to be rewritten each time someone jumps in randomly in order to accommodate them. This may very well break that storyline, since the situation was not intended to this new X amount of people, and thus should be avoided.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:00 pm

Dolmhold wrote:
Veroxia wrote:I believe everyone should have a fair share on storylines. So that doesn't mean that since Jedi doesn't have examples to show you, he cannot be in a storyline. That's unfair for me and others as EVERYONE should have an equal share, not because examples are not provided...that's pathetic. And I have seen Jedi's posts and they are pretty well-thought, better than mine. So just because he didn't provide a post, that does not mean he cannot be allowed in the storyline. So be fair because it shows you want "the best of the best" RPer's and I don't approve of it.


You might not approve of it, but as an RPer and an individual I have the right of freedom of association. I'm not aiming for the best of the best by far, just those who've shown that they can put in quality and dedication in their RPing work, and if his posts are better thought out than yours- what does that say about your own? RPs are cooperative storytelling exercises, but when there is a major dissonance between two factors, say post quality, worldbuilding, intended plot or other such factors, it becomes a hurdle of which the plan must be aborted or fixed. In this case, there is a major dissonance, and it does not look like it may be fixed.

Why is it that you believe storylines should be for everyone to join in upon? It may be true that we have all applied to this RP group, but that does not necessarily mean that all people may participate in an emerging story at any time they choose. It threatens the very nature of that storyline, for one, and forces the overall direction to be rewritten each time someone jumps in randomly in order to accommodate them. This may very well break that storyline, since the situation was not intended to this new X amount of people, and thus should be avoided.


Just read my damm IC post and get it over with.

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Postby Veroxia » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:05 pm

Dolmhold wrote:
Veroxia wrote:I believe everyone should have a fair share on storylines. So that doesn't mean that since Jedi doesn't have examples to show you, he cannot be in a storyline. That's unfair for me and others as EVERYONE should have an equal share, not because examples are not provided...that's pathetic. And I have seen Jedi's posts and they are pretty well-thought, better than mine. So just because he didn't provide a post, that does not mean he cannot be allowed in the storyline. So be fair because it shows you want "the best of the best" RPer's and I don't approve of it.


You might not approve of it, but as an RPer and an individual I have the right of freedom of association. I'm not aiming for the best of the best by far, just those who've shown that they can put in quality and dedication in their RPing work, and if his posts are better thought out than yours- what does that say about your own? RPs are cooperative storytelling exercises, but when there is a major dissonance between two factors, say post quality, worldbuilding, intended plot or other such factors, it becomes a hurdle of which the plan must be aborted or fixed. In this case, there is a major dissonance, and it does not look like it may be fixed.

Why is it that you believe storylines should be for everyone to join in upon? It may be true that we have all applied to this RP group, but that does not necessarily mean that all people may participate in an emerging story at any time they choose. It threatens the very nature of that storyline, for one, and forces the overall direction to be rewritten each time someone jumps in randomly in order to accommodate them. This may very well break that storyline, since the situation was not intended to this new X amount of people, and thus should be avoided.


And thus you believe that better quality equals a better storyline. That is not factually true. Why do I believe that everyone should be allowed in a storyline: Because everyone is equal and should have a fair chance. You do not allow people because they need "better quality"? That's quite an excuse, and although I may not be good writer from time to time, I try.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:11 pm

So... Am I accepted? Apps on P38.
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Postby Legendardisch » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:12 pm

Applying for Co-OP Vort.

Also, Dolm i am warning you, dont exclude people in the main IC.
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Postby Durmatagno » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:12 pm

Veroxia wrote:
Dolmhold wrote:
You might not approve of it, but as an RPer and an individual I have the right of freedom of association. I'm not aiming for the best of the best by far, just those who've shown that they can put in quality and dedication in their RPing work, and if his posts are better thought out than yours- what does that say about your own? RPs are cooperative storytelling exercises, but when there is a major dissonance between two factors, say post quality, worldbuilding, intended plot or other such factors, it becomes a hurdle of which the plan must be aborted or fixed. In this case, there is a major dissonance, and it does not look like it may be fixed.

Why is it that you believe storylines should be for everyone to join in upon? It may be true that we have all applied to this RP group, but that does not necessarily mean that all people may participate in an emerging story at any time they choose. It threatens the very nature of that storyline, for one, and forces the overall direction to be rewritten each time someone jumps in randomly in order to accommodate them. This may very well break that storyline, since the situation was not intended to this new X amount of people, and thus should be avoided.


And thus you believe that better quality equals a better storyline. That is not factually true. Why do I believe that everyone should be allowed in a storyline: Because everyone is equal and should have a fair chance. You do not allow people because they need "better quality"? That's quite an excuse, and although I may not be good writer from time to time, I try.


Better quality = better storyline on average. I've seen short posts that make good RPs, and good writers make shitty ones. Dolm can choose who and who not to RP with, so leave them alone about it. I RP with anyone that doesn't argue about every little thing and can at least give me enough to work with. Dolm has different requirements. Not respecting them is the same as hopping in on a closed RP without permission.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:15 pm

You know, because I'd really like to join the IC and wreak some havoc on some worlds and expand the sound of the Hivemind. :D
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:16 pm

I respect them. I don't like the fact that he gave Jedi no chance when he had really any "inspiration" to write about. That's completely unfair.


