GESO OOC thread.

[Chaos Crescent]

Five gone.....five dead....soon only a handful shall remain.

We have plenty of others about... this will be a surprise; I hope you will be with us...

Too stubborn to leave.

[Holy Marsh]

Everything will be fine. People just need to chill out.

[Reploid Productions]

*snip*

Seriously, Blaat just warned somebody else barely 2 pages ago for posting IRC logs containing personal information (IP addresses,) and then you had to turn around and do the exact same thing?

People, sharing IRC logs is not necessarily against the rules. But check and scrub personal info before posting!

*** The Fedral Union, warned for publicizing fellow players IP addresses. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Dainus]

I have to say. I'm saddened by everything that has happened over the past days.

Unfortunately working and living in Australia has meant that I have only been around for some of this but I wish all those that have left us all the best.

Belos, Natornic, Tellus, Star Trek America and Italian Mafias.

As to my understanding this all came to a head in IRC. There was a proposal to alter the charter to officially establish a secretary general role. This role would ostentatiously be GESO's and the GRF's leader. Why? because people didn't want UTA to be the public face of the organization. Whatever the reasoning behind this view (mainly to do with things well and truly in the past) I do believe that GESO has no single leader, or public face.

UTA is a leader and is a public face, yes, but that does not prevent or discourage from taking an active role and be themselves a leader with and a public face without. GESO doesn't have a "central" administrator/leader IC because we, in the establishment of GESO, didn't want a central administrator or leader OOCly. This ensures that each of us has an equal responsibility and ownership of GESO. Even with how the charter is now there was a better path that those involved could have taken. The question is now, as those within GESO who remain, what do we want.

Do we want to codify our leadership in a tighter sense? Do we want to establish a central leadership position and the associated administration that goes with that whether ICly or OOCly? We have questions to answer and it's only fitting that the membership of GESO decide where GESO's future lies.

[Itailian Maifias]

The conflict was not my reforms, it was because I asked UTA questions and he refused to answer and then argument. I advise you get with Belos for a full log that isn't edited to make one side look better.

[Dainus]

