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Invasion of South Rothinzil [OOC]

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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:03 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:The Gulf Empire, I have a couple of problems with your latest post. For starters, you teleported your counter attack, so that they could "instantly" intercept/counter the attack. Things like jets and helicopters take time to scramble, as it takes a little time for the alert to go out, crews to assemble, travel time for the aircraft, and then finally arriving in the AO and commencing the attack. You can use things already in the AO instantly, but if it wasn't there then it's going to take a post or two to arrive and actually do anything.

Secondly, if your going to claim that your weapons are better then anyone's, you had best back that up with links to some hard facts as to why this is. At least do a better job trying to explain, as "just cause I said so" really isn't a good reason.

Thirdly, the last section of your post about the air attack is just... wrong on a couple of different levels. For starters, Stealth aircraft (especially older ones) are not 100% undetectable. They can be detected by enemy positions, and to dictate that they were not by enemy forces is godmodding on your part. You then pretty much dictated that "all" targets in the AO were attacked and hit with your attack, which is again godmodding on your part. You lastly then "activated their super-sonic engines and speed back to their base..." and again denied your enemy a chance to respond to your attack. Which, yet again, is pretty GM on your part.

Nothing personal, just some constructive feedback.


I concur. Stealth fighters are not entirely undetectable. IRIST, LADAR, amongst other techniques, including passive radar frequencies of some sorts could pick them up. I have also looked into the capabilities of Pantsyr S-1s in addition to C-400s, they too have capabilities to intercept stealth fighters to an extent.

They may be "stealth" on paper, however there are several loopholes to get towards them.

Oh, for a last note, I am about to post into the in-game thread soon to respond to Paddy's as well as Macedonia's attacks.

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Postby The Gulf Empire » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:27 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:The Gulf Empire, I have a couple of problems with your latest post. For starters, you teleported your counter attack, so that they could "instantly" intercept/counter the attack. Things like jets and helicopters take time to scramble, as it takes a little time for the alert to go out, crews to assemble, travel time for the aircraft, and then finally arriving in the AO and commencing the attack. You can use things already in the AO instantly, but if it wasn't there then it's going to take a post or two to arrive and actually do anything.

Secondly, if your going to claim that your weapons are better then anyone's, you had best back that up with links to some hard facts as to why this is. At least do a better job trying to explain, as "just cause I said so" really isn't a good reason.

Thirdly, the last section of your post about the air attack is just... wrong on a couple of different levels. For starters, Stealth aircraft (especially older ones) are not 100% undetectable. They can be detected by enemy positions, and to dictate that they were not by enemy forces is godmodding on your part. You then pretty much dictated that "all" targets in the AO were attacked and hit with your attack, which is again godmodding on your part. You lastly then "activated their super-sonic engines and speed back to their base..." and again denied your enemy a chance to respond to your attack. Which, yet again, is pretty GM on your part.

Nothing personal, just some constructive feedback.

1. I didn't teleport my counter-attack. My jets are already in the air above the airforce base providing the "safety umbrella" for invading troops. They simply changed formation to counter the approaching SR jets.
2. I didn't say the targets were hit. I just said that my bombers released the bombs. SR will RP the damage results. And the super-sonic engines are not godmoddish either, I still have to pass through SR's defenses again. I posted a while back about my jets arriving so its evident they approached under stealth. I am waiting for SR to respond if he saw my jets, and how he fired. I will then post the casualities based on his post.

Feedback appreciated though
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:34 pm

Actualy he is right. Gulf you have specialy designed anti stealth radars in the air and on the ground. You have the imperial airforce AWACS planes in the air With their LADAR sistems that are specificly designed to counter stealth as they work on the principle of a airspace fulled with lasers that create an impresion ones it is penetrated. If there is noting on radar then they know it is a stealth plane. Not to mention the ground based low freqfency radar that is part of the air defence network of S.R. Next there is a force of planes in the air at any given time. Comprised of the Imperial and S.R airforce to say the least. When a single one of those planes is shot down the imperial ATC controlers will know something is wrong and will move with force to quash it.
And last but not least. A very large bomber like the B2 can not go super sonic due to the fact that its stealt will be blow. The engines use a special air colling of the exaust before it is realised. Also the flying wing design will not allow that.