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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:18 pm

It's already happened once, and we survived that, and if I'm accepted, just be noted that I'm a slave species to Vortukia, so... There's that. ^_^
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Postby Legendardisch » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:18 pm

Durmatagno wrote:
Veroxia wrote:
And thus you believe that better quality equals a better storyline. That is not factually true. Why do I believe that everyone should be allowed in a storyline: Because everyone is equal and should have a fair chance. You do not allow people because they need "better quality"? That's quite an excuse, and although I may not be good writer from time to time, I try.


Better quality = better storyline on average. I've seen short posts that make good RPs, and good writers make shitty ones. Dolm can choose who and who not to RP with, so leave them alone about it. I RP with anyone that doesn't argue about every little thing and can at least give me enough to work with. Dolm has different requirements. Not respecting them is the same as hopping in on a closed RP without permission.



When you join a RP group like this, well people expect not to be excluded, listen i have an advice.
Dont like the quality here
Please leave.
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:19 pm

You are? Then never mind what I said to you. Vortukia is a large ally of my nation.
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Postby Durmatagno » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:23 pm

Legendardisch wrote:
Durmatagno wrote:
Better quality = better storyline on average. I've seen short posts that make good RPs, and good writers make shitty ones. Dolm can choose who and who not to RP with, so leave them alone about it. I RP with anyone that doesn't argue about every little thing and can at least give me enough to work with. Dolm has different requirements. Not respecting them is the same as hopping in on a closed RP without permission.



When you join a RP group like this, well people expect not to be excluded, listen i have an advice.
Dont like the quality here
Please leave.


Hmm, lets see here

Durmatagno wrote:I RP with anyone that doesn't argue about every little thing and can at least give me enough to work with


What's your problem again?

Oh yes, me defending the opinion and rights of another player,
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:27 pm

Durmatagno wrote:
Legendardisch wrote:

When you join a RP group like this, well people expect not to be excluded, listen i have an advice.
Dont like the quality here
Please leave.


Hmm, lets see here

Durmatagno wrote:I RP with anyone that doesn't argue about every little thing and can at least give me enough to work with


What's your problem again?

Oh yes, me defending the opinion and rights of another player,



Please don't get it too far. What I simply said is that it is unfair for Jedi to not be allowed in a storyline because he cannot show an example. That is not really fair. I respect your opinion, but it cannot be "I select you guys only because your the best". That's not how it works here. It works with everyone working together.
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Vortukia, you need Co-Ops here now, because your Activity is Lacking right now.

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Postby Legendardisch » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Durmatagno wrote:
Legendardisch wrote:

When you join a RP group like this, well people expect not to be excluded, listen i have an advice.
Dont like the quality here
Please leave.


Hmm, lets see here

Durmatagno wrote:I RP with anyone that doesn't argue about every little thing and can at least give me enough to work with


What's your problem again?

Oh yes, me defending the opinion and rights of another player,



I am getting really tired of the whining in Endless Space. where in Infinity it was every month or something, here it is every minute


Want a fucking IC thats not connected with the main one but vort, the op says no. Well fuck sherlock offcourse he can say so and quit whining afterwards. this is a ROLEPLAY GROUP, Fucking NSA would know that the IC is filled, yet manages to fish out the storyline they were mentioned in.


Excluding people, sure, but not in a fucking rp group like this. Start your own roleplay and exclude people there. not here.
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:31 pm

Legendardisch wrote:
Durmatagno wrote:
Hmm, lets see here



What's your problem again?

Oh yes, me defending the opinion and rights of another player,



I am getting really tired of the whining in Endless Space. where in Infinity it was every month or something, here it is every minute


Want a fucking IC thats not connected with the main one but vort, the op says no. Well fuck sherlock offcourse he can say so and quit whining afterwards. this is a ROLEPLAY GROUP, Fucking NSA would know that the IC is filled, yet manages to fish out the storyline they were mentioned in.


Excluding people, sure, but not in a fucking rp group like this. Start your own roleplay and exclude people there. not here.


Ok, you know what, stop this right now, this is already getting on my nerves, the arguments may be mild here compared to Infinity, but this was the problem that made a lot of people leave.

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Postby Legendardisch » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:33 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Legendardisch wrote:

I am getting really tired of the whining in Endless Space. where in Infinity it was every month or something, here it is every minute


Want a fucking IC thats not connected with the main one but vort, the op says no. Well fuck sherlock offcourse he can say so and quit whining afterwards. this is a ROLEPLAY GROUP, Fucking NSA would know that the IC is filled, yet manages to fish out the storyline they were mentioned in.


Excluding people, sure, but not in a fucking rp group like this. Start your own roleplay and exclude people there. not here.


Ok, you know what, stop this right now, this is already getting on my nerves, the arguments may be mild here compared to Infinity, but this was the problem that made a lot of people leave.


Sure, but it happens because people always whine about something, i am just telling them to stop
They cant exclude you, if they want to do so, they should've not join this.
and dont say because of the arguments people left infinity, it was also the lack of activitiy.
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