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09:44.52] <UTA> T His is GEC IN AN ic FORM
[09:44.56] <UTA> In an IC form
[09:44.57] <UTA> but..
[09:44.59] <UTA> it will rotate
[09:45.02] <UTA> under elections
[09:45.16] <UTA> that way we avoid this issue in the future
[09:46.50] <UTA> Hello ghant.
[09:46.55] <UTA> Now that we're all cooled off.
[09:47.23] <UTA> I beleive I put forth a comprimise in the joint actions
[09:47.39] <UTA> I＋https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Federal_Council，
[09:47.55] <UTA> I think this is best for us all
[09:48.05] <UTA> that way I get rotated out as much as the next guy
[09:48.07] <UTA> ectera
[09:50.19] <UTA> I cut everything off in the OOC thread because I sawa trainwreck comming I wanted to avoid
[09:50.28] <UTA> so I waent back to the drawing board
[09:50.39] <UTA> pulled out an idea I had and put it forth in the JA thread
[09:51.24] <UTA> I do need to step back at times, I do need to stop being heavy handed.. But I don't want to be hounded and attacked un fairly to get it done..
[09:56.59] <UTA> ＋http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=26566681#p26566681，
[09:58.58] <UTA> Ladies, gentlemen thoughts?
[10:01.15] <@Nalydya> My thoughts:
[10:01.31] <@Nalydya> As I've said before the information that those ships have been deployed is not public knowledge.
[10:02.24] <UTA> Oh sorry
[10:02.33] <UTA> but... I did kinda cover our arses icly
[10:02.45] <UTA> stating it was not on behalf of GESO
[10:02.52] <UTA> but
[10:03.16] <UTA> As prempetive deployment to assist civlilians
[10:03.30] <UTA> if phenioxe passed, and if ti didn't to do it ourselves
[10:03.41] <UTA> so therefore we commited no violation of the charter..
[10:05.48] <@Nalydya> Well
[10:06.13] <@Nalydya> IC there shouldn't even be a need to cover anything because any suspicion is OOC info seeping in.
[10:06.37] <UTA> Exactly
[10:06.40] <UTA> it was meta gaming
[10:09.59] <UTA> Thats why I asked and said for people to stop pushing :/
[10:12.44] <@Nalydya> Who is the Italian guy?
[10:14.37] <@Nalydya> Danke
[10:27.19] <UTA> Itialian mafaias
[10:27.22] <UTA> the don
[10:27.50] <UTA> Look Nal at that point I was on nearly 36 hours with no sleep.... I told people to hey back off..
[10:27.58] <UTA> What do yoiu think that does to a person
[10:28.01] <Sailorwrath> ?
[10:28.04] <UTA> if they constantly get baddgaered
[10:29.50] <UTA> ＋http://pastebin.com/nBzB05mC，
[10:31.36] <UTA> Would that be agreeable a ＋https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Federal_Council， ?
[10:31.45] <UTA> since don insist on a secretary general
[10:31.53] <UTA> I think It should be collective
[10:32.00] <UTA> With rotating seats
[10:33.01] <UTA> 4 founders.. via election, several non founders depeneding on what we get well yeah... worked out
[10:33.11] <UTA> 3 founders will have voting rights
[10:33.18] <UTA> 1 will have a tie braker
[10:33.40] <UTA> or non voting rights yet a tie braking vote
[10:33.57] <UTA> I preposed this ages ago
[10:34.01] <UTA> proposed this*
[10:49.30] * NyanServ sets mode +o UTA for #GESO
[10:49.57] * GhantAFK is now known as Ghant
[10:51.03] <UTA> Well Ghant, what do you think of the swiss federal concuil bit
[10:51.18] <UTA> welll idea for making the executive collectve
[10:51.48] <UTA> that way... In speific circumstances the roated persons can BEST choose for the SITUATION... the external speaker.. to represent the SC
[10:51.52] <UTA> and GESO
[10:52.07] <UTA> that way we're flexible, democratic, and effective
[10:52.41] <Sailorwrath> That, or you actually take suggestions from members on everything and we vote on it.
[10:53.42] <UTA> That wouldn't be democratic would it; I would simplty bei saying yes to everything...
[10:54.09] <UTA> The collective ... executive idea is verry verstile..
[10:54.34] <UTA> IF I happen to get rotated on in..
[10:54.37] <Sailorwrath> While I do use it as a basis for my Archonate, practicality should be taken into consideration.
[10:54.46] <UTA> It would be
[10:55.19] <UTA> if I happen to be rolled in via vote, icly.. I may be the best person to speak to X.. yet another person might be the best to represent us to Y
[10:55.23] <UTA> understand?
[10:55.44] <UTA> so this way we have people that can represent us and the will fo the SC/GESO .. to different segments.
[10:55.51] <UTA> People they can deal with or are willing to deal with