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Postby Firmador » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:47 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:I concur. Stealth fighters are not entirely undetectable. IRIST, LADAR, amongst other techniques, including passive radar frequencies of some sorts could pick them up. I have also looked into the capabilities of Pantsyr S-1s in addition to C-400s, they too have capabilities to intercept stealth fighters to an extent.

They may be "stealth" on paper, however there are several loopholes to get towards them.

Oh, for a last note, I am about to post into the in-game thread soon to respond to Paddy's as well as Macedonia's attacks.


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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:51 pm

Just Red Star union,Gulf,al assad are left. I do not know about the invasion in al assad and what will happen.
The red star union started commiting autrosities so i belive that i will call for a peace conference after the samit with the leaders of my coalition.
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Postby Allanea » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:00 pm

I believe Souriya Al-Assad is now busy deflecting POF's attack and is no longer actively invading SR, is this a mistaken understanding of his posts?
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:05 pm

Allanea wrote:I believe Souriya Al-Assad is now busy deflecting POF's attack and is no longer actively invading SR, is this a mistaken understanding of his posts?


His navy is still present and engaging imperial fighters.
Also alanea there is an invitation to have a sumit betwen the defenders in my capital. Can you please respond to that?
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:13 pm

Allanea wrote:I believe Souriya Al-Assad is now busy deflecting POF's attack and is no longer actively invading SR, is this a mistaken understanding of his posts?


We have not been able to land in South Rothanzil for the time being.

Our flotilla is still at sea to join forces with the Gulf fleet, whilst our Shenyang fighters are engaging the Macedonian F-44s in the air.

Yes, we are also facing the POF-ite invasion at home.

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Postby Allanea » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:34 pm

Okay. Now say I wanted to fight you a bit, should I do it in this thread or in one of the other threads?
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:38 pm

Allanea wrote:Okay. Now say I wanted to fight you a bit, should I do it in this thread or in one of the other threads?


Too big for my own taste if the suggestion is an all out conflict.

If its a limited war, I would be fine with:

- Fighting my flotilla in this thread
- Invading me in a limited manner in the Qutbist thread
- Or remain on the sidelines whilst arming the insurgents that are fighting against us, also in the Qutbist thread

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Postby Primordial Luxa » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:44 pm

Greetings
this conflict seems like a lot of fun.
My only question is that this seem fairly well developed. Is it too late from a new party to join?
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:48 pm

Primordial Luxa wrote:Greetings
this conflict seems like a lot of fun.
My only question is that this seem fairly well developed. Is it too late from a new party to join?


I personally do not have a problem with that, so long as FanT as well as PMT weapons such as Ace Combat Stongehenge & Excalibur are not utilised into the thread.

(We have all been utilising modern-era technologies throughout this role play)
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Postby Allanea » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:17 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Allanea wrote:Okay. Now say I wanted to fight you a bit, should I do it in this thread or in one of the other threads?


Too big for my own taste if the suggestion is an all out conflict.

If its a limited war, I would be fine with:

- Fighting my flotilla in this thread
- Invading me in a limited manner in the Qutbist thread
- Or remain on the sidelines whilst arming the insurgents that are fighting against us, also in the Qutbist thread


I feel that:

OOC it seems a bit unfair for me to invade your country full-force.

ICly it doesn't seem (I apologize) Souryia Al-Assad is important enough for Allanea to dedicate a truly giant force to, especially when neither side in your civil war seem to be very good people to us IC. So I'm going with something between 2 and 3.
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:21 pm

Allanea wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Too big for my own taste if the suggestion is an all out conflict.

If its a limited war, I would be fine with:

- Fighting my flotilla in this thread
- Invading me in a limited manner in the Qutbist thread
- Or remain on the sidelines whilst arming the insurgents that are fighting against us, also in the Qutbist thread


I feel that:

OOC it seems a bit unfair for me to invade your country full-force.

ICly it doesn't seem (I apologize) Souryia Al-Assad is important enough for Allanea to dedicate a truly giant force to, especially when neither side in your civil war seem to be very good people to us IC. So I'm going with something between 2 and 3.


In Character my nation is a benevolent government with a representative democracy alongside a Green Book-inspired direct democracy.