[10:56.09] <UTA> Don was trying to get at that; he just didn't do it in the right way..
[10:56.18] <UTA> I understand witch is why im against a single secretary general
[10:56.24] <UTA> it gives us flexability
[10:58.57] * Sailorwrath_ is now known as Sailorwrath
[10:59.20] <Sailorwrath> Where were we?
[11:02.59] <Sailorwrath> Anyways, for the Security Council, I like the idea of a rotating body but not so much of a Secretary-General that is suited to non-member A or B.
[11:03.59] <Sailorwrath> Well, not "Suited," it's something like "Nation A is best at handling affairs with Nation B, while C is best with D, etc."
[11:04.11] <UTA> Well it makes snese
[11:05.58] <Sailorwrath> I thought it was going to be a collective effort.
[11:06.25] <UTA> Now the GRF thing can be fixed.. Unless under as don sated the orders by the concuil/speaker.. Or through the SC unless its a mission of maijor emergancy witch actives our Mutual defense pact.. Ships contributed to the GRF may not act on everyones behalf.
[11:06.41] <UTA> It is collective
[11:06.48] <Sailorwrath> That would be like the UNSC going all over the place in conflicting directions.
[11:06.53] <UTA> they get together and mke decesions.
[11:07.02] <UTA> Well no they woud talk about it first
[11:07.06] <UTA> prior . asnd cooridnaite.
[11:07.11] <Sailorwrath> Then why the individual-ness?
[11:07.30] <UTA> Its a collective exectuive branch storm..
[11:07.32] <UTA> thats my idea
[11:07.52] <UTA> Because equal representation, felaxbility.
[11:07.58] <@Nalydya> Back
[11:08.03] <UTA> ectera
[11:08.05] <@Nalydya> What's going on with the GRF?
[11:08.08] <UTA> It has many advantages
[11:08.41] <UTA> I know how to help patch it up.. Don wrote it in his notes on the JA thread.. I think it can be cleared up via doing that
[11:09.35] <Sailorwrath> Apparently it must have multiple executives. I get that it is better in that it could be truly representative of democratic process or whatever is equivalent, but the decision should be the collective decision of its members.
[11:09.42] <UTA> I can orignize thigns well; thats my best trait. But Im willing to say hey lets do elections if im rotated out ok I'll be pooled as a non voting envoy to deal with say grops like FBN nal
[11:09.45] <UTA> who know me
[11:09.45] <UTA> icly
[11:10.02] <UTA> It would be
[11:10.08] <Sailorwrath> A rotating Secretary-General wouldn't exactly be helpful.
[11:10.08] <Sailorwrath> Rotating SC members, sure.
[11:10.09] <UTA> this isj ust a frame work
[11:10.25] <UTA> There wouldn't be a secretary general position in this system
[11:10.43] <UTA> the members would choose somone to speak for them depending on the case
[11:11.06] <UTA> the security concuil is premamante becuse its representetive of all our nations.
[11:11.18] <UTA> the exectui9ve concuil would be rotating..
[11:11.33] <UTA> executive* in order to facilitaite a better democratic process.
[11:11.35] <Sailorwrath> The Sec-Gen should probably be voted among the members of the SC instead of rotating.
[11:11.49] <Sailorwrath> Ah, so kind of like the Archonate.
[11:12.33] <UTA> Yes; the executive concuil would choose who the speaker is, maybe give him a limit depending on the sitation *term) and rotate.. Until the executive concuil is rotated out
[11:12.41] <UTA> so therefore we maintain a balance
[11:12.49] <UTA> stillexecutive the will of the security concuil
[11:12.58] <UTA> while still exucuting the will*
[11:13.06] <Sailorwrath> "Demos, you do the announcing." "Why does it have to be me all the time? Can't you four also speak in behalf of us?" "Well, you're the best one at speaking so… Everybody in favor of Demos speaking say Aye."
[11:13.29] <Sailorwrath> "Aye." "Aye." "Aye." "Aye."
[11:13.47] <Sailorwrath> "Then it's decided." "Damn you, Silvanos."
[11:13.57] <UTA> Exactly, now if the executives make a decsion
[11:14.20] <UTA> To choose somone else as a speaker to deal with another group. That also is flexible
[11:14.23] <UTA> get what I mean?
[11:14.29] <Sailorwrath> I see.
[11:15.03] <UTA> I know no one is threating Terras oderall role, but I'm not the best one to always deal with differing groups that may not like me.
[11:15.40] <Sailorwrath> "Ummm, Arisitides why don't you do it? I don't feel like it." "No, the Archonate already decided you'll be the one to announce the Resolution on Betrican Refugees. "
[11:15.53] <UTA> I'm just a foundation, reserve, millitary, orignizational. Economic basis .. The security concuil are the pilars
[11:16.03] <Sailorwrath> "FUCK."
[11:16.08] <UTA> the executive concuil would be suppourted by the secuirty concuil pillars
[11:16.32] <UTA> Does that anology make sense
[11:16.38] <Sailorwrath> Shouldn't the SC answer to the EC?
[11:16.46] <Sailorwrath> Not the other way?
[11:17.06] <UTA> No. Because the SC represents every member state
[11:17.09] <UTA> everyone has a seat
[11:17.19] <Sailorwrath> And shouldn't the SC also answer to the Assembly?
[11:17.37] <UTA> therefore democraticly speaking the SC (the SC is the assymbly in this case man)
[11:17.58] <UTA> says to do something the EC has to do it
[11:18.02] <Sailorwrath> Right.
[11:18.03] <UTA> phew
[11:18.13] <UTA> ghant, nal, baz, ca?
[11:18.17] <UTA> make sense
[11:18.17] <UTA> ?
[11:18.28] <Sailorwrath> The judiciary better be independent of the two.
[11:19.07] <Sailorwrath> I think so.
[11:19.08] <UTA> I think Don mentioned it would be... I'm.. a little.. concerned we're stepping away from allaince territory here though...
[11:19.39] <UTA> More toward a union YET... not a supernation..
[11:19.40] <Sailorwrath> Well, an alliance needs to have some structure so...
[11:19.57] <UTA> true
[11:20.08] <UTA> And this is the best thing to happen to give us some structure
[11:20.30] <Sailorwrath> Becoming borderline confed? x]
[11:21.02] <UTA> Well nothing wrong with that..
[11:21.16] <Sailorwrath> True again.
[11:21.19] <UTA> more EUish cept . you know.. No disaster within the Euro
[11:21.42] <UTA> the TC being the reserve... stblizes things economicly, while nations get their own currency.
[11:21.48] <Sailorwrath> Except the economic downturn.
[11:22.03] <UTA> it just provides an equal meduim of exhange for say lower end powers who need a fair price
[11:22.48] <Sailorwrath> Terran Credit. Nice.
[11:23.18] <Sailorwrath> I think with the Sivulon Trade Network, I may build up the Tacit as a reserve currency for the sake of Alpha nations trading.
[11:23.19] <UTA> or might not barter but use money ectera.. Not a unifed currency.. that would require federalization of economic policies which pretty much would breach soverignty or make people super adverse.. to it
[11:23.36] <Sailorwrath> Gold standard?
[11:23.44] <UTA> No no no gold standard bad..
[11:23.45] <Sailorwrath> Or > insert precious metal here < standard?
[11:23.57] <UTA> But thats economics..
[11:24.10] <Sailorwrath> Silver?
[11:24.39] <UTA> we're fine there.. we can have multiple reserves.. but yeah; the thing is I hope we can write a proposal for this up and present it to the SC...
[11:24.52] <UTA> our alternative and modifcations of Don's plan
[11:25.06] <UTA> Instead of having a silly powerstruggle
[11:25.53] <Sailorwrath> I think power struggles would be great for RP purposes, but in OOC it should be a no-no.
[11:26.28] <UTA> I don't want to see GESO torn apart..no one does
[11:26.34] <UTA> honestly
[11:26.43] <UTA> we worked too hard..
[11:26.53] <UTA> and I think I need to comprimiise more personally
[11:26.56] <Sailorwrath> that's fine too. x]
[11:27.03] <UTA> but I also think people need to go a little softer on me ..
[11:27.14] <UTA> softer* my thinking processes differ...
[11:27.44] <Sailorwrath> And you should get everything we do to a vote.
[11:28.03] <UTA> Ceptif we do it on our own.. under our own flag.
[11:28.16] <Estainia> The level of interest I have in this is near zero as a forewarning.
[11:28.25] <UTA> Hey est.. ghant was aking notes.. but basicly its a plan for a swiss style rotating collective exectutive.
[11:28.46] <UTA> no power sturggle needed; no drama.
[11:28.55] <Estainia> Power... Stru---What?
[11:29.09] <UTA> Reofmr. *(some people suggested it was a power sturggle :./)
[11:29.13] <UTA> reform
[11:29.14] <Estainia> What the fuck are you even talking about? He proposed a codified leadership, he didn't try to coup d'etat.
[11:29.21] <UTA> I know
[11:29.26] <UTA> im not saying that
[11:29.57] <UTA> now I'm agreeing with his codifcation.. I just tinkg it would be more flexible to have a collective rotating exutive like the swiss
[11:30.14] <Sailorwrath> Frankly I like the current system in GESO. It's just that it wasn't in pen yet.
[11:30.20] <UTA> cooridnaite; and choose somone to speak for them.
[11:30.25] <Estainia> What system?
[11:30.28] <Estainia> There is no current system.
[11:30.38] <Estainia> It's everyone gets to guess while UTA misuses alliance resources.