I have also based my nation off what I have learnt about the Syrian situation thanks to alternative media sources. | Thus the truly vile side are the insurgents, or, as the soldiers love to call them in character, 'rats' (multiplied the frequency of times the Libyans used the term for the NTC forces by much more often). :p

I also am fine with either options 2 or 3.
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Postby Allanea » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:34 pm

Bear in mind though that my nation is interventionist, anti-communist militant libertarians.
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:40 pm

Allanea wrote:Bear in mind though that my nation is interventionist, anti-communist militant libertarians.


Noted.

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Postby Asigna » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:00 am

Note that i am also being invaded despite of my current political alignment. I ill give POF an ultimatum of 2 days to withdraw anyway.

Note: If you want to see my political ideology...read this.
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Postby The Red Star Union » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:53 am

Does anyone have problems with the war crimes I am commiting? And Im talking OOCly.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:16 am

OOC, you can do whatever SR permits you to do with his people, and I (and SR) will respond IC.

ICly, my people don't know of it yet. If we did we'd be outraged.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:23 am

Asigna wrote:Note that i am also being invaded despite of my current political alignment. I ill give POF an ultimatum of 2 days to withdraw anyway.

Note: If you want to see my political ideology...read this.


Actualy i do not even like your political aligment at all. Even in your factbook you write about genocide of the chinese population. And i am very much against it.
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Postby Asigna » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:31 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Asigna wrote:Note that i am also being invaded despite of my current political alignment. I ill give POF an ultimatum of 2 days to withdraw anyway.

Note: If you want to see my political ideology...read this.


Actualy i do not even like your political aligment at all. Even in your factbook you write about genocide of the chinese population. And i am very much against it.


It has been resolved. There is no "genocide' on the Chinese population. Just persecution though the ideology does not support this.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:38 am

And asigna you can not have peace with all the nations as you need to sign a peace treaty with all the nations taking part. Until then the state of war continues. If you made peace using a telegram sistem we do not know about it and unfortunatly for you it bringes no importance to the other goverments. If the heads of goverments of the coalition agree i will call on your leaders for a peace conference in Kristijanopolis.
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Postby Asigna » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:40 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:And asigna you can not have peace with all the nations as you need to sign a peace treaty with all the nations taking part. Until then the state of war continues. If you made peace using a telegram sistem we do not know about it and unfortunatly for you it bringes no importance to the other goverments. If the heads of goverments of the coalition agree i will call on your leaders for a peace conference in Kristijanopolis.


All other nations do not have the same logic as you and they will see no reason why you continue to desire us being enemies. I will attend the conference anyway but other nations would have already seen your character.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:47 am

Asigna wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:And asigna you can not have peace with all the nations as you need to sign a peace treaty with all the nations taking part. Until then the state of war continues. If you made peace using a telegram sistem we do not know about it and unfortunatly for you it bringes no importance to the other goverments. If the heads of goverments of the coalition agree i will call on your leaders for a peace conference in Kristijanopolis.


All other nations do not have the same logic as you and they will see no reason why you continue to desire us being enemies. I will attend the conference anyway but other nations would have already seen your character.


Actualy i do not care about the insignificant territory or war against an inactive combatant. But i want a peace accord in place not a cease fire. Especialy becase there were war crimes from you and NSP. The human shield is a war crime btw. When the peace treaty is signed you are free. And btw as there would be reparations towards S.R can you please state the ammount you have paid to S.R here?
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Postby Asigna » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:50 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Asigna wrote:
All other nations do not have the same logic as you and they will see no reason why you continue to desire us being enemies. I will attend the conference anyway but other nations would have already seen your character.


Actualy i do not care about the insignificant territory or war against an inactive combatant. But i want a peace accord in place not a cease fire. Especialy becase there were war crimes from you and NSP. The human shield is a war crime btw. When the peace treaty is signed you are free. And btw as there would be reparations towards S.R can you please state the ammount you have paid to S.R here?


I do not understand the logic of war. Why the death of a few...then the attacker declared human shield...equals..war crimes..a death of thousand indiscriminately targeted by missiles...military victory..I will remain silent about this. You people can babble all you want but we all know this is not right.
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