[11:30.47] <UTA> This mitigates that. an establishes one.
[11:30.54] <UTA> yeah
[11:30.58] <UTA> thats not fair; not one me or you
[11:31.04] <Estainia> Indeed.
[11:31.07] <Estainia> That being said.
[11:31.08] <UTA> and frankly thats why after a night of sleep
[11:31.12] <Estainia> Rotary executive? I'm cool with that.
[11:31.15] <UTA> Ghant has the noes.
[11:31.19] <UTA> swiss style
[11:31.38] <UTA> And the great part about that est..
[11:31.51] <Sailorwrath> Est, I think it's more like a council that chooses someone to stand at the podium during an announcement.
[11:31.58] <UTA> Is that it can appoint people
[11:32.06] <UTA> in thier concuil
[11:32.12] <UTA> to speak to certian groups they mgiht be familiar with
[11:32.25] <UTA> that ambassador idea that was mentioned
[11:32.26] <Sailorwrath> "Hey Kypros, it's your turn." "Wait, what?" "Yeah, Demos spoke at the last press-con, so it's your turn."
[11:33.38] <UTA> so for example I may be familier (if I was in rotation/elected ) with one group (more familer) we'd vote and talk about it and I'd be able to represent us to them. Now on the other hand if someone else is more experinced with another group they would or could be elected to speak to them
[11:33.42] <UTA> get what im saying
[11:33.48] <Sailorwrath> Though that would be stupid. That would be saying that Canada should speak for the UN bcoz it's friendly to LGBTs.
[11:34.14] <UTA> and it'd all be answering to the security concuil (the member nations) and thier will
[11:34.43] <Sailorwrath> Or France being the one speaking for the UN because it knows the situation in West Africa.
[11:35.27] <Sailorwrath> When the Secretary-General could do just as easily.
[11:35.47] <UTA> Well we're not cannada.. and this provides flexability, so when im rotated out I sit back on the SC... I also thought about including EC envoy positions a non voting envoy if neded for some tasks .. so that way founding members or others who are out (answer to the EC there for the SC) could be sent out as envoys to certian nations
[11:36.07] <UTA> like for example est; I'm good with the brony/pony nations right? .
[11:36.12] <Sailorwrath> Or Turkey bcoz Syrian refugee crisis.
[11:36.30] <Sailorwrath> "The representatives of the member-states of GESO have decided X and Y" would've sufficed from the Secretary-General instead of having someone that is friendly to Concerned Group Z.
[11:36.48] <UTA> I can speak to thm I can talk to them; so if or /when or if im even elected . I could be an envoy to them on behalf of our allaince
[11:36.49] <UTA> make sense?
[11:36.52] <Sailorwrath> It would make us look like a "Yes" organization.
[11:36.54] <UTA> its an example
[11:37.51] <UTA> hWe could be freindly with all the groups, because people could deal with those they like
[11:37.56] <UTA> or can get on with
[11:38.04] <UTA> make sense?
[11:38.13] <Sailorwrath> Again, it would make us look like a "Yes" organization.
[11:38.17] <UTA> how? much more democ
[11:38.25] <UTA> How?*
[11:38.34] <UTA> the EC would deliberate on who...
[11:39.16] <UTA> the SC would tell the EC what to do .. and if its orignized in this manner the EC would have maijor flexabilty
[11:39.33] <Sailorwrath> A more effective way would be on discussing how to approach the problem instead of sending an envoy that can do as he sees fit to resolve the issue.
[11:39.50] <UTA> That woul be done before the envoy is sent
[11:39.59] <UTA> would*
[11:40.11] <UTA> remember collective executives general discuss it..
[11:40.17] <UTA> before planning any action
[11:42.32] <Sailorwrath> For example, send a person of Group A to appeal to Group A?
[11:42.51] <UTA> So if anyone can talk to don about this and write something up... I mean..
[11:42.52] <UTA> hrm
[11:43.00] <Sailorwrath> Or is it member of Group A resolves with member of B?
[11:43.22] <UTA> mix of both after internal discussion
[11:57.54] <UTA> Well I think we're all ok with this ?
[12:28.22] <UTA> ＋https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFhY6IaUJ40，
[12:28.38] <UTA> Less striking..
[12:28.49] <UTA> more how he stood up.. while disabled.
[12:29.09] <UTA> "Not impossible"
[12:29.33] <UTA> not at war either more or less just.. yeah
[12:31.03] <UTA> I hope that helped a bit
[12:35.39] <UTA> Don.
[12:35.56] <UTA> Ghant is writing up the notes for the proposal of a comprimise..
[12:36.04] <TheDon> No thanks.
[12:36.08] <UTA> Look we where both dicks, we let egos get in the way
[12:36.12] <TheDon> I'm not being in this group with someone who behaves like a child.
[12:36.12] <UTA> I'm sorry
[12:36.15] <TheDon> No, I wasn't a dick.
[12:36.19] <TheDon> And you acted like a 5 year old.
[12:36.23] <UTA> Yes I did.
[12:36.29] <UTA> I apolgize for that behaviour
[12:36.33] <TheDon> I ignored /all/ of what my friends said about you, and now, I see /exactly/ what they meant.
[12:36.37] <UTA> once I got a good niights rest...
[12:36.47] <UTA> I figured it out..
[12:37.25] <UTA> But I .. Look I'll be blunt; pushing so hard just made me snap ok? I needed time to think
[12:37.30] <UTA> I needed time to sleep
[12:37.38] <UTA> and now that I had that time I posted my answer..
[12:37.46] <TheDon> Bro.
[12:37.47] <UTA> and came up with some way.. to make your plan work.
[12:37.50] <TheDon> I asked you 2 simple questions.
[12:37.57] <TheDon> And you just straight out refused and went off a deep end.
[12:38.19] <Estainia> And now this is going to repeat, again.
[12:38.27] <UTA> yes.. I answered them in the thread. Lets put that aside. You know I was awake for a while, you knew I wanted time to
[12:38.35] <UTA> think and go to bed not geting riled up
[12:38.39] <UTA> Andi m sorry for doing so
[12:38.43] <UTA> it was unbecoming
[12:39.02] <UTA> But so was coming after me... We need to look foward not back..
[12:39.10] <UTA> I think we're all at fault here
[12:39.16] <UTA> not just me, or you or est..
[12:39.21] <UTA> we all fucked up...
[12:39.42] <UTA> We wheren't I wasn't thining about the people or the allaince or how you felt
[12:39.45] <UTA> I fucked up
[12:39.46] <TheDon> I'm not repeating last night.
[12:39.58] <TheDon> I've said what I said, you behaved how you behaved, and I'm leaving.
[12:40.26] <UTA> ＋http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=26554852#p26554852，
[12:40.41] <UTA> thats my answer to your questions
[12:40.49] <UTA> it took me time to think
[12:41.04] <UTA> I'm not a soilder... I don't want you to leave...
[12:41.18] <TheDon> What does " I'm not a soilder" even mean
[12:41.19] <UTA> at least hear what all of us have to say before you do consier it.
[12:41.30] <UTA> It felt.. like you where a DI...
[12:41.40] <TheDon> Drill Instructor?
[12:41.42] <TheDon> No, I wasn't.
[12:41.48] <UTA> I just snapped and reverted.. It felt like it ok?
[12:41.51] <UTA> Al im saying
[12:42.10] <TheDon> Just like you whining about how life sucks to an OAF veteran was amusing.
[12:42.12] <UTA> now ghant has notes on the idea... I think and I think most people would think it will work
[12:42.14] <UTA> or its a start.
[12:42.21] <UTA> Im sorry
[12:42.24] <TheDon> Look, you wanna do that, that's your perogative.
[12:42.28] <TheDon> But I am out.
[12:42.32] <Estainia> Apologising does not make things OK after supreme dickery comrade.
[12:42.33] <TheDon> Good luck and goodbye.
[12:42.49] <Estainia> I hereby tender my resignation.
[12:43.02] <@Natornic_Cultures> ._.
[12:43.17] <UTA> -looks at ghant, then looks at NC-
[12:43.24] <@Natornic_Cultures> now what?
[12:43.32] <UTA> This.
[12:43.42] <@Natornic_Cultures> yea, I know
[12:43.44] <UTA> What the hell..
[12:43.58] <UTA> Why
[12:44.00] <Ghant> I hereby tender my resignation, effective immediately. It's been an honor, gentlemen, but I blow with the wind.
[12:44.25] <@Natornic_Cultures> ...
[12:44.28] <@Natornic_Cultures> well
[12:44.29] <UTA> What did..
[12:44.34] <UTA> NC please don't leave
[12:44.37] <UTA> please..
[12:44.41] <UTA> I beg you..
[12:44.49] <UTA> alt hat work all that planning to put together something..
[12:44.55] <UTA> and they just left
[12:45.24] <@Natornic_Cultures> I doubt there's a chance to revive the GESO
[12:45.30] <@Natornic_Cultures> seeing as people are resigning
[12:45.36] <UTA> Not everyone is
[12:45.37] <UTA> justthem
[12:45.42] <UTA> we have a chance
[12:45.47] <UTA> its not impossible
[12:45.48] <@Natornic_Cultures> no
[12:45.51] <@Natornic_Cultures> we don't
[12:45.56] <UTA> yes we do NC..
[12:45.58] <UTA> trut me..
[12:45.59] <UTA> please
[12:46.00] <@Natornic_Cultures> I'm sorry, friend
[12:46.22] <@Natornic_Cultures> It's been fun, but there's no denying it any longer that the GESO is dying
[12:46.27] <UTA> It is not
[12:47.10] <@Natornic_Cultures> I could carry on the legacy in my FT, but as far as I see it, we've pretty much set in motion events which cannot be undone
[12:47.18] <@Nalydya> Shall I fetch Fegelein, Herr Führer?

[The Fedral Union]

We will rebuild, stronger, larger, more powerful than before. We have the will and we have the technology

[Dainus]

The conflict was not my reforms, it was because I asked UTA questions and he refused to answer and then argument. I advise you get with Belos for a full log that isn't edited to make one side look better.

The questions you asked were in relation to the proposal you made, so I do think it was a fair summation. No one had an issue with the actual content of what you were saying. It is up to GESO to determine GESO's leadership and it's public face. However, just because UTA did not want to answer in the way you wanted at a particular time to answer your questions doesn't mean much. If however he consistently fobbed off or ignored your questions then I would have said it was fine (Something similiar happened to me recently with something totally unrelated to NS).

I would think that unless there is a strong reason to believe other wise when someone doesn't want to answer a question it usually means that they are not up to it for any number of reasons and I would think that you would treat people with similiar respect to that I am showing you. It didn't help the situation, however, that you did face UTA aggressively and insistently. The same kind of response you just gave to me just then. Sure, UTA has his failings however those do not excuse or mitigate your own failings in your dealing with him.

[The Fedral Union]

Thank you

[The Fedral Union]

As we need to move on I request that those who have left, do not post in this thread any more.. As OP... I am declaring it off limits... .We need to heal we need to focus on writing and fun.

[Minroz]

Nihao. I'm still here. No where else FT to go anyway.

[The Fedral Union]

(redacted)

Hey neornith attempted to get me to leave by reading this post and the Internet log.
viewtopic.php?p=26568867#p26568867
You should be happy that i will still stay, cos none of that shiz happened to me so it's not my problem. Anyway nice organisation, hopefully you can teach me FT.


One of our new members.... So Neorith is deciding to undermine us by dredging up crap he shouldn't?

[Star Trek America]

My reasons for withdrawing from GESO are related to the fact I have no time to dedicate to it as an organization owing to my professional life. I have nothing against UTA or anyone else in this group, Estainia just had a good set of words I quoted for use. As I said when I bid my adieus, y'all have fun and continue to be awesome I just don't have the time to be awesome with you.

[The Fedral Union]

This is just a transnational phase.. new members coming in; new charter or a charter rewrite.. We're fine. Lets all keep calm but I will say this publicly.. Neorith Leave me and GESO alone... stop trying to poach